[00:00] <nesoi> cool, thanks EriC^^, I'll check it out
[00:00] <tomreyn> I assume /var/log/installer/initial-status.gz may not actually exist on AMIs, though
[00:00] <nesoi> tomaw:  I'm concerned with stuff I installed though
[00:01] <tomreyn> this file is to get a baseline which you then made changes on
[00:01] <tomreyn> it's part of the command EriC^^ posted above
[00:01] <nesoi> tomreyn I mean
[00:02] <nesoi> right
[00:02] <nesoi> that file doesn't exist
[00:02] <alch3mist> hey all, recently upgraded to 22.04, however now if I have my display resolution set at 4k (2160P) or 1440p, I get random black screens where the screen seems to go out for few seconds and then comes back and sometimes it stutters and then goes out. on 2160p resolution it happens more often and on 1440p less so. if I set it to 1080p, then it basically goes away. I have a NUC7i5BNK with 8gb of ram, and per specs sheet, it should sup
[00:02] <alch3mist> k with one monitor connected (my current set up) or 1440p if 2 monitors are connected
[00:03] <EriC^^> nesoi: tomreyn maybe he can use some manifest file from ubuntu's website?
[00:03] <nesoi> is there any reason not to upgrade to 22.04 vs 20.04 or 18.04?
[00:04] <oerheks> we officially wait for 22.04.1 as releasepoint
[00:04] <oerheks> 20.04 certainly can be considered stable
[00:05] <tomreyn> EriC^^: maybe http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/xenial/ubuntu-16.04.7-server-amd64.manifest - that's if its amd64 (there is also i386)
[00:05] <nesoi> well interestingly, that upgrade finished but does not seem to have kept my installed software somehow
[00:06] <nesoi> it looks like it deleted it as "obsolete packages"
[00:06] <nesoi> which kind of makes the entire point of the process moot
[00:07] <tomreyn> https://askubuntu.com/questions/2389/how-to-list-manually-installed-packages#answers says "Other possibilities *don't work as well*: - Using the ubuntu-14.04-desktop-amd64.manifest file (here for Ubuntu 14.04) instead of /var/log/installer/initial-status.gz. More packages are shown as manually installed even though they are not."
[00:08] <EriC^^> nesoi: comm -23 <(apt-mark showmanual | sort -u) <(wget -qO- http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/xenial/ubuntu-16.04.7-server-amd64.manifest | cut -f1 | sort -u)
[00:08] <nesoi> thanks EriC^^
[00:09] <oerheks> so, you have obsolete packages that are likely without support, or worse..
[00:09] <nesoi> what do you(all) think about upgrade removing my software?
[00:09] <nesoi> they aren't
[00:09] <oerheks> make a good plan, what do you do with a vm?
[00:10] <nesoi> EriC^^:  that one liner works, but it shows a large number of packages I didn't install
[00:10] <EriC^^> nesoi: i guess you could parse /var/log/apt/history.*
[00:11] <tomreyn> nesoi: what does this print?   dpkg --print-architecture
[00:11] <nesoi> amd64
[00:12] <tomreyn> well that at least ;)
[00:12] <tomreyn> okay then i have no better suggestions
[00:12] <alch3mist> hey all, recently upgraded to 22.04, however now if I have my display resolution set at 4k (2160P) or 1440p, I get random black screens where the screen seems to go out for few seconds and then comes back and sometimes it stutters and then goes out. on 2160p resolution it happens more often and on 1440p less so. if I set it to 1080p, then it basically goes away. I have a NUC7i5BNK with 8gb of ram, and per specs sheet, it should sup
[00:12] <alch3mist> k with one monitor connected (my current set up) or 1440p if 2 monitors are connected
[00:12] <alch3mist> any suggestions is appreciated
[00:13] <tomreyn> nesoi: have you considered moving to containers, or at least a deployment solution such as ansible? how are you using this server?
[00:13] <tomreyn> is it just one of many, is it part of a larger architecture?
[00:13] <tomreyn> is this a business, a hobby project?
[00:14] <nesoi> tomreyn:  I haven't really considered it, but not sure how that would help
[00:14] <nesoi> containers seem problematic for various reasons
[00:16] <nesoi> it's a server for doing some research
[00:17] <tomreyn> nesoi: is there data on there that you cannot afford to loose? or just configurations?
[00:18] <arraybolt3[m]> alch3mist: What graphics do you have?
[00:18] <nesoi> no graphics
[00:18] <nesoi> oh sorry
[00:18] <nesoi> notme
[00:18] <arraybolt3[m]> alch3mist: Open a terminal and do "lspci | nc termbin.com 9999" and send the link it spits out, that will let me see details about your hardware.
[00:18] <nesoi> no data, it's just that I don't have a record of what all was installed, so it would be nice to not have to reinstall everything
[00:18] <nesoi> data is on another volume
[00:18] <arraybolt3[m]> nesoi: apt list --installed
[00:18] <nesoi> or volumes
[00:19] <arraybolt3[m]> nesoi: Also "snap list"
[00:19] <arraybolt3[m]> nesoi: That will tell you everything installed on your system (so long as you installed it through apt or snap).
