[00:15] <Doktur> I have an Intel i5-4590 with a 14TB drive and 8gb ram - any thoughts on what to use it for?
[00:17] <descent> download youtube vids. yt-dlp
[00:17] <descent> for backup incase internet goes out
[00:18] <Doktur> have that alreay - also have plex
[00:22] <Doktur> maybe build an NFT store - make a coin (eth style) and ipfs?
[00:23] <Unit193> I mean, if you want to contribute and have the bandwidth, run a tor relay?  Or a tor bridge?  Just not a tor exit.
[00:23] <Unit193> Some others would say slap kodi on it and have a media server.
[00:23] <oerheks> use it as a honeypot
[00:26] <ravage> honeypot is dangerous advice. can be illegal. also this all totally OT :)
[00:27] <enigma9o7[m]> How much space does one need to be an ubuntu mirror?
[00:27] <oerheks> a few TB per editition, depending how much you want to mirror
[00:28] <ravage> tank/mirror/ubuntu           3,3T
[00:28] <oerheks> that would be full ?
[00:28] <ravage> yes
[00:28] <ravage> without cdimages and so on
[00:28] <ravage> only the archive
[00:28] <oerheks> Make sure you have enough disk space. The Ubuntu archive, as of 2021-07-01, uses about:
[00:28] <oerheks> 1.5TB of disk space for the Ubuntu package archive.
[00:28] <oerheks> 23GB for Ubuntu release CD images.
[00:29] <ravage> 1.5T is not enough :D
[00:29] <oerheks> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Mirrors
[00:29] <ravage> ah sorry
[00:29] <ravage> its 1.8TB
[00:29] <IntelCore> oher
[00:30] <ravage> so 1.5 is not far off
[00:30] <IntelCore> got 22.04 installed
[00:30] <oerheks> still, depends what you mirror,.. universe too?
[00:30] <ravage> yes
[00:30] <oerheks> ah
[00:31] <ravage> debian is the same size in case anyone is wondering
[00:32] <enigma9o7[m]> thats kinda to be expected
[00:32] <IntelCore> have 4 small things to start with fresh 22.04 - failed to load key file , no such file or directory
[00:32] <enigma9o7[m]> if it was significaintly different one would wonder why
[00:32] <IntelCore> in my bar at bottom
[00:33] <IntelCore> plus, my bar is tiny.. icons tiny
[00:40] <IntelCore> hmm
[00:41] <oerheks> failed to load key file , no such file or directory .. pastebin an apt update run ?
[00:41] <IntelCore> post install update
[00:42] <IntelCore> tomboy app
[00:42] <IntelCore> nautilus.desktop
[00:42] <IntelCore> one for firefox.desktop
[00:44] <IntelCore> install said it had found 1 thing broken, proceeded fine, wifi went out twice, but it's wired
[00:44] <IntelCore> had no mary - speech either
[00:45] <IntelCore> my firefox from desktop ran fast 'nuff
[00:46] <IntelCore> can I get the terminal history or get at what it did?
[00:46] <oerheks> not sudo commands, there is dpkg logs, and journalctl
[00:46] <IntelCore> ya journal..ty
[00:50] <IntelCore> clean journal
[01:00] <Doktur> ?
[01:00] <Doktur> help
[01:06] <IntelCore> say what you need
[01:07] <IntelCore> a person can help
[01:07] <carnophage2> i need you intelcore
[01:07] <carnophage2> i need you to love me
[01:07] <carnophage2> as only a brother in Christ can love
[01:07] <IntelCore> bye, I'm fix my install
[01:08] <oerheks> carnophage2, keep the channel free for ubuntu support, thanks.
[01:08] <carnophage2> absolutely, pardon me.  excuse me, my bad.  for real, sorry.
[01:09] <carnophage2> just horsin' around a little, i got you.  my bad.
[01:43] <jadenlian> i have this mp3 player that i connect to my pc and its like nothing it being connected to it
[01:44] <jadenlian> im trying to see how i can access it to eather erase everything or listen whats on it
[02:01] <enigma9o7[m]> Well, usually those are just "mass storage mode" which when you plug in appears similar to a usb flash drive and usually fat32 formatted.... and sometimes they use MTP like a smartphone
[02:02] <enigma9o7[m]> sometimes you have to set something on the device itself to file transfer or MTP mode, otherwise it just charges
[02:02] <enigma9o7[m]> (as a security feature so if you plug into some random port to charge, they cant see your files)
[02:03] <enigma9o7[m]> What happens when you plug it into your pc, jadenlian?
[02:12] <jadenlian> enigma9o7[m]:nothing doesnt show anything
[02:12] <enigma9o7[m]> and hav eyou looked thru the deivce menus, make sure you dont have to enable transfer mode?  with phones you have to do that every single time you plug in as security, and some mp3 players the same
[02:14] <enigma9o7[m]> `fdisk -l` to see if its listed
[02:14] <jadenlian> its an mp3 player my cousin brought back from a county and he said that they had to plug it in pc there every 14 days to revalidate and when he got here and the timer ran out when i turn it on it only says to plug it in the pc \
[02:16] <enigma9o7[m]> If its there under fdisk -l, you can try to mount it.  If you dont understand what you see, share it on a pastebin....
[02:17] <jadenlian> ill use pastebin give me a sec
[02:17] <enigma9o7[m]> i mean `sudo fdisk -l`
[02:18] <enigma9o7[m]> and letter l, not number one
[02:20] <jadenlian> i used termbin
[02:20] <jadenlian> https://termbin.com/zj17
[02:22] <enigma9o7[m]> i dont see it there.  all those loop devices i believe are cuz of snap.  and your only real drive is your real drive. hmmmm bummer.
[02:23] <oerheks> is that thing properly charged?
[02:24] <jadenlian> its charging from the pc right now and its alredy fully charged\
[02:26] <jadenlian> i actually opened the other day to get any memory  card and it has one but its on purposely soldered to the mp3 player
[02:27] <jadenlian> so i guess something in that memory prevents the mp3 from being detected
[02:28] <oerheks> or a simple usb2/usb3(blue) thingy ?
[02:28] <oerheks> use a black port.
[02:29] <jadenlian> whats a black port
[02:29] <oerheks> else, yes it is toast, if it does not play by itself too.
[02:29] <oerheks> usb2 = black, plastic inside
[02:30] <jadenlian> if the memory plastic is black or blue?
[02:32] <jadenlian> when i try to access one of the option on the mp3 it says  "please connect to kios for authorize use"
[02:32] <jadenlian> but its working
[02:32] <jadenlian> its just that the pc doesnt detect it
[02:37] <enigma9o7[m]> seems its got some fancy bios that doesnt allow direct access to storage.  WIthout hardware hacking, you won't get much further.
[02:40] <jadenlian> so just give it up or where can i get something to make it behave
[02:41] <arraybolt3[m]> jadenlian: If it just has a soldered memory card, I'd take a chance with a soldering iron and see if I could get the thing off. If you're lucky, it'll just be a FAT32 or similar file system with a bunch of MP3s plopped on it, maybe with a bit of folder organization. If you're unlucky, it'll have a proprietary file system, hardware format, or DRM protection at which point you're pretty much sunk. Also, this may damage the data on the card
[02:41] <arraybolt3[m]> if it is proprietary but looks like a common card.
[02:42] <arraybolt3[m]> (For instance, if it looks like an SD card but the contacts are switched around, plugging it into your system might end up wiring the Power lines of the system to the Data lines of the card which could caused problems.)
[02:46] <arraybolt3[m]> jadenlian: Does it store user files, or is it preloaded with a bunch of music that the user has to pay a subscription to retain access to or something?
[02:46] <jadenlian> i find a way to get the memory card of the body of the mp3 and then ill plug the mp3 with no card on an old pc to see what happens
[02:46] <jadenlian> music files
[02:47] <arraybolt3[m]> If it holds data that the user legally owns, I would suspect that DRM protection probably isn't there.
[02:47] <arraybolt3[m]> (Er, legally has a perpetual license to, if you want to get technical.)
