[00:06] <ravage> src, you should use virtualenv with your python projects
[00:06] <ravage> and only update python packages system wide via apt
[00:36] <mybalzitch> anyone with wsl2 under win11 using konsole from backports? the URL hilighting wont' work for me
[00:36] <mybalzitch> oh, wrong profile. everythings fine. thank you
[00:40] <srv> i use
[00:40] <srv> wsl2
[00:40] <srv> but that question about wsl you should do it on #windows-wsl
[00:41] <srv>  this is just for ubuntu support
[02:31] <lastleo85> IRC for Hackers
[02:31] <lastleo85> Please Guide
[02:31] <arraybolt3[m]> lastleo85: #security
[02:33] <lastleo85> arraybolt3[m], Thanks
[02:33] <arraybolt3[m]> lastleo85: You might also checkout #kali-linux on
[02:33] <arraybolt3[m]> lastleo85: 👍️
[02:33] <arraybolt3[m]> Ack, send a message on accident...
[02:33] <arraybolt3[m]> lastleo85: OFTC also has a #kali-linux channel that might be interesting for cybersecurity stuff.
[02:34] <lastleo85> arraybolt3[m], Got it
[02:34] <Psil0Cybin> #networking can help also. lastleo85.
[02:35] <lastleo85> Psil0Cybin, Joined
[02:37] <lastleo85> All guys seem to be asleep this is the only place to get ans! :(
[02:38] <arraybolt3[m]> lastleo85: If you're using Ubuntu or an official Ubuntu flavor, we'd be happy to help! (So long as you're not doing anything illegal, of course, LOL)
[02:40] <src>  /exit
[02:40] <src> ŝry
[03:21] <NeverWent> Hello, um how do I stop lb config in ubuntu to just default to ubuntu?
[03:22] <NeverWent> I've tried lb config -d bullseye
[03:22] <arraybolt3[m]> NeverWent: Hello! Not sure what "lb config" is. Could you clarify?
[03:22] <NeverWent> live-build config
[03:23] <NeverWent> I'm trying to build a debian iso
[03:23] <NeverWent> https://manpages.debian.org/testing/live-build/lb_config.1.fr.html
[03:24] <arraybolt3[m]> NeverWent: Hmm. I've never used that tool, but you may have more luck on the #debian channel. #ubuntu only offers support for Ubuntu and official Ubuntu flavours.
[03:24] <arraybolt3[m]> Oh, wait, you're trying to build a debian ISO on Ubuntu. Nevermind.
[03:25] <NeverWent> Yeah
[03:25] <NeverWent> If I was on Debian, I probably wouldn't have this problem
[03:25] <ravage> my advice is to install lxd and run a bullseye container and build it in there
[03:25] <ravage> almost no overhead and you are actually running debian
[03:26] <arraybolt3[m]> Another, more easy solution, might be to install Debian in a VM (using gnome-boxes or the like). It's not as fast, but it's WAY easier to set up than LXD.
[03:26] <ravage> lxd setup is answering 5 questions
[03:26] <ravage> and you are done
[03:26] <NeverWent> Really? Isn't there a better way to use lb config?
[03:27] <arraybolt3[m]> NeverWent: We'll keep looking. That's a quick fix, but there might be a better way.
[03:27] <arraybolt3[m]> ravage: I guess I was trying to do awfully advanced stuff in LXD when I fought with it, but it was a NIGHTMARE for me...
[03:28] <NeverWent> Thanks, all I want is an initial tree for debian
[03:28] <NeverWent> The debian manual seems to assume that I'm starting up on debian
[03:29] <ravage> that is a sane assumption
[03:29] <arraybolt3[m]> NeverWent: Is it possible that Ubuntu's livebuild has a config change that's messing you up? Check /etc/live/build.conf and /etc/live/build.d.
[03:30] <NeverWent> ravage: perhaps, but not helpful
[03:31] <NeverWent> No such file or directory
[03:32] <arraybolt3[m]> Ugh. I've got no clue then.
[03:33] <NeverWent> What happens in your system if you create a file and run "lb config -d bullseye"?
[03:34] <NeverWent> Can you please check?
[03:34] <Psil0Cybin> /etc/live/build/*
[03:34] <arraybolt3[m]> NeverWent: Sure, give me a minute.
[03:35] <Psil0Cybin> stupid question on my end is live build used to create a new debian image, or like an image with the current configurations?
[03:36] <arraybolt3[m]> NeverWent: P: Creating config tree for a ubuntu/amd64 system
[03:36] <NeverWent> Psil0Cybin: /etc/live doesn't exist
[03:36] <NeverWent> arraybolt3[m]: at least that confirms that its not my problem but ubuntu's
[03:38] <arraybolt3[m]> NeverWent: Yeah, not sure what to do to fix it then. I mean, there's probably some way, but if you want a quick solution, LXD or a virtual machine might get you to your intended solution quicker (though you're welcome to wait for help here if you'd prefer).
[03:38] <Psil0Cybin> true never mind i have to read more up on live build - - https://live-team.pages.debian.net/live-manual/html/live-manual/customizing-package-installation.en.html
[03:38] <Psil0Cybin> did not even know how to add packages to the live build
[03:38] <Psil0Cybin> from the guide its says to build against the system you are using
[03:39] <NeverWent> arraybolt3: its just that there has to be a better way right?
[03:39] <NeverWent> but probably I'll go down that route
[03:39] <NeverWent> This just seems incredibly silly
[03:42] <arraybolt3[m]> NeverWent: Welcome to the deep guts of Linux development. End-user use is pretty well polished, programmer use is fantastic, but start messing with the guts of distro development, and there's a lot of silly to go through. I'm over here making a RISC-V 64 dev environment on my Intel-based desktop for Linux development.
[03:44] <Psil0Cybin> arraybolt3[m]: wow hats off to you.
[03:44] <NeverWent> Wow that's so cool
[03:44] <NeverWent> I really want more support and access with the RISC-V
[03:45] <NeverWent> By the way fixed the problem
[03:45] <arraybolt3[m]> NeverWent: Nice going!
[03:45] <NeverWent> So almost every goddamn guide seems to assume that you start in debian
[03:45] <NeverWent> If you dont, you simply use
[03:45] <Psil0Cybin> NeverWent: and arraybolt3[m] have to say thank you for this convo teaching me a lot also.
[03:45] <NeverWent> --mode debian
[03:46] <NeverWent> I had checked the doc for defaults
[03:46] <arraybolt3[m]> Psil0Cybin: It's not as awesome as it sounds, it's just a lot of waiting for QEMU. Plus, my core-dev trainer/friend is able to make RISC-V enabled PPAs (which is apparently tricky!), so he's able to get the ONE FILE I need for the package I'm fighting with.
[03:46] <Psil0Cybin> NeverWent: could you link that doc, want to read and learn also
[03:46] <Psil0Cybin> :)
[03:46] <NeverWent> should have checked global
[03:46] <NeverWent> just a sec
[03:47] <Psil0Cybin> ty my friend.
[03:47] <NeverWent> https://manpages.debian.org/testing/live-build/lb_config.1.fr.html
[03:47] <Psil0Cybin> oh true same one from before okay thank you 🙏
[03:47] <NeverWent> You might also benefit from the debian manual regarding live installs
[03:47] <NeverWent> https://live-team.pages.debian.net/live-manual/html/live-manual/toc.en.html
[03:47] <NeverWent> Teaches a ton
[03:48] <NeverWent> You're welcome
[03:48] <NeverWent> Thanks for the help everyone
[03:48] <NeverWent> https://live-team.pages.debian.net/live-manual/html/live-manual/overview-of-tools.en.html#301
[03:49] <NeverWent> That specific part explains the tools including lb config
[04:41] <tatsumaru2> hey guys, I am doing 'chmod +x hello.py' on a program but it doesn't become executable. Any ideas why?
[04:42] <tatsumaru2> it works if I do it through the DE, but not termina
[04:42] <tatsumaru2> terminal*
[04:42] <BadAtom> have you got the path set correctly?
[04:43] <tatsumaru2> I am not sure, how can I check?
[04:45] <descent> how are you trying to run it
[04:46] <descent> you tye "python3 hello.py"
[04:46] <descent> type
[04:46] <tatsumaru2> descent: I don't have a problem running it, I have a problem making it executable.
[04:46] <tatsumaru2> it runs fine if I make it executable from within the DE, but it won't become executable from within the terminal
[04:47] <BadAtom> you have to set the shebang line at the top of the file to "#!/usr/bin/env python"
[04:48] <tatsumaru2> BadAtom: is this required for chmod to do its thing?
[04:48] <BadAtom> it's required for the script to be able to find the interpreter to run it
[04:49] <BadAtom> without that, there's nothing to execute
[04:49] <tatsumaru2> BadAtom: I don't have a problem running it, my problem is that after I do 'chmod -x' the file doesn't change permissions to executable
[04:50] <BadAtom> because you haven't got the shebang line set, or not set correctly
[04:50] <BadAtom> "ls -l filename" will show you what you've set for the permissions
[04:51] <tatsumaru2> -rw-r--r--
[04:52] <BadAtom> are you listed as the owner of the file?
[04:52] <tatsumaru2> for the record I do have the shebang line setup: #!/usr/bin/env python
[04:52] <tatsumaru2> BadAtom: yes
[04:53] <BadAtom> and are you launching it with "./filename" or "/home/username/filename"?
[04:54] <ravage> what is the output of your chmod command?
[04:54] <tatsumaru2> ravage: no output, just a new line
[04:55] <tatsumaru2> ravage: actually not a new line as in a text editor, but a new terminal line
[04:55] <ravage> that sounds right
[05:00] <jdmark> Sup
[05:01] <jdmark> I'm Linux is fine on my elitebook
[06:27] <silly_scriben> cONCEPT ENTERS MY MIND: cAN i DIRECTLY UPGRADE FROM 20.04 TO 22.04 AND NOT HAVE TO REFORMAT THE PARTITION?
[06:27] <silly_scriben> Ooops no caps.
[06:29] <arraybolt3[m]> silly_scriben: Yes, but please save yourself a potential migraine and back up your data BEFORE trying this. Upgrades are known to go south somewhat frequently.
[06:29] <arraybolt3[m]> silly_scriben: You can get a cheap external hard drive like a WD EasyStore from Best Buy, reformat it, and copy all your personal data there.
[06:31] <arraybolt3[m]> silly_scriben: Once that's done, you can prepare to upgrade your system by installing the latest updates with "sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade". Once that's done, remove any software you installed through PPAs. Once that's done, you can try "sudo do-release-upgrade -d". If all goes well, you will be allowed to upgrade, and everything will hopefully just work.
