[00:38] <lechner> Hi, is there an upgrade path from Ubuntu 8.10 to a version with 'xz', and modern encryption and maybe GRUB 2 on ancient 32-bit equipment (Athlon XP Mobile) that will not boot from USB or CDROM? I have extra partitions.
[00:39] <leftyfb> no
[00:39] <ravage> the last 32bit release is 18.04. but upgrading is .. well.. not impossible. but just dont do it
[00:40] <leftyfb> lechner: 8.10 was a non-LTS from 14 years ago. There is absolutely no advantage in trying to upgrade from something that old
[00:41] <ravage> that computer is ready to be retired.
[00:41] <lechner> leftyfb: i would be happy to install something newer but i have to do it via hard disk (or perhaps TFTP) alone
[00:41] <Unit193> "Don't" is generally the recommendation, if you must, then upgrade release by release until you hit a LTS, then jump from LTS to LTS until 18.04.
[00:42] <Unit193> If you have enough ram, then grml-rescueboot is pretty great, except it needs grub2.
[00:42] <arraybolt3[m]> lechner: Do you have any newer system? Your best bet here IMO is to take the drive out, connect it to a different computer, boot that computer from a Lubuntu 18.04 (or better yet, Debian LXDE 32-bit) drive, install onto the drive, then put the drive back into the original system.
[00:42] <leftyfb> Unit193: that would not be an install I would wish on anyone
[00:42] <sarnold> lechner: wow that's a brutal situation :(
[00:42] <ravage> lechner, netboot images for 18.04 are here: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/bionic-updates/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/
[00:42] <Unit193> leftyfb: I did it once a few years back with the last Fluxbuntu release, in a VM just to try it.
[00:43] <lechner> arraybolt3[m]: it's a parallel IDE adapter in a laptop i have never seen before
[00:43] <leftyfb> jeeze
[00:43] <leftyfb> why bother?
[00:43] <ravage> burn it
[00:43] <arraybolt3[m]> lechner: Actually, netboot isn't a bad idea. If you can TFTP boot netboot.xyz, you can install a 32-bit version of Debian most likely.
[00:44] <arraybolt3[m]> ravage: We're Linux. We like resurrecting old computers.
[00:44] <arraybolt3[m]> leftyfb: Because we can.
[00:44] <lechner> when did Ubuntu stop shipping the odd CDROM Atapi drivers, please?
[00:44] <arraybolt3[m]> lechner: https://netboot.xyz/docs/booting/tftp
[00:44] <Unit193> For 32bit, I would encourage you to go to Debian, yeah.
[00:45] <lechner> i would just use debootstrap but the 8.10 archive is long gone
[00:45] <leftyfb> arraybolt3[m]: there's old, then there's "the only reason to do this is because it's fun and I want to learn something" at which point, you are basically on your own
[00:45] <Unit193> !eolupgrades
[00:45] <arraybolt3[m]> leftyfb: Ubuntu 18.04 is still supported. If we're true to our word, he's not on his own.
[00:46] <leftyfb> arraybolt3[m]: he's running 8.10
[00:46] <Unit193> arraybolt3[m]: Then even after that, one could get free ESM (for up to 3 systems)
[00:46] <leftyfb> lechner: WAIT. Are you in the Boston area?
[00:47] <lechner> leftyfb: sorry, that was in college :)
[00:47] <leftyfb> damn. I would give you a new PC that'll run 64bit
[00:47] <leftyfb> well, not new
[00:48] <ravage> leftyfb is just Oprah is disguise
[00:49] <arraybolt3[m]> leftyfb: One of my ancient systems had a very practical use (an ancient XP desktop that was able to help me take a disk image of a critically important Win2K system).
[00:49] <arraybolt3[m]> lechner: The problem with installing from netboot is that the whole installer image would have to fit in your system's RAM. How much RAM do you have?
[00:49] <lechner> 768MB
[00:50] <lechner> i knew it would be an unpopular topic (and thank you for your empathy, leftyfb, i have some more recent equipment).
[00:50] <arraybolt3[m]> lechner: Yeah, that's not too old to be hopeless.
[00:50] <arraybolt3[m]> lechner: I have dealt with so many ancient computers. I think this is a great project.
[00:51] <lechner> my neighbor threw out a laptop with the screen ripped off. it would be a nice Zoom station for my family
[00:51] <lechner> well, not Zoom, but you get the idea
[00:51] <leftyfb> lechner: you're not running zoom on that
[00:51] <arraybolt3[m]> lechner: So why exactly could you not boot from CDROM?
[00:51] <leftyfb> you're lucky to play video, let alone stream it
[00:51] <sarnold> lechner: if there's a reason why you're aiming for a machine without debian, you could also try https://www.adelielinux.org/download/ -- I've heard the maintainer really intends to keep supporting 32 bit x86 as long as they can
[00:52] <lechner> i think it's the old ATAPI drivers, but in fairness i did not try the latest Ubuntu (only the latest Guix)
[00:53] <lechner> leftyfb: you are probably right about the video. i am too optimistic sometimes
[00:53] <arraybolt3[m]> lechner: One problem is that, with as little RAM as you have, Ubuntu 18.04 probably isn't going to work. I think Debian is your best hope.
