[00:00] <arraybolt3[m]> hemm333: Try #security.
[00:23] <fresh2kill> Hello
[00:25] <hans_> is there an #insecurity channel?
[00:25] <fresh2kill> I saw that there is a #ubuntu-security chnanel
[00:26] <arraybolt3[m]> hans_: Try /join #insecurity and you'll find out. If you join it and it's got only you in there and was created the moment you joined, then no.
[00:26] <kostkon> !alis
[00:28] <strk> I ended up using gparted to shrink my old unique partition
[00:28] <strk> when done I'll copy my data over
[00:34] <fresh2kill> .
[00:39] <jhutchins> Perhaps they just haven't published the latest version.
[00:39] <jhutchins> ... of minimal.
[00:40] <jhutchins> arraybolt3[m]: ^
[00:42] <arraybolt3[m]> jhutchins: Would be nice, it seems like it would help a lot of people, as I've seen more than one person say they wished the mini.iso still exists. But sadly, from the link that Ubottu gave, "Canonical and the Ubuntu project never officially supported the mini.iso ; it was produced as a by-product of building the debian-installer. As the Ubuntu Server image now uses subiquity, the build process that built mini.iso is no longer used, thus
[00:42] <arraybolt3[m]> why this installation media is now old. "
[00:46] <jhutchins> I suppose you could install with the old media (probably smaller anyway), then upgrade.
[01:38] <ahrifox950> Has anyone found a workaround for the lack of systemctl in WSL?
[01:56] <porton> `rm -rf` is stalled to define a directory on HDD with a big number of files. Do I have any choice except to reformat the partition?
[01:56] <porton> define -> delete
[01:57] <porton> Which FS has efficient delete?
[02:27] <BadAtom> porton: if the shell is choking on the number of files, you may need to use xargs
[02:33] <ravage> find with exec is usually a good workaround
[02:38] <jhutchins> I suspect porton simply needs to walk away and come back later.
[02:38] <jhutchins> THIS is why terabyte drives are a bad idea.
[02:39] <wez> What's wrong with terabyte drives?
[02:39] <jhutchins> Ahnberg: Yes, install linux as a full dual-boot OS, or as a VM.
[02:39] <jhutchins> wez: They hold huge numbers of files and people don't organize them in any way.
[02:39] <arraybolt3[m]> wez: You mean the part where they show up as 950-some-odd gigabytes?
[02:40] <jhutchins> wez: They can take a very long time to format, or to erase, or to encrypt.
[02:40] <arraybolt3[m]> Oh, sorry, I missed the conversation, ignore me.
[02:40] <jhutchins> They are a single point of failure that results in massive data loss.
[02:41] <arraybolt3[m]> I have 12 terabytes of spinning rust sitting on my desk right now. 🙂
[02:41] <jhutchins> arraybolt3[m]: How long would it take to zero them?
[02:41] <jhutchins> (Write zeros to all spaces.)
[02:42] <arraybolt3[m]> I ran a full badblocks test on it when I first got it, it took days.
[02:43] <arraybolt3[m]> But so far it works fantastic. Holds my backups and a copious collection oflinux distro installers.
[02:44] <arraybolt3[m]> I do keep it pretty well organized, though, maybe that' why I've never had a problem with it.
[02:46] <jhutchins> I just dealt with recovery and distribution of 98GB.  I had to babysit it for hours, then let the copies run for hours.  Multiply that by 200 for what's in MY storage server.
[02:47] <jhutchins> Funny thing, 98 GB overran a 128G drive, but ended up only using 96 GB on the 512.
[02:48] <arraybolt3[m]> LOL I know the babysit for hours problem. I had a 250 GB HDD from a Windows 7 laptop start to die, so I dd'd it into an image file on my 12 TB drive... over USB 2.0, 'cause I didn't have the presence of mind to take the dying HDD out of the laptop and plug it into a USB 3 port on my desktop with an adapter I had. I have a cat who loves to jump on stuff, and the 12 TB drive was in a precarious position at the time, so I just sat there and
[02:48] <arraybolt3[m]> watched it for what felt like forever.
[02:49] <jhutchins> I do seem to remember some schemes to break up large collections of files that exceeded the bash command buffer.
[02:49] <arraybolt3[m]> (I booted the laptop from a live USB if you're wondering how on earth I got dd on Windows 7.)
[02:50] <jhutchins> I used rsync, which was good since I had to restart several times.
[02:52] <arraybolt3[m]> jhutchins: Sounds like you're a bit of a data hoarder?
[03:42] <wez> jhutchins: Only if you use one filesystem for the entire drive.
[03:43] <wez> You split it into logical volumes
[03:43] <wez> jhutchins: Or use a proper FS that handles that type of stuff like ZFS
[04:14] <route-bee> hey people
[04:14] <arraybolt3[m]> Hey.