[06:33] <arraybolt3[m]> silly_scriben: (Final note - Upgrades from 20.04 to 22.04 usually aren't allowed until a bit after 22.04.1 is released, for the sake of stability. The "sudo do-release-upgrade -d" command bypasses this limitation, but if you need high levels of stability in your setup, you may consider waiting before upgrading. On the other hand, I'm running 22.04 as my daily driver, and everything works just fine.)
[06:34] <silly_scriben> I have a couple of pocket drives already (with  the exact same info on them. (A, B backup) aka Not that Newby
[06:35] <arraybolt3[m]> silly_scriben: Very good. I've just seen so many upgrades go wrong that I always say "backup first!" any time the concept of upgrading to a new Ubuntu release comes up.
[06:35] <silly_scriben> arraybolt3[m],  how will I know which was? (I cant remember wtf I installed. )  [ remove any software you installed through PPAs]
[06:36] <arraybolt3[m]> silly_scriben: "ls /etc/apt/sources.list.d" in a terminal. That should tell you the PPAs on your system IIRC.
[06:36] <silly_scriben> I appreciate being reminded of things, NP.
[06:38] <silly_scriben> arraybolt3[m], Yes, that is the list of PPA's ( and I didnt knwo that so thatnks) BUt NOW how do I find out what softwarz I have installed thru those PPA's ---AND--- how do I remove software. I have never eve3r done that. (Grin)
[06:39] <arraybolt3[m]> silly_scriben: https://askubuntu.com/questions/307/how-can-ppas-be-removed I believe you're looking for "ppa-purge".
[06:40] <PeGaSuS> idea: `do-release-upgrade -d --allow-third-party` will try to upgrade the PPAs also and only disable those that don't work. (I did it myself)
[06:41] <arraybolt3[m]> Hey, neat!
[06:43] <PeGaSuS> https://askubuntu.com/questions/1238908/do-release-upgrade-disables-third-party-software-sources-easy-way-to-re-enable
[06:44] <PeGaSuS> or `RELEASE_UPGRADER_ALLOW_THIRD_PARTY=1 do-release-upgrade -d` -- I've used the former and worked for me from 20.04 to 22.04
[06:50] <silly_scriben> arraybolt3[m], links are great. Mucho gassho. and PeGaSuS  Thanks. I will compy because I am tired. No good comes from changing a system tired.
[06:51] <silly_scriben> :)
[06:52] <silly_scriben> saved.
[06:52] <PeGaSuS> yw & stay safe :)
[06:52] <silly_scriben> u2
[06:53] <arraybolt3[m]> 👍️
[07:29] <moha> We have Microsoft DHCP server that identifies Ubuntu machines with a long string as unique ID, but strings change per restart, resulting to a new IP assigning to the machine that makes some faults in our service designs. If we change the identifier in netplan settings to mac, it works well with no more change in IP; But why the Ubuntu default behaviour does not work well? Is there any solution to use those string, but not change
[07:29] <moha> accidentally!?
[07:48] <moha> We have Microsoft DHCP server that identifies Ubuntu machines with a long string as unique ID, but these strings change per restart, resulting new IP assigning to the machine. If we change the identifier in netplan settings to mac, it won't change the IP anymore; Is there any solution to use default setting, but not change in the unique ID?
[08:37] <bobdobbs> Hi all. I'm troubleshooting video issues, so I replaced the proprietary nvidia driver with nouveau. After a reboot all my networking settings have dissapeared. I cannot connect to the net.
[08:38] <bobdobbs> I'm using gnome. And on the top right of my desktop screen, there is usually an icon with a wifi logo. That has gone. And there don't seem to be any wifi-related options in the settings dialogues
[09:03] <bobdobbs> ok, as part of my network troubleshooting I have plugged in an ethernet cable direct to my home router. There's still no network connection
[09:03] <bobdobbs> It's bizarre: removing a video driver has nuked my networking
[09:12] <bobdobbs> Also, if use the KDE system dialogue to look at hardware settings, I don't see any network hardware
[09:13] <bobdobbs> Now, I'm running a dual-boot system. I booted into windows. From there I can connect to the network via wifi or ethernet just fine.
[09:25] <bobdobbs> Does gnome have a way for the user to probe hardware?
[09:26] <bobdobbs> WIth the KDE dialogue I can see network settings, but not hardware.
[09:27] <dkfke> check the boot log
[09:28] <dkfke> look for "firmware" and your wifi's driver name
[09:28] <Liblx> Hello, is it better for my laptop and the battery to put it in hibernation mode before pausing for 1-2 hours several times a day or is it better to keep it running? Thank you!
[09:49] <bobdobbs> I'd love some help with this if anyone is available. After changing my video drivers and rebooting, the networking system on my computer running ubuntu 22.04 has dissapeared. The networking icons from the top-right hand of the desktop have dissapeared. I can't access the network either by wifi or ethernet.
[09:51] <murmel> bobdobbs: that does sound weird. did it work before the driver change?
[09:52] <Guest34> I'm building a .deb file and I'm trying to install docker and nomad via the control file. Still, I'm getting the following error when installing the deb file:
[09:52] <Guest34> dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of nunet-dms: nunet-dms depends on docker-ce; however: Package docker-ce is not installed.
[09:52] <Guest34> Same  for nomad.
[09:52] <bobdobbs> Yes, it is weird. It sounds like I might have messed a command, but I can't find anything obvious in my commandline history.
[09:52] <bobdobbs> Yes, the networking was working perfectly before the driver change. I was using wifi, but I've now plugged in an ethernet cable direct to the router to test.
[09:52] <murmel> Guest34: so install docker-ce? (it's the official package by docker.com
[09:53] <Guest34> Shouldn't the installer install those packages when I've listed them as Depends in control tile.
[09:53] <Guest34> murmel ^
[09:53] <bobdobbs> murmel: also, the system in question is dual-boot. If I boot to windows, the networking works just fine
[09:53] <murmel> bobdobbs: what does lspci -vvv | grep -A3 Network say?
[09:53] <murmel> Guest34: no? as docker-ce is not in the repos
[09:54] <murmel> bobdobbs: did you disable fast boot?
[09:54] <murmel> (in windows)
[09:55] <bobdobbs> murmel: I can't copypaste to this chat, cos I'm chatting from a seperate computer. Having said that, that lspci command you gave returns with what looks like a report of a wifi device.
[09:55] <murmel> yes, as I want to know which device you have ;)
[09:55] <bobdobbs> ah, I see
[09:56] <murmel> bobdobbs: make sure you disable fast boot in windows, as it messes quite a bit with other OSes. as it doesn't shutdown anymore (it's hibernate basicalle)
[09:56] <bobdobbs> Copying with eyeballs... DeviceName: RTL811EPV
[09:56] <murmel> bobdobbs: that's okay, I don't need mroe xD
[09:56] <murmel> craptel
[09:57] <bobdobbs> yeah, intel integrated wifi I think
[09:57] <murmel> bobdobbs: rtl is realtek, so no intel ;) except you gave me the lan device
[09:57] <bobdobbs> ah, ok
[09:58] <murmel> but I guess, we should start out with windows, as that's the most obvious thing.
[09:58] <murmel> you can disable it in the power settings -> startup options or the like (you need administrator priv)
[09:58] <bobdobbs> start out with windows? You mean I should disable this fast boot thing?
[09:58] <murmel> Guest34: you following me?
[09:58] <murmel> bobdobbs: yes, as I said, windows doesn't shut down anymore
[09:59] <bobdobbs> murmel: ok. I'll reboot into windows and disable fastboot now
[09:59] <murmel> bobdobbs: https://www.windowscentral.com/how-disable-windows-10-fast-startup
[09:59] <bobdobbs> oh, I should have mentioned. I'm using windows 11... if that makes any difference
[09:59] <Guest34> murmel, yes, I hope same is applicable to nomad. Is using preinst script to manually install the dependency is the way then?
[10:00] <murmel> bobdobbs: same problem ;) same location for disabling
[10:00] <bobdobbs> kk :)
[10:00] <murmel> Guest34: as I said, you would need to depend on the ubuntu docker package (docker) or add the docker repos from docker.com
[10:00] <KBar> Guest34: no. It's not in the repos.
[10:01] <murmel> Guest34: oops, it's docker.io not docker
[10:05] <Guest34> murmel Is says the same Package docker.io is not installed.
[10:05] <Guest34> It*
[10:05] <bobdobbs> murmel: ok, I've disabled fast startup in windows. booting back to ubuntu
[10:05] <murmel> Guest34: so I guess it's not installed?
[10:05] <murmel> bobdobbs: hopefully that fixes it :)
[10:06] <bobdobbs> I'll be over the moon if that does fix it
[10:06] <Guest34> I want to install it as part of my package installation. I'm the .deb creator. I want the docker to be installed with my package.
[10:06] <Guest34> Docker is a dependency to my app. Same with nomad.
[10:07] <bobdobbs> murmel: alas, no. Still no networking. I can't see the networking icons in the desktop bar. And I can't ping google or access the web from my browser.
[10:07] <murmel> bobdobbs: what does this command say?: 'systemctl status NetworkManager.service'
[10:08] <murmel> Guest34: can you share the control file
[10:08] <murmel> ?
[10:09] <KBar> Guest34: do you want to distribute this package? If so, you need to follow the guidelines: https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ & https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/developers-reference/index.en.html
[10:10] <Guest34> KBar which specific part you want me to look at in those documents?
[10:10] <bobdobbs> murmel: sorry, I can't copypast. But the feedback from that command tells me that the network service is running. It also reports that /etc/netwwork/interfaces doesn't exist
[10:10] <murmel> bobdobbs: good
[10:10] <KBar> Another useful tutorial: https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debmake-doc/index.en.html this one outlines how you can debianize a source package and build .debs from it
[10:10] <bobdobbs> yeah, it's a start!
[10:12] <murmel> bobdobbs: are you sure that it's an intel wifi card? if yes make sure that the firmware are installed with 'apt search linux-firmware'
[10:12] <Guest34> murmel https://pastebin.com/8pqW0skg
[10:12] <bobdobbs> I don't know anything beyond the return value of that command from earlier.
[10:13] <bobdobbs> will 'apt-search' be useful at all without a network?
[10:13] <Guest34> KBar I am already successful in creating the debfile. I'm stuck at dependency installation. What are your ideas on that? How can I install those?
[10:14] <KBar> Guest34: your questions will be better answered in #ubuntu-motu or #packaging on irc.oftc.net
[10:14] <murmel> Guest34: well nomad is not in the default repos, so that's already a nogo. additionally, you require docker.io but it conflicts with docker.io
[10:14] <KBar> Guest34: what kind of software is this? Where did you get the source code? Is it your personal project?
[10:14] <bobdobbs> murmel: "apt search firmware" returns... some stuff, but again - I can't copypaste.