[00:20] <EriC^^> nesoi: zgrep -h "Commandline: apt-get install" -A2 /var/log/apt/history.log.* | grep -Ev "Requested-By|Commandline|End-Date" | sed -e 's/^Install: //' -e 's/^Reinstall: //' -e 's/([^()]*)//g' -e 's/ , /\n/g' -e '/^--$/d'
[00:21] <nesoi> arraybolt3[m]:  thanks and that is right, although a bunch of that was not installed by me
[00:21] <tomreyn> nesoi: as tempting as upgrading my seem, it really is going to both involve manually updating a lot of configurations, and you may still end up with failing services, and, for sure, an unclean installation with leftover files in /etc and possibly elsewhere.
[00:21] <EriC^^> wait that cant be right 1 sec
[00:22] <arraybolt3[m]> EriC^^: LOL I can't hardly tell what it does, so you're doing better than me!
[00:22] <tomreyn> nesoi: so i'd just get the list of manually installed software, clean it up manually, backup data and /etc and install a fresh 22.04 AMI, setting up services again (probably all manually if it's a single system).
[00:22] <EriC^^> arraybolt3[m]: it's messy i just wrote it but i think apt also lists the dependencies in the Install: line
[00:23] <nesoi> EriC^^:  it seems to be listing the dependencies
[00:24] <EriC^^> i think ill just use the command line and get the packages from there
[00:24] <arraybolt3[m]> nesoi: Strongly agreeing with tomreyn here, upgrading from one release to another gives you an awfully high chance of messing up everything in various interesting ways. I don't ever upgrade my systems, clean installs only.
[00:24] <tomreyn> nesoi: lsof -i   will list services listening and connecting elsewhere, but your security group should also hint on that.
[00:24] <nesoi> I don't have any new services installed
[00:29] <nesoi> EriC^^:  does that one-liner work? :)
[00:30] <EriC^^> nesoi: i think this should do it, zgrep -Eh "Commandline: apt-get install|Commandline: apt install" /var/log/apt/history.log.* | cut -d" " -f4- | sed -e 's/^--reinstall //'
[00:32] <EriC^^> it assumes though that apt was used with just --reinstall maybe, so it could pick up other arguments in the list, but i think it should get you close to the list enough, also i think it wont show packages you installed via software center
[00:33] <nesoi> right, it's missing most stuff because I didn't use apt :(
[00:33] <nesoi> but it did find some I would have forgotten
[00:34] <EriC^^> nesoi: if you show something you installed using software center in that history file i can modify it to look for those instead
[00:34] <EriC^^> zgrep some-program-you-installed /var/log/apt/history.log.*
[00:34] <nesoi> I actually don't even know what software center is
[00:35] <EriC^^> how did you install the software?
[00:35] <nesoi> probably downloading it
[00:35] <arraybolt3[m]> nesoi: Appimages? Or dreaded "sudo make install"? Or...?
[00:36] <nesoi> make install etc
[00:37] <arraybolt3[m]> nesoi: Check your .bash_history, that may be your best bet.
[00:37] <EriC^^> yeah that's a tough one :D
[00:37] <arraybolt3[m]> nesoi: Also, start using "sudo checkinstall" rather than "sudo make install", that will save you from b0rking your VM and may save you from problems similar to this in the future.
[00:37] <EriC^^> also see your /root/.bash_history in case
[00:38] <arraybolt3[m]> ^^
[00:39] <EriC^^> if you wanted to get granular, or desperate, you could parse /var/log/auth.log for sudo make install, and look at what the PWD was to maybe get an idea of the program you were installing
[00:39] <EriC^^> that's like desperation level 100 though
[00:40] <nesoi> for whatever reason my .bash_history doesn't go back very far
[00:41] <nesoi> so upgrades just don't work well it seems?
[00:42] <arraybolt3[m]> nesoi: Not particularly, but especially not with "make install"'d software in the system - your upgrade may shred the whole thing, since apt has no way of knowing what you installed or where it put stuff when you use make install.
[00:42] <nesoi> I don't know why it deleted all my old software rather than letting me upgrade it
[00:42] <arraybolt3[m]> nesoi: Checkinstall does about the same thing as "make install", but it packages the software you're installing into an apt package, allowing you to uninstall it safely and find what you're looking for in the future.
[00:42] <nesoi> it deleted stuff that doesn't seem to have been installed with apt-get
[00:43] <nesoi> like /usr/bin/R
[00:43] <nesoi> gone
[00:43] <nesoi> with your one-liner EriC^^ R was not installed with apt-get
[00:43] <arraybolt3[m]> nesoi: "make install" doesn't tell apt anything about what it's doing, so apt has no way of knowing how to work around it. So apt may do things that should be safe but actually shred your system, possibly including deleting files that get in its way.
[00:43] <nesoi> yet upgrade deleted it
[00:44] <nesoi> why would that happen?
[00:44] <EriC^^> nesoi: zgrep "sudo.*COMMAND=/usr/bin/make" /var/log/auth.log.*
[00:45] <nesoi> nothing found EriC^^
[00:45] <tomreyn> unknown, unless you have logs? but it's really pretty moot at this point. you won't be able to migrate your 'make install' software builds to a newer release anyways.