[04:15] <route-bee> I am trying to connect a printer to my ubuntu box via a direct cable connection
[04:16] <route-bee> if i set eth0 as a static 192.168.100.101
[04:16] <route-bee> and set the printer as static on the same subnet
[04:16] <route-bee> it should work shouldnt it
[04:17] <route-bee> i would use the hotel wifi router but then everyone on the guest network could print to it
[04:20] <enigma9o7[m]> sure they could
[04:20] <enigma9o7[m]> you have enough trouble yourself printing to it
[04:20] <enigma9o7[m]> you think random hotel guests gunna figure it out?
[04:20] <route-bee> haha
[04:20] <route-bee> its simple to print on the wifi
[04:21] <BadAtom> let one of the random hotel guests figure it out, and tell you how they did it
[04:21] <route-bee> you are missing the point
[04:21] <route-bee> if i connect it to the wifi it is simple as
[04:21] <route-bee> it appears in network places
[04:22] <route-bee> its just connecting it directly to my pc with a network cable is a nightmare
[04:23] <BadAtom> nothing shows up when you try to add printer, or it shows up but doesn't connect?
[04:24] <route-bee> it shows up but doesnt connect
[04:27] <tripleb> OK I have a pdf in the web browser and oc I can save it. I want to have a program that will allow me to search on text. 20.04 --Please Recommend one. (Nothing overbearing like Libre-Office, please)
[04:33] <jaco> hi
[04:34] <route-bee> hello
[04:34] <arraybolt3[m]> tripleb: Does Evince not work? If so, maybe try Okular (though that will pull a bunch of KDE dependencies into your system).
[04:35] <luna> hey
[05:04] <route-bee> fixed it!
[06:55] <scortal1> hi
[06:55] <scortal1> is ubuntu suitable for commercial services
[06:55] <scortal1> ?
[06:57] <BadAtom>  canonical certainly thinks so, since it's running their commercial services
[07:11] <scortal1> BadAtom
[07:11] <scortal1> is XML suitable
[07:13] <scortal1> hi Terayon
[09:32] <arkanoid> I've just upgraded from 20.04 to 22.04, everything works nicely, but firefox went from apt to snap and now I've lost all saved passwords, bookmarks and stuff. Do you know if it's possible to import those?
[09:33] <arkanoid> on first run of snap version, the software asked me if I wanted to import stuff, but then it failed to find anything
[09:34] <arraybolt3[m]> arkanoid: Oy. Can you open your file manager, enable "Show hidden files", and see if a hidden Firefox folder exists in your home directory?
[09:34] <arkanoid> it's there. I have .mozilla/firefox
[09:34] <Bugies> arkanoid, run "firefox --ProfileManager" and select profile
[09:35] <gomboligo> arraybolt3[m]: installer crashes because "/target" is busy, presumably because the live session made a swapfile there before installing
[09:35] <gomboligo> arraybolt3[m]: what is the solution?
[09:35] <arraybolt3[m]> gomboligo: How did you install Ubuntu? Erase disk?
[09:36] <gomboligo> arraybolt3[m]: yeah
[09:36] <arkanoid> Bugies: by doing that, I can create/delete new profiles, not importing new one
[09:36] <arraybolt3[m]> gomboligo: That's odd. Can you afford to erase everything on the disk? I assume you've done so already.
[09:36] <arkanoid> maybe files are in $HOME/snap/firefox/common/.mozilla/firefox
[09:36] <arkanoid> ?
[09:36] <thyriaen> I want to run gtimelog but when starting it nothing happens and the cli gives "GSettings schema for org.gtimelog is missing" as an Error message
[09:37] <gomboligo> arraybolt3[m]: probably, but the installer crashes
[09:37] <vebdev> Hey folks. I am using Ubuntu 20.04 and I am trying to bluetooth connect my earphones and my keyboard simultaneously. But I can't connect them together. Only one at a time. I am using Blueman because without that my OnePlus Buds Z don't work as expected. https://askubuntu.com/questions/1354909/cant-connect-two-bluetooth-devices-at-the-same-time this answer doesn't work for me either.
[09:37] <vebdev>  Can you help?
[09:38] <arraybolt3[m]> gomboligo: OK. Open a terminal with Ctrl+Alt+T.
[09:38] <gomboligo> arraybolt3[m]: did so
[09:38] <arraybolt3[m]> gomboligo: Now type "lsblk | nc termbin.com 9999" and send the link it spits out.
[09:39] <gomboligo> arraybolt3[m]: well the system doesn't have internet, but it says so in /var/log/syslog
[09:40] <arraybolt3[m]> OK. Then just do "lsblk" and figure out which drive is your main hard drive.
[09:40] <tomreyn> arkanoid: i think you should be able to just copy them there. make sure you stop all running copies of firefox first, though.
[09:40] <arraybolt3[m]> gomboligo: You'll see an ID code that looks something like "sda" or "nvme0n1" in the same row as your main drive, make a note of that code.