[10:15] <murmel> bobdobbs: just make sure that firmware-linux is installed
[10:15] <KBar> bobdobbs: use `whatever_cmd | nc termbin.com 9999`
[10:15] <Guest34> @KBar, yes kind of my personal project.
[10:15] <KBar> and share the link here
[10:15] <bobdobbs> KBar: unforteunalte the problem is that I have no network access. So I can't push anything to a pastebin
[10:16] <KBar> Guest34: if the deps aren't in the repos... you can't really do anything, besides providing them in the package or rewriting your software
[10:16] <KBar> bobdobbs: i see. that certainly shucks!
[10:17] <bobdobbs> murmel: that command seems to tell me that I have three firmware packages installed. One for kernel drivers, one for AP1302 (I don't know what that is) and something for "Xilinux VCU firmware files"
[10:17] <bobdobbs> KBar: ikr! happened at the least convenient time too!
[10:17] <KBar> Guest34: again, you need to ask the right people and read the debian policy
[10:18] <murmel> bobdobbs: you should have 3 search results (which 1 of them is installed). so i guess you just misread it
[10:18] <Guest34> Thank you KBar and murmel.
[10:19] <murmel> Guest34: working?
[10:19] <bobdobbs> murmel: yes, I prolly did misread. I think I have something called "linux-firmware" installed. I conclude this because in an output line indicated that package, this appears: "[installed, automatic]"
[10:20] <murmel> bobdobbs: good. so now back to make sure you have an intel device 'lspci -vvv | grep -A9 Network' does it say iwlwifi on the last row?
[10:20] <murmel> or also the one above that?
[10:20] <bobdobbs> lets see...
[10:22] <bobdobbs> murmel: no, it does not
[10:22] <murmel> bobdobbs: what does it say?
[10:23] <bobdobbs> murmel: I'll have to basically copy the relevant bits by hand... The very first line *might* be of interest:
[10:23] <bobdobbs> pcilib: sysfs_read_vpd: read failed: No such device
[10:23] <murmel> bobdobbs: only the last 2 lines should be interesting
[10:24] <bobdobbs> ok. that saves me some eyestrain
[10:26] <bobdobbs> Capabilities: [c8] Power Management version 3
[10:26] <bobdobbs> Flags: PMEClk- DSI+ D1- D2- AuxCurrent=0mA PME(D0+, D1-,D2-, D3hot+, D3Cold-)
[10:26] <bobdobbs> whoops. That very last substring should say D3Cold+
[10:27] <murmel> bobdobbs: oO. okay that's interesting. as it should say something along the lines of Kernel modules, Kernel driver in use
[10:27] <bobdobbs> I see
[10:28] <bobdobbs> well, I kinda see
[10:28] <murmel> bobdobbs: what does it say?
[10:28] <bobdobbs> Sorry, what does what say?
[10:29] <murmel> bobdobbs: does the output of that command give you anything about which driver it uses?
[10:29] <KBar> bobdobbs: just run `lspci -k` and find the right entry
[10:29] <bobdobbs> In that command output, I don't see anything that looks like information on a kernel module/driver
[10:29] <bobdobbs> kk
[10:30] <murmel> bobdobbs: eh? can you increase the amount what it outputs? something like -A15 and look for the last 2 lines (of that block)
[10:31] <bobdobbs> sorry, that last message was in reference to the previous command you gave me.
[10:31] <KBar> the -k flag should only output kernel drivers and modules in use
[10:31] <murmel> KBar: til xD
[10:32] <KBar> iirc you can also specify a certain interface/domain, or was that for lshw?
[10:32] <bobdobbs> For 'lspci -k', I get a whole heap of output. Scanning it now for the wifi into. I do see something relate to ethernet. Do you think that this might be of interest to us? I have an ethernet cable plugged in currently. When I plugged it in, a little green light comes on from, indicating that the motherboard sees the ethernet connection.
[10:34] <murmel> bobdobbs: but no internet?
[10:34] <bobdobbs> that's right. no webz for bob.
[10:35] <murmel> bobdobbs: other devices have internet?
[10:35] <bobdobbs> Ah, I thnk I see the info for the wifi controller in the output from lspci -k. Copying by hand...
[10:36] <KBar> i read your description briefly and to me it awfully sounds like you blacklisted networking modules.
[10:36] <murmel> KBar: this is what I also "fear"
[10:36] <bobdobbs> murmel: yes. My phone is on wifi. And I'm chatting to you via a laptop, also connected via wifi. Also my mac is getting wifi. As is my amazon device, my ipad and... damn I have too many devices
[10:37] <bobdobbs> blacklisted networking modules?
[10:37] <murmel> bobdobbs: kk, just making sure
[10:37] <murmel> bobdobbs: maybe, that's what we are trying to figure out
[10:38] <bobdobbs> I think I've blacklisted modules before... in the distant past. Racking my brains to recall teh commands and compare them with the commands I used when altering my video drivers just before I lost networking
[10:38] <KBar> bobdobbs: did you do something in /etc/modprobe.d /etc/modules-load.d by any chance?
[10:38] <murmel> bobdobbs: I mean it sounds like you really had a fight with your gpu drivers oO?
[10:41] <bobdobbs> murmel: sorry, this web client dropped my connection
[10:41] <murmel> bobdobbs: np
[10:42] <KBar> did we get `lshw -C network` from you?
[10:42] <bobdobbs> nope. I'll do that now...
[10:42] <KBar> bobdobbs: with sudo
[10:42] <KBar> please
[10:43] <KBar> it will print out each of your network devices. could you tell us their names? (the product field)
[10:43] <bobdobbs> I usually have a root prompt open, cos I do stuff with apache and php-fpm and whatnot
[10:43] <murmel> bobdobbs: apache and php-fpm don't need that much "root" xD
[10:44] <KBar> you probably destroyed some configs while in "root" :)
[10:44] <murmel> is there a specific backports channel for ubuntu? alis says no :/
[10:45] <bobdobbs> Yeah, I see what looks like two sections; product: RTL8125 2.GBE Controller... and product: Wi-Fi 6 AX210/AX211/AX411 160MHz
[10:45] <KBar> murmel: there should have been #ubuntu-backports ?
[10:46] <murmel> idk, alis says there is only #kernel-backports, which is definitely not #ubuntu-backports
[10:47] <KBar> murmel: #ubuntu-motu might be the closest. but for requesting, you're gonna have to file a bug
[10:48] <murmel> KBar: nah, have a bug,
[10:48] <murmel> thanks KBar
[10:48] <murmel> rfp is only through bugzilla?
[10:49] <KBar> murmel: np. did you tag the ubuntu-backporters team in the bug report?
[10:50] <murmel> KBar: i still didn't put in a request. as I was looking into where I need to post the request.
[10:50] <KBar> bobdobbs: what's in the capabilities and bus info fields?
[10:50] <murmel> KBar: additionally, no good experience so far on ubuntu with bugreports :(
[10:50] <bobdobbs> lets see...
[10:51] <KBar> murmel: this https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBackports might be a good start
[10:51] <murmel> KBar: thanks :) last time I looked at that page it was really outdated
[10:52] <KBar> well, the process has been the same for a long time, i'd imagine
[10:52] <bobdobbs> capabilities for ethernet: pm msi pciexpress msix vpd cap_list
[10:52] <bobdobbs> For wifi... the list is exactly the same
[10:52] <KBar> bobdobbs: what about configuration? particularly driver=
[10:52] <murmel> KBar: well as the backports team was basically dead before jammy.
[10:53] <murmel> and imo they are still rather on the slower side. there is not many backports :/
[10:53] <bobdobbs> KBar: I don't see anything for either section that looks like driver info
[10:53] <KBar> yeah, ubuntu strives for stability first and foremost
[10:55] <KBar> bobdobbs: how about its bus info?
[10:55] <murmel> bobdobbs: it should be second to last line
[10:55] <KBar> bobdobbs: we need the numbers after the first 0000:
[10:56] <bobdobbs> for ethernet: after the zeroes: 26:00.0
[10:56] <bobdobbs> for wifi: 28:00.0
[10:56] <KBar> bobdobbs: okay. do this then `lspci -ks 26:00.0`
[10:57] <bobdobbs> kk...
[10:57] <bobdobbs> that gives me info on the ethernet controller. Should I copy it to channel?
[10:57] <KBar> bobdobbs: just the kernel driver in use part
[10:58] <KBar> bobdobbs: btw, when you ran `lshw` did it say UNCLAIMED or whatever for those two devices?
[10:58] <bobdobbs> I don't see anything that looks like kernel driver info
[10:58] <bobdobbs> yes, 'unclaimed' for both
[11:01] <KBar> bobdobbs: whats the value of `grep '^GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT' /etc/default/grub` apart from 'quiet splash'?
[11:01] <KBar> any custom params?
[11:03] <bobdobbs> "command not found:
[11:03] <KBar> bobdobbs: you mistyped it. double check
[11:03] <bobdobbs> whole output: GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet: command not found
[11:03] <bobdobbs> k, looking closely...
[11:04] <KBar> bobdobbs: dont copy the tail part... just `grep '^GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT' /etc/default/grub`
[11:04] <KBar> without the backticks ofcourse
[11:04] <bobdobbs> oh
[11:05] <bobdobbs> GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash"
[11:06] <KBar> bobdobbs: now `ls -ltrd /etc/mod*`
[11:06] <KBar> without backticks
[11:06] <bobdobbs> kk
[11:06] <KBar> bobdobbs: and tell me which one is most recent
[11:07] <bobdobbs> the most recent is /etc/modules-load.d
[11:07] <bobdobbs> geez, you are good at this
[11:07] <KBar> bobdobbs: whats the date?
[11:08] <bobdobbs> todays date... 4:48pm
[11:08] <murmel> ...
[11:08] <bobdobbs> might be worth noting that I was playing with the video settings much later. Like, about 8pm I think
[11:09] <bobdobbs> It's about 11pm now
[11:09] <KBar> bobdobbs: was it listed last in the directory listing?
[11:09] <bobdobbs> Sorry, what do you mean?
[11:09] <KBar> (if it's indeed the most recent, it should be last)
[11:10] <KBar> you ran `ls` it should have listed 3 or 4 directories. was modules-load.d the last?
[11:10] <bobdobbs> yep
[11:11] <KBar> ok. just making sure. now can you `ls -ltr /etc/modules-load.d`
[11:12] <KBar> how many files and what's the most recent one?
[11:12] <KBar> (ls -ltr lists in long format, reverse sorts by modified time, thus the last one is the most recent)
[11:12] <bobdobbs> two files. One is a symlink...