[02:48] <jadenlian> he said when he gets it brand new   when you turn it on the first thing you see is your name and then the mp3 options for music video and that stuff but its empty you have to  buy each individual songs for 1.6 each
[02:49] <Eickmeyer> Skimmed the story here. IMO, he got scammed.
[02:50] <arraybolt3[m]> jadenlian: Oh. That would make sense of why you're having a hard time getting data off of it - it's probably designed to keep users from copying the songs and redistributing them. In that case you really might hit a DRM roadblock, which pretty much leaves you in the lurch legally, and possibly technically too.
[02:50] <arraybolt3[m]> Buy a song, and then you have to validate every 14 days? That's just weird.
[02:51] <jadenlian> as soon as buy to keep using it every 14 days it locks up and you have to connect it to their pc
[02:51] <Eickmeyer> Probably 100% incompatible with Ubuntu, and, therefore, off-topic here, I hate to say.
[02:51] <arraybolt3[m]> (FWIW, you could skip getting into the MP3 player entirely, install an adblocker into Firefox, and then just use YouTube. Bam, music and videos, for free, no ads, no wonky MP3 player to hack, and no soldering involved.)
[02:53] <jadenlian> ok bye bye over (2000 songs * 1.6) youtube it is
[02:55] <arraybolt3[m]> Maybe also see if he can get his money back for the useless MP3 player.
[02:55] <Eickmeyer> +1 Youtube
[02:57] <jadenlian> ok
[02:57] <Guest44> hi how to install libcudart.so ?
[02:58] <Guest44> will i need to install the entire cuda? https://developer.nvidia.com/cuda-downloads?target_os=Linux&target_arch=x86_64&Distribution=Ubuntu&target_version=22.04&target_type=runfile_local
[02:58] <Eickmeyer> Guest44: if it's outside of the official Ubuntu repos, it's not supported here.
[02:58] <Guest44> where to ask?
[02:58] <Eickmeyer> You'd have to ask nvidia.
[02:59] <Guest44> not on irc
[02:59] <Eickmeyer> They have forums.
[02:59] <Guest44> oh they are here too
[02:59] <Guest44> my bad
[03:00] <enigma9o7[m]> sudo apt install nvidia-cuda-dev
[03:00] <enigma9o7[m]> It is in ubuntu.
[03:00] <Eickmeyer> Yeah, I was about to answer that, but he posted a link to the Nvidia repo, enigma9o7[m].
[03:01] <Eickmeyer> Guest44: You want nvidia-cuda-dev
[03:01] <Guest44> nvidia-cuda-toolkit ?
[03:01] <Guest44> no?
[03:01] <Eickmeyer> No.
[03:01] <oerheks> it is easier to use the deb method from that guide.
[03:01] <Guest44> whats nvidia-cuda-toolkit ?
[03:01] <Eickmeyer> sudo apt install nvidia-cuda-dev will do the trick.
[03:01] <Eickmeyer> Straight from the Ubuntu repos, no need to install the Nvidia repos.
[03:01] <oerheks> Eickmeyer,+1
[03:01] <Guest44> ny idea what nvidia-cuda-toolkit installs?
[03:02] <Guest44> any
[03:02] <Eickmeyer> No idea.
[03:02] <Eickmeyer> However, it does not contain the file you're looking for.
[03:02] <Eickmeyer> apt-file search libcudart.so came back with nvidia-cuda-dev.
[03:03] <enigma9o7[m]> thats the nvcc compiler.  you can get info by "apt show nvidia-cuda-toolkit"
[03:05] <Guest44> oh
[03:05] <Guest44> thx
[03:05] <Guest44> and whats the link i posted?
[03:06] <Guest44> it seems the entire cuda toolsuit
[03:06] <Eickmeyer> The link you posted is the Nvidia developer repository. It's not supported here.
[03:06] <Guest44> ok
[03:08] <Guest44> thanks
[03:10] <enigma9o7[m]> did that package solve your problem?  cuz unless you're running appimages, you really shouldn't have missing "so" files, they should be installed automatically as dependency of whatever needed it....
[03:11] <enigma9o7[m]> or i guess building stuff from source, duh. developers.
[03:33] <Eickmeyer> enigma9o7[m]: Yeah, people needing to do deep learning/AI typically need that stuff, but that's the extent of my knowledge.
[03:39] <darshan> Hi, I'm planning to install Ubuntu. Could anyone please tell how much should I allocate for root and home partition?  I don't want to lose my files when the OS get corrupted.
[03:41] <darshan> I have enabled dual boot
[03:43] <oerheks> more is better, sa 50 gb for root, and the rest for home? swap can use a swapfile, instead of partition
[03:43] <oerheks> c/sa/say
[03:44] <oerheks> and or maybe a 2nd partition for data/backups?
[03:44] <oerheks> go wild!
[03:44] <rob0> Why do you expect the OS partition to get corrupted?
[03:52] <darshan> oerheks: thanks
[03:59] <darshan> rob0: nvidia drivers caused my current installation to not boot and all of my files are in home directory of the same partition. I'm not sure how to save my home directory during new reinstall
[04:24] <arraybolt3[m]> Where would someone find old, EOL versions of Kubuntu? I know that EOL Ubuntu releases can be found at the old releases website, but for some reason it seems that Kubuntu releases just vanish into the void once they go EOL. In particular, I really like Kubuntu, and wanted to get Kubuntu 14.04 (which is long dead) since it came with a version of GIMP that has features that were removed in later versions. I am fully aware of the dangers of
[04:24] <arraybolt3[m]> EOL software and would be running it in a non-Internet-connected VM. Official sources would be better.
[04:25] <oerheks> i find not even torrents.
[04:29] <oerheks> well .. http://kubuntu.ru/download gives the official torrent
[04:29] <oerheks> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/focal/release/kubuntu-20.04.3-desktop-amd64.iso.torrent
[04:29] <oerheks> grinn, thanks russian friends!
[04:29] <arraybolt3[m]> The .torrent link gives me a 404 Not Found error :(
[04:29] <oerheks> and ,, dead
[04:29] <oerheks> yeah
[04:32] <arraybolt3[m]> My first ever distro was KXStudio 14.04, which was Kubuntu 14.04 but made into something like what Ubuntu Studio is now.
[04:32] <TechMonk> arraybolt3[m]: https://old-releases.ubuntu.com/releases/kubuntu/
[04:32] <oerheks> TechMonk, nope, no 20.04.3 point release
[04:33] <arraybolt3[m]> Close, but stops at 11.10 and doesn't have anything later.
[04:33] <TechMonk> arraybolt3[m]: click releases..
[04:33] <rfm> arraybolt3[m], might be able to get there by installing ubuntu from the old releases site and then installing the kde desktop package
[04:33] <oerheks> i hoped the torrent would be still alive.. but even internet archive gives a dead page
[04:34] <TechMonk> arraybolt3[m]: https://kubuntu.org/getkubuntu-old/
[04:35] <Maik> arraybolt3[m]: http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/releases/kubuntu/
[04:35] <arraybolt3[m]> Dead link.
[04:35] <Maik> arraybolt3[m]: try mine
[04:35] <arraybolt3[m]> Maik: Stops at 11.10.
[04:36] <TechMonk> Maik: look at mine, i posted that one already.
[04:37] <Maik> TechMonk: ah, didn't notice that, had to scroll back
[04:37] <oerheks> TechMonk, still no 20.04.3
[04:37] <arraybolt3[m]> aHA! Internet archive had it.
[04:37] <enigma9o7[m]> if you want gimp or whatever from 14.04, it doesnt have to be Kubuntu, ubuntu is the same.
[04:37] <TechMonk> arraybolt3[m]: I was about to go there next. lol
[04:38] <arraybolt3[m]> enigma9o7: True, but I like Kubuntu 14.04. It had a look and feel to it that was really nice.
[04:39] <arraybolt3[m]> Still, Internet Archive isn't an official source, but it's a source, and it's a supposedly safe source, so it's something.
[04:40] <TechMonk> arraybolt3[m]: try to find the md5sum hashes.