[09:41] <gomboligo> arraybolt3[m]: sorry, I have to do something for a little time, I'll be back
[09:41] <arraybolt3[m]> No problem.
[09:45] <Bugies> arkanoid, old profiles should be in  /home/$USER/.mozilla/firefox/
[09:46] <tomreyn> arkanoid: normally, the firefox snap pakcage should have migrated your existing firefox profile to the snap location on launch. it's unclear why this did not take place in your case.
[09:51] <tomreyn> arkanoid: the bottom post at https://askubuntu.com/a/1369903 shows what's printed to a terminal where the firefox snap is started from on first launch. maybe yuo had no default profile?
[09:52] <arkanoid> tomreyn: according to $HOME/.mozilla/firefox/profiles.ini, I have default profile
[09:53] <tomreyn> arkanoid: is this profile stored in a directory whose name ends in ".default" ?
[09:54] <arkanoid> and "snap run firefox" doesn't print those lines
[09:55] <arkanoid> tomreyn: I confirm the existence of a profile folder that ends with ".default" in $HOME/.mozilla/firefox/
[09:56] <tomreyn> arkanoid: hmm, well, maybe you could file a bug report against the firefox snap.
[10:00] <arkanoid> by manually moving the .mozilla folder it works
[10:00] <strk>  pulseaudio-module-jack : Depends: pulseaudio (= 1:15.99.1+dfsg1-1ubuntu1)
[10:00] <strk> E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
[10:00] <arkanoid> so yeah, I guess it's a bug in the snap package
[10:00] <strk> but `dpkg -l | grep -v ^ii` does not show any problem
[10:02] <tomreyn> strk: did you run    sudo apt update    before trying to install?
[10:02] <tomreyn> strk: which ubuntu version are you running?
[10:03] <strk> tomreyn: I did run `apt update` and I'm using pop-os 22.04 (jammy)
[10:03] <strk> Description:    Pop!_OS 22.04 LTS
[10:03] <Maik> strk: Pop OS isn't supported here
[10:03] <tomreyn> arkanoid: i'm glad the workaround works at least.
[10:03] <arkanoid> tomreyn: thanks for helping me out
[10:04] <tomreyn> you're welcome arkanoid
[10:04] <Maik> !popos | strk
[10:07] <vebdev> Does anyone know anything about connecting multiple bluetooth devices simultaneously in Ubuntu 20.04? Would really appreciate the help.
[10:07] <strk> funny that "popos" fact does not include PopOS in the examples section ... but thanks
[10:08] <tomreyn> strk: system76 support (incl. limited pop os support, from what i can tell) is at https://support.system76.com/
[10:11] <Maik> strk: yeah well, reading the channel topic is helpfull sometimes ;)
[10:11] <Maik> "Official Ubuntu Support Channel | IRC Guidelines: https://ubottu.com/y/gl | #ubuntu supports Ubuntu and official flavors; versions 18.04, 20.04, 21.10, 22.04 | Unofficial derivatives: use your distro's support channel, not here. |"
[10:12] <arraybolt3[m]> Maik: Fun fact, on the system I'm using right now, I can't even see the channel topic notice about unofficial derivatives unless I go out of my way to click it.
[10:12] <arraybolt3[m]> Maik: Oh, and every chat client I've used intentionally makes the channel topic less noticeable, and it works. Works well on me, anyway.
[10:16] <vebdev> exit
[10:21] <Maik> arraybolt3[m]: well, users see the channel topic upon entering the room. But i'll leave it at that and is offtopic here anyway.
[10:33] <transhumanist> Hi! Straight forward question this time. I installed netplan.io in my build root but it does not appear to have a root_fs/etc/netplan/00-install-config.yaml in its path. Is this not an auto installed config file? And I would be safe to just generate my own?
[10:36] <tomreyn> transhumanist: that should be fine. i think on ubuntu server it's initially created by cloud-init.
[10:37] <tomreyn> note there is also #netplan
[10:38] <transhumanist> ah thanks for the infor
[10:38] <transhumanist> info*
[11:11] <UbuntuAutist> Hi. I have a problem where my front USB ports make my WiFi adapter sometimes crack. When the plug the adapter in the rear USB ports directly connected to the motherboard, it works fine. Has anyone else ever experienced something like this?
[11:12] <UbuntuAutist> I mean sometimes make my WiFi adapter crash, not crack.
[11:14] <murmel> UbuntuAutist: is it crashing while in the front usb?
[11:14] <murmel> if yes, maybe the cable to those frontusb is not the best anymore
[11:14] <UbuntuAutist> murmel sometimes. And as soon as i put it in the rear USB ports which are directly on my motherboard, its fine.
[11:14] <UbuntuAutist> murmel! Yes, that's what I thought. I just wanted to rule out it being Ubuntu!
[11:14] <murmel> UbuntuAutist: sounds to me, that's a cable issue then.