[11:13] <KBar> you better tell the names and where the link points at
[11:13] <bobdobbs> The most recent is the symlink, called 'modules.conf'. It links to "../modules"
[11:14] <bobdobbs> The datestamp is for the 7th of June.
[11:15] <KBar> that doesn't make sense. anyway `ls -ltr /etc/modprobe.d`
[11:16] <bobdobbs> Do you want the most recent again?
[11:17] <KBar> how many files. the names and dates of the most recent ones, get out of root, and read each one
[11:18] <KBar> better yet
[11:18] <KBar> bobdobbs: `grep -ri 'RTL8125' /etc/modprobe.d`
[11:18] <KBar> anything?
[11:18] <bobdobbs> well that's weird. I've got entries for August. But I only installed this system recently. Like, about a month ago
[11:19] <bobdobbs> that last command brings up nothing
[11:21] <KBar> bobdobbs: how about RTL811EPV?
[11:21] <KBar> ah it was the lan device
[11:21] <bobdobbs> nothing
[11:24] <KBar> bobdobbs: find /lib/modules/ -name 'rtl8125be'
[11:25] <bobdobbs> no return from that command
[11:26] <KBar> bobdobbs: find /lib/modules/ -name '*rtl8125*
[11:26] <KBar> stop
[11:26] <KBar> bobdobbs: find /lib/modules/ -name '*rtl8125*'
[11:26] <KBar> here
[11:26] <bobdobbs> k
[11:26] <KBar> forgot about the closing single quote
[11:27] <bobdobbs> nothing. no return
[11:28] <KBar> bobdobbs: what's the version of Ubuntu?
[11:28] <bobdobbs> 22.04
[11:29] <murmel> 22.04 def has the firmware for that device.
[11:29] <bobdobbs> yeah. It was all working perfectly... until it wasn't
[11:30] <murmel> bobdobbs: out of curiousity, which gpu driver did you fiddle with?
[11:30] <bobdobbs> I was running the proprietary nvidia driver. I replaced it with the nouveau driver
[11:31] <KBar> bobdobbs: `dpkg -l linux-firmware`
[11:31] <bobdobbs> oof
[11:32] <bobdobbs> Sorry, I can't paste the output, but there's a line in the output that looks grim
[11:32] <KBar> bobdobbs: did it produce a table with two 'ii's in the first column?
[11:32] <bobdobbs> yes
[11:33] <bobdobbs> table has name, version, architecture and description
[11:33] <KBar> bobdobbs: two i's correct?
[11:33] <bobdobbs> yep
[11:34] <KBar> bobdobbs: `ls -l /lib/firmware/rtl_nic/rtl8125*`
[11:34] <KBar> you got anything in there?
[11:35] <bobdobbs> yes. Three entries
[11:36] <KBar> `im running out of ideas. you definitely disabled them at some point, somewhere
[11:37] <bobdobbs> hmmm
[11:37] <KBar> bobdobbs: last directories are /etc/sysctl.d
[11:37] <bobdobbs> hm?
[11:37] <KBar> and the /etc/sysctl.conf
[11:37] <KBar> file
[11:38] <KBar> bobdobbs: did you modify files in there?
[11:38] <bobdobbs> no
[11:38] <bobdobbs> well, I don't recall touching them. I'll check my command history...
[11:39] <KBar> bobdobbs: no, just do the `ls` thing on them
[11:39] <KBar> reverse sort by time
[11:39] <KBar> on those files
[11:40] <bobdobbs> well thats really odd. I did 'ls -ltr /etc/sysctl.conf'... and the date that shows up is in Feb.
[11:40] <KBar> if you issued those commands in root, you wont see them in your ~/.bash_history. if you had multiples terminals open, only the first one gets to write to ~/.bash_history
[11:40] <bobdobbs> But I haven't had this system for that long
[11:41] <bobdobbs> for the files in /etc/sysctl.d: no changes this month
[11:43] <KBar> bobdobbs: according to https://linuxreviews.org/Realtek_RTL_8125, it's supported by r8169 module
[11:43] <KBar> bobdobbs: `lsmod | grep r8169`
[11:44] <bobdobbs> no return from that command
[11:45] <KBar> bobdobbs: find /lib/modules/ -name 'r8169*'
[11:46] <bobdobbs> no return from that command either
[11:47] <KBar> bobdobbs: what was the kernel version? `uname -r`
[11:48] <bobdobbs> 5.15.0-40-generic
[11:52] <KBar> bobdobbs: `dpkg -l linux-modules-5.15.0-40-generic`
[11:52] <KBar> two ii's?
[11:53] <KBar> bobdobbs: also linux-modules-extra-5.15.0-40-generic
[11:53] <bobdobbs> "no packages found matching..."
[11:53] <KBar> aha
[11:53] <bobdobbs> oh wait
[11:53] <bobdobbs> sorry, I typo'd. When corrected, I do get a table with two ii's
[11:54] <bobdobbs> same for 'extras'. I get a table with two ii's
[11:56] <KBar> bobdobbs: you sure there is nothing? find /lib/modules -name '*r8169*'
[11:57] <bobdobbs> That find command returns nothing
[11:58] <KBar> bobdobbs: which versions are listed in /lib/modules?
[12:01] <bobdobbs> 5.15.0-25-generic, 5.15.0-30-generic, 5.15.0-33-generic, 5.15.0-39-generic, 5.15.0-40-generic
[12:03] <bobdobbs> KBar: I'm not really sure what the significance of these outputs. What are we looking for? What have we deduced?
[12:05] <KBar> bobdobbs: download these two packages: https://packages.ubuntu.com/jammy/amd64/linux-modules-extra-5.15.0-25-generic/download & https://packages.ubuntu.com/jammy/amd64/linux-modules-5.15.0-25-generic/download
[12:05] <nbusrone> Hi , may I know how to find which process interfere with screen saver ? example i run a command turn off screen "xset s off" but it doesn't run.I want to know which application block the code from running.
[12:05] <KBar> bobdobbs: and also these two: https://packages.ubuntu.com/jammy-updates/amd64/linux-modules-5.15.0-40-generic/download & https://packages.ubuntu.com/jammy-updates/amd64/linux-modules-extra-5.15.0-40-generic/download
[12:06] <KBar> the -40 ones are backup for your current version. try installing the ones for -25.
[12:06] <KBar> download to your usb, insert it on that computer, and install the -25 ones with `sudo dpkg -i`
[12:06] <KBar> restart
[12:07] <KBar> nbusrone: `xset` only works in x11. ubuntu has switched to wayland
[12:08] <bobdobbs> KBar: will do. I'm just gonna have to hunt around my room for a USB. I
[12:08] <bobdobbs> I'm sure I'll find one relatively shortly
[12:08] <KBar> bobdobbs: just make sure to download the -40 ones as well.
[12:08] <bobdobbs> k
[12:08] <KBar> bobdobbs: you will install modules-25 and modules-extra-25 first, reboot
[12:09] <KBar> nbusrone: if you want to disable screensaver on GNOME, try with caffeine
[12:09] <nbusrone> KBar : i am using ubuntu flashback gdm
[12:11] <nbusrone> KBar : echo $XDG_SESSION_TYPE
[12:11] <nbusrone> x11
[12:11] <KBar> nbusrone: `gsettings list-recursively | grep -i screensaver` anything related to it?
[12:13] <KBar> also, gnome uses gnome-screensaver
[12:15] <nbusrone> KBar : https://pastebin.com/Tr3bWXT8
[12:16] <KBar> nbusrone: good. so what do you want? you can set various prefs through its GSettings backend
[12:19] <nbusrone> KBar : I manually set "xset dpms 30 0 0" turn off 30 second but it doesn't turn off . Sometimes I need to close all apps and i can't find which software interfere it
[12:20] <KBar> nbusrone: because xset is for xscreensaver. if you're using gnome flashback the screensaver should be its own gnome-screensaver. check gnome-screensaver-command(1)
[12:21] <nbusrone> KBar : ok , thanks i will check then .Thanks , i will reply again if it doesn't work
[12:21] <KBar> yw
[12:26] <Ganonk> hello all,
[12:26] <Ganonk> is possible to install Xubuntu 14.04 LTS via netboot.xyz ?
[12:26] <KBar> Ganonk: its End of Life.
[12:26] <murmel> as 14.04 is out of support (without esm) probably not
[12:27] <murmel> KBar: even esm?
[12:27] <Ganonk> yes i know..
[12:27] <Ganonk> Xubuntu 14.04 LTS is my favorite version :)
[12:28] <KBar> https://ubuntu.com/engage/14-04-esm
[12:28] <murmel> so? just download the iso and install it if you really want it. but please don't connect it to the internet ;)
[12:28] <guiverc> 14.04 ESM is still supported; but ESM support can provide desktop package support via snap packages (as was announced when 16.04 went ESM)
[12:29] <guiverc> Ganonk, 14.04 is not supported here though
[12:29] <Ganonk> :/
[12:29] <Ganonk> yeah many thanks all
[12:29] <KBar> Ganonk: https://xubuntu.org/news/14-04-release/
[12:30] <KBar> the actual link to the ISO appears to be dead tho
[12:30] <KBar> maybe you can find it on one of the mirrors?
[12:30] <KBar> or download it as a torrent.
[12:30] <Ganonk> on archive.ubuntu.com
[12:31] <Ganonk> see http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/trusty/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/
[12:33] <KBar> considering flavors get 3 years of support instead of 5, i doubt you can find xubuntu 14.04. there is 16.04 https://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/ anyway its not supported anymore cant help you further
[12:34] <murmel> additionally, idk, xfce doesn't change that much, so there shouldn't be a huge difference between 14.04 and 22.04 (they only added gtk3 support)
[12:35] <bobdobbs> KBar: I hit an obstacle when trying to install the first of those packages. The error message says that a dep isn't installed. "linux-modules-5.15.0-25-generic depends on linux-image-5.15.0.25.0-25-generic | linux-image-unsigned-5.15.0.25-generic..."
[12:36] <bobdobbs> This is so insanely complicated. I've got no idea what is going on.
[12:36] <guiverc> murmel, I disagree with Xfce hasn't changed.. even if the UI hasn't changed much, underneath the surface there have been significant changes
[12:37] <murmel> guiverc: which Ganonk really disagrees with?
[12:37] <KBar> bobdobbs: ok. maybe try to boot with the previous kernel version? press shift during boot, it should open the GRUB menu, select -25 if you have it
[12:37] <murmel> KBar: that kernel is not installed anymore, that's why it's requiring it
[12:37] <murmel> def. with how many kernel modules are installed, as ubuntu only retains 2 afair
[12:38] <KBar> well, in that case file a bug and hope the module for your hardware gets included?
[12:38] <bobdobbs> because I've got dual-boot set up, the boot process stops at the grub menu and gives me a choice for what to load. But I don't recall seeing previous kernel versions... but then again I haven't had this system for very long.