[04:40] <enigma9o7[m]> for when https fails
[04:40] <TechMonk> arraybolt3[m]: slow downloads but it worked from Internet Archive, hahaha.
[04:40] <arraybolt3[m]> They're there. You just have to hunt around in the timeline.
[04:41] <TechMonk> Yeah, i found it, by navigating the calendar.
[04:41] <TechMonk> Good job slueths.
[04:42] <arraybolt3[m]> OK, that'll give me a way to do it for people in the future who hit this problem! Thank you! I was going to get Kubuntu, but at the last minute, I decided I was being wasteful to download Kubuntu 14.04 when I had Ubuntu 14.04 already, so I canceled it LOL. But hey, problem solved, that should help us all help others. Thank you all again!
[04:44] <enigma9o7[m]> yeah, there are kids across the world with very little bandwidth, by saving it yourself it may help them
[04:46] <TechMonk> arraybolt3[m]: http://mirror.datto.com/ubuntu-releases/kubuntu/releases/14.04/release/
[04:47] <arraybolt3[m]> Nice, but possibly scary source.
[04:57] <alien_> hola
[04:57] <alien_> como estan
[05:01] <xMopx> i'm noticing that, on 22.04, i need to specify the MAC address of bridge interfaces in netplan configs
[05:01] <xMopx> here's my config with the line in question highlighted: https://pastebin.com/raw/0TWQHVvQ
[05:02] <xMopx> on 20.04, the bridge interface seemed to automatically clone the mac address of (in my case) eno1
[05:02] <xMopx> but on 22.04, eno1 comes up with a random mac
[05:02] <xMopx> is this expected? A bug?
[06:43] <fireup> hi all, if anyone knows, is there an irc channel for debian?
[06:47] <Unit193> fireup: #debian, or #debian on OFTC.
[06:47] <Unit193> If you're using testing or unstable, you'll need to join #debian-next on OFTC though.
[06:49] <fireup> Unit193: Thank you my friend
[07:17] <sKep> hi
[07:17] <sKep> what is i2p?
[07:22] <jessy> hello?
[07:23] <sKep> hi jess
[07:36] <nulldoot> hi everyone
[07:36] <nulldoot> i need your help about ubuntu when i setting nvim with lua
[07:37] <nulldoot> i cant found file packer
[07:38] <wez> hi Dr nulldoot! I don't know what any of that means, but it sounds like a lua issue, not a ubuntu issue.
[07:39] <nulldoot> yes abut lua in ubuntu
[07:39] <nulldoot> i installed packer.nvim
[07:39] <nulldoot> and my config
[07:40] <nulldoot> tree --> .config/nvim
[07:40] <nulldoot> there are have: init.lua and folder lua
[07:40] <nulldoot> in folder lua i have three folder options, keybindings, plugins
[07:40] <wez> Still sounds like a lua issue.
[07:41] <whiteongreyX> why
[07:41] <nulldoot> how can i fix that
[07:43] <nulldoot> this is my packer.nivm
[07:43] <nulldoot> ls ~/.local/share/nvim/site/pack/packer/opt/packer.nvim/
[07:44] <nulldoot> https://github.com/wbthomason/packer.nvim/issues/844
[07:44] <nulldoot> im try but not working
[08:16] <greybored> Hi! Anyone run maas in a cloud vm and just point your bare metal hosts/networks to it (ie dhcp relay host via a vpc connection)? Any reason that wouldn't work? Trying to move maas off a single single bare metal host and hopefully add some HA at the same time.
[08:42] <tomreyn> greybored: there's #ubuntu-cloud and #ubuntu-server, as well as #maas
[08:48] <R4v3n> Hello guys. Is there any udev/usbhid guru here ? I got some udev rules to limit usb devices (keyboard, mouse & mass storage), yesterday I updated from 5.13.0[...]-48 to -51, and now my keyboard & mouse aren't detected as usbhid devices until I unplug & replug them. Booting under -48 isn't better
[08:49] <R4v3n> If somebody got an idea, thanks a lot
[08:52] <tomreyn> and ... you're not planning on sharing "some rules"?
[08:55] <tomreyn> xMopx: try #netplan (and reading their changelogs)
[08:55] <R4v3n> tomreyn, oh sorry, I forget to tell the most interesting. Rules are ok, the problem seems to be on the usbhid driver or something like this. When I boot, I log in with a PS/2 keyboard (while my usb keyboard & mouse are plugged), I lsusb -t and I can see both keyboard & mouse are detected BUT not identified with the DRIVER=usbhid. If I unplug & replug them, then lsusb -t shows the usbhid driver and they are working
[08:58] <tomreyn> does journalctl have any clue on why these devices are not claimed by usbhid during boot then?
[08:59] <R4v3n> I'll check. I'm not very friend with journalctl :) But I'll check right now
[09:13] <Guest9795> Hello
[09:13] <R4v3n> tomreyn, ok so, in logs I can see my devices aren't authorized (since the kernel update). So I disabled my udev rules file to try without any limitation, and keyboard & mouse are still not working, still don't get the "Driver=usbhid" in lsusb -t, until I unplug & replug them
[09:15] <Guest9795> I have a new laptop and a fresh installation of Ubuntu 22.04 LTS, but the Firefox was acting strange when on an external display. Turning off hardware acceleration fixed the issue, but now I'm wondering if there is something wrong with my GPU drivers? Does anybody have some ideas?
[09:21] <tomreyn> R4v3n: that's all the suggestions i had. without more details, such as error messages and logs, it'll be difficult.
[09:21] <R4v3n> well it seems i'm not the first with this kernel : https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/usb-keyboard-and-mouse-not-detected-at-boot-with-kernel-5-13-4-5-12-11-is-ok-4175698287/
[09:24] <Guest9795> looks like this could fix my issue https://dgpu-docs.intel.com/installation-guides/ubuntu/ubuntu-focal.html but I don't want to mess my system
[09:24] <tomreyn> Guest9795: you'd need to tell us more about your graphics hardware, the drivers being used, the graphics server (Xorg or wayland) being used, and the "acting strange"
[09:26] <Guest9795> I have Mesa Intel® Xe Graphics and using wayland, the acting strange is like scroll bar is freezing, can't swap browser tabs, no animation when I try to select text with mouse cursor and things like that
[09:28] <Guest9795> !paste
[09:29] <Guest9795> why the hell I have to create an account to use pastebin? :(
[09:29] <Guest9795>   *-display
[09:29] <Guest9795>        description: VGA compatible controller
[09:29] <Guest9795>        product: TigerLake-LP GT2 [Iris Xe Graphics]
[09:29] <Guest9795>        vendor: Intel Corporation
[09:29] <Guest9795>        physical id: 2
[09:29] <Guest9795>        bus info: pci@0000:00:02.0
[09:29] <rob0> huh?
[09:29] <rob0> There are lots of pastebins, you don't have to use one in particular.
[09:34] <tomreyn> Guest9795: lspci -knnv | grep -A3 VGA | nc termbin.com 9999
[09:34] <Guest9795> tomreyn https://termbin.com/cew3
[09:37] <tomreyn> Guest9795: i can't find existing bug reports against ubuntu kernels or the X graphics driver with this hardware ID (8086:9a49) or "Iris Xe"
[09:38] <Guest9795> tomreyn I mean everything is working perfectly fine, it's just firefox can't handle hardware acceleration, which is supposed to use computer's graphics processor
[09:38] <tomreyn> i searched launchpad, you may want to repeat this search on a generic web search engine
[09:39] <tomreyn> this will probably be related to the snap container somehow
[09:39] <tomreyn> but you seemed to say there was also a correlation to the external display.
[09:40] <Guest9795> hmm it might be, I couldn't even use gnome extensions which I have been using for years because of the snap
[09:40] <tomreyn> you mean the gnome extensions web page in firefox?
[09:41] <Guest9795> yep the shell integration doesn't work with snap https://askubuntu.com/questions/1403688/although-gnome-shell-integration-extension-is-running-native-host-connector-is
[09:41] <Guest9795> well I experience the graphic freezes only when using external display
[09:42] <Guest9795> I have Dell XPS 13" and Lenovo ultra-wide 34" display
[09:43] <tomreyn> actual graphics freezes? then you should have intel graphics driver (i915) fifo (?) underrun messages in journalctl.