[00:45] <EriC^^> anything with     zgrep "make install" /var/log/auth.log.* ?
[00:46] <tomreyn> nesoi: this was in response to <nesoi> it deleted stuff that doesn't seem to have been installed with apt-get
[00:46] <nesoi> nothing EriC^^
[00:46] <nesoi> yeah it deleted R and all R packages although they were not installed with apt-get
[00:47] <tomreyn> maybe it tried to clean up your system a little so that it could still work after the upgrade
[00:47] <nesoi> it deleted something like 286 "obsolete" packages rather than giving any chance to upgrade
[00:47] <nesoi> ok but if something doesn't work, you can usually still upgrade it
[00:48] <arraybolt3[m]> alch3mist: You still there?
[00:48] <tomreyn> the recommendation remains the same: backup and reinstall. just use actual apt installed debian packages from ubuntu repositories next time, then you'll have a better chance for a release upgrade
[00:49] <nesoi> not all software exists in those repos
[00:50] <tomreyn> then build your own .deb's or use PPAs or take notes on how you installed the additional software and how you can uninstall it later, and how you'll keep it patched
[00:56] <nesoi> it also seems to have uninstalled required dependencies like:
[00:56] <nesoi> bcftools: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libcurl.so.4: version `CURL_OPENSSL_3' not found (required by bcftools)
[00:57] <nesoi> I thought the idea of "upgrade" as opposed to "new install" was that an upgrade… upgrades, and doesn't require starting from scratch
[00:57] <tomreyn> if conditions are met, correct.
[00:58] <nesoi> ok, but in this case some software requires specific versions of packages, and upgrade appears to have decided to just uninstall them rather than keeping them
[00:58] <nesoi> is there a way to get it to not do that?
[00:58] <nesoi> like, if I start over, can I get it to do an actual upgrade?
[00:59] <arraybolt3[m]> nesoi: The moment you type "sudo make install", everything goes up in the air, similar to undefined behavior in C. There's no telling what will happen at that point, unless you want to dig into all the details of where the software puts stuff and things like that. This sort of behavior may not be expected, but once you've done a make install, "expected" isn't a concept any longer.
[01:00] <arraybolt3[m]> nesoi: If you don't sidestep the package manager, then yes, an actual upgrade should work so long as you're careful to make sure it's not going to do anything weird (though upgrades are notorious system-busters).
[01:00] <nesoi> it seems fairly easy: I want to do an upgrade and not remove anything that actually doesn't work
[01:00] <nesoi> is there a way to do that?
[01:00] <nesoi> I don't want it to remove things just because they are "obsolete" unless they are known to not work, and in that case I want it to install a newer version or give the option
[01:04] <oerheks> without proper information, what programs you want to convert to 20.02/22.04, you can talk away but nobody can give help.
[01:05] <oerheks> if these are company programs, seek help there?
[01:05] <nesoi> oerheks:  what I would like to know is if there is a way of doing an OS upgrade and have the upgrade process not delete all the stuff it doesn't recognize
[01:06] <nesoi> just upgrade whatever it actually needs to upgrade and leave everything else alone
[01:06] <oerheks> nope, that is not going to happen.
[01:07] <nesoi> so there's no option that can be selected to not wipe out random stuff if it doesn't recognize it? I don't understand how it can delete things from /usr/bin for example
[01:08] <oerheks> why?
[01:09] <nesoi> for an OS upgrade I want it to upgrade the OS, not things which are not required by the OS. If other things break, then they can be upgraded separately. That's the idea. Is there any way to do that?
[01:10] <nesoi> like, if I write some software, the OS shouldn't delete it because it doesn't know what it is
[01:10] <oerheks> time passes by, software gets better, changing from an ancient 16.04 to a current supported release can be confusing, read the releasenotes and get updates for your unknown programms.
[01:10] <oerheks> the change to python3 is a huge example
[01:10] <nesoi> sure, my point is I don't want the upgrade process to just wipe things out
[01:11] <oerheks> then back them up?
[01:12] <nesoi> the entire point of an upgrade is that it's supposed to not wipe out what was there already, as opposed to a new install in which you are expected to start over, no?
[01:12] <nesoi> not sure how I would know what to back up that isn't part of the OS
[01:13] <ravage> "upgrade" takes care of programs that were installed through the provided package system. you are responsible for any programs you manually added to the system. thats just how it is
[01:13] <nesoi> right, that's what I want
[01:13] <nesoi> what I don't want is for "upgrade' to delete things it doesn't take care of
[01:14] <ravage> it doesnt
[01:14] <nesoi> it did
[01:14] <oerheks> that is between your program vendor and you// as you are kinda vague, what do you expect? your are out of support without ESM.
[01:14] <oerheks> lolz
[01:14] <nesoi> no vendor
[01:14] <nesoi> it deleted R
[01:14] <nesoi> for example
[01:15] <oerheks> no, thanks.
[01:21] <nesoi> ?
[01:22] <nesoi> old system has /usr/bin/R, after upgrade its gone. Should that happen?