[12:38] <bobdobbs> I'll reboot and see what I get...
[12:39] <murmel> bobdobbs: it should be under advanced
[12:39] <bobdobbs> ok
[12:39] <bobdobbs> ah, found it
[12:40] <bobdobbs> booting into a slightly older kernel
[12:40] <bobdobbs> and yes! I have networking back!
[12:41] <bobdobbs> omg. such a relief
[12:41] <murmel> nice
[12:41] <KBar> good
[12:41] <bobdobbs> thank you!
[12:41] <KBar> np. set this as your default kernel for now
[12:41] <KBar> until they fix it
[12:41] <bobdobbs> feels good knowing I can go get some sleep tonight
[12:43] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[12:44] <bobdobbs> KBar: just noticed something interesting that might offer a clue.
[12:44] <bobdobbs> I went to start synergy - it's a software KVM
[12:44] <bobdobbs> Synergy couldn't start. It gave a message saying that wayland isn't support
[12:44] <bobdobbs> Earlier today I installed KDE
[12:44] <murmel> bobdobbs: that has nothing to do with it ;)
[12:45] <murmel> that's another issue
[12:45] <KBar> i doubt it's related
[12:45] <bobdobbs> At some point I must have changed from xorg to wayland
[12:45] <bobdobbs> ah, ok
[12:45] <KBar> irrelevant. the issue is with loaded modules
[12:45] <murmel> bobdobbs: but interesting to see somebody still using synergy :) most moved to barrier after they went closed source
[12:45] <bobdobbs> ok
[12:45] <bobdobbs> I've only recently heard of barrier
[12:46] <murmel> bobdobbs: probably when you switched from nvidia to nouveau as nvidia doesn't support wayland
[12:46] <KBar> bobdobbs: so what now, when you run `sudo lshw -C network`
[12:46] <KBar> both have drivers and modules showing?
[12:46] <KBar> not unclaimed anymore?
[12:47] <KBar> how about `lsmod | grep r8169` or whatever the model was
[12:47] <bobdobbs> KBar: back in two secs... I'm gonna log off here, and jump into irc on my actual ubuntu machine
[12:48] <bobdobbs> KBar: back!
[12:49] <bobdobbs> sorry, what wwere the diagnostic commands you wanted me to user?
[12:49] <bobdobbs> *use
[12:50] <murmel> 12:46 < KBar> bobdobbs: so what now, when you run `sudo lshw -C network`
[12:51] <bobdobbs> murmel, KBar:  https://www.toptal.com/developers/hastebin/ewebubukav.yaml
[12:52] <murmel> bobdobbs: nice, so yes, something happened with the new kernel not including your driver
[12:52] <bobdobbs> I see
[12:53] <bobdobbs> seems too dumb to be an actual production bug. I must have done something stupid
[12:53] <murmel> I def. would do a bugreport. you can start one with ubuntu-bug linux-image-5.15.0-40-generic
[12:54] <murmel> bobdobbs: maybe, but I guess with the older kernel, it mostly points to the kernel
[12:54] <KBar> most likely an oversight
[12:54] <KBar> from the kernel team
[12:54] <bobdobbs> I need my kvm. I'm gonna see if I can switch back to xorg... which means logging out and logging back in, I think. brb.
[12:55] <lotuspsychje> bobdobbs: you dont got secureboot enabled?
[12:56] <sweb> i need install chrony as ntp server, questions: 1. is any problem to expose ntp to public network? 2. can i install chrony on VirtualMachine ?
[12:58] <murmel> sweb: yes, but question is, why would you need to expose it to the internet?
[12:59] <sweb> murmel: why not, other people could use it.  any concert ?
[12:59] <sweb> concern*
[13:00] <sweb> www.ntppool.org like these servers...
[13:01] <murmel> sweb: just saying as it's very unlikely yours is getting used by others. additionally you asking here means very likely you are not ready to administer a server for the public
[13:01] <mostafa> Hello Do any of you guys see "FolderChangeView" Application For Windows? I want like that one for Ubuntu . Can some one help me. ( More Info: This app check file system for changes and show changes folder in real-time)
[13:03] <KBar> just run `watch 'ls /path/to/directory'`
[13:03] <KBar> mostafa ^
[13:03] <_1qaw> dir
[13:03] <mostafa> KBar: aha..Thanks man
[13:12] <bobdobbs> KBar: well, I'm glad that the network problem is sorted. But now my display is totally broken
[13:12] <KBar> define broken
[13:13] <KBar> just use wayland
[13:13] <bobdobbs> If I use gnome, there is no colour profile set, so the screen is blazing yellow and unreadable. In both gnome and KDE the mouse that I can see isn't the mouse position as far as any desktop controls are concerned
[13:13] <bobdobbs> I believe I am using wayland at the moment. My suspicioum is that wayland is the problem
[13:14] <murmel> bobdobbs: plasma?
[13:14] <bobdobbs> but... I can't actually do much. My desktop is totally unusable
[13:14] <KBar> bobdobbs: printenv XDG_SESSION_TYPE
[13:14] <bobdobbs> murmel: yes, I'm logged in using plasma at the moment
[13:14] <KBar> you said you have to switch back to xorg
[13:14] <murmel> bobdobbs: plasma is still not ready for wayland :/ so really switch to x11
[13:15] <bobdobbs> oh. that variable holds "x11"
[13:15] <bobdobbs> so I guess that means that I am actually using x11?
[13:16] <KBar> yes
[13:17] <bobdobbs> Is there something I can do about the mouse positioning? I think that'd be the start.
[13:17] <KBar> i dont think its related to the module issue you previously had. you did something again
[13:17] <bobdobbs> I don't think I can do anything without the desktop and myself having an agreement about where the mouse is
[13:18] <bobdobbs> I can't think of anything I've done.
[13:18] <bobdobbs> After I logged in with the old kernel, the next thing I did was log out and switch to gnome
[13:19] <bobdobbs> In gnome I couldn't do anything. I couldn't even log out. So I had to do a hard restart. I shut down the computer using the power button :(
[13:20] <bobdobbs> This situation is such a mess.
[13:20] <fubar1000> just reinstall
[13:21] <bobdobbs> fubar1000 the whole system?
[13:21] <fubar1000> sure
[13:21] <KBar> and dont use root just because
[13:21] <bobdobbs> that'd take me a couple of days at least. I'd have to back everything up
[13:31] <bobdobbs> Is there a way to reinstall the display system without doing a complete reinstall?
[13:39] <bobdobbs> one thing about the mouse positioning: it's fine in gdm. When I'm in gdm, the desktop responds to the mouse position normally. But after I log in to either gnome, kde or cinnnamon, the desktop doesn't agree with me about where the mouse is
[13:44] <bobdobbs> oh. this might be a monitor problem. KBar, murmel: you might remember that the reason I started changing things to begin with was because I was having issues with a monitor.
[13:44] <bobdobbs> Well, if I unplug the problem monitor (I'm running a dual-monitor setup) then the desktop responds normally to the mouse
[13:45] <leftyfb> bobdobbs: do you have synergy running?
[13:46] <leftyfb> bobdobbs: do you have synergy running?
[13:46] <bobdobbs35> interesting
[13:47] <bobdobbs35> I just restarted. Down to a single monitor. Logged in using plasma. everything works well (despite loss of one monitor). Synergy started automatically and it works as expected.
[13:48] <bobdobbs35> I suspect that the mouse issue might be related to my new monitor having issues
[13:48] <leftyfb> bobdobbs35: synergy causes issues with multiple monitors if it's started after they are detected or your display settings are changed. Restarting synergy should resolve it. Not an ubuntu issue
[13:49] <bobdobbs35> hmmm....
[13:49] <bobdobbs35> the mouse and monitor issues were happening without synergy running. So I don't think the issue is related to synergy
[13:50] <leftyfb> go check again
[13:50] <bobdobbs35> well, I've restarted multiple times. I've seen the mouse/monitor issue happening without synergy running.
[13:50] <leftyfb> just now?
[13:51] <bobdobbs35> leftyfb: within the last 30 minutes - several times
[13:51] <bobdobbs35> I was restarting constantly because I couldn't use the mouse to logout
[13:51] <bobdobbs35> so I was alt-tabbing to a shell and using the 'reboot' command.
[13:52] <KBar> i think they're suggesting restarting synergy not rebooting the pc
[13:53] <leftyfb> yes
[14:48] <murmel> bobdobbs35: additionally, i would really recommend barrier. but no idea if that bug is happening over there
[15:56] <Guest35> Had a question that does not directly pertain to Ubuntu, but a piece of software that I think is pretty common in the Linux eco system in general..
[15:56] <Guest35> Timeshift specifically.
[15:57] <jhutchins> !info timeshift
[15:57] <lotuspsychje> Guest35: its an official package on ubuntu
[15:58] <Guest35> Right. My question pertains to it more than Ubuntu itself -- wanted to make sure I wasn't overstepping scope. Admittedly rushing here.
[15:58] <enigma9o7[m]> Well whoever you are talking about that had the question, thanks for letting us know, hopethey resolved it.
[15:59] <enigma9o7[m]> Yeah this channel is better for asking current questions, rather than sharing storeis about questions someone had before.
[15:59] <lotuspsychje> maybe he can ask it, then point him in the right direction
[16:00] <enigma9o7[m]> Nah but he's in a rush, no time to ask questions now.
[16:04] <Guest35> Haha, okay. So my current question in the realm of the present, and one that I'm hoping doesn't exist outside the scope of discussion here -- My understanding is that it could be used in the way of a reboot/restore mechanism, similar to Deepfreeze. My question is, am I overestimating Timeshift's ability to accurately and completely handle that type
[16:04] <Guest35> of use case? It would be on the scope of a public device used by multiple users and audited on between each.
[16:07] <alkisg> Do you mean that you want "all changes reset on EVERY reboot", or selectively whenever you want to do some kind of factory reset?
[16:10] <Guest35> It would be done manually, rather than every reboot, but yes. All changes. All user filesystem changes, which, it seems like a completely capable application to handle that. I suppose what makes me nervous are fringe cases I've read where system restores have failed via reverting to a time shift snapshot. Those seem to imply inaccurate results..
[16:10] <Guest35> potentially. I'm less worried about system failure, and more worried about user data being persistent when it's required to have been deleted before the next takes the reigns.
[16:11] <alkisg> User data is in /home, while system is in / (rootfs). If you want to erase user data, you can just format /home (or dd it from a previous known state)
[16:15] <leftyfb> or just create a new user
[16:15] <Guest35> True.. there's the other hand where I appreciate the.. while not as brute force to the degree that writing bit for bit would be, brute force nature of enforcing any file system changes I dont expect to happen in places that they shouldn't. Essentially, redoing the whole drive (sort of) with timeshift SEEMs like a good, fast way to revert machine
[16:15] <Guest35> state wholesale, including user files.  However, I find dd'ing the home directory to be interesting.. that's actually a very very good idea.