[00:54] <lechner> what
[00:54] <lechner> what is Ubuntu shipping?
[00:54] <ravage> xubuntu 18.04 maybe
[00:54] <ravage> i would not try full gnome on that
[00:54] <arraybolt3[m]> lechner: I think 18.04 need 1GB or so.
[00:55] <ravage> if you want to watch videos on that thing there is an ascii plugin for mplayer i think
[00:55] <lechner> that's funny!
[00:56] <lechner> sorry to bother everyone. i have been milking a lot of old equipment lately. my biggest issue has been energy consumption generally
[00:56] <arraybolt3[m]> lechner: I've had no problems watching videos on XP desktops - they weren't in 1080p or anything, but a DVD? Sure.
[00:56] <lechner> the processor also does not have the modern hash instructions
[00:56] <ravage> those old CPUs keep you warm in winter for sure
[00:57] <arraybolt3[m]> lechner: I think it's a great idea, though.
[00:57] <lechner> unfortunately, i am in california
[00:57] <ravage> oh. it does not provide water. sorry :)
[00:58] <sarnold> re ascii output: mplayer -vo aa _-5dEyAzu3Nww.mkv
[00:58] <lechner> we would be okay if they did not use ninety percent of our water to grow almonds or avocadoes
[00:58] <arraybolt3[m]> lechner: Well, here's a possibly silly idea. Boot from a really old Linux ISO that does provide the old drivers, then use dd to flash a fully installed image to your old system.
[00:59] <ravage> sarnold, nice. let me watch something :D
[00:59] <arraybolt3[m]> lechner: You can make the image in a VM on a newer computer, then flash it to the drive of the older computer.
[00:59] <lechner> arraybolt3[m]: i have 8.10 on the hard disk, and three empty partitions
[00:59] <lechner> but the browser cannot do modern encryption
[01:00] <lechner> and there is no xz
[01:00] <lechner> except for mozilla or google, i can't even read the internet
[01:00] <arraybolt3[m]> lechner: Yeah. So just go to a newer system, fire up QEMU with a 32-bit ISO file and a raw virtual drive, install the distro of your choice, then copy it to a USB, take it to the old system, flash it to the HDD, and you're good to go. (That's a basic idea, you'd have to fill in the rest.)
[05:23] <OhMyRaid> Uh I've made a terrible mistake...
[05:23] <OhMyRaid> I just used Fdisk and created a partition on /dev/md0 my RAID0 instead of my new additional disk.
[05:23] <OhMyRaid> I've since deleted this partition after realizing my mistake, and haven't rebooted yet so it's not being read by the kernal yet.
[05:23] <OhMyRaid> But it still holds a partition table here, I think I need to delete that too, to avoid uh, certain death.
[05:23] <OhMyRaid> Anyone around willing to help/confirm that/tell me I'm a moron
[05:24] <arraybolt3[m]> OhMyRaid: I see you, for now, I know this for sure: Don't reboot.
[05:25] <arraybolt3[m]> OhMyRaid: Looking for solutions...
[05:26] <arraybolt3[m]> OhMyRaid: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/43922/how-to-read-the-in-memory-kernel-partition-table-of-dev-sda
[05:29] <arraybolt3[m]> OhMyRaid: I think the link above has everything you need to rescue your disk.
[05:29] <arraybolt3[m]> OhMyRaid: Also, I would highly recommend backing up all the data on your RAID0 before trying anything fancy like this, so that if it goes horribly wrong, your data doesn't die.
[05:30] <arraybolt3[m]> OhMyRaid: You can get a WD EasyStore from Best Buy for cheap (I got 12 TB on sale for under $200).
[05:30] <OhMyRaid> arraybolt3[m] this is a slick link, reading through it now and seems hopeful... My only issue being a lack of understanding on the mdadm front and how this really works, but servers solid, and behind a UPS, I've got time.
[05:31] <OhMyRaid> Fortunately blank new drive in there is big enough to take the whole RAID, so yeah, a backups already being done for when I choose to pull trigger if it goes horribly wrong
[05:32] <arraybolt3[m]> OK. I don't know anything about mdadm, so I can't be of much help there, sadly. Good luck! If anything goes awry, you may try TestDisk before resorting to a full restore of the backup. If even that doesn't work, you still have an "if all else fails, we're still OK" plan.
[05:33] <Unit193> (testdisk++)
[05:34] <arraybolt3[m]> OhMyRaid: Also, you're not a moron, we all do things that make us go "NOOOO... well, crud, now what?!" at one point or another.
[05:35] <Unit193> Yep, "Oh crap, I needed that partition."
[05:36] <OhMyRaid> Thanks, not the level of kindness I had anticipated here, more used to any linux knowledge being imparted with a smirk of superiority XD
[05:36] <Unit193> My latest was accidentally killing Windows 10 EFI partition, thinking grub would handle it for me...  Welp.