[01:22] <nesoi> it seems wrong to me for it to just willy nilly delete stuff like that
[01:22] <nesoi> and I was hoping there was an option to tell it not to do it
[01:23] <nesoi> am I an idiot for thinking that upgrades shouldn't go around deleting your software, and if they do you should be able to tell them not to?
[03:49] <Guest537> hi
[07:56] <lotuspsychje> im trying to test a mainline kernel; https://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v5.17.7/ but i get a lot of unmet dependencys
[07:57] <lotuspsychje> im trying the amd64 one
[07:58] <alkisg> lotuspsychje: are you trying to dpkg -i all .debs together (modules included), or just the kernel?
[07:58] <alkisg> If it depends on the modules or even the extra modules, you need to specify them all in the same dpkg line
[07:59] <lotuspsychje> alkisg: no, im installing them one by one via software centre
[07:59] <alkisg> That won't work
[07:59] <alkisg> You can apt install ./.deb or dpkg -i ./.deb, but not one-by-one
[07:59] <lotuspsychje> it used to work on earlier releases
[07:59] <alkisg> At some point they included the modules in the kernels, and it was big like 60 MB
[07:59] <lotuspsychje> ok lemme try
[08:00] <alkisg> Then they splitted it to -modules etc; so if the kernel is small you can't install it without its modules
[08:02] <alkisg> See an example there: https://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v3.3.1-precise/ ==> the kernels there don't use separate -modules packages, are bigger, and can be installed without dependencies
[08:04] <lotuspsychje> succes alkisg sudo dpkg -i worked
[08:04] <alkisg> 👍️
[08:04] <alkisg> `apt install ./*.deb` is better as it ensures there are no unmet dependencies
[08:04] <lotuspsychje> tnx mate
[08:05] <lotuspsychje> apt doesnt complain, seems fine
[08:05] <KBar> yeah, dpkg is too low-level for such things (i.e. installing a bunch of packages)
[08:07] <lotuspsychje> now lemme try booting it for my flicker bug
[08:10] <lotuspsychje> wohoo party!
[08:10] <KBar> yay!
[08:10] <lotuspsychje> flickering has resolved here
[08:10] <BedMan> dpkg -i is like trying to use a scalpul to cut a tree limb
[08:11] <BedMan> apt is a better tool for the job
[08:11] <KBar> yes, it is apt
[08:11] <KBar> ;)
[08:12] <lotuspsychje> bug #1958191
[08:12] <lotuspsychje> finaly
[08:13] <KBar> lotuspsychje: see how easy that is? now try beating that, microsoft!
[09:06] <user7_> Hello folks .. looking for help to install Web browser IceCat on Ubuntu 18.04.6  and updating it .  Seems there is only a version from 2019 I can download.  Any resources to help update the downloaed file.  Instructions etc to update with latest capabilities and security ?
[09:07] <user7_> can anyone confirm this is a working channel please
[09:08] <sonOfRa> it is, but everyone here is here on their own accord and not being paid to be here
[09:09] <user7_> Understood. Im not looking for paid support. dont expect that from an open source project :)   Im just curious if all the people logged on are active.  Thanks.  And Ive asked a question that may have an interest to multiple people
[09:10] <dsc_> people will eventually respond, if the question is relevant for them
[09:10] <user7_> Thank you for the response. I appreciate knowing channel is functional :)   Have a nice night.
[09:13] <user7_> For anyone interested in a secure Web browser for Ubuntu ... Icecat came recommended to me after some research online
[09:14] <dsc_> I dont think many people use icecat, which is reflected in the amount of people answering your question(s) here
[09:15] <user7_> Are there any other Web browsers for Ubuntu 18.04.6  that are as secure ?    I just found the e cat channel.. #icecat  But would love any feedback on other browsers you all found to be secure as Icecat or better.  Thanks
[09:16] <user7_> thanks for the feedback dsc_    may I ask what you use,  and is it a secure solution  regarding privacy and security ?
[09:22] <alkisg> user7_: https://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/gnuzilla/ seems to have latest release = 2019
[09:22] <alkisg> So if upstream has died, there's not much distributions can do
[09:23] <alkisg> If it's not up to date, it's certainly not secure
[09:23] <alkisg> firefox and chrome would be a whole lot more secure
[09:27] <dsc_> user7_: I personally use firefox
[09:28] <user7_> Thanks dsc_
[09:30] <KBar> user7_: promotions are not allowed (latent or blatant). stick to support questions allowed
[09:31] <KBar> regarding secure browsers. duckduckgo has launched its own, although its not available for linux just yet
[09:33] <user7_> Kbar , thanks for the feedback.   What promoting are you refering to ?  because I mentioned an open source software and requesting feedback or advice on finding something similar ?
[09:34] <user7_> Ohhh ..  you dont like other channels mentioned in your chat .... wow.  if that is the case. Im sorry.
[11:33] <ice9> how to run apt hook only if a specific package is upgraded?
[11:38] <wez> ice9: perl script I reckon
[12:07] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[12:43] <schraubritter80> what would be the easiest/recommended way to tell either the plasma "display" controls or the nvidia driver gui to offer all possible resolutions regardless of EDID etc.? I had seen some info on the web about changing several xorg.conf parameters, is there some more high-level flag somewhere?