[16:15] <oerheks> if that user data is limited, push it to zram?
[16:16] <Guest35> Particularly because timeshift will obviously not be truly removing it from the drive.
[16:17] <Guest35> I'll take a look at zram.. I imagine that's  a ramdisk type solution. I did think about that when I first considered this project. Basically, it's all in the name of getting Linux onto these devices, away from Windows.
[16:19] <Guest35> Deepfreeze is the mechanism used to ensure both a passive security benefit as well as user data scrubbing. I'm trying to not necessarily mimic it in whole, but provide a Linux based alternative of sorts. These devices are slow af on windows. A Manjaro setup...beats it like... Seven fold on application speed and boot times. As expected.
[16:19] <alkisg> If you want to explain more about your needs, we might be able to suggest better solutions. I.e. what kind of devices they are, and when do the users switch and their data needs to be wiped
[16:22] <alkisg> You can easily emulate deepfreeze using the overlay linux kernel module; with any kind of backing store (upper/work dirs), either RAM or disk based
[16:22] <alkisg> It's how linux live CDs usually implement "persistence" (and of course live booting as well)
[16:23] <Guest35> They're x86_64. Kano PCs. Work great in Linux. Low ram, though. 4GB. Makes me think the ram disk solution might spread resources too thin. Users keep them for weeks on end before the next user gets there hand on it. Right now, deepfeeeze, which is built around restoring on reboot, works great for in house devices. But A, not on Linux, and B, users
[16:23] <Guest35> who keep these particular devices online for some time risk losing data if not heading directions to save data in a specific place. Which is gross.
[16:24] <Guest35> Read that whole typing on a smart phone alkisg
[16:25] <Guest35> While*
[16:25] <alkisg> If users take the devices (e.g. at homes) then you don't want to put the next user into risk, as the previous user might have installed keyloggers etc
[16:25] <Guest35> Right, explicitly or accidentally.
[16:25] <alkisg> Use a VM to maintain your template image, and dd it every time you want to give one of them to a new user
[16:26] <alkisg> Deepfreeze isn't safe at all there either
[16:26] <Guest35> Mm. I'm not surprised to hear that.
[16:28] <Intelo> Hi, How can I know/log the websites being visited on a computer?
[16:29] <oerheks> your browser does.
[16:29] <dsc_> Intelo: look at the browser history? not a question for this channel btw.
[16:29] <Intelo> dsc_ no system wide
[16:30] <Intelo> dsc_ some kind of access log or network stats
[16:30] <oerheks> ' system wide', explain?
[16:30] <Guest35> Always learning. It sounds like completely reimaging is the only true way to ensure a secure device. Which is totally fair. Thank you alkisg and oerheks
[16:30] <Intelo> oerheks Operating system wide for all users or for a particular user
[16:31] <oerheks> websites only get logged in a browser.
[16:31] <Intelo> oerheks how about monitory network traffic?
[16:31] <dsc_> Intelo: arp spoof, mitm TLS, ngrep http headers
[16:31] <InPhase> Intelo: You can setup dns to go through a local dns server, and set it up to log what it looks up.  That wouldn't break down by user though.
[16:31] <Intelo> dsc_ mitm, arp. Are these without trouble/ ok
[16:31] <dsc_> disregard
[16:32] <Intelo> InPhase ok understandable. dnsmasq?
[16:32] <Intelo> InPhase is there any other way ?
[16:32] <Intelo> other than this strategy I mean
[16:32] <InPhase> Intelo: That's the only system-level service that all browsers would by default use in a standard setup.
[16:33] <Intelo> InPhase so the OS network stats don't work ?
[16:33] <InPhase> Intelo: And of course, browsers can be set to not use it.  So this is not a robust approach.
[16:33] <arraybolt3[m]> Guest35: Would it be possible to do a diskless thin client setup, where the devices connect over a VPN to a virtualization server that holds the actual workstations?
[16:33] <Intelo> so there is no other way?
[16:33] <circlewave> watch
[16:34] <dsc_> Intelo: there are many ways...
[16:34] <Intelo> dsc_ like?
[16:34] <dsc_> but not a question for this channel
[16:34] <dsc_> im not going to help you monitor someone's network traffic
[16:34] <Intelo> dsc_ lets talk in #theotherchannel then
[16:34] <Intelo> dsc_ "someones"? its my pc
[16:35] <Intelo> dsc_ how do you think I  or someone can access someone elses pc. If you don't know the answer, that is fine to say straight. its ok :)
[16:35] <Intelo> InPhase so looks like there are no other ways but i wonder once I saw some network tools that showed websites visited
[16:35] <Intelo> ip connections etc
[16:35] <Intelo> what was that?
[16:36] <InPhase> Intelo: You can join #wireshark to discuss the other approaches with the people there.
[16:36] <Intelo> thats a network sniffing tool ok
[16:42] <circlewave> do a pc with a bridged connection between router and modem and wireshark
[16:50] <Intelo> circlewave ya. i wonder if I can disallow browsers to use external dns?
[16:50] <Intelo> can i force browsers to use my own dns only?
[16:50] <circlewave> i dont know
[16:50] <Intelo> if no, then it would mean impossible to block a certain site
[16:50] <arraybolt3[m]> Intelo: Disable DNS-over-HTTPS in Firefox to start with, then everything should go through whatever DNS your system is set to.
[16:51] <rob0> These days browser developers think it's cool to ^^ DoH/DoT
[16:51] <arraybolt3[m]> Intelo: But DNS-level blocking might not be the most efficient - really, if you're trying to block sites, do it on the level of IP addresses.
[16:51] <leftyfb> Intelo: you should be doing this upstream at the network/router level. Not on individual clients. Especially when the machine is yours and you don't have any other users on it
[16:52] <arraybolt3[m]> (I think browsers can cache DNS results or something.)
[16:52] <Intelo> arraybolt3[m] I don't want to control each browser but systemwide
[16:52] <leftyfb> Intelo: also, ask in #networking as this isn't an ubuntu support issue
[16:52] <rob0> If your browser is using DoH/DoT, it bypasses what your router would return.
[16:52] <Intelo> arraybolt3[m] i see. how to block at ip address level?
[16:52] <Intelo> leftyfb the router would be the best place I guess?
[16:52] <arraybolt3[m]> Intelo: #networking may be better, they'll know more about this than we do.
[16:53] <leftyfb> Intelo: yes
[16:53] <Intelo> rob0 then we can't block browser even by router?\
[16:53] <arraybolt3[m]> (At least, hopefully they'll know more than we do...)
[16:53]  * dsc_ rolls eyes
[16:54] <Intelo> I see
[16:54] <arraybolt3[m]> Intelo: I've seen this done before on WIndows 10 (Fortune 500 company with CIsco Umbrella), but I don't know the details of how they did it.
[16:54] <rob0> Intelo: IP address blocking can be done at the router, or locally on your machine using nft or iptables.
[16:54] <circlewave> ipfire firewall distro
[16:55] <rob0> Cisco Umbrella is a DoT thing, running a simple nameserver on 127.0.0.1 which forwards everything through DoT.
[16:55] <Intelo> rob0 for now I just did entry in /etc/hosts
[16:55] <dsc_> fine, my official suggestion is Intelo should write a eBPF program that hooks browser internals
[16:55] <Intelo> rob0 is that etc/hosts sane?
[16:55] <leftyfb> Intelo: if this is your machine and you are the only user, what is the end goal here? For what purpose?
[16:55] <dsc_> leftyfb: he's writing malware. duh.
[16:56] <KBar> dsc_: its already written
[16:56] <Intelo> leftyfb well I didn't wanted to announce it but its for kids . You know the rest of the story
[16:56] <arraybolt3[m]> dsc_: There's lots of legitimate reasons to do this other than writing malware.
[16:56] <dsc_> KBar: link me :)
[16:56] <KBar> dsc_ its called W******
[16:56] <KBar> sure
[16:56] <dsc_> haha :P
[16:56] <KBar> dsc_: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows
[16:56] <leftyfb> Intelo: ok, then you 100% need to do this at the router level and not via DNS. You need parental controls at the router level
[16:56] <KBar> satisfied?
[16:57] <Intelo> leftyfb and block IPs?
[16:57] <arraybolt3[m]> This is becoming accusationary, and I am not afraid to use the !ops trigger. If you guys want to be helpful, be helpful.
[16:57] <KBar> disclaimer: click on your own risk
[16:57] <leftyfb> Intelo: yes. Good luck
[16:57] <arraybolt3[m]> Intelo needs help, if he's on Ubuntu, we can try to help him.
[16:57] <Intelo> leftyfb and the same thing can be done at /etc/hosts  file where I just point site names to 127.0.0.1
[16:57] <Intelo> leftyfb correct?
[16:58] <leftyfb> Intelo: which the "kids" can easily modify
[16:58] <rob0> not quite
[16:58] <leftyfb> and is also not easily supported
[16:58] <Intelo> leftyfb kids don't have root access
[16:58] <dsc_> arraybolt3[m]: you are not afraid to use the !ops trigger?! wow, you must have quit the guts there
[16:58] <jhutchins> Then again, you could just teach the kids to use the network responsibly and monitor each other.
[16:58] <Intelo> the /etc/hosts need root acces
[16:58] <arraybolt3[m]> Intelo: If you have firewall software on your system, you should be able to detect all DNS-over-HTTPS domains and block them.
[16:58] <Intelo> jhutchins ya theoratically
[16:59] <leftyfb> Intelo: ok, then use /etc/hosts or iptables, both of which are going to be a constant cat and mouse game. Good luck
[16:59] <Intelo> arraybolt3[m] ok, hows that?
[16:59] <dsc_> this person is obv. either wanting to mass surveillance browser usage and/or writing malware
[17:00] <leftyfb> dsc_: please stop
[17:00] <Intelo> leftyfb am.. well isn't the router having list of banned ips and /etc/hosts file having list of banned ips same cat & mouse thing?
[17:00] <arraybolt3[m]> Intelo: Find the IP's with wireshark, then block outgoing connections to them with the firewall. However, no matter how many things you blacklist, you're going to leave a hole open. You may want to whitelist domains.
[17:00] <leftyfb> Intelo: firewalling should be done at the network level, not the client level
[17:00] <Intelo> arraybolt3[m] sane suggestion
[17:00] <arraybolt3[m]> Intelo: If you can block all IPs except the ones that lead to legitimate websites, that will be leaps and bounds safer than blacklisting.
[17:00] <Intelo> leftyfb agreed. yes..