[05:36] <arraybolt3[m]> I've noticed that, it's sad. This channel's a lot nicer than some other places (like the Arch Forums, yikes!). Which is part of the reason I like being here.
[05:39] <arraybolt3[m]> Unit193: You should have seen the screen of my laptop the day I nuked my Arch Linux install by accident. Or been there during the aftermath of having "dpkg -i"'d in an office suite ignoring broken dependencies.
[05:40] <Unit193> Eh, that's pretty easy to fix thankfully.
[05:41] <arraybolt3[m]> Unit193: Yeah, right up until the system that you did the office suite stunt on is offline...
[05:41] <arraybolt3[m]> (That took me hours to fix.)
[06:02] <alkisg> My worse was typing `rm -rf some-dir /*`, with a space after some-dir ! :)
[06:09] <supremekai> Hey guys, I have 4 GB of RAM on ubuntu 20.04 - what would be the recommended swap memory size for 4 GB of RAM? 8 GB?
[06:13] <PeGaSuS> probably the same as the amount of RAM you have
[06:18] <supremekai> PeGaSuS, what about 8GB? Isn't it the maximum?
[06:19] <summonner> swap amount defaults to the same amount of ram
[06:19] <supremekai> I'm not grasping the concept of "No Hibernation" and "With Hibernation" as described here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SwapFaq
[06:19] <supremekai> I have a 4 GB Ubuntu 20.04 VPS from Vultr with 2 CPU Cores
[06:22] <PeGaSuS> a VPS won't go into hibernation. and since you have 4Gb of RAM, 4Gb of swap is enough, IMHO
[06:24] <supremekai> PeGaSuS, oh ok, but if I can use 6 - 8 GB according to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SwapFaq (for 4 GB) why wouldn't I use the maximum possible (8 GB)? I'm not grasping the disadvantages of using more swap
[06:26] <PeGaSuS> you can use it, since there's no harm in doing so, iirc
[06:28] <supremekai>  PeGaSuS, but what would be the harm in doing so? That is my issue :P
[06:28] <supremekai> I'm not understanding the disadvantage of using more swap space other than the usage of disk space
[06:28] <supremekai> Although there may be other disadvantages I'm unaware of
[06:28] <arraybolt3[m]> supremekai: Just keep in mind, how much RAM are you really going to use? Having more swap than you need is just going to waste disk space. I don't think there's any other disadvantage (other than swap being slower than RAM).
[06:29] <PeGaSuS> like I said, there's no harm in doing so, iirc
[06:29] <arraybolt3[m]> supremekai: So if you have little RAM and lots of swap, you'll be running slower than if you had lots of RAM and little to no swap.
[06:29] <arraybolt3[m]> supremekai: Also, if you do a lot of intensive things that requires using the swap file a lot (like running apps that need 32 GB RAM with 4 GB RAM and a 32 GB swapfile), you may wear out your disk faster than expected.
[06:29] <supremekai> arraybolt3[m], I've got peaks of RAM usage, thus all the extra memory is valuable; the problem is that the app crashes if it uses a lot of RAM
[06:30] <supremekai> arraybolt3[m], but swap is not used as a "backup memory"?
[06:30] <supremekai> Or will it work in the normal operations of the server?
[06:31] <arraybolt3[m]> supremekai: Yes, swap is used as backup memory. Your system starts swapping once you hit certain conditions, but it doesn't use the swap as its main source of memory.
[06:32] <arraybolt3[m]> supremekai: If you only need the extra memory provided by swap for every once in a while, then this is a great use for swap. If you need it constantly (like if you should have 8 GB RAM but you only have 4), then you may experience a performance hit. It depends on what you're doing. It sounds like swap would be a great solution in your scenario.
[06:32] <supremekai> arraybolt3[m], thank you very much! So, no problem using 8 GB of swap if I have a VPS with 4 GB RAM right?
[06:33] <arraybolt3[m]> Nope, no problem.
[06:33] <supremekai> (you talked about 32GB swapfile with 4 GB RAM, however, there is a maximum of 8 GB stated at ubuntu FAQ)
[06:33] <supremekai> Thanks!!
[06:33] <supremekai> Thank y'all !! :)
[06:33] <arraybolt3[m]> Odd, I've seen larger than 8 GB (at least for swap partitions), I'll check it out.
[06:34] <arraybolt3[m]> supremekai: That "maximum" isn't a hard limit, but a suggestion.
[06:35] <supremekai> Yup! Now I got it eheh :)
[09:50] <SteelRose> hi all! quick and stupid question: why can I use curl using localhost but the same command doesn't work if I use the hostname from inside the server? Oo
[10:13] <wezzzzzz> SteelRose: No internal routing to it?
[10:15] <SteelRose> wezzzzzz: I found the reason: the process (OpenSearch) is bound to localhost ... I now need to find where to change its configuration
[10:16] <wezzzzzz> Ah, yeah that will do it
[10:20] <exl> cc
[10:20] <exl> hi
[10:20] <luna__> hi
[11:50] <ugubok> Does Ubuntu repository servers (gpg, ppa) have some limitations on requests per host?