[13:21] <iffraff> Hi, I have recently upgraded to 22.04.  I have a laptop with intell gpu and an external 4k monitor.  every 10 minutes or so the system seems to disconnect the monitor for about 5 seconds then it comes back as a 1080p.  Can someone help me diagnose this?
[13:21] <KBar> iffraff: when you're afk/idle?
[13:22] <wez> :\
[13:22] <iffraff> nope workin away.  just drops me right in the middle of typing
[13:23] <iffraff> I've looked at this file ~/.config/monitors.xml and it seem correct even when the monitor is at low res
[13:28] <iffraff> just happened again, so I guess it doesn't matter if I'm in 4k or low res it still cuts out.  It has even cut out of low res and returned as 4k but only once sadly
[13:32] <iffraff> looks like it's actually more like every 5 minutes.  just happened again.  uggg.  I'll wait for a bit and try back.
[13:42] <Maik> iffraff: you sure the cable is plugged in correctlY
[13:42] <leftyfb> iffraff: you sure the hdmi cable you're using is good enough quality to provide constant 4k?
[13:43] <iffraff> Yep, I was going to mention, early on I wondered if perhaps I was hitting the cord with my foot, you know, giggling it but I have ruled that out.
[13:43] <Maik> iffraff: also, look for bug reports on Launchpad about the matter. If there's none, open one.
[13:44] <iffraff> leftyfb: so ... I mean, it has been working for a long time.  I don't know if these cables degrade or if maybe it was just barely enough, idk
[13:56] <tomreyn> iffraff: all cables degrade, as does any other hardware. trying it with a different cable can be worth it. i previously suggested looking at the bug tracker, and filing a bug, if none found, too. i also suggested reviewing logs - but do not remember whether you responded on this, or what, if so.
[13:59] <iffraff> tomreyn: yes, thank you. So I unplugged the html ( thinking I had another htmi -> usb c which I don't ) and when I plugged it back in it was 4k. it's been ~8 minutes :) so far so good.  I am now starting to believe it may be a cable issue.  I am hesitant to file a bug for what could be a hardware issue.  I'm already a bit embarrased that it may be a cable and I'm here trying to diagnose it like it's a software issue.
[13:59] <tomreyn> you unplugged the html cable? :)
[14:00] <tomreyn> i assume you mean HDMI
[14:00] <tomreyn> that or DP
[14:01] <tomreyn> try getting a new cable then
[14:01] <iffraff> It's been a very long time since I dug into any logs and I don't remember what to run.  Is there any log that my show that the cable is too weak?
[14:01] <iffraff> also yes :) I'm diagnosing problems in my setup and at work.  so no html cables :) just hdmi -> usb c
[14:01] <tomreyn> maybe at work someone even has a cable they could borrow you for 5 minutes to test
[14:02] <iffraff> So it stands to reason that unplugging the cord would ... giggle it around a bit and may resustate it for a bit.  It's been working for longer than usual, so I'm going with crappy cord for now.
[14:02] <iffraff> Thank you all, and sorry to bother you with some day 1 stuff.
[14:08] <iffraff> @tomreyn and others, is there some spec that would indicate a cable is good enough quality for 4k? I mean you can pay $100 for a Monster cable or $12 for an off brand one, and I have no sense that either one is good.  There must be some other metric than cost.
[14:10] <tomreyn> iffraff: you may get better replies to hardware questions on a #hardware channel
[14:11] <iffraff> yes, makes sense. Figured I y;all alredy know my context. I'll try over there though.  Thanks
[14:58] <geri> hi is there a smill docker image for ubuntu 22.04?
[15:00] <geri> i build a binary on ubuntu 22.04 and want to run it on the slimest image possible
[15:01] <aib0> hello?
[15:02] <jhutchins> geri: I know they've been working on the images and they should have a basic one available.
[15:02] <jhutchins> !docker
[15:02] <geri> you mean ask in docker channel?
[15:02] <geri> i cant enter for some reason :/
[15:03] <jhutchins> geri: https://hub.docker.com/_/ubuntu
[15:03] <jhutchins> geri: You might just need to register your nick.  Read the message.
[15:03] <geri> ok did enter
[15:04] <jhutchins> geri: The exclamation is an attempt to trigger our brain-dead bot.
[15:04] <geri> jhutchins where you see the slim image?
[15:05] <jhutchins> geri: I don't.  Not a container guy.
[15:08] <Maik> geri: slim image... do you mean a minimal iso?
[15:16] <murmel> geri: the only docker images are those you can find on docker hub (at least officially)
[15:34] <jwash> hi guys i have motion running https://i.imgur.com/rzZh9T2.png my webcam. as you can see, i can open it from my local pc, but i can not on my network.
[15:34] <jwash> i have added a firewall rule for 8081, ssh is working.....
[15:35] <jwash> does anyone have experience setting up a webcam and making visible to the internet?
[15:35] <jwash> i have opened a port forward rule in my router also
[15:38] <ravage> jwash, maybe motion only listens on 127.0.0.1 ?