[09:44] <tomreyn> do you see such?
[09:44] <tomreyn> jorunalctl -eb
[09:47] <Guest9795> nope all looks good https://termbin.com/dk3n & https://termbin.com/2bb4
[09:49] <jkdie7nino> it looks like I am no able to understand hwo to get firefox or any browder running using X11Forw...since I get X11 connection rejected because of wrong authentication...what I need to adopt to get this trivial thing running
[09:49] <jkdie7nino> xterm/xclock running fine
[09:51] <tomreyn> Guest9795: i'm not sure this massive SECCOMP message spam (before you closed, then restarted, firefox 40 minutes ago) is expected.
[09:51] <tomreyn> Guest9795: also, is this something you set or is this just by default? firefox_firefox.desktop[162109]: ATTENTION: default value of option mesa_glthread overridden by environment.
[09:52] <tomreyn> okay, the latter is apparently stnandard with the snap
[09:53] <Guest9795> that is probably when I turned off the hardware acceleration after I experienced issues this morning, then I joined here to ask for long term fix
[09:54] <tomreyn> it might be best to report a new bug there
[09:55] <Guest9795> well I can do that, but I can't be the only one with intel GPU and snap firefox
[09:57] <Guest9795> I should probably try installing another browser or run some benchmark tool to see how the GPU behaves under stress
[11:23] <Ecko> Hi, in Jammy, group ssh has been renamed _ssh? Is there an explanation why?
[11:42] <Xeroine> Ubuntu patches some GNOME software right? why do they do this instead of creating extensions?
[11:42] <murmel> Xeroine: because not everything can be done with extensions
[11:45] <Xeroine> ah okay
[11:45] <KBar> Xeroine: if you're concerned about modularity, then GNOME is probably not the right choice
[12:25] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[13:30] <chan> hi
[13:31] <chan> anybody there?
[13:54] <BedMan> yep
[15:01] <BedMan> did you have a question @chan?
[15:16] <tomreyn> BedMan: they left within a minute of joining.
[15:20] <blomberg> why sudo do-release-upgrade upgrades to 20.04LTS not 22.04LTS
[15:21] <ravage> you can't directly upgrade from 18
[15:21] <ravage> 04 to 22.04
[15:21] <blomberg> so i have to upgrade again..? from 18 lol
[15:22] <ravage> you don't have to yet
[15:22] <ravage> 20.04 is still supported
[15:22] <blomberg> so it 18
[15:22] <oerheks> no, because 20.04.1 is not out yet, you will need to use the -d option
[15:22] <oerheks> err 22.04.1
[15:23] <blomberg> even 18 is supported
[15:23] <ravage> well. question answered
[15:25] <Maik> !ltsupgrades | blomberg
[15:25] <Maik> hmmm...
[15:26] <Maik> !ltsupgrade
[15:26] <blomberg> why is 22 LTS not available on do-release-upgrade?? when it's there on the site
[15:27] <Maik> blomberg: read the factoid
[15:27] <blomberg> Maik:which? 04 is april not is june
[15:28] <Maik> again, read the factoid
[15:28] <blomberg> you mean the bots message?
[15:28] <Maik> what else.....
[15:28] <blomberg> ok
[15:28] <blomberg> but -d is not lts?
[15:29] <Maik> it is
[15:29] <Maik> otherwise it wouldn't be in the factoid
[15:29] <ravage> officially 22.04.1 is the LTS release
[15:29] <ravage> not 22.04.0
[15:29] <Maik> not true, 22.04.1 is just a point realease
[15:30] <Maik> which will be out in August
[15:30] <ravage> I was told otherwise by 2 people
[15:30] <Maik> by whom?
[15:30] <ravage> pretty sure one was sarnold. don't remember the second
[15:31] <Maik> ravage: if you have 22.04 LTS installed and keep it up to date it will get to the point releases automatically, no need to re-install
[15:31] <blomberg> so point releases happen every month
[15:31] <Maik> blomberg: no
[15:32] <ravage> i never said i want or need to reinstall
[15:32] <Maik> blomberg: search for the release schedule and you'll know
[15:33] <Maik> ravage: 22.04 IS a LTS release.
[15:33] <ravage> well. I'm too lazy to look up logs from months ago
[15:33] <ravage> let's just drop it
[15:34] <Maik> no problem
[15:34] <ravage> it was my understanding too
[15:34] <ravage> i was just told otherwise
[15:34] <blomberg> what's the time period cycle of point releases then
[15:35] <Maik> blomberg: the upgrade path to 22.04 will be opened a few days or weeks after the first point release
[15:36] <Maik> blomberg: https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/jammy-jellyfish-release-schedule/23906
[15:36] <KBar> 4-5 months
[15:36] <KBar> it depends
[15:36] <KBar> for 22.04 its scheduled in august
[15:36] <luna_> 4th August
[15:37] <Maik> which already has been told several times
[15:37] <KBar> luna_: thanks!
[15:37] <luna_> np
[15:38] <blomberg> if -d is lts then why it's called development
[15:39] <blomberg> ok its' point release?
[15:39] <blomberg> so i have to upgrade twice once to lts and then to point release? i am a bit confused
[15:40] <jhutchins> Oooh the pain!
[15:42] <tomreyn> blomberg: the -d / development part refers to the fact that the LTS upgrade path has not been 'released' yet. and once you're on 22.04.*, upgradign to a point release is as easy as running sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade
[15:44] <blomberg> ok i can -d safely then
[15:47] <KBar> tomreyn: aren't you just gradually updating your system to reach the point-release status? once you're on an lts release, you just need to keep updating your system, and it will reach .{1..6} seamlessly. the first one is just for people wanting to upgrade to the new lts from the older release
[15:47] <blomberg> apt upgrade upgrades to a point release but it gets release only every 4-5months ? so the system packages update every 4-5months? it's that slow? i like not having updates though - annoying
[15:49] <ravage> a point release will mostly update the ISO files. if you just update your packages you get to the state of the point release gradually
[15:49] <KBar> blomberg: no. read my reply above. and this: https://ubuntu.com/about/release-cycle
[15:50] <KBar> ^ what ravage says
[15:50] <tomreyn> KBar: you're right, too, no need to *full-*upgrade
[15:51] <tomreyn> (i explained this part incorrectly)
[15:51] <KBar> blomberg: new lts is released. users on older releases cant upgrade to it yet for variety of reasons. only new installations are allowed. the moment the first point release comes out, upgrades from older releases become allowed.
[15:52] <KBar> blomberg: but those who installed the new lts right from the start will get to the point release by gradually updating (aka sudo apt upgate && sudo apt upgrade) their system every day or whatever
[15:52] <KBar> ravage's explanation is on point. also there was a wiki article explaining this but i cant seem to find it
[15:54] <KBar> blomberg: so if you're on 20.04 now, you will be able to upgrade to 22.04.1 in august in one big upgrade. no need for two upgrades (i.e. 20.04 > 22.04 > 22.04.1) as you seem to have misunderstood. you skip the middle part because you're not allowed to upgrade just yet
[15:57] <blomberg> ahh
[16:00] <blomberg> after august if i had 18.04 can i directly go to 22.04 upon sudo do-release-upgrade?
[16:00] <blomberg> if not i'd have just preferred to download the iso 22.04
[16:01] <blomberg> i thought i would go from 18 to 22 , but today i was unhappy that i got 20.04
[16:01] <ThinkT510> I don't think you can skip LTS releases
[16:05] <ravage> you have to upgrade from 18 to 20 and the  to 22
[16:06] <transhumanist> HI! in a previous install I figured out a solution to the bug where chrome or firefox can not browse because the wrong file manager is set . Anyone else recently report this bug and know the link to the correct solution?
[16:06] <MagicFab> blomberg no you can't, you have to upgrade LTS to LTS.