[11:52] <ravage> ugubok,  Ubuntu repository server and PPAs are 2 totally different things
[11:52] <ravage> external PPAs can be self hosted and can of course have restrictions
[11:52] <ravage> i never ran in any limits on the official mirrors
[11:54] <ugubok> ravage: Problem is we have large team repository on github and CI on github actions, and today we encounter the problem with connecting to ppa.launchpad.net
[11:54] <ugubok> (on CI hosts)
[11:54] <ravage> i dont use excessive connections to that host
[11:55] <ravage> no idea if there are limits
[11:56] <ravage> the current URL should be https://ppa.launchpadcontent.net/ but also supports http. so you could use a proxy to avoid it
[11:57] <ravage> nginx can be a decent proxy cache
[11:57] <ravage> or the old fashioned way with squid
[12:01] <ugubok> ravage: Okay, I think we should think about hosting pre-built container with all needed packages installed. Thank you for respond
[12:07] <realivanjx> i have a weird problem in my ubuntu 22.04, whenever i reboot the pc (or waking up from sleep) the dns doesnt work at all (dig not working). but i can still ping other devices in my network. to fix it i need to disable the network adapter and enable it again. is there a way to fix it? this happens after im getting ipv6 to my network
[12:08] <ugubok> realivanjx: Dig around systemd-resolved, resolv.conf etc
[12:09] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[12:10] <luna__> hey
[12:15] <luna__> found how you do here: https://wiki.freebsd.org/LinuxJails :)
[12:17] <realivanjx> it seems that whatever is running on 127.0.0.53 just quit working after i sleep/restart the pc
[12:17] <realivanjx> if i dig @thednsserver it works
[12:17] <realivanjx> but just dig doesnt work
[12:24] <ice9> how to ignore broken repos with apt update?
[12:38] <SteelRose> is anyone here running OpenSearch?
[12:38] <wezzzzzz> Yes
[12:39] <SteelRose> wezzzzzz: curl https://localhost:9200/_cat/nodes?v -u admin:admin -k <-- this works but it doesn't if I replace "localhost" with the actual hostname... that was the issue I was referring to before...
[12:40] <wezzzzzz> SteelRose: Yeah, the binding to all interfaces issue
[12:40] <SteelRose> I found out that OpenSearch is bound to 127.0.0.1 but I cannot find where to tell it "listen to something else"...
[12:40] <SteelRose> wezzzzzz: do you know how to solve it?
[12:40] <wezzzzzz> There is probably a * involved there
[12:40] <wezzzzzz> But is out of scope of this channel
[12:40] <SteelRose> wezzzzzz: I know .. the #opensearch is quite empty
[12:41] <wezzzzzz> I will join it :)
[12:41] <SteelRose> wezzzzzz: see you there
[13:28] <fbiagent> hi dumb question, I notice the mouse occasionally stops sending input. https://imgur.com/a/FQPsfQE I am moving the mouse consistently but getting occasional freezees. Any idea why? I've tried a different mouse, and wired, no difference...
[13:29] <fbiagent> https://i.imgur.com/EC6c9Zn.gif
[13:29] <fbiagent> better gif ^^
[13:51] <lechner> yes, this is a friendly channel
[14:04] <Liblx> hello, i'm using nautilus but i have always some tabs open that i use frequently. is there a file manager saving those and reopening them after a restart?
[14:06] <KBar> Liblx: how abour bookmarking?
[14:06] <KBar> makes sense if you visit those dirs frequently
[14:09] <Liblx> KBar: bookmarking directories? how do i do that? sorry, never heard of it yet.
[14:10] <oerheks> just drag the folder to the left side panel
[14:11] <oerheks> ' new bookmark'  will appear
[14:11] <oerheks> drop it, and voila
[14:12] <KBar> Liblx: ^
[14:14] <Liblx> oerheks: ah, right. i did that for ftp-connections already. thank you!
[14:14] <Liblx> do you prefer another file manager in general?
[14:15] <KBar> this question is off-topic to this channel. besides, that's subjective. someone's favorite might not fit your needs at all
[14:15] <KBar> s/to/for
[14:15] <KBar> for example, i don't use gui file managers
[14:33] <Liblx> KBar: where fit the topic of file managers fit in?
[14:35] <KBar> Liblx: maybe #linux ? at least #ubuntu-offtopic might be a good start. generally, such questions have already been answered on forums, etc
[14:35] <KBar> there's plenty articles comparing different fms with both pros and cons presented
[14:42] <Liblx> thanks
[14:53] <elias_a> I have problems with Ubuntu 20.04.4 running Virtualbox 6.1.32 from the Ubuntu repositories. Installing guest additions (same version of course) in WinXP guest causes an error.
[14:54] <leftyfb> elias_a: you mean you get an error in Windows XP when you try to install guest additions?