[11:15] <murmel> UbuntuAutist: definitely not, as it's just a usb port as any other
[11:15] <UbuntuAutist> I was thinking perhaps there is a electricity suppy to the ports issue.
[11:15] <UbuntuAutist> Right, I see.
[11:15] <murmel> UbuntuAutist: could be, but that should still be a cable issue
[11:15] <jadenlian> if i change /etc owner to root  just so it requires a passwd    does it recreate any issues?
[11:15] <UbuntuAutist> My phone also sometimes won't charge from the front USB ports. Its a new phone with a beefy battery
[11:15] <murmel> as it's literally just splitting 1 usb port to 2
[11:16] <murmel> jadenlian: are you talking about /etc as the "folder" or the whole directory?
[11:16] <murmel> UbuntuAutist: sounds like that's an issue with your board then
[11:16] <murmel> are they maybe only usb2?
[11:16] <UbuntuAutist> jadenlian, apps that don't run as root who's settings are located in subfolders of /etc/ will probably fail.
[11:17] <jadenlian> murmel: ok
[11:17] <UbuntuAutist> murmel they are USB3, and funny enough, I had this same problem with my old computer.
[11:17] <jadenlian> ubuntuautist ok
[11:17] <UbuntuAutist> Thanks for your help murmel! :)
[11:18] <jadenlian> murmel: i thought it was just the folder
[11:18] <murmel> jadenlian: there are config files under /etc which do matter to non root programs
[11:18] <UbuntuAutist> jadenlian /etc/ is where all the programs settings are kept that are not user specific I believe.
[11:18] <jadenlian> murmel: i see
[11:18] <murmel> so /etc itself is owned by root, but below that there are config files which don't need to be under the owner of root
[11:19] <murmel> UbuntuAutist: you are correct sir
[11:19] <UbuntuAutist> Well, bye everyone! :)
[11:19] <jadenlian> ubuntuautist: yes
[11:20] <jadenlian> so i theres most likely issues with some program if i change the owner to root
[11:20] <jadenlian> so no way to put a passwd there  just trying things
[11:21] <ravage> jadenlian, dont mess with permissions if you dont have to. especially with default system folders
[11:21] <murmel> jadenlian: yes if you want to "hide" something you can change the permissions of individual files
[11:22] <murmel> there are quite a lot of people who have their samba password for example
[11:22] <jadenlian> murmel: ok
[11:23] <jadenlian> murmel: like i said just trying things but i dont really have to
[11:23] <murmel> so for example chmod 500 /file would change it that the owner can read write, but nobody else
[11:23] <murmel> jadenlian: hopefully you will be careful :) it's easy to break stuf
[11:23] <ravage> and hopefully you have a backup so we dont have to fix your experiments here later ;)
[11:24] <jadenlian> murmel: jajaj i hope so too cause im all over
[11:25] <jadenlian> ravage: oh yeah just last night i started backing everything  cause its getting serious
[11:26] <scortal1> ubuntu..
[11:27] <murmel> scortal1: linux..
[11:32] <Maik> scortal1: seriously... again? what part of stopping random words in support channel you don't understand?
[11:34] <murmel> ahh it's that guy :(
[11:34] <tomreyn> let's get back on topic
[11:42] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[12:02] <raub> Does anyone know why changes made in the xscreensaver control panel are not passed to ~/.xscreensaver?
[12:05] <lotuspsychje> raub: wich changes are you trying to make?
[12:13] <gomboligo> has anyone had a case of Ubuntu installing successfully
[12:13] <gomboligo> but even the grub doesn't boot at all?
[12:14] <murmel> gomboligo: depending on the uefi implementation, yes, I had a few pcs where i had to fiddle with it
[12:16] <arkanoid> congrats to the ubuntu team for turning a 2 click action on 20.04 to a 6 click action in 22.04 for screenshotting a portion of screen and pasting it
[12:17] <arkanoid> I'd guess it's gnome fault, not ubuntu
[12:17] <gomboligo> I don't think this one even has UEFI
[12:17] <gomboligo> murmel: how was it solved?
[12:17] <murmel> gomboligo: I had to tell the uefi, that grub is basically windows. but if you don't have uefi, something else goes wrong
[12:18] <tomreyn> arkanoid: if you have feedback to developers, here's not the place. also try to make it constructive when giving feedback to them.
[12:19] <arkanoid> sure, it's a small rant as I've jsut upgraded. I've been an UI programmer time ago, I can kinda understand what's going on
[12:19] <raub> lotuspsychje: Changing standby, suspend, off times amd text manipulation. Control panel lists changes but the file does not
[12:22] <lotuspsychje> raub: did you create an xscreensaver startup item after reboot?