[15:38] <jwash> it's used for multiple cameras
[15:38] <jwash> and as a webcam solution
[15:38] <jwash> so that doesn't seem likely
[15:40] <ravage> proof :)
[15:40] <kamrul> hi this is my first time , visiting a irc :(
[15:43] <kamrul> i have upgraded my os to 22 lts today, when i open multiple tabs on my vivaldi browser the text on tabs kinda breaks :9
[15:48] <ioria> kamrul, have you tired to start it from terminal ?  vivaldi-stable --no-sandbox
[15:50] <kamrul> no
[15:50] <kamrul> i am doing it now
[15:51] <kamrul> the issue still remians
[15:52] <ioria> kamrul, and what's the output in terminal ?
[15:52] <kamrul> libva error: vaGetDriverNameByIndex() failed with unknown libva error, driver_name = (null)
[15:52] <kamrul> [7446:7446:0624/215045.705852:ERROR:image_generic.cc(77)] Unable to decode PNG for 1.
[15:52] <kamrul> [7446:7446:0624/215047.070217:ERROR:CONSOLE(1)] "syncDetachedTabInformation: The message port closed before a response was received.", source: chrome-extension://mpognobbkildjkofajifpdfhcoklimli/bundle.js (1)
[15:52] <kamrul> [7446:7446:0624/215051.243447:ERROR:CONSOLE(0)] "Uncaught (in promise) Error: A listener indicated an asynchronous response by returning true, but the message channel closed before a response was received", source: chrome-extension://mpognobbkildjkofajifpdfhcoklimli/browser.html (0)
[15:52] <kamrul> [7446:7446:0624/215101.627335:ERROR:CONSOLE(0)] "Uncaught (in promise) Error: A listener indicated an asynchronous response by returning true, but the message channel closed before a response was received", source: chrome-extension://mpognobbkildjkofajifpdfhcoklimli/browser.html (0)
[15:52] <kamrul> [7479:7479:0624/215105.969681:ERROR:gl_surface_presentation_helper.cc(260)] GetVSyncParametersIfAvailable() failed for 1 times!
[15:53] <ioria> !paste | kamrul
[15:54] <ioria> kamrul,  try with   '--disable-gpu'
[15:55] <kamrul> vivaldi-stable --no-sandbox with this command ? or seperately
[15:56] <ioria> kamrul,  vivaldi-stable --disable-gpu
[15:56] <ioria> kamrul,  but consider that vivaldi is not supported on ubuntu
[15:57] <kamrul> oh should i tuse other browser other than vivaldi then?
[15:58] <kamrul> ioraia --disable gpu command seems to fix the problem
[15:59] <ioria> kamrul,  you use what you want... but ubuntu supports firefox and chromium
[15:59] <kamrul> nvm i will switch to chromium then
[16:01] <kamrul> thank you ioria
[16:01] <ioria> kamrul,  it's ok
[16:08] <ice9> in post apt hook, how to check for the upgraded package name?
[16:14] <jhutchins> I wonder if kamrul was running vivaldi in a container?  I wonder if switching to chromium fixed the problem.
[16:15] <jhutchins> ice9: What are you actually trying to do?
[16:16] <ice9> jhutchins, run script if a specific package is upgraded
[16:16] <jhutchins> Seems like a human interface would be good for that.  One more reason not to mess with unattended upgrades.
[16:19] <ztane> using firefox snap, 22.04, pretty sure hovering stopped working in wayland... grr
[16:19] <oerheks> one can spot a package that gets updates; apt list —upgradable | grep <package>
[16:19] <dsc_> > snap
[16:19] <oerheks> not sure afterwards
[16:19] <oerheks> yes snap
[16:21] <dsc_> no.
[16:21] <ztane> like, no mouse events are passed through unless clicked, I wouldn't call this much of advance :/
[16:21] <oerheks> ztane, bare metal or in a VM ?
[16:21] <ztane> bare
[16:21] <ravage> my firefox hovers links just fine
[16:22] <oerheks> same here
[16:23] <ztane> it is worse than just hover, I could not draw in google jamboard by dragging yesterday, I just realized today that hovers do not work *anywhere*, neither are mouse cursors changed unless I click :D
[16:23] <ztane> hmmmm strange then, maybe I need to see if there are pending updates... and restart this wayland too.
[16:24] <ravage> cant test with wayland here. nvidia victim :)
[16:25] <ztane> haha
[16:26] <oerheks> rabut there is egl-wayland
[16:26] <oerheks> ravage
[16:26] <ztane> not sure if this intel garbage is better, fast as a snail.