[14:55] <elias_a> Error message says: Failed to calculate strong name from (and path to VboxGuest.cat).
[14:55] <elias_a> leftyfb: Yes.
[14:56] <leftyfb> elias_a: To start with, your issue has nothing to do with Ubuntu. If I had to guess, Oracle no longer makes the guest additions Windows application compatible with an operating system that was end of life'd 8 years ago.
[14:57] <leftyfb> technically, end of life'd 13 years ago
[14:58] <elias_a> leftyfb: So it seems. I'll dig elsewhere as this seems to be a known issue: https://forums.virtualbox.org/viewtopic.php?t=104257
[14:58] <elias_a> leftyfb: TY
[14:59] <elias_a> I don't like playing around with old proprietary sw. Unfortunately there is no alternativa way to run the diagnostic sw of my car. :/
[14:59] <leftyfb> elias_a: have you tried compatibility mode in Windows 10?
[15:00] <elias_a> leftyfb: Not yet - thanks for the hint!
[15:11] <KBar> my god. dropping w-bombs left right and center!
[15:21] <kupper> hello, on Ubuntu 22.04 I want to install a program which needs openssl1.1, but google-fu told me just download it from the 21.10 repo. But if that does not have disadvantages then it would be in the 22.04 repo, what are the risks of installing it?
[15:22] <lotuspsychje> mixing packages between ubuntu releases is not reccomended kupper
[15:22] <kupper> then what is recommended? stay on 20.04 until that program is released with openssl 3?
[15:23] <enigma9o7[m]> what is google-fu, and what program is requiring an older version of dependency, can't you use newer version of program?
[15:23] <kupper> i just searched for the error and the program is Amazon Workspaces, there is no newer version
[15:26] <enigma9o7[m]> Yeah it seems its meant for ubuntu 18.04
[15:26] <enigma9o7[m]> https://clients.amazonworkspaces.com/linux-install  At least, if that what yer tlaking about.
[15:26] <kupper> indeed
[15:27] <lotuspsychje> kupper: here's an ubuntu thread about it; https://askubuntu.com/questions/1406567/amazon-workspaces-client-not-working-on-22-04
[15:28] <kupper> yes that's what I found but installing a package from an older ubuntu version looks weird to me
[15:28] <lotuspsychje> just not sure how secure that approach would be
[15:29] <kupper> is it less secure than using 20.04?
[15:29] <lotuspsychje> if it was a higher version needed you could have try !pinning or !backports but using a lower version?
[15:31] <KBar> kupper: is this the package? libengine-gost-openssl1.1
[15:31] <kupper> the package is libssl1.1
[15:33] <kupper> maybe i will just use it with wine lol
[15:34] <KBar> kupper: try downloading http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/o/openssl/libssl1.1_1.1.1l-1ubuntu1.5_amd64.deb & if it doesn't pull other deps and doesn't complain, you're golden
[15:35] <kupper> but if that just works without disadvantages then why it's not in the 22.04 repo?
[15:35] <ioria> kupper, if you are interested, there is a flatpak for that : https://flathub.org/apps/details/com.amazon.Workspaces
[15:35] <KBar> kupper: for that, you're gonna have to ask the packagers
[15:36] <kupper> thanks, I will use the flatpak
[15:36] <ioria> !info flatpak
[15:37] <ioria> !info gnome-software-plugin-flatpak
[15:37] <lotuspsychje> good idea ioria
[15:37] <ioria> might be
[15:39] <enigma9o7[m]> Hmmm I just tried installing that debfile for it that I linked,on jammy, and it didnt complain about any missing dependency.
[15:40] <enigma9o7[m]> Does it complain about the ssl thing after you run it or osmething?
[15:40] <kupper> yes
[15:41] <KBar> kupper: how many packages did it say were missing?
[15:42] <kupper> to be honest I still use 20.04 just checked if it's possible to run it on 22.04 and then found this https://askubuntu.com/questions/1406567/amazon-workspaces-client-not-working-on-22-04
[15:43] <kupper> but this is "solved" for me now, after I upgrade to 22.04 I will try flatpak and if that does not work I will just use wine
[15:45] <enigma9o7[m]> Yeah I was able to replicate problem now, if launching from command line nit reports "No usable version of libssl was found" even tho libssl3 is installed.
[15:45] <enigma9o7[m]> I have no idea if libssl3 is supposed to be back compatibile, but if it is, perhaps a simlink might solve this.
[15:46] <ioria> libssl is quite delicate, i would not install a not matching version
[17:18] <Guest18> Hi everyone. Having issues with Kubuntu 22.04. When I am resuming from suspend, USB devices stop working. Running usbreset shows empty list. Bluetooth, webcam also stops working. Any idea how I can fix this?