[16:09] <lotuspsychje> transhumanist: explain the solution you did exactly to the volunteers, and many someone might know an existing bug ID
[16:09] <transhumanist> I saved the damn bug in my email for future use but cant locate it again
[16:10] <transhumanist> basically firefox or chrome when attempting to browse for files only sees one directory and doesnt see updates to the directory and can not browse higher directories
[16:11] <transhumanist> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1285711
[16:12] <transhumanist> I just dont know what the real fix is fix is
[16:12] <KBar> transhumanist: obviously turn firefox into a firefix. :D sorry i have no idea
[16:17] <sparenica> Hello guys
[16:17] <sparenica> :-)
[16:17] <KBar> sparenica: hello and welcome to the Ubuntu support channel. ask away!
[16:43] <enigma9o7[m]> If it was only affecting firefox, I'd guess it was a bug related to snap packaging, not firefox itself.  But since you said it affects chrome too, that doesnt seem likely, assuming you're using the debian package straight from google (which afaik is the only way to get it anyway)....
[16:45] <murmel> enigma9o7[m]: theoretically there is a flatpak
[16:45] <anurag> hello
[16:45] <anurag> me real hacker
[16:45] <anurag> who just installed ubuntu
[16:45] <anurag> and just chilling with KDE plasma
[16:45] <anurag> and not doing anything
[16:46] <anurag> using cmatrix
[16:46] <anurag> ok dont hack me
[16:46] <anurag> anyone there?
[16:46] <oerheks> !enter
[16:46] <anurag> why
[16:46] <jchittum> on point releases: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PointReleaseProcess
[16:46] <enigma9o7[m]> Ah I stand corrected, I see there is indeed a flatpak.
[16:46] <oerheks> is there a support issue in all those lines?
[16:46] <anurag> okay okay
[16:46] <anurag> anyways bye
[16:46] <anurag> me going
[16:47] <jchittum> a point release of the server ISO will container packages updated at that point, as well as the rolled kernel hwe kernel
[16:47] <jchittum> for when: https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/jammy-jellyfish-release-schedule/23906
[16:47] <jchittum> point release of 22.04 is currently scheduled for August
[16:48] <jchittum> for do-release-upgrade, you can move from 20.04 to 21.10 now if you choose. you have to set /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades : Prompt=normal
[16:48] <murmel> jchittum: pretty sure the server ISO _doesn't_ include the hwe kernel
[16:48] <oerheks> your update manager will notify you..
[16:48] <jchittum> You can install the hwe kernel if you choose to
[16:49] <jchittum> and that's when it will roll to the newer kernel version
[16:49] <murmel> jchittum: sure but you were talking about included hwe kernel, which is not the case
[16:49] <enigma9o7[m]> hwe kernel updates every 6 months when the non lts releases come out
[16:49] <oerheks> only fresh installs 22.04 when 22.04.1 comes out, get HWE standard enabled.
[16:50] <jchittum> enigma9o7: that is highly dependent
[16:50] <murmel> yes, and if I remember correctly, only desktop, not server, + it starts with .2 not .1. (the last part not 100% sure)
[16:50] <enigma9o7[m]> dependant?
[16:50] <enigma9o7[m]> ent?
[16:50] <murmel> oerheks: also server oO?
[16:50] <enigma9o7[m]> What does that mean sorry?
[16:50] <oerheks> server, not sure,..
[16:51] <jchittum> dependent on many factors
[16:51] <jchittum> we _have_ rolled cloud kernels before, in very specific cases, for enablement reasons
[16:51] <jchittum> and various OEM kernels will move at slightly different rates / versions
[16:52] <murmel> jchittum: sure, I was still talking about server iso and by default install, not some "random" cloud image or the like
[16:52] <enigma9o7[m]> Hmmmm ok.  So you're saying hte hwe kernel is not always the same as the one from the non-lts releases?
[16:52] <jchittum> murmel: please don't say "random" with cloud images
[16:53] <jchittum> the images published by Canonical to the clouds are _official_ and follow the same SRU rules, etc.
[16:53] <jchittum> using Ubuntu in the clouds is like having a rolling Ubuntu Server version. they are not random (as long as you stick to things published by Canonical)
[16:53] <enigma9o7[m]> I have seen oem kernel available thats often newer than hwe kernel...
[16:54] <murmel> jchittum: I guess i just move on
[16:54] <jchittum> enigma9o7: right. Canonical helps make a lot of different kernel flavors. and most try to follow the same cadence (releasing shortly after the release of the next Ubuntu version). But various considerations can move schedules a bit
[16:54] <jchittum> usually it's further back
[16:56] <murmel> jchittum: as you seem to almost try to misunderstand me, I will move on as said above
[16:58] <jchittum> for `do-release-upgrade`, right now if you use `do-release-upgrade -d` on a 20.04 machine, it will install to 22.04
[17:03] <hemm333> does libreboot work on t61?
[17:05] <tomreyn> hemm333: that'd be a good support question for the libreboot project, i guess
[17:06] <oerheks>  #libreboot has a channel here on #libera
[17:06] <hemm333> thanks
[17:06] <oerheks> have fun!
[17:06] <tomreyn> !alis | hemm333
[17:24] <ash_worksi> how do you connect to an ftp site as a particular user just using the CLI `ftp` command
[17:27] <enigma9o7[m]> "user"
[17:28] <tomreyn> pass the "user" command interactively, or as a batch file. or use a .netrc configuration file
[17:28] <ash_worksi> enigma9o7[m]: like `ftp user ... ftp.example.com` ?
[17:28] <tomreyn> i'd rather recommend lftp though
[17:29] <enigma9o7[m]> sftp....
[17:29] <ash_worksi> in that case, what's the command to connect? it's not `connect` apparently
[17:29] <jhutchins> Really depends on what the server supports.
[17:29] <enigma9o7[m]> no ash... that way would be like ftp user@site.com
[17:30] <enigma9o7[m]> but the command user works if you are at an ftp prompt
[17:30] <enigma9o7[m]> then you use the "open" commadn to o pen a site
[17:30] <jhutchins> I https://www.commandlinux.com/man-page/man1/ftp.1.html
[17:30] <ice9> latest nvidia driver is already installed from apt, but flatpak update shows: org.freedesktop.Platform.GL.nvidia-510-73-05, why is that?
[17:31] <ice9> that's the same version that is installed
[17:31] <enigma9o7[m]> Well you probably had an earlier version installed previously.
[17:32] <enigma9o7[m]> Now you gotta update to current.
[17:32] <enigma9o7[m]> Probably cuz you pudated your linux driver with apt.
[17:32] <enigma9o7[m]> now flatpak has to update to correspond to your real driver
[17:32] <enigma9o7[m]> this im just guessing
[17:32] <enigma9o7[m]> so probably wrong
[17:34] <oerheks> why add the flatpak as you seem to have proper drivers?
[17:36] <ice9> oerheks, I haven't, i was just running flatpak update and I was surprised about nvidia driver
[17:37] <ice9> now I ran, flatpak uninstall org.freedesktop.Platform.GL.nvidia-510-73-05; but "update" still shows it
[17:38] <murmel> ice9: do you have anything on flatpak installed which would need the nvidia driver?
[17:39] <ice9> murmel, https://bpa.st/EACQ
[17:40] <oerheks> Mesa, probably
[17:41] <oerheks> make a choice, choose their tested ones?
[17:41] <murmel> yeah very likely
[17:50] <BedMan> tomreyn: figured... I'm ignoring joins parts and quits because... too much information :)
[17:52] <tomreyn> BedMan: maybe your clicjt supports nickname completion, though
[17:52] <tomreyn> *client
[17:52] <BedMan> it does... (irssi rocks)
[17:52] <BedMan> I used "@" notation, which doesn't tho...
[17:52] <BedMan> my bad
[17:53] <BedMan> heh clicjt
[17:53] <BedMan> sounds like a search term on google :-p
[18:08] <ash_worksi> oh `open` I'll try it, thanks enigma9o7[m]
[18:09] <ash_worksi> when I try `open ftp.example.com` it says "connection refused" when I try `open user@ftp.example.com` it says "command not supported"; when I try just `user` at the prompt it says "not connected"
[18:10] <enigma9o7[m]> You need the connection not refused.