[12:25] <raub> lotuspsychje: Nope. In fact I have not touched it this year as it worked fine when I installed ubuntu 20 last year in this desktop
[12:27] <raub> Something happened this month (after last few updates?), which confuses me as I see online reports of similar problems with lubuntu 12.10 and 19.10 (I am not running lubunti. but that is what I found)
[12:27] <lotuspsychje> raub: what i did after installing xscreensaver on recent ubuntu releases is adding the xscreensaver -no-splash and reboot, then install some extras and data from apt
[12:27] <lotuspsychje> (to startup items)
[12:27] <murmel> raub: are you sure about the version numbers?
[12:28] <raub> murmel: which version numbers?
[12:29] <raub> lotuspsychje: Let me check statup items then
[12:30] <murmel> raub you typed: lubuntu 12.10 and 19.10
[12:30] <raub> murmel: Oh I see. Here are the URLs in question: https://askubuntu.com/questions/232084/xscreensaver-does-not-turn-monitor-off-in-lubuntu and https://www.reddit.com/r/Lubuntu/comments/fv3j0p/lubuntu_1910_xscreensaver_blank_screen_not/
[12:33] <gomboligo> Device for boot loader installation
[12:33] <gomboligo> this one is so tricky and never works
[12:33] <gomboligo> what should I choose?
[12:34] <tomreyn> if uefi, it does not matter
[12:34] <murmel> gomboligo: I guess first you would need to figure out if you are on a uefi or legacy device
[12:35] <gomboligo> legacy
[12:35] <murmel> so verify which sdX device your harddrive is and install it to that
[12:36] <gomboligo> but it asks for efi partition
[12:36] <gomboligo> situation is: bios settings have nothing about uefi
[12:36] <tomreyn> so you're installing in uefi mode
[12:36] <raub> lotuspsychje: According to gnome-session-properties I do not have it added to the list of "additional" startup programs, so it comes on in another way
[12:36] <murmel> gomboligo: if the installer asks for uefi, then you booted in efi mode
[12:37] <gomboligo> so sdX always works?
[12:37] <raub> systemctl --all list-unit-files --type=service|grep screen also does not list it
[12:37] <tomreyn> gomboligo: bug 1396379
[12:37] <lotuspsychje> raub: its not in systemd services, but in gnomes startup items you need to create one yourself
[12:38] <raub> lotuspsychje: FYI, it does run (sort of, it stopped turning the screen off, which is what I am trying to debug)
[12:39] <gomboligo> murmel: does sdX always work?
[12:39] <gomboligo> murmel: should I select the EFI thing instead?
[12:40] <lotuspsychje> raub: try adding it and rebooting first
[12:40] <murmel> gomboligo: no it doesn't. does 'ls /sys/firmware/efi/' give you some output?
[12:41] <gomboligo> tomreyn: so that is not fixed and it makes no difference?
[12:43] <EriC^^> gomboligo: select the disk itself, not the partition
[12:44] <tomreyn> gomboligo: <tomreyn> if uefi, it does not matter
[12:47] <gomboligo> murmel: no such file or directory
[12:47] <gomboligo> perhaps it is bios, but the installer is somehow crazy thinking it is UEFI?
[12:49] <tomreyn> if you want to verify how you booted: press ctrl-alt-t, then type this in the terminal window which opens: echo -n 'This system booted via: '; [ -d /sys/firmware/efi ] && echo UEFI || echo BIOS
[12:50] <tomreyn> or just:   [ -d /sys/firmware/efi ] && echo UEFI || echo BIOS
[12:51] <ioria> gomboligo, also, how did you burn the iso ?
[12:54] <gomboligo>  /sys/firmware/efi doesn't exist
[12:54] <gomboligo> but ubiquity asked for efi partition
[12:54] <shibboleth> tomreyn, bootctl
[12:58] <raub> lotuspsychje: rebooted. Control panel and ~/.xscreensaver still do not match. I wonder if there is another, global file it is editing.
[12:58] <tomreyn> shibboleth: good idea, thanks
[12:58] <lotuspsychje> raub: my xscreensaver conf seems to work fine
[12:59] <lotuspsychje> raub: did ubuntu ask you something about a screensaver deamon?
[12:59] <raub> nope
[13:02] <tomreyn> raub: which ubuntu flavor and version are you using?
[13:05] <raub> tomreyn: Ubuntu 20.04.4 LTS
[13:06] <tomreyn> raub: oh, and which desktop environment?
[13:07] <tomreyn> i'm not sure that xscreensaver would be a good match with gnome-shell
[13:07] <raub> LXDE
[13:07] <lotuspsychje> it does tomreyn
[13:08] <tomreyn> lotuspsychje: it works for screen locking and doesn't get in the way with logind?
[13:08] <lotuspsychje> im running xscreensaver fine on both focal & jammy
[13:08] <tomreyn> okay, i rest my case ;)
[13:08] <lotuspsychje> set on 1min to take screensaver on
[13:10] <lotuspsychje> even on wayland running like a charm
[13:10] <tomreyn> raub: lxde only got community support these days, and none of the flaros use it.