[17:25] <lotuspsychje> Guest1698: you might wanna share your dmesg or journal logs to see whats going on
[17:32] <oerheks> journalctl -e # gives the end of the log, https://www.loggly.com/ultimate-guide/using-journalctl/
[17:32] <Guest18> lotuspsychje In dmesg, I get messages like " xHC error in resume, USBSTS 0x401, Reinit " followed by "usb usb3: root hub lost power or was reset"
[17:32] <lotuspsychje> use a pastebin please Guest18 so the volunteers can help debug you
[17:35] <Guest18> dmesg pastebin: https://pastebin.com/PVjjm4Fi   and journalctl pastebin https://pastebin.com/XcxcmK0C
[17:38] <lotuspsychje> Guest18: dmesg gives a 404, can you redo that one?
[17:39] <Guest18> Weird. Try this new link https://pastebin.com/GhfkcPic
[17:41] <lotuspsychje> Guest18: tnx, works now, did you update your system to 5.15.0-40-generic since?
[17:42] <Guest18> I haven't. I usually update whenever I get a notification for update. Should I try -40 and see?
[17:42] <lotuspsychje> Guest18: you might also wanna turn off secureboot and test your usb powerloss again
[17:42] <Guest18> I am on 5.15.0-39-generic
[17:42] <lotuspsychje> Guest18: wich ubuntu release are you on?
[17:42] <Guest18> 22.04
[17:42] <ioria> Guest18, does the logout/login fix the issue ?
[17:42] <lotuspsychje> yeah, then it should be -40
[17:43] <Guest18> I ran a apt update and upgrade an hour ago. I'll manually update to -40
[17:43] <Guest18> ioria, I haven't checked it recent;y, but it didn't earlier
[17:43] <Guest18> I have had this issue in 21.10 as well
[17:44] <Guest18> Maybe secureboot is an issue ike lotuspsychje mentioned
[17:44] <Guest18> like*
[17:44] <ioria> Guest18, using a dock ?
[17:44] <Guest18> Nop
[17:44] <Guest18> Kubuntu panel only
[17:45] <ioria> Guest18, i mean a docking station (thunderbolt)
[17:45] <Guest18> Oh no I don't
[17:46] <ioria> Guest18, ok, full-upgrade the system and reboot
[18:09] <noarb> when I chroot into a lvsnapshot to take a backup, I dont have any networking and /etc/resolv.conf is empty. Do I have to enable that manually? Are there other things that I have to mount in as well? I thought taking a full system snapshot and mounting that would have all the necessary utilities and configurations, but seems a few things are missing
[18:18] <noarb> I think it's because /proc and /dev are different filesystems from the snapshot. Maybe not going to be as straightforward as I had thought
[18:23] <arraybolt3[m]> noarb: I always have to copy in /etc/resolv.conf from my host into a chroot environment. No idea how lvsnapshots work, but for just basic chrooting, that's what I do. I also bind-mount /dev, /dev/pts, /proc, and /sys into the chroot (again, this is just for basic chrooting, lvsnapshots may be different).
[18:36] <schizcock>    /close
[18:37] <alkisg> arraybolt3: if you bind-mount /run too, you'll get the resolv.conf from the host without having to copy it
[18:43] <arraybolt3[m]> alkisg: Good point.
[18:52] <wantom> yo debian runs madddd slow!!!! how come??? when debian and ubuntu are kind of like twins
[18:52] <oerheks> ask in #debian?
[18:52] <wantom> awww mannnn
[18:52] <arraybolt3[m]> wantom: Not sure, maybe your hardware just doesn't like Debian's kernel. You may be able to get support for helping Debian speed up on #debian.
[18:53] <wantom> haha thanks
[18:53] <arraybolt3[m]> Is Ubuntu running slow also?
[18:53] <oerheks> and do not mention your hardware, video, memory and such .. not even debian version
[18:53] <wantom> no ubuntu is mad quick
[18:53] <arraybolt3[m]> wantom: Nice. Oh, and if going to #debian, do mention the things oerheks said not to mention.
[18:53] <arraybolt3[m]> oerheks: Ey!
[18:54] <wantom> hahaha
[18:54] <oerheks> oh, yes, and you need to register to enter #debian
[19:35] <jadenlian> before reinstalling my os i was doing <ss -lntp> to check opened ports and the name of the service listening on that port   now i get everything else except the name of service nor the user that started the service
[19:37] <oerheks> lots of examples to get info https://askubuntu.com/questions/9368/how-can-i-see-what-ports-are-open-on-my-machine
[19:37] <oerheks> sudo lsof -nP -i | grep LISTEN
[19:38] <oerheks> and yes, you need to find out per port what is using it
[19:38] <sarnold> jadenlian: try again with sudo?
[19:38] <oerheks> oh good spot
[19:42] <jadenlian> sarnold: yeap sudo boy to the rescue
[19:42] <jadenlian> it worked
[19:42] <jadenlian> thanks
[19:44] <sarnold> :D
[19:49] <BadAtom> I've repurposed an old Asus Transformer with an expired copy of Win10 by wiping it and installing Ubuntu, it's working fine except for one thing: it recharges via micro-usb, but only when the unit is powered off; when powered on, the recharging LED lights up, but the power gadget doesn't report that it's charging and the battery level goes steadily down, does anyone know if I need to install anything
[19:49] <BadAtom> additional for it to recognize charging by USB while on?