[18:10] <enigma9o7[m]> the user@ syntax was direct bash commadn i.e. `ftp user@ftp.example.com`
[18:10] <enigma9o7[m]> but if you just run `ftp` then `open ftp.example.com` then `user` will work, if opening worked.
[18:11] <ash_worksi> enigma9o7[m]: I tried that
[18:11] <enigma9o7[m]> Well connect to a site that doesnt refuse you.
[18:11] <enigma9o7[m]> It appears the ftp site you're tryiing to use is down.
[18:11] <enigma9o7[m]> If it is refusing connections.
[18:12] <ash_worksi> no, it's not down; `sftp -o user=me` works
[18:12] <enigma9o7[m]> ftp is not sftp
[18:12] <enigma9o7[m]> requires different deamon
[18:12] <ash_worksi> although _that_ doesn't seem to support the normal ftp commands I know of; but whatever; can you set binary mode on sftp?
[18:12] <enigma9o7[m]> I dont think you can unset binary mode on sftp.
[18:13] <enigma9o7[m]> odnt think sftp supports that ascii dos2unix stuff
[18:14] <murmel> ash_worksi: are you sure you are talking about sftp, not ftps?
[18:15] <ash_worksi> murmel: yeah, `sftp -o ... ftp.example.com` is the command I typed
[18:16] <murmel> ash_worksi: sftp is ssh, ftps is ftp over ssl
[18:16] <murmel> so pretty sure you want ftps not sftp
[18:17] <ash_worksi> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[18:17] <ash_worksi> I'll give it a try
[18:17] <ash_worksi> `ftps` is not installed :P
[18:18] <tomreyn> ash_worksi: or you could just tell us what you're trying to do, and then we could tell you how
[18:19] <tomreyn> i.e. which server and port and protocol are you trying to connect to? if you prefer not to disclose the server, the other details should suffice.
[18:19] <ash_worksi> nvm everyone, I got what I needed using `sftp`; thanks for your help though
[18:20] <enigma9o7[m]> Well since you're able to connec twith sftp, you should be able to do whatever transfer you want, no?
[18:20] <ash_worksi> I am pretty confident I was able to accomplish this all before using just `ftp`, since I had to design a crappy script around it
[18:20] <ash_worksi> but that worked differently
[18:20] <tomreyn> now remember that sftp is something entirely different than what you asked for, ftp
[18:21] <ash_worksi> tomreyn: yes, I know, and ... what I said before...
[18:21] <enigma9o7[m]> You can also open sftp in your file maanger, just put sftp://user@site.whatever in the address bar
[18:22] <ash_worksi> really?
[18:22] <enigma9o7[m]> Indeed.
[18:22] <ash_worksi> does user:pass work like that?
[18:23] <tonisarom> Hey there, I am trying to get my laptop to connect to my pihole DNS server by setting the pihole IP in the router, it is working fine for all the devies at home (apple/android/winodws) just not my linux laptop. every couple of hours it just cannot resolve DNS. any idea what could be going wrong?
[18:23] <enigma9o7[m]> try and see, i always let it prompt me for password the first time, then tell it to save it for future
[18:23] <tomreyn> ash_worksi: depends on the file manager, i guess. but it should work with gnome files (nautilus), at least for the username, maybe not for the password.
[18:24] <ash_worksi> erm... my nautilus doesn't have a browser-like location bar.... just a breadcrumb
[18:24] <tomreyn> tonisarom: which ubuntu version are you running, which dns client?
[18:24] <enigma9o7[m]> just click it and start typing
[18:25] <ash_worksi> oh i see
[18:25] <tomreyn> ash_worksi: or ctrl-l
[18:26] <ash_worksi> ctrl-l worked; just typing would highlight a file
[18:26] <tonisarom> tomreyn: 22.04, I didn't do anything with my DNS on my laptop, so I am assuming the default?
[18:27] <ash_worksi> whattya know, it works
[18:27] <ash_worksi> and it prompts for a password
[18:27] <ash_worksi> although I am more fond of a console
[18:28] <tomreyn> tonisarom: most likely. whats the error message when you run host or dig or resolvctl or try to connect to something when it fails?
[18:28] <BadAtom> tonisarom: how are you setting the IP for the nameserver, in cloud-init?
[18:29] <tonisarom> how do I paste the result of my terminal output for not to cause spam in channel?
[18:30] <tomreyn> tonisarom: if you use the default shell:   somecommandproducingoutput |& nc termbin.com 9999
[18:32] <tonisarom> @tomr
[18:32] <tonisarom> tomreyn: https://termbin.com/auxd
[18:34] <ash_worksi> exit
[18:34] <ash_worksi> oops
[18:34] <ash_worksi> thanks again everyone
[18:34] <tomreyn> tonisarom: and if you just run    resolvectl |& nc termbin.com 9999
[18:37] <tonisarom> tomreyn: https://termbin.com/3x8y
[18:38] <tomreyn> tonisarom: do you notice the issue from this output, yet?
[18:38] <tomreyn> last two lines
[18:38] <tonisarom> the Current DNS Server is pointing to my Router instead of my pihole
[18:39] <tomreyn> i could not tell that, but i can tell that your system is configured to use to name servers side by side, preferring whichever it feels like
[18:40] <tomreyn> so if you want all requests to go to 192.168.29.200 and none to 192.168.1.1 then you should not allow the latter to be configured
[18:40] <tonisarom> tomreyn: in the router I set my DNS to point to `192.168.29.200`, so I thought that it would get the proper DNS server from there
[18:41] <execrate> heyyy
[18:41] <tomreyn> tonisarom: i don't know your router, so cannot tell what it does with what you configure there.
[18:41] <tonisarom> aha
[18:42] <tomreyn> but you can probably also just change this on your ubuntu system
[18:42] <tonisarom> tomreyn: so in this case I need to manually set the DNS server on my Laptop rather than allow it to get the DNS server from the router?
[18:43] <tomreyn> if it gets incorrect data via dhcp, then you'll want to override that
[18:43] <tomreyn> in network manager, for this wireless connection, you can configure the dns server to use
[18:44] <tomreyn> i don't remember how to set an dhcp client option override, but i think this is also possible.
[18:45] <tomreyn> but start by just trying to fix the router, and have a fixed resolver set on the wlp3s0 connection profile
[18:45] <tonisarom> ok, then I will look into those two options. I wanted to have the laptop get the value directly from the router so I wouldn't need to change the IP address in both my router and laptop, but oh well.
[18:46] <tonisarom> tomreyn: thanks a lot for the help :)
[18:46] <tomreyn> you're welcome
[19:14] <Gallomimia> as i live and breathe.... i just heard nvidia drivers are now open source??
[19:15] <Gallomimia> obviously.... it hasn't found it's way to consumer ready packages yet
[19:15] <oerheks> some drivers, yes
[19:15] <Gallomimia> why'd i figure an expert would say something like that
[19:16] <Gallomimia> let me guess. support for older cards is not part of it
[19:19] <gordonjcp> Gallomimia: mmmm, yes and no
[19:19] <gordonjcp> Gallomimia: there is an open-source kernel driver, yes
[19:19] <Gallomimia> uhm. no and no.
[19:19] <Gallomimia> earliest card it seems to support is 1650's
[19:19] <gordonjcp> Gallomimia: this then loads a closed-source binary firmware into the card
[19:19] <oerheks> x86_64 or aarch64,  any Turing or later GPU
[19:20] <oerheks> say, 2080 and higher
[19:20] <gordonjcp> yeah I don't think older than Turing is really supported
[19:20] <gordonjcp> ye
[19:20] <oerheks> https://github.com/NVIDIA/open-gpu-kernel-modules
[19:20] <Gallomimia> as i suspected, sounds a bit too good to be true. but, i guess maybe a step in the right direction
[19:20] <gordonjcp> Gallomimia: well
[19:20] <gordonjcp> the binary firmware is the "secret sauce", and probably doesn't ever have to change much between kernel versions
[19:20] <gordonjcp> the kernel interface might
[19:20] <Gallomimia> not gonna lie, closet life-long goal: release a GPU with open source drivers.