[16:26] <ravage> "work in progress library" sound not stable
[16:27] <ravage> and Xorg works without any errors
[16:27] <ravage> i dont miss wayland atm
[16:27] <oerheks> oh oke
[16:28] <ztane> I just am too old for messing around with system, just want something that works. do-release-upgrade shove snap firefox and wayland down my throat so here we are
[16:28] <ravage> ztane, logout. select your username. click the gear icon. select Xorg
[16:29] <oerheks> ztane, there is choice, logout, switch to Xorg session and login again
[16:38] <ogra> FWIW, to find upgradeable snaps you use "snap refresh --list" ... (as equivalent to "apt list —upgradable")
[17:33] <ztane> well, I just installed everything, logged out and logged in to wayland and ... hovering works in firefox again
[17:34] <ztane> "have you tried turning it off and on again"
[17:53] <alkisg> # clamscan /usr/lib/firefox/browser/features/webcompat@mozilla.org.xpi
[17:53] <alkisg> /usr/lib/firefox/browser/features/webcompat@mozilla.org.xpi: Archive.Test.Agent2-9953724-0 FOUND
[17:53] <alkisg> I guess clamav doesn't like the firefox update for 20.04? Can someone else confirm the false positive?
[17:53] <tommy_> whats the point of building a bot on irc???? like advertisement???? anyone know??
[17:54] <oerheks> tommy_, here the bot ubottu is a channel helper.
[17:55] <oerheks> alkisg, https://github.com/Cisco-Talos/clamav/issues/620 false
[17:55] <alkisg> Yeh I was just reading that one; thank you oerheks
[17:55] <tommy_> cool thanks
[18:13] <BedMan> ztane: sometimes just logging off and on again is enough
[18:13] <BedMan> instead of reinstalling everything
[18:16] <ice9> what does it mean if a snap package is listed as "disabled" however this app runs and get updates too?
[18:17] <kristijonas> Hello, I'd like to ask if it's possible to have a LiveUSB Ubuntu (to try it / as emergency) with proprietary drivers for BCM43142 wi-fi card?
[18:17] <enigma9o7[m]> It means snap still needs work.
[18:17] <enigma9o7[m]> krist: sure its possible
[18:18] <enigma9o7[m]> but does the broadcomm license allow you to do it?
[18:18] <enigma9o7[m]> not like Hock Tan is gunna hassle you tho if you do it for personal use.
[18:19] <kristijonas> enigma9o7[m], Debian has https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/ that's what I'd need to have for Ubuntu, right?
[18:20] <enigma9o7[m]> Ubuntu includes non-free int heir regular installer, dont need aseperate one.
[18:20] <enigma9o7[m]> During install it asks if you're okay with 3rd party drivers.
[18:20] <enigma9o7[m]> But if debian includes the driver and ubuntu doesnt, that's kinda surprising.
[18:21] <enigma9o7[m]> debian has two different isos because their official one is 100% FOSS.
[18:21] <enigma9o7[m]> but ubuntu doesnt care about that
[18:25] <kristijonas> The laptop doesn't have hard-drive, and I want to have it as emergency laptop that would work with wifi from USB stick in "try it" mode
[18:25] <kristijonas> currently I have a USB stick with 18.04 and it doesn't recognize a wifi device
[18:28] <u0_a2048> doing full disk-encryption when you first install ubuntu is that a good idea?   i know probably booting is a little slower since the data needs to be decrypted but is there any other draw backs from doing this full disk encryption
[18:28] <u0_a2048> and is it secured
[18:29] <enigma9o7[m]> krist: itd be a lot easier to install it, even onto aother usb drive, than figure out how to build your own live image with that driver, if you're not already familiar with such things
[18:33] <ravage> u0_a2048, yes
[18:35] <enigma9o7[m]> u0: i think its dumb personally, but its opinion
[18:35] <enigma9o7[m]> do you need to hide child porn or something?  sure do it
[18:35] <enigma9o7[m]> otherwise you're just causing possible complications and making troubleshooting harder
[18:35] <enigma9o7[m]> encryption complicates things
[18:36] <enigma9o7[m]> But, if you think the government might be stealing your computer, or you're afraid if you get robbed what a robber would find on your pc, then use it.
[18:36] <ice9> why snap doesn't remove old versions automatically?
[18:37] <enigma9o7[m]> to keep people getting mad
[18:37] <enigma9o7[m]> from getting mad
[18:37] <enigma9o7[m]> nobody likes it when their pc startws removing stuff automatically
[18:37] <enigma9o7[m]> well maybe somebody does
[18:38] <Noxturnix> auto update is scary
[18:38] <ravage> ice9, sudo snap set system refresh.retain=2
[18:38] <ravage> that will keep 2 versios
[18:40] <ice9> thanks ravage but honestly, snap has been always a trouble until now in everything, I hope canonical terminate it and just keep apt
[18:40] <u0_a2048> ok  im just tweeking and trying and doing new things  ill just get an old pc to try it just to see what i see
[18:41] <ravage> ice9, not gonna happen. also off-topic. see #ubuntu-discuss
[20:00] <webchat62> hi.
[20:00] <webchat62> nice to meet you.
[20:00] <PeGaSuS> Hello webchat62. Welcome to #ubuntu support channel. How can we assist you today?
[20:01] <enigma9o7[m]> Me?  Yeah thanks
[20:01] <webchat62> When I will be able to do dist-upgrade from 20.04 to 22.04?
[20:01] <enigma9o7[m]> August 4th, or you can force it right now with a switch.
[20:01] <webchat62> -d ?
[20:02] <enigma9o7[m]> but of course if you do it now, youre more likely to run into issues than waiting til the first point release.