[19:52] <jhutchins> BadAtom: That's usually controlled on a hardware (BIOS)level, not by the OS.
[19:53] <jhutchins> BadAtom: You can look through the power management/secreensaver options, there may be something you can tweak.
[19:53] <oerheks> no, old issue
[19:53] <BadAtom> but it works fine when switched off, which sounds like the BIOS is fine and it's something in the running kernel or modules that needs to activate it
[19:54] <oerheks> weak charger, use a 2A version
[19:54] <oerheks> https://forums.tomsguide.com/threads/asus-transformer-laptop-charges-only-when-powered-off.136470/
[19:55] <sarnold> oh jeeeeze
[19:55] <sarnold> talk about stupid..
[19:55] <BadAtom> ah cool, many thanks oerheks!
[20:25] <arkanoid> since I've upgraded to 22.04, my docker unit service fails to start
[20:25] <arkanoid> error is dockerd[2291563]: failed to start daemon: Devices cgroup isn't mounted
[20:35] <sarnold> interesting, I thought docker would fall over on the firewalling first
[20:35] <sarnold> well, mayube not *first*, but I know about the firewalling ..
[20:38] <oerheks> arkanoid, and what solutions did you find, searching for that error? cgroupsv2 issue from an old docker?
[20:38] <arkanoid> oerheks: possibly yes, I'm upgrading docker right now
[20:38] <oerheks> i read a lot about GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash systemd.legacy_systemd_cgroup_controller=1" but that is no solution
[20:39] <oerheks> oh oke
[20:39] <arkanoid> yep, it was that. I has to re-add apt repo and upgrade
[20:39] <arkanoid> dist upgrade disabled it
[20:39] <arkanoid> all is ok now, thanks
[20:45] <de-facto> how can i disable that popup spam of "application xy does not respond"?
[20:45] <de-facto> its disrupting my interactions with that application (that is very responsive)
[20:46] <oerheks> in gnome?
[20:46] <de-facto> yes :/
[20:47] <oerheks> maybe there is a setting > applications > <your app> > notifications
[20:48] <de-facto> its not a notification from that app, its a popup of gnome shell itself that thinks the app is non responsive
[20:48] <oerheks> else settings > notifications > do not disturb
[20:48] <de-facto> yeah that has nothing to do with that
[20:48] <oerheks> weird app ..
[20:48] <de-facto> gnome does not consider its own popup as notificaiton
[20:48] <de-facto> no its gnome
[20:51] <sarnold> try disabling any gnome extensions, those can muck with the internals pretty good
[20:51] <de-facto> hmm but i need them to make gnome functional
[20:51] <oerheks> or look in the ~ /.config/xy folder ..
[20:51] <oerheks> maybe some conf to edit?
[20:52] <de-facto> ok what am i looking for?
[20:52] <oerheks> dunno, what is xy?
[20:52] <de-facto> an various programs
[20:52] <de-facto> hexchat, sdr++ etc
[20:53] <oerheks> hexchat surely give an item in notifications
[20:54] <zwe-y-luna> wuau
[20:54] <de-facto> its not a notification, its a native popup from gnome shell
[20:54] <sarnold> I have no idea how gnome shows that notifications but the usual problem on other systems is applications not responding to and hadnling messages from the rest of the system quickly enough
[20:55] <de-facto> i restarted gnome shell now, seems to calmed down with its popup spam
[20:55] <zwe-y-luna> anymore speak spanish
[20:55] <oerheks> !es
[20:55] <sarnold> if you're seeing it with several applications, apps that other people use and never see problems with, then I suspect your extensions even more :)
[20:55] <zwe-y-luna> thanks
[20:57] <zwe-y-luna> i need help from installer parley whats problem dident install the program its a not could make a dowload a pakages
[20:58] <zwe-y-luna> i not see for undertand
[20:58] <arraybolt3[m]> zwe-y-luna: Could you send a screenshot of the error you're getting?
[20:58] <oerheks> https://snapcraft.io/install/parley/ubuntu
[20:59] <oerheks> sudo snap install parley
[20:59] <oerheks> as deb package, enable universe repo in updates https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=parley
[21:00] <zwe-y-luna> wy snap i aptitude install parley and get bye not dowload the fichas that its a problem
[21:00] <arraybolt3[m]> zwe-y-luna: Are you having problems downloading new collections?
[21:01] <zwe-y-luna> yes
[21:01] <arraybolt3[m]> zwe-y-luna: Are you connecting to the internet through a proxy?
[21:02] <zwe-y-luna> o wuau
[21:02] <zwe-y-luna> a dident install to snap now its ok
[21:02] <oerheks> :-)
[21:02] <zwe-y-luna> with aptitude not working
[21:03] <zwe-y-luna> who is snap
[21:03] <zwe-y-luna> ist cool
[21:03] <oerheks> !snap
[21:04] <zwe-y-luna> cool thaks for helping
[21:05] <zwe-y-luna> my english ist very poor
[21:05] <arraybolt3[m]> zwe-y-luna: That's fine. As long as things are working right, we're fine with that.