[17:01] <Intelo> I am just curious. /etc/ hosts file will do the same as what router blacklist does. correct? assuming user has no root acces
[17:01] <arraybolt3[m]> leftyfb: Eh, companies do it at the client level sometimes. Laptop with Mobile Broadband leaves you with not much options in the way of network-level firewalling. So network-level may be better, but it's not absolutely required.
[17:02] <leftyfb> arraybolt3[m]: this is at home with some kids, not an enterprise network
[17:02] <Intelo> arraybolt3[m] its a tough hole. The kids study, browse and I cant white list all good sites in google results. I don't want to frustrate you guys either
[17:03] <leftyfb> Intelo: locking down a single computer doesn't lock down mobile devices or the same computer booted to a live cd/usb
[17:03] <rob0> Your ultimate best choice might be a proxy like squid, and don't allow them full Internet access other than the proxy.
[17:03] <Intelo> leftyfb true. I only gave system access to them. and made password on mobile
[17:03] <Intelo> except play time
[17:03] <Intelo> and weekends
[17:03] <arraybolt3[m]> Intelo: Sadly, there's no real middle ground. You can either try to blacklist everything bad in a firewall, or whitelist everything good. Both are going to be a serious pain, but the latter is going to be far safer. It's up to you.
[17:03] <arraybolt3[m]> leftyfb: BIOS password?
[17:03] <Intelo> but adult sites is another story
[17:04] <Intelo> rob0 ok
[17:04] <arraybolt3[m]> Intelo: If you just want to block adult sites, CloudFlare might help.
[17:04] <dsc_> I bet some religious organisations have previously developed software for this specific requirement
[17:04] <leftyfb> Intelo: this really isn't an ubuntu support question and should be done upstream at the network level. Not on a single computer
[17:05] <Intelo> arraybolt3[m] Ya... I am thinking. Looks like I am not the only one with this confusion. Others might also have it. Its a common issue.
[17:05] <Intelo> arraybolt3[m] oh I didn't knew about cloudflar. Will research
[17:05] <dsc_> I think it is called "parental control software"
[17:05] <arraybolt3[m]> Argh, DNS-over-HTTPS might still get around that (using CloudFlare ironically).
[17:06] <Intelo> dsc_ your positiveness has impressed me :)
[17:06] <Intelo> leftyfb yes.
[17:06] <Intelo> agreed
[17:07] <Intelo> thanks all
[17:07]  * Intelo waves
[17:07] <arraybolt3[m]> Intelo: If the kids don't have root access, can you just block stuff in the browser?
[17:07] <leftyfb> use a different browser
[17:08] <arraybolt3[m]> Intelo: They won't be able to install anything else bad. You can uninstall wget.
[17:08] <leftyfb> there are so many ways to work around client-level access control. Less at the upstream network level
[17:08] <KBar> actually, thinking about it, ubuntu doesnt have parental control mode baked in. shall we move this discussion/suggestion to #ubuntu-discuss?
[17:08] <arraybolt3[m]> (They could still use advanced Bash tricks, though... crud. Sorry this is hard.)
[17:09] <leftyfb> ssh tunnels
[17:09] <KBar> and maybe open a topic on discource
[17:09] <leftyfb> those get around everything
[17:09] <arraybolt3[m]> leftyfb: You're right. But no matter what level you do it at, you have to do it on an IP address basis with either a whitelist or a blacklist. Whitelists will prevent SSH tunnels, blacklists won't.
[17:10] <leftyfb> arraybolt3[m]: proper parental firewalls do it at the domain->ip level
[17:10] <oerheks> some dns services give parental control
[17:11] <arraybolt3[m]> oerheks: Yeah, but again, SSH tunnels...
[17:11] <oerheks> best solution is to talk with your kids on your computer.
[17:11] <arraybolt3[m]> Intelo: You could implement a whitelist with a firewall, then every time your kid asks, "Hey, xyz.com won't open!", you can just go in and fix it. Eventually there won't be any more access requests once everything good is unblocked.
[17:11] <leftyfb> Intelo: if you must: https://installati.one/ubuntu/22.04/e2guardian/
[17:12] <arraybolt3[m]> (Oh no, I have no idea where xyz.com goes to, don't click that, sorry.)
[17:12] <leftyfb> ^ content filtering
[17:13] <dsc_> Intelo's question went from "How to monitor browser usage" to "how to block access to certain parts of the internet"
[17:13] <dsc_> some context would have been nice
[17:14] <arraybolt3[m]> leftyfb: Oh that is so awesome. I hope he sees that.
[17:15] <leftyfb> it's a fork of DansGuardian which I know died a long time ago. I didn't know there was a fork
[17:15] <arraybolt3[m]> Looks like even the fork died in 2018... thus why Intelo was trying to do this the hard way.
[17:16] <leftyfb> https://github.com/e2guardian/e2guardian doesn't look completelt dead to me
[17:18] <arraybolt3[m]> Nice, the website made it look dead. Woot!
[17:19] <oerheks> is a proxy mentioned in all the solutions?
[17:20] <leftyfb> proxies only work if the only browser you are able to use is forced to use the proxy in some way
[17:20] <dsc_> yes, in addition one can switch off that proxy
[17:21] <dsc_> (inside the browser settings)
[17:21] <KBar> isnt it lockable via firefox prefs?
[17:21] <leftyfb> I used to work in retail where the Windows pc's had a locked down IE to use a proxy. I merged the desktop wallpaper jpg with a .zip of portable Firefox and got around that real easy :)
[17:35] <Intelo> arraybolt3[m] I am not aware how to block things in browser as root. leftyfb e2guardai looks good!
[17:35]  * Intelo taking off
[17:45] <LuksNuke_> Weiss hier zufaelligerweise jemand wie man einen Kuchen backt?
[17:45] <KBar> LuksNuke_: join #ubuntu-de
[17:46] <LuksNuke_> :/
[17:50] <gordonjcp> LuksNuke_: das is besser in #ubuntu-offtopic gefragt ;-)
[17:52] <LuksNuke_> Par la présente, et avec mes sentiments les plus distingués, je trouve ca pas tolérant de votre part
[18:02] <KBar> LuksNuke_: impressive, but this channel is English-only. join your local Ubuntu community, #ubuntu-de for German, #ubuntu-fr for French
[18:04] <LuksNuke_> Scusi, mi ho spagliato :)
[18:04] <LuksNuke_> Alright alright
[18:04] <xrandr> What do you recommend for using a windows laptop for a 3rd monitor in linux? I've looked into Gnome network display, but my ubuntu computer is connected via LAN cable. Gnome Network Display doesn't like that.
[18:05] <leftyfb> xrandr: huh?
[18:05] <xrandr> @leftyfb: where did i lose ya? lol
[18:05] <leftyfb> xrandr: you want to use a windows laptop as an additional monitor for ubuntu?
[18:06] <xrandr> yeah, as a networked display
[18:06] <leftyfb> never head of such a thing. Pretty sure if the software did exist, it wouldn't work all that well
[18:06] <leftyfb> head/heard/
[18:07] <ogra> rdp sould be able to do it
[18:07] <xrandr> Gnome Network display is supposed to use miracast (which is what MS uses to do it), there was a project called XDMX which isn't around anymore. There was a thing for XVnc, but that looked a little too involved to set up
[18:08] <ogra> https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2022/06/use-ipad-as-second-monitor-ubuntu-22-04
[18:08] <ogra> perhaps you can deduct something for windows from this article ..
[18:09] <xrandr> Thanks!
[18:39] <mostafa> Linux Lite is Very Slower Than Ubuntu on Vmware
[18:39] <lotuspsychje> not a topic to discuss in the support channel mostafa
[18:40] <lotuspsychje> !chat | mostafa feel free
[18:40] <leftyfb> mostafa: ok? Do you have an ubuntu support question?
[18:41] <mostafa> leftyfb: God .. OK Thanks. Sorry
[18:49] <dreamon> hello. could someone start 2 terminator-terminal windows move them side on side and input somethin in one of them. I have a issue, what I type in window A its shown twice in window B.
[18:50] <dreamon> So contacted author of terminator. he could not reproduce this fault. so I installed 22.04 again in Virtualbox. and the fault is gone. dont know why.
[18:52] <dreamon> hoping someone of you can, who understands more than me, can give me a hint
[18:52] <leftyfb> dreamon: it's near impossible to troubleshoot an issue you are no longer having
[18:53] <leftyfb> we could speculate all day but that won't solve anything
[18:54] <dreamon> leftyfb, I still have this issue in my real system. So I tryed to reproduce it on a new installation for the author of terminator to fix it. But the issue is not there.
[18:56] <murmel> dreamon: seems like you have a bad config
[18:58] <dreamon> murmel, I already purged terminator and deleted .config/terminator ..
[18:59] <dreamon> maybe a probleme with upgrade from 20.04.. maybe.
[19:03] <KBar> dreamon: is it stdin or stdout/stderr that gets shown in the second terminal?
[19:03] <KBar> whatever you type or whatever it outputs?
[19:04] <dreamon> its been show twice → https://github.com/gnome-terminator/terminator/issues/596
[21:35] <OnkelTem> Hi ubuntu folks. How are you doing today? I have issues with colors in Midnight Commander on Kubuntu 20.04
[21:35] <OnkelTem> and in fact I had the same issues on the previous version of Ubuntu
[21:36] <OnkelTem> erm, sorry, Kubuntu
[21:36] <OnkelTem> https://i.imgur.com/pIILk5x.png
[21:36] <OnkelTem> The issue, actually
[21:37] <OnkelTem> You ain't gonna see 4 files, but they are there :)
[21:38] <InPhase> OnkelTem: Have you tried just leaving that window open and poking at your theme settings until you figure out which one sets that?
[21:38] <OnkelTem> InPhase: I'm not really sure what exactly should I tweak. Do you mean system settings?
[21:39] <OnkelTem> And I would expect this problem to have some common resolution
[21:39] <InPhase> I don't use Kubuntu or Midnight Commander, but I would assume system theme settings are the issue.
[21:39] <OnkelTem> w/o tweaking anything but instead - use some other similar theme w/o this problem
[21:40] <OnkelTem> Yeah, I  don't remember i had any issues with this colors on Ubuntu/Gnome
[21:40] <murmel> OnkelTem: if you use konsole, you would need to edit your profile colors
[21:40] <oerheks> https://midnight-commander.org/wiki/doc/common/skins
[21:41] <OnkelTem> oerheks: I tried every other color scheme MC provides and each one had issues with colors
[21:47] <OnkelTem> Manually editing colors, that's awful
[21:47] <OnkelTem> Ok, I'm gonna ask #kde guys
[22:29] <bobdobbs> I'm using ubuntu 22.04 with x11 and two monitors. My monitors and I do not agree where the mouse is. It looks to me like ubuntu thinks the mouse is in one monitor when it's in the other monitor
[22:33] <bobdobbs> I can't test the issue in gnome, because gnome doesn't have a color profile set and offers me no way to set one, so it's completely unusable
[22:35] <enigma9o7[m]> That sounds very confusing.  I guess just stick with keyboard.