[13:10] <tomreyn> * flavors
[13:11] <raub> wayland and gnome are rather heavyweights
[13:11] <lotuspsychje> by the way ubuntu with lxqt got xscreensaver installed/running by default these days
[13:11] <lotuspsychje> lubuntu sorry
[14:22] <johnjaye> where can I look up what the installer script does from apt when reinstalling grub?
[14:23] <johnjaye> for some reason grub failed to boot into ubuntu but doing "apt-get install --reinstall grub-efi-amd64" repaired it
[14:30] <oerheks> dpkg.log ?
[14:31] <murmel> johnjaye: sounds almost like grub-install ... fixed your issue ;)
[14:40] <johnjaye> right. but i'm not sure how to invoke it
[14:41] <johnjaye> all the examples online are about booting the live cd and then chrooting in to do it
[14:41] <murmel> johnjaye: yes, that's the way to go (yes, it's rather complicated)
[14:42] <oerheks> Interesting, why do you wonder?
[14:42] <johnjaye> well. but can i just invoke it directly while booted into the system?
[14:42] <murmel> johnjaye:
[14:42] <murmel> yes
[14:42] <murmel> if you can boot into it ;)
[14:42] <johnjaye> that must have been what it did. ok.
[14:42] <oerheks> No.
[14:43] <johnjaye> lol i see
[14:43] <oerheks> i think that module was not installed, for some reason
[14:45] <strk> can you think of a way to inspect the colors shown on a terminal ? I'm under screen(1) if that may help
[14:48] <oerheks> explain ' inspect'  ?
[14:48] <oerheks> maybe pop-os does something weird with your terminal
[14:54] <Maik> strk: everything you ask is PopOS related so it's best to turn to their support forum
[14:55] <Maik> or try asking in #linux
[15:02] <MagicFab> Hi I need some help. An email with porn was sent to our Loco team mailing list. Is there any way to remove its thread from the ML archives ? Not sure who to contact, I haven't connected here for a while.
[15:03] <strk> MagicFab: or install ubuntu :)
[15:03] <strk> I just tried popos randomly
[15:03] <murmel> strk: so why are you not in their support channel then>?
[15:04] <MagicFab> murmel: which channel ?
[15:04] <strk> right, doesn't look like there's an IRC channel (or there's a #popos but with a single nick in there, and no topic)
[15:04] <murmel> !popos
[15:05] <Maik> MagicFab: that wasn't tailored at you
[15:05] <oerheks> they are with #system76 ?
[15:05] <oerheks> MagicFab, any administrator can edit the message
[15:06] <oerheks> but undoing the sended mail, nope
[15:06] <Maik> murmel: strk knows about that since he was notified with the same message earlier today
[15:07] <strk> yep, it looks like #system76 exists and is populated, if any admin could add that to the bot fact it would be helpful
[15:07] <murmel> strk: they have mattermost or matrix channels (mattermost at chat.pop-os.org)
[15:08] <oerheks> strk, added, but i am not a bot
[15:09] <MagicFab> oerheks: I haven't logged in the admin panel for a ML for a while, but never seen option to delete from the archive there. Regarding "un-sending", yeah, I know ! :|
[15:09] <MagicFab> oerheks: tx.
[15:11] <strk> oerheks: did I say you were ?
[15:11] <strk> (thanks!)
[15:15] <jhutchins> MagicFab: Did you say what mailing list manager you're using?
[15:18] <bhuban> why i cant see my integrated graphics (amd) information in my laptop? I am using ubuntu 20.04.
[16:24] <hid3> Greetings. Is there any way to get certain service uptime in seconds from systemd?
[16:29] <oerheks> sudo systemctl status <service> | grep Active
[17:39] <oerheks> Don’t Forget: Ubuntu 21.10 Support Ends on July 14, 2022
[17:39] <lotuspsychje_> and see !upgrade : )
[17:40] <oerheks> Support for Ubuntu 5.10 (Breezy Badger, 3rd release) ended 5545 days ago
[17:43] <dc> Hi guys. I am running 20.04, my monitor was working one week, the next it wasn't. I've some other cables. It's possible some updates ran which broke it - but im not sure. Any ideas on how to debug this further? Of course I have tried some of the options on stackoverflow
[17:43] <lotuspsychje_> dc: wich ubuntu release are you on?
[17:43] <dc> I've tried re-installing the nvidia drivers, and im just trying to remove them and reboot to see what happens. No luck so far
[17:43] <dc> 20.04 LTS
[17:43] <lotuspsychje_> dc: tell us at wich stage your screen goes off?
[17:44] <dc> it does not come on lotuspsychje_
[17:44] <enigma9o7[m]> What version nvidia driver?
[17:44] <dc> It says "No video input" throughout
[17:44] <lotuspsychje_> dc: post boot or grub either?
