[12:07] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[19:46] <Eickmeyer> Ugh, reporting bugs in Plasma 5.25.1 is near impossible when drkonqi crashes too.
[19:55] <mmikowski> 5.21.1 cross platform testing is underway.  We are still seeing widgets corrupting on logout, destroying any user configuration each time. Plasma is also crashing constantly when changing themes. Good news is vertical panels are now feasible again, although their widget order must be reversed from 5.24.x. @Eickmeyer @RikMills
[19:56] <mmikowski> Full desktop regression testing is underway.
[19:57] <mmikowski> During a testing session, because we change the themes, we will 3-4 plasmashell crashes.
[19:58] <Eickmeyer> mmikowski, RikMills: Considering the crashing when changing themes was present in 5.24, I don't see that as blocking. The vertical panel is unique to Focus and we can release that fix simultaneously. My intention was to report the crash with further backtracing in 5.25.1, but that appears to be blocked by the drkonqi issue I noted above.
[19:59] <Eickmeyer> See https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=454946
[20:06] <mmikowski> Eickmeyer: Imagine you get all the support calls and handle them for free. Now is it non-blocking?
[20:08] <mmikowski> RikMills: Eickmeyer: Widget moving confirmed on other themes as well. So if a user drops widgets on the desktop, they get moved around. Screenshots incoming.
[20:08] <mmikowski> Eickmeyer: agreed about vertical panel. 
[20:08] <mmikowski> Although there are lots of other vertical panels in use by multiple distributions.
[20:09] <Eickmeyer> mmikowski: When you become the Kubuntu release manager, that becomes your call. Until then, that's RikMills's call.
[20:10] <Eickmeyer> This is a meritocracy.
[20:11] <mmikowski> Eickmeyer: I'm trying to underscore that impact of this failure. You don't see this as a serious issue because you don't provide the support. For the team that does, it's a bigger issue.
[20:11] <Eickmeyer> mmikowski: No, I understand completely, but you can't step on volunteers' toes.
[20:13] <mmikowski> I'm not stepping on anyone's toes. We're volunteering all this testing with the intent of helping identify and fix problems.  How is this stepping on toes? You said it's not a big deal. I disagree for the reasons stated.
[20:15] <mmikowski> Moving on, widget moving  is occuring in Breeze Dark.
[20:16] <mmikowski> So it does not appear specific to any theme. It may be due to display configurtions (4k vs. QHD vs. FHD, for example).
[20:17] <mmikowski> ok,  BBIAB, testing secure boot migration :P
[20:20] <Eickmeyer> mmikowski: Looking at the bug report, it has more to do with frameworks and less to do with plasma itself, which means it's not going to be fixed even in 5.25.2. It would need a new frameworks release at best, which means we'd be looking at Frameworks 5.96 at best. 
[20:20] <Eickmeyer> So, the crash isn't going away any time soon, unfortunately.
[20:21] <Eickmeyer> And yes, I filed the bug report, but then noticed the versioning of the bug report was against frameworks and not against plasma itself, and that should've been the hint all along.
[20:24] <mmikowski> ah, thanks Eickmeyer
[20:25] <mmikowski> BTW, migration to secure boot is complete. It was extremely simple.
[20:26] <mmikowski> Eickmeyer: Good point about 5.24 also crashing. Sorry, almost no sleep last night. You're right, it doesn't appear that 5.25 makes it more broken.
[20:29] <mmikowski> So that leaves widgets moving around. This was bad in 5.24, and it got worse in 5.25. Now any custom widgets move on any sign-out. We will have the severity clarified after the reports come in.
[20:29] <mmikowski> But on some display configurations, it's 100% reproducable.
[20:30] <Eickmeyer> mmikowski: We might just have to play with the custom layout and see if we can come up with something tolerable, or find an alternative.
[20:38] <mmikowski> Eickmeyer:  I think we have a few options, but none of them free, and of course, we need to quantify how frequent this is occuring. Testa are still ongoing, but it appears while 1080p is generally ok, any other display configuration looks problematic.
[20:39] <mmikowski> ok, gotta reboot. bbiab.
[20:39] <Eickmeyer> mmikowski: k
[20:53] <mmikowski> Eickmeyer: Spoke too soon about sboot. Third-part drivers are a problem.
[20:53] <mmikowski> *third-party
[20:53] <Eickmeyer> mmikowski: Yeah, and I investigated my M1 and I was wrong, secure boot is off, but I'm still able to boot with Win 11. I think I got mixed-up, TPM must be on, Secure Boot is optional somehow.
[21:12] <Eickmeyer> mmikowski: /join #kde-devel
[21:12] <mmikowski>  /join #kde-devel
[21:12] <mmikowski>  /join #kde-devel
[21:13] <Eickmeyer> Heh
[22:15] <RikMills> mmikowski: Eickmeyer: thanks for all that. I'll read this properly in the morning my time
[22:22] <mmikowski> RikMills: Just sending you a message. Got an idea for 5.25.x for your consideration.
[22:23] <Eickmeyer> ^ And IIII helped. :)