[19:20] <gordonjcp> so it's a good start
[19:20] <gordonjcp> same
[19:21] <gordonjcp> at least NVidia do support old cards
[19:21] <oerheks> for old gpu' s there is nouveau, pretty good
[19:21] <Gallomimia> barely.
[19:21] <gordonjcp> AMD cards go out of support in about six months
[19:21] <Gallomimia> i can't even use the latest drivers for my card, because of a bug
[19:21] <gordonjcp> "oh you bought it last year?  No driver for you!"
[19:21] <Gallomimia> lol. i bought mine when it was already a year old
[19:22] <Gallomimia> got a decent deal on a 780Ti and it's still makes me happy.
[19:23] <gordonjcp> I currently have a GT1030
[19:23] <gordonjcp> this is juuuust about capable of doing CUDA
[19:24] <oerheks> ati 5450 ..
[19:25] <gordonjcp> oerheks: I'm not about to get into the AMD 7900 rant
[19:26] <gordonjcp> I just wish I could use the damn thing as anything other than a doorstop
[19:45] <manwhowouldbekin> Greetings, all! I am doing some clean up on my local packages listed here https://termbin.com/n8b5 In particular, I am reassigning all the ones from the sury.org PPA to Ubuntu's PPA. For some packages I cannot seem to find an Ubuntu version. For example, https://termbin.com/7mas. Any tips on how I can fix this?
[19:45] <oerheks> manwhowouldbekin, for what ubuntu version?
[19:45] <manwhowouldbekin> oerheks, 22.04
[19:45] <oerheks> 22.04 gives php8 i guess
[19:46] <manwhowouldbekin> oerheks, Should I just remove these, then?
[19:46] <oerheks> so no, no older php7 available. it is 8.1 actually
[19:47] <oerheks> yes, you would not get updates
[19:47] <manwhowouldbekin> oerheks, Makes sense. Thanks!
[19:49] <tomreyn> sury's has both more modules (including badly maintained and legacy ones) and different semantics in general. also those aren't compatible, using a different api version
[19:50] <oerheks> tomreyn +1 ppa-purge would revert those
[19:51] <manwhowouldbekin> tomreyn, I am doing the cleanup we discusses a few days ago! Thanks, again :-)
[19:52] <tomreyn> the one which involves clearing out the list produced by    apt list --installed | grep ',local\]$'     #?
[19:53] <manwhowouldbekin> tomreyn, Correct.
[19:53] <tomreyn> nice
[20:02] <manwhowouldbekin> oerheks, What about a status like this https://termbin.com/4ul0 from 'sudo apt policy php8.1-xmlrpc'. Does it give a valid Ubuntu PPA substitute?
[20:03] <murmel> manwhowouldbekin: as you can read, apt even gives you the ubuntu archive version
[20:05] <manwhowouldbekin> murmel, Running 'sudo apt install php8.1-xmlrpc=3:1.0.0~rc3-2' does not succeed. Hence, my question.
[20:07] <manwhowouldbekin> murmel, Nevermind. It succeeded now.
[20:29] <manwhowouldbekin> Could someone tell me why reinstalling this package from Ubuntu's PPA makes the system want to remove a whole lot of needed packages? How can I avoid this? https://pastebin.com/A6GCVTYN
[20:29] <eelstrebor> anyone else having trouble with both thunderbird and firefox crashing? first it was just firefox but now both are crashing at random times
[20:31] <manwhowouldbekin> eelstrebor, Seem to work well for me on Ubuntu 22.04 and most recent updates.
[20:31] <eelstrebor> i'm on ubuntu 20.04
[20:39] <tomreyn> manwhowouldbekin: you're not reinstalling the same version, but donwgrading (from the sury version to the ubuntu one, which should be fine).  why are you saying these packages which are listed as no longer required (and could be removed with 'autoremove') are 'needed'?
[20:40] <manwhowouldbekin> tomreyn, For instance, I am definitely planning to use 'sagemath' and need it for sure.
[20:40] <manwhowouldbekin> tomreyn, Same for jupyter notebook.
[20:41] <tomreyn> manwhowouldbekin: list the *main* packages you wish to keep as additional arguments on the apt install (downgrade) command
[20:42] <tomreyn> start with just one and see how the output changes
[20:43] <tomreyn> and optionally add -V to see which versions this is about (to get a better idea of whether these can just be incompatible package versions)
[20:45] <manwhowouldbekin> tomreyn, Could you give an example of this command? I am not sure I follow. 'sudo apt install libpcre16-3=2:8.39-13ubuntu0.22.04.1 sagemath'?
[20:45] <tomreyn> manwhowouldbekin: exactly
[20:46] <tomreyn> maybe also check whet sagemath is the right version with    apt policy sagemath
[20:46] <tomreyn> if it's not the ubuntu version but you wan tth eubuntu version, you specify its version as well with another =...
[20:47] <tomreyn> as in 'sudo apt install libpcre16-3=2:8.39-13ubuntu0.22.04.1 sagemath=thatversionthatsinyourubunturelease'
[20:47] <manwhowouldbekin> tomreyn, Sagemath is Ubuntu version.
[20:48] <tomreyn> so just specify the package name
[20:48] <tomreyn> sudo apt install libpcre16-3=2:8.39-13ubuntu0.22.04.1 sagemath
[20:49] <manwhowouldbekin> Here is the output of 'sudo apt install libpcre16-3=2:8.39-13ubuntu0.22.04.1 sagemath' https://termbin.com/mxvx
[20:51] <tomreyn> add libpcre3-dev=2:8.39-13ubuntu0.22.04.1    (or whatever is the ubuntu version of this package)
[20:52] <tomreyn> or you could use ppa-remove against the sury ppa
[20:52] <tomreyn> i mean ppapurge, sorry
[20:52] <tomreyn> !ppa-purge
[20:52] <manwhowouldbekin> tomreyn, Didn't I try that last time?
[20:52] <tomreyn> i do not know / remember
[20:53] <tomreyn> i've had mixed results with it
[20:53] <tomreyn> but if it works it can make things much easier
[20:54] <manwhowouldbekin> tomreyn, I am reluctant to purge the PPA automatically now since apt is trying to remove much needed packages. Manual way might be more reliable :/
[20:55] <manwhowouldbekin> tomreyn, When I try to install that package via 'sudo apt install libpcre3-dev=2:8.39-13ubuntu0.22.04.1' this happens: https://termbin.com/2cjj
[20:56] <enigma9o7[m]> remove that ppa
[20:57] <enigma9o7[m]> manually jus tdelete the list file
[20:57] <enigma9o7[m]> then run update
[20:57] <enigma9o7[m]> at least then apt policy wouldn't have installation candidates from place you're tryiing to remove stuff from
[20:58] <tomreyn> manwhowouldbekin: you need to find small groups of packages with close relationship, such as all the wrongly versioned pcre packages, and install / downgrade them to their ubuntu target version at the same time
[20:59] <tomreyn> i also usually do what enigma9o7[m] just explained
[21:00] <manwhowouldbekin> tomreyn, Just nuke the whole PPA? What are the risks for that? Might I lose some "needed" packages?
[21:00] <tomreyn> why would there be any needed packages in there?
[21:02] <tomreyn> first just remove (or comment out) the ppa apt source and then    sudo apt update    and then know which packages need to be worked on because they'll be 'conveniently' listed on the    apt list --installed | grep ',local\]$'    output
[21:03] <enigma9o7[m]> remove the ppa so that means you can't install from it anymore.  but stuff you already installed is still okay and cached.
[21:04] <enigma9o7[m]> but at least then your apt errors wont be because its trying to install from that ppa anymore, you'll have other issues instead to deal with ;)
[21:05] <enigma9o7[m]> but my understanding is you didnt want to install anything more from there, and ideally revert anything you already installed from there to ubuntu official versions.  so thats fine.
[21:06] <manwhowouldbekin> enigma9o7[m], Thanks! I am looking at "ls -lha /etc/apt/sources.list.d/" and the .list file is not there for this sury.org PPA.