[22:40] <bobdobbs> enigma9o7[m]: Not an option I'm afraid.
[22:44] <bobdobbs> Is there a way I can completely remove and reinstall x11?
[22:48] <tomreyn> bobdobbs: any configurations are more likely to be persisted in your home directory
[22:48] <bobdobbs> yes
[22:49] <tomreyn> ... and would continue to remain there if you uninstalled and purged xserver-xorg
[22:52] <bobdobbs> At the moment I'm going with the hypothesis that the issue is with my video driver. I'm currently using nouveau. I'd like to remove the nouveau module and install the proprietary nvidia driver.
[22:53] <bobdobbs> The issue with that is that I can't use gui's to do anything at the moment.
[22:54] <bobdobbs> I've got the script for installing the nvidia driver, but it fails because nouveau is installed... and it doesn't offer a way of removing nouveau
[22:54] <bobdobbs> So... how can I remove the nouveau driver?
[22:54] <cbreak> bobdobbs: have you tried ubuntu-drivers list?
[22:54] <bobdobbs> I don't know what that is. Is it a terminal command? I'll try it...
[22:55] <cbreak> it is indeed
[22:55] <cbreak> it lists available drivers to install
[22:55] <cbreak> you should be able to install them via ubuntu-drivers install (with sudo)
[22:55] <cbreak> there's a gui for that too
[22:56] <bobdobbs> cbreak: because of my video issue I can't use gui tools
[22:56] <cbreak> or you can download the cuda .deb package from nvidia, it comes with its own drivers
[22:56] <bobdobbs> cbreak: I've got nvidia's install script for the drivers. But it won't install them because nouveau is installed.
[22:57] <cbreak> https://developer.nvidia.com/cuda-downloads?target_os=Linux&target_arch=x86_64&Distribution=Ubuntu&target_version=22.04&target_type=deb_local
[22:57] <cbreak> it should be able to deal with that
[22:57] <cbreak> at least for me, it replaced it
[22:57] <cbreak> (I think :)
[22:58] <Bashing-om> bobdobbs: Nvidia advises do not do that ! "Note that many Linux distributions provide their own packages of the NVIDIA Linux Graphics Driver in the distribution's native package management format. This may interact better with the rest of your distribution's framework, and you may want to use this rather than NVIDIA's official package."
[22:59] <bobdobbs> Bashing-om: At the moment the best working hypothesis I have for my mouse issue is that the video drivers need to be replaced.
[22:59] <bobdobbs> Bashing-om: mouse problem: when running dual monitors, the monitors and me don't agree on where the mouse is
[23:00] <bobdobbs> So I see the mouse in one position, and the monitors think it somewhere else. So I cant use the pointer.
[23:01] <Bashing-om> bobdobbs: Agreed that might well be the case. Ubuntu has the tools to do that for you - to install the Nvodia proprietary driver.
[23:01] <bobdobbs> Bashing-om: unless those tools are accessible via the terminal, I can't use them
[23:01] <cbreak> yes. And one of those tools is the ubuntu-drivers program I mentioned above
[23:02] <bobdobbs> cbreak: I can see that that tool allows me to to diagnostic stuff. I can't see a clear way for me to use it to replace nouveau with the proprietary drivers. I'm still looking at though.
[23:03] <bobdobbs> cbreak: I'm also looking at the download page you linked me to.
[23:04] <cbreak> those are two separate options
[23:04] <bobdobbs> yes
[23:04] <Bashing-om> bobdobbs: cbreak: Yeah - in terminal run ' sudo apt update ; sudo apt upgrade ; ubuntu-drivers autoinstall ' *IF* you are 100% sure you have a somewaht rescent Nvidia graphic's card.
[23:04] <bobdobbs> Bashing-om: relatively recent. RTX 3070
[23:05] <cbreak> give.
[23:05] <Bashing-om> bobdobbs: Fiid the kernel will picj the best driver for that 3070.
[23:06] <bobdobbs> Bashing-om: ok. I'll take that route presently
[23:07] <Bashing-om> !info nvidia-driver-515 jammy
[23:07] <bobdobbs> ok. looks like 'ubuntu-drivers autoinstall' did alter the graphics driver
[23:07] <bobdobbs> I'm rebooting the ubuntu machine now and crossing my fingers...
[23:08] <Bashing-om> !info nvidia-driver-390 jammy
[23:10] <Bashing-om> bobdobbs: Let's play this by ear - as looks like the recommended driver has not to this time made it to our repo. a) an earlier version driver may work just fine - b) we can look into our trusted PPA for the 515 version driver. [or our bot is not up to date]
[23:10] <bobdobbs> ok, after reboot - only one monitor is being detected. The mouse issue doesn't present when only one monitor is deteted.
[23:11] <bobdobbs> but yeah... it'd be nice to have both monitors going
[23:11] <cbreak> 515 is from cuda 11.7
[23:11] <cbreak> that's what I got when I installed nvidia's package
[23:11] <cbreak> 22.04 has 510, shouldn't be too bad either
[23:11] <cbreak> considering that driver is much newer than the graphics hardware
[23:13] <Bashing-om> bobdobbs: What compositor do you have - as Wayland still does not play nice - ' echo $XDG_SESSION_TYPE ' - please.
[23:14] <bobdobbs> Bashing-om: that command returns: x11
[23:16] <bobdobbs> well, at least the system is detecting my better monitor. That's a start, I guess
[23:16] <Bashing-om> bobdobbs: Good deal - and let's next see what is installed for the driver. Pastebin the output of - dpkg -l | grep -i nvidia .
[23:17] <bobdobbs> Bashing-om: sure thing. I'll need a couple of minutes. I'll jump into irc on that machine...
[23:17] <bobdobbs> can I use this channel if I'm not auth'd on libera?
[23:17] <Bashing-om> bobdobbs: Yeah - this channel is open, best I recall.
[23:18] <mantis`> Bashing-om: k, it's bob here.
[23:18] <mantis`> dpkg -l | grep -i nvidia
[23:19] <mantis`> whoops
[23:19] <Bashing-om> mantis`: You recall how to use termnin for pasting the results ?
[23:20] <mantis`> Bashing-om: no, I don't. I recall you showed me that trick last night though
[23:20] <mantis`> https://www.toptal.com/developers/hastebin/gamofavehi.yaml
[23:22] <mantis`> Bashing-om: Is this command showing us available packages on the system?
[23:27] <Bashing-om> mantis`: That shows us what is presently installed - maybe here there is a driver conflict between the 510/515 versions ??? - what returns for ' sudo find / -name "NVIDIA-Linux-*" ' ? as a place to start poking at it.
[23:31] <mantis`> Bashing-om: that command is taking a while to return. Interestingly, when using it with both sudo and as root, the return lines I get back first have "permission denied" in themill
[23:31] <mantis`> * in them
[23:32] <mantis`> total output: https://www.toptal.com/developers/hastebin/xahufanosu.lua
[23:34] <Bashing-om> mantis`: Hummm ... 1st time I have encountered "permission denied" - lemme run it on my 20.04 system.
[23:35] <Bashing-om> mantis`: yukkie - runs clean for me on my 20.04 :(
[23:35] <mantis`> hmmm
[23:35] <mantis`> very interesting
[23:38] <Bashing-om> mantis`: Sure stuck here on what to think ! No idea of where to jump :(
[23:38] <mantis`> Bashing-om: yeah, it's all very bizarre.
[23:39] <Bashing-om> cbreak: You running 22.04 - able to see what the find return is for you ?
[23:41] <mantis`> I'm running 22.04, yes. That last paste shows the complete output of that find command.
[23:42] <mantis`> incidently, this is the output of 'ls -al /run/user/1000': https://www.toptal.com/developers/hastebin/saceruwozo.yaml
[23:42] <mantis`> The last time I saw rows of question marks like that was before a hard-drive death. But this ssd is brand new. This whole system is brand new.
[23:45] <Bashing-om> mantis`: https://www.toptal.com/developers/hastebin/xahufanosu.lua << is that output via the use of sudo >> sudo find / -name "NVIDIA-Linux-*" ?
[23:46] <mantis`> Bashing-om: that's the output of the command if I'm logged in as root
[23:47] <Bashing-om> mantis`: Will take one smarter than I to know why "root" gets that permission denied !
[23:48] <tomreyn> cat /proc/version might help
[23:49] <mantis`> https://www.toptal.com/developers/hastebin/oxayuqulus.apache
[23:50] <tomreyn> hmm that's a proper kernel. and    findmnt /run   says it's a tmpfs?
[23:50] <Bashing-om> !Info linux-image-generic jammy
[23:51] <tomreyn> one version behind
[23:51] <mantis`> output of 'findmnt /run'L https://www.toptal.com/developers/hastebin/xujehexeji.nginx
[23:52] <mantis`> tomreyn: yeah. I've got a new kernel installed. But I boot to this version because if I use the updated kernel I don't get access to networking.
[23:53] <tomreyn> why is that?
[23:53] <mantis`> I have no idea. It's way beyond me.
[23:54] <mantis`> tomreyn: yesterday I decided to try KDE. As soon as I installed it networking died and could not be recovered. A couple of kind souls on this channel tried to help me. They were very skilled, but in the end the only way to get back on the network was by booting to an older kernel.
[23:55] <cbreak> Bashing-om: packages.ubuntu.com/ should have all packages ubuntu offers
[23:55] <mantis`> At the same time that the network died I started having issues with video: gnome became unusable because of the colour profile issue, and both gnome and kde stopped showing me the true mouse position
[23:56] <mantis`> It's honestly really bizarre. Feels like I'm cursed.
[23:56] <murmel> tomreyn: on the newer kernel, the wifi and lan card on his pc are unclaimed
[23:56] <mantis`> This all happened at around 6pm yesterday. I was up til 2am trying to get my system usable. It's now close to lunchtime on my second day of dealing with this.
[23:57] <mantis`> tomreyn: yeah, murmel is one of the guys who was helping me last night.
[23:57] <tomreyn> i'm afraid i don't have the time to try to look into this either tonight. and not sure it would help either.
[23:58] <mantis`> tomreyn: understandable. This is all so bizarre.
[23:58] <mantis`> last night someone suggested that I just do a straight reinstall. I'm very reluctant, but I'm considering it.
[23:59] <Bashing-om> mantis`: With good backups and a fast internet connection - 20 minutes and back in bussiness :P