[20:02] <PeGaSuS> webchat62: when 22.04.1 will be out, probably in August
[20:02] <webchat62> Ok.
[20:03] <PeGaSuS> I've been running Ubuntu 22.04 since its release and didn't faced any major issues. worth to note that I use my laptop mainly to watch youtube, irc and ssh
[20:04] <enigma9o7[m]> Clean install, or upgrade?
[20:04] <enigma9o7[m]> Anyways lota people have upgraded fine, and the minor issues some run into can be resolved.
[20:08] <PeGaSuS> I did an `do-release-upgrade -d --allow-third-party` and all went smoothly
[20:17] <llanhmod> Hey guys... looking to install visualvm and noticed that apt package comes with ant. Im using Gradle, is there any way I can get VisualVM without ant or is this just not possible?
[20:23] <enigma9o7[m]> is ant a seperate package?  the only depends i see for visualvm are "default-jdk (>= 2:1.11) | java11-sdk, libnb-platform18-java (>= 12.1), libvisualvm-jni" with no reccomends.
[20:24] <enigma9o7[m]> but of course one of those other things might require or recommend it
[20:24] <enigma9o7[m]> in any case, what you can try if you want is adding `--no-install-recommends` when you install it
[20:24] <llanhmod> hm... wondering if that would get me a bad install
[20:25] <llanhmod> but..recommends are not requires...so...maybe not
[20:25] <enigma9o7[m]> well, it no longer includes ant on the list
[20:25] <enigma9o7[m]> or you can just insatll it as normal then remove ant
[20:25] <enigma9o7[m]> it does seem ant is a seperate package, a reccommend of one of the dependencies (or its dependencies)
[20:26] <llanhmod> metered connection here
[20:26] <llanhmod> but okay
[20:28]  * enigma9o7[m] uploaded an image: (670KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/EIHQLOzRykvaWEMCWPNrqQaC/Screenshot%20from%202022-06-24%2013-27-57.png >
[20:28] <enigma9o7[m]> well depending on what you have installed already, there is a difference......
[20:28] <Psil0Cybin> how much does ant take up? hmm
[20:28] <llanhmod> I dont know Psil0Cybin ... didnt want to find out either
[20:28] <Psil0Cybin> makes sense.
[20:33] <enigma9o7[m]> well you can check how much ant is by itself by installing it (or test installing it)
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[20:33] <enigma9o7[m]> for me its a 44mb download and 175mb install
[20:34] <enigma9o7[m]> (including depends & reccommends)
[20:34] <enigma9o7[m]> but for you it may be different depending what you have already
[20:37] <Psil0Cybin> hmm interesting okay
[20:37] <Psil0Cybin> thanks for that info enigma9o7[m].
[20:37] <Psil0Cybin> 44mb isnt too bad
[20:38] <enigma9o7[m]> plus probably some of those depends might be needed for the main thing he was installin ganyway, so probably even less.
[20:39] <enigma9o7[m]> as shown i dont have java at all
[20:55] <u0_a2048> i just wanted to know if this is something usefull and for what
[20:55] <oerheks> yes? where do you read that , and how is it related to ubuntu support?
[20:57] <u0_a2048> i read it on linuxconfig.org  and since its supported by ubuntu i thought i could get an opnion of its use
[20:58] <oerheks> snaps mount as a squashfs, but i have no clue what a loop-device is
[20:59] <u0_a2048> want me to give you the link
[21:25] <Psil0Cybin> sure i will read the link
[21:29] <jhutchins> u0_a2048: Perhaps an example would be a file that is an image of a filesystem and can be mounted and treated as a device.
[21:30] <jhutchins> u0_a2048: I have several iso images mounted as shared filesystems (read-only).
[21:32] <rfm> u0_a2048, this is all kind of offtopic for #ubuntu, but loop mounts can be used by various container platforms so the container's filesystem is separated for the host.  also used as jhutchins said, to look at the files in an iso without having to burn it to a disk...
[21:39] <u0_a2048> psil0cybin:https://linuxconfig.org/how-to-create-loop-devices-on-linux
[21:41] <u0_a2048> rfm:yeah i understand better now
[22:19] <jhutchins> In my case, I'd have to have a half-dozen optical disk drives, and the access time's much better.
[22:20] <gordonjcp> jhutchins: no-one has to have an optical drive any more
[22:20] <gordonjcp> jhutchins: they went obsolete 20 years ago
[22:21] <jhutchins> gordonjcp: You do if you haven't already ripped the disc.
[22:30] <cbreak> optical? Bah. LTO-8 is where it's at.
[22:31] <gordonjcp> jhutchins: can't remember the last time I had an optical disc to rip tbh
[22:31] <gordonjcp> jhutchins: I do have OS9-x86 somewhere though
[23:02] <jhutchins> gordonjcp: I have an 18" 1MB platter.
[23:20] <arraybolt3[m]> I've got some original "floppy" floppy disks around here somewhere.
[23:21] <arraybolt3[m]> (Got them from a thrift store in an old software package, didn't realize the disks were the wrong ones for the old computer we were using.)