[21:06] <enigma9o7[m]> Then check your main source.list file
[21:06] <enigma9o7[m]> iit has to be one of those places, either in main source.list or something in source.list.d
[21:07] <oerheks> if one used the ppa-purge function, it is removed indeed
[21:07] <oerheks> reboot?
[21:07] <oerheks> ( as it might be in cache)
[21:08] <tomreyn> "apt update" updates this cache
[21:10] <tomreyn> manwhowouldbekin: so run "sudo apt update && apt policy"  nd check whether the output there still lists the sury php ppa
[21:11] <manwhowouldbekin> enigma9o7[m], I do not see it in either place. Unless it is under some other name. I am looking for something like *sury*
[21:12] <manwhowouldbekin> tomreyn, It is not there.
[21:12] <oerheks> if you are not sure, pastebin the output of apt update?
[21:12] <enigma9o7[m]> Well just check the actual files in source.list.d
[21:12] <enigma9o7[m]> i mean how many are there, how many ppas do you have?
[21:12] <enigma9o7[m]> there shouldnt be too many to check unless you've gone ppa crazy anyway
[21:13] <manwhowouldbekin> enigma9o7[m], About 20-30 or so.
[21:13] <enigma9o7[m]> or you could cat /etc/apt/sources.list.d/* | grep sury
[21:13] <enigma9o7[m]> that might work
[21:13] <enigma9o7[m]> if you dont wanna look manually
[21:13] <enigma9o7[m]> Great Scott!
[21:14] <manwhowouldbekin> oerheks, Here is the ouput https://termbin.com/ci83
[21:14] <enigma9o7[m]> I'm sure there are fancy commands you can use to search all the files and let yo know which one contains it... i realized my cat/grep combo wont tell you which file it came from, but it will prove its there (or not)
[21:15] <tomreyn> sudo grep -hEv '^([ ]*#.*)?$' /etc/apt/sources.list{,.d/*.list} |& nc termbin.com 9999
[21:15] <oerheks> pinned packages.. why?
[21:16] <oerheks> apt update would show how many can be updated, and held back
[21:16] <manwhowouldbekin> oerheks, No idea about pinned packages. Not even sure what that means.
[21:17] <oerheks> somehow you freezed those packages, it is called pinning
[21:17] <oerheks> !pinning
[21:17] <manwhowouldbekin> oerheks, The output you see is of 'sudo apt update && apt policy'
[21:18] <tomreyn> i think this is probably just the default-release pin
[21:18] <manwhowouldbekin> tomreyn, Output of your command https://termbin.com/vad6
[21:19] <tomreyn> do you have files in /etc/apt/preferences.d/ ?
[21:19] <tomreyn> do you have /etc/apt/preferences ?
[21:21] <manwhowouldbekin> tomreyn, No.
[21:21] <tomreyn> the remaining apt repositories look like they could work
[21:21] <tomreyn> i guess you can just continue from where you left off
[21:21] <manwhowouldbekin> tomreyn, Doing it manually package-by-package?
[21:21] <tomreyn> sudo apt install libpcre16-3=2:8.39-13ubuntu0.22.04.1
[21:22] <tomreyn> optionally adding "sagemath"
 manwhowouldbekin: you need to find small groups of packages with close relationship, such as all the wrongly versioned pcre packages, and install / downgrade them to their ubuntu target version at the same time
[21:23] <manwhowouldbekin> tomreyn, That's what I thought. Need to sign off for tonight, but will continue with this. Thanks y'all!
[21:24] <tomreyn> it *may* get easier the next round ;)
[21:24] <tomreyn> good night
[23:40] <nesoi> trying to upgrade a 16.04 ubuntu EC2 to 18.04 and then 20.04. The upgrade to 18.04 just asked if I want to replace the grub configuration that was "locally modified". Any insight?
[23:41] <arraybolt3[m]> nesoi: Have you modified any of your GRUB configuration?
[23:41] <enigma9o7[m]> Do you multiboot (have other OS installed)?
[23:41] <nesoi> I don't
[23:41] <EriC^^> nesoi: /etc/default/grub or so was modified
[23:41] <enigma9o7[m]> a lot of times those prompts allow you to do a "D" difference
[23:41] <nesoi> right but I didn't modify it. Wondering if it needs some AWS modifications that I shouldn't remove
[23:41] <enigma9o7[m]> and it'll show you what its gunna change for your review
[23:41] <nesoi> yes I see that but don't know what the commands do actually
[23:41] <enigma9o7[m]> Did you add anything to your linux command line?  things like mitigations=off or noapic or something
[23:42] <arraybolt3[m]> nesoi: That's the most likely thing I would guess. Are you able to make snapshots or backups?
[23:42] <oerheks> it is easier to get a fresh ec2 image..
[23:42] <enigma9o7[m]> If you do the D difference, and share the screenshot, it'll be useful to us...
[23:42] <enigma9o7[m]> it will show +something for lines that add something
[23:42] <enigma9o7[m]> and -something for somethiing t hatr was removed
[23:42] <nesoi> oerheks: say more? I'll have to reinstall all software though, no?
[23:44] <nesoi> https://i.postimg.cc/3xGzV5zC/Screen-Shot-2022-06-23-at-4-42-35-PM.png
[23:44] <enigma9o7[m]> If you install clean, of course you would have to reinstall any software you want.
[23:44] <enigma9o7[m]> But installing clean would be a good idea, why not install 22.04 for that matter.
[23:44] <nesoi> doesn't look like much of a change really
[23:44] <nesoi> enigma9o7[m]:  I was going to upgrade to that after testing 18.04
[23:44] <enigma9o7[m]> yeah those changes dont matter
[23:45] <enigma9o7[m]> just affect if its popping up automatically etc
[23:45] <enigma9o7[m]> but for one OS dont matter
[23:45] <nesoi> so keep existing grub config?
[23:46] <enigma9o7[m]> they did actually make one change, commenting your grub_consele=terminal line.  I'd hav eto check docs to see what that does
[23:47] <enigma9o7[m]> oh duh or i can just read
[23:47] <enigma9o7[m]> " uncomment to disable graphical terminal"
[23:47] <enigma9o7[m]> so you had disabled graphical terminal before
[23:47] <nesoi> right I don't use graphical terminal
[23:47] <enigma9o7[m]> so maybe there was a reason, so yeah i'd stick with original
[23:48] <enigma9o7[m]> but it probably makes no difference
[23:49] <nesoi> how about this one? https://i.postimg.cc/k4ScXqFf/Screen-Shot-2022-06-23-at-4-48-14-PM.png
[23:50] <nesoi> not sure why it's removing the host key?
[23:50] <arraybolt3[m]> nesoi: I dunno what it's doing or why, but make a snapshot or a backup. This looks like the perfect environment for things to go haywire.
[23:52] <nesoi> you guys think I should just start with a new AMI?
[23:52] <oerheks> from 16, i would start fresh
[23:53] <enigma9o7[m]> Ya, even config files you have changed, the new version of software may have changed default config file format etc....
[23:53] <nesoi> I don't have a list of all the software that would have to be reinstalled though. Wonder if there's a tool that will take an inventory and then reinstall everything on a new system?
[23:53] <enigma9o7[m]> There is.
[23:53] <nesoi> cool
[23:53] <nesoi> what is it? :)
[23:54] <enigma9o7[m]> I think it can be done with the basic stuff if you know what you're doing, like with apt or dpkg itself.  But others hopefully can answer, or you can find a tutorial on the web, etc.... sorry
[23:56] <nesoi> hm.anyone here know how to do that?
[23:57] <tomreyn> do you have a file /var/log/installer/initial-status.gz ?
[23:57] <EriC^^> nesoi: comm -23 <(apt-mark showmanual | sort -u) <(gzip -dc /var/log/installer/initial-status.gz | sed -n 's/^Package: //p' | sort -u)
[23:58] <tomreyn> :)
[23:58] <EriC^^> nesoi: that gets you pretty close, then manually remove some and you're good to go, sudo xargs -a /list/you/made apt-get install -y , iirc