[17:44] <dc> lotuspsychje_: i have no way of knowing as i can't physically see anything on mys creen from this machine
[17:45] <dc> enigma9o7[m]: how am i able to give you nvidia driver version on cli
[17:45] <enigma9o7[m]> inxi -G
[17:46] <enigma9o7[m]> but if it wasnt nvidia-340 then my idea isnt it anyway
[17:46] <dc> i think i messed up uninstalling the nvidia drivers
[17:46] <enigma9o7[m]> But if the screen isnt on for BIOS/POST stuff, then its not an OS problem.
[17:47] <dc> because i ran the re-install instructions and it's not reinstalling them
[17:47] <enigma9o7[m]> Its a broken monitor or perhaps computer.
[17:47] <dc> I don;t have another monitor to test unfortunately, but the other port on the monitor works ifne
[17:47] <dc> enigma9o7[m]: yep, i guess you are right if i dont see BIOS/POST
[17:48] <dc> dont think i have hdmi to displayport lying around to see if it's the port hm
[17:48] <ioria> dc, is that a desktop pc, right ?
[17:48] <dc> yeah
[17:49] <ioria> dc, dedicated nvidia card ?
[17:49] <dc> yeah
[17:49] <ioria> dc, remove it
[17:49] <dc> oh shit, i think that might be why :D
[17:49] <dc> i plugged it on the onboard
[17:49] <dc> i moved the computer, completely forgot
[17:49] <ioria> lol
[17:50] <enigma9o7[m]> doh
[17:50] <ioria> integrated is automatically disabled when you have plugged a dedicated card
[17:50] <dc> can you help me reinstall the drivers before i test this hypothesis
[17:50] <dc> https://askubuntu.com/a/1099736
[17:50] <dc> i used these instructions earlier, then ran the purge again a bit later, and now it's not reinstalling as far as i can see
[17:51] <ioria> that's for the ppa.... but first plug correctly the cable
[17:51] <dc> ok one moment
[17:53] <ioria> on 20.04 i don't think (in general) you need that ppa anmore
[17:53] <dc> yeah now it works lmao.
[17:53] <ioria> *anymore
[17:53] <dc> feel like such an idipt. i never use this monitor unless im photo editing... so when i moved it i completely forgot i had a dedicated card :D
[17:54] <ioria> no, it's a common mistake
[17:55] <dc> resolution looks good so i think the nvidia graphics are there
[17:55] <dc> or at least im satisfied for now
[17:55] <dc> thank you for the rubber ducking ioria
[17:55] <ioria> no prob
[17:56] <dc> checking out now, bfn!
[19:40] <brkcore> nobody talks in the channel videolan, does anyone knows how to save equaliser settings in the preset menu of the VLC? Since upgraded to ubuntu22.04 and VLC version is 3.0.16 ... i cant find any options to do that
[20:06] <janisozaur> hi, will ubuntu impish update gcc to 11.3 or is it locked to 11.2 forever?
[20:07] <oerheks> i guess so, support ends juli 14
[20:10] <Pruners> I can't figure out where applications actually reside in Ubuntu.   There are the applications of course, but I don't think the applications are actually there, I think those are more like aliases, aren't they?
[20:11] <arraybolt3[m]> Pruners: Generally you shouldn't need to mess with the guts of your application stuff, apt and snap do that for you. But if you're interested, the majority of your application's executable files are hanging out in /usr/bin.
[20:12] <tomreyn> !fhs | Pruners
[20:12] <oerheks>  /bin/  /usr/bin /sbin/ /usr/sbin/  and user settings in your ~ /home folder
[20:13] <tomreyn> Pruners: i fyou tell us why you're asking, we may be able to help you prevent mistakes by providing more info.
[20:13] <oerheks> and there are snaps..
[20:14] <Hash> 22.04, it just randomly reboots the whole system
[20:14] <Hash> if you mouse move, or click here and there
[20:14] <Hash> So far it has happened twice
[20:14] <oerheks> random reboots.. do a memtest86 run
[20:14] <Hash> was fine for a year
[20:14] <Hash> i can try
[20:14] <Hash> I ahve 64gb ram
[20:14] <Hash> laready teasted last year
[20:15] <Hash> happened twice in 1 year
[20:15] <Hash> didn't happen on 20.04
[20:15] <Hash> only 22
[20:15] <Hash> same machine
[20:15] <oerheks> please, hit enter more..
[20:15] <Hash> welcome to ignore
[20:17] <tomreyn> whats in your systemd journal before it rebooted?
[20:17] <Hash> checking now
[20:27] <Pruners> I have a useful text application named "Left", which came down into my Downloads folder.  The application runs fine from that Downloads folder, but I do not normally run applications from my Downloads folder and would prefer the application in a proper folder for an application.  But if its a hassle to move it, I can leave it right there.
[20:28] <ravage> .local/bin for example
[20:28] <oerheks> any folder that is in your Path is oke..
[20:29] <tomreyn> echo $PATH
[20:30] <tomreyn> mv ~/Downloads/Left ~/.local/bin/
[20:30] <enigma9o7[m]> ~/.local/bin is probably best, but also if you create ~/bin then reboot it'll be in your path
[20:30] <tomreyn> ls ~/.local/bin/Left
[20:30] <geirha> it's the same with .local/bin, it only gets added to PATH during login if it already exists
[20:31] <geirha> a misfeature
[20:32] <enigma9o7[m]> misfeature?
[20:32] <Pruners> misfeature is an interesting word
[20:33] <geirha> yes, first time you install something in .local/bin it won't work. Confusing newbies
[20:34] <geirha> should just add it to PATH unconditionally instead
[20:36] <enigma9o7[m]> The downside being, it'd be slightly slower every command you entered.
[20:36] <enigma9o7[m]> slower than it needs to be
[21:03] <Psil0Cybin> okay guys i have to go be back later
[21:03] <Psil0Cybin> ciao
[21:25] <Jason> hello everyone
[21:31] <tomreyn> hi Jason
[21:32] <Jason> hi tomreyn
[22:06] <quackgyver> Software Center is telling me to update Firefox but when I press the "Update"-button it just says "Unable to update firefox: snap has no updates available"
[22:07] <quackgyver> Also, I'm searching for "PulseAudio Volume Control" in the software center and it's showing me not one, but two entries.
[22:07] <ravage> quackgyver, if "sudo snap refresh firefox" tells you the same then ignore the message
[22:08] <quackgyver> It says "snap "firefox" has no updates available"
[22:10] <quackgyver> Also, I have bluetooth headphones connected, but they're not actually being recognized as an output device.
[22:10] <quackgyver> It only does if I restart the PC.
[22:10] <quackgyver> This keeps happening, and it's extremely frustrating.
[22:22] <jhutchins> quackgyver: What have you done to troubleshoot it?
[22:22] <quackgyver> Which of the problems?
[22:25] <arraybolt3[m]> quackgyver: Open a terminal with Ctrl+Alt+T, then try "sudo snap refresh firefox".
[22:25] <enigma9o7[m]> Is it not normal to see both the snap version and the version from your distro?
[22:25] <oerheks> pkill firefox && sudo snap refresh firefox
[22:26] <enigma9o7[m]> (re: pavu)
[22:26] <quackgyver> arraybolt3[m]: Yeah that's what I did when I got "snap "firefox" has no updates available"
[22:26] <quackgyver> oerheks: Same message with your command as well.
[22:26] <mybalzitch> dunno why canonical couldn't link "update" to "refresh"
[22:27] <oerheks> maybe you had a kernel update unattended, and need a reboot?
[22:27] <oerheks> if /var/run/reboot-required exists..
[23:23] <Hash> ubuntu-drivers devices
[23:24] <Hash> gives me blank output
[23:24] <Hash> I'm trying to find out how to install binary nvidia driver for 22.04 for gtx 275
[23:24] <Hash> 08:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation GT200b [GeForce GTX 275] (rev a1) <- what driver version do I need. The cli program doesn't tell me
[23:26] <tomreyn> Hash: https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/drivers/unix/legacy-gpu/
[23:26] <Hash> i need 340
[23:27] <oerheks> yes, legacy 340 , use the driver ppa https://launchpad.net/~graphics-drivers/+archive/ubuntu/ppa?field.series_filter=jammy
[23:27] <oerheks> oh its gone
[23:28] <Hash> that's not in 22.04 apparently
[23:28] <Hash> it st arts with 390 on wards
[23:29] <oerheks> hmm sourve is there .. https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/jammy/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers-340
[23:29] <Hash> How do I get nvidia 340 driver in 22.04?
[23:31] <oerheks> the 340 package triggers nouveau
[23:31] <oerheks> so be it
[23:33] <tomreyn> nvidia-graphics-drivers-340 (340.108-0ubuntu8): "Drop support for the 340 driver, in favour of the nouveau driver since it is no longer supported by NVIDIA: https://nvidia.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/3142/~/support-timeframes-for-unix-legacy-gpu-releases "   -- Alberto Milone <email address hidden>  Wed, 10 Mar 2021 17:18:43 +0100
[23:33] <Hash> support doesn't matter to me, performance does.. nov. is slow and nvidia is faster performance.
[23:34] <Hash> So ubuntu forcing me to use nov? I don't like that.
[23:34] <oerheks> that ancient card .. i wonder if building 340 gives any benefit
[23:36] <tomreyn> not forcing you to (not) do anything, you could install an older version and pray it doesn't have security bugs and is still compatible.
[23:53] <cbreak> or get a newer GPU? There must be tones of faster ones that are basically free because they're also ancient.
[23:54] <cbreak> or download the binary drivers directly from nvidia. For example, cuda .deb also ships with drivers.
[23:59] <Hash> yeah tried all that
[23:59] <Hash> can't seem to build nvidia driver
[23:59] <Hash> oh well. looks like ubuntu won't be my distro anymore.