[21:08] <PeGaSuS> hi! stupid question: is there a way to "force" my server to have all CPU cores to run at least at 80% all the time?
[21:10] <sarnold> PeGaSuS: stress-ng perhaps?
[21:10] <arraybolt3[m]> PeGaSuS: Are you trying to improve performance, or are you testing your server?
[21:12] <PeGaSuS> more like stress testing the CPU to see how well it handles stuff. it's an Atom N2800 CPU and 4Gb DDR3 RAM
[21:15] <PeGaSuS> I'll take a look at stress-ng as soon as the OS install is completed
[21:18] <tomreyn> you said server, then you said atom N2800
[21:18] <arraybolt3[m]> tomreyn: Are those incompatible? People use RPi's as servers sometimes.
[21:18] <sarnold> atoms are quite popular for NAS-style servers
[21:19] <tomreyn> i jumped to conclusions, assuming talk was about server hardware.
[21:43] <noarb> What's the correct way to mount in dev proc sys for a chroot? Does order matter? I tried sudo mount --bind /dev "$chroot_path/dev", but then I had this problem "sudo: unable to allocate pty: No such device" and had to reboot to fix it
[21:44] <arraybolt3[m]> You need to do /dev before /dev/pts, but other than that, order shouldn't matter.
[21:49] <leftyfb> noarb: you need to mount those before you chroot
[21:49] <zwe-y-luna> hi answer program amarok existing now?
[21:50] <PeGaSuS> erm.. another stupid question: snap seems to have no "autocomplete" feature, even if it's enabled on `/etc/bash.bashrc`.. I tried `snap install --classic certb<tab>` and while it should have autocomplete to certbot, it didn't. quite sure that it used to work on 20.04...
[21:50] <arraybolt3[m]> zwe-y-luna: Try running "apt-cache search amarok" in a terminal, and it should tell you.
[21:50] <zwe-y-luna> i more twenty years not installing ubuntu but amarok its my favorite program
[21:51] <leftyfb> PeGaSuS: works for me on both 20.04 and 22.04
[21:52] <murmel> leftyfb: did you do anything special? have a freshly installed vm on 22.04 and it doesn't work
[21:52] <leftyfb> no
[21:52] <PeGaSuS> leftyfb: doesn't work on my VPS, though, when I try it..   :/
[21:53] <zwe-y-luna> not exist amarok now cry...
[21:53] <arraybolt3[m]> zwe-y-luna: Sadly, it appears amarok is no longer available for Ubuntu beyond 18.04. However, it does still exist, let me see how to install it.
[21:53] <oerheks> snap install certb<tab>  works fine , put --cl <tab>  after that
[21:53] <oerheks> there might be more programms starting with cert
[21:54] <zwe-y-luna> i undertand thanks
[21:54] <murmel> hm even with --classic at the end, it doens't work (I tested out till certbo)
[21:55] <PeGaSuS> I've tried exactly `snap install --classic certbo` and it didn't autocomplete
[21:55] <murmel> but I also have issues with installed snaps, so no idea
[21:56] <arraybolt3[m]> zwe-y-luna: A PPA with a recent version of Amarok is here: https://launchpad.net/~joe-yasi/+archive/ubuntu/amarok-kde5 It may be buggy, however. How new is your computer?
[21:57] <zwe-y-luna> its new i9
[21:57] <PeGaSuS> my bash.bashrc contents: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/pTmjPPq754/ ; my /etc/profile: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Ng9gYRyFgv/ ; my $HOME/.bashrc: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/t4p9cw8f9X/
[21:58] <PeGaSuS> /etc/bash.bashrc *
[21:59] <arraybolt3[m]> zwe-y-luna: You might be able to install GNOME Boxes (sudo apt install gnome-boxes), then create a Kubuntu 18.04 virtual machine, then install Amarok in that.
[22:00] <zwe-y-luna> arraybolt3[m], ok try dat
[22:01] <leftyfb> PeGaSuS: https://i.imgur.com/RhA9Zl9.gif
[22:05] <arraybolt3[m]> zwe-y-luna: Here's a link where you can download Kubuntu 18.04 for your virtual machine: https://web.archive.org/web/20210725083333/https://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/18.04/release/
[22:05] <zwe-y-luna> arraybolt3[m], cool its make that now installing
[22:06] <PeGaSuS> leftyfb: tried all of that and didn't work. it's a fresh install of a 22.04 Ubuntu server
[22:08] <leftyfb> PeGaSuS: that was done on my desktop. I also tried on ubuntu server running on a raspberry pi, it also tab completes and I have almost nothing running or installed on that server. Only monitors my UPS
[22:09] <murmel> oO why do I need to login for viewing a pastebin. I mean pasting something I understand because of spammers, but viewing oO
[22:15] <PeGaSuS> I've even tried to `apt insall --reinstall snapd` and no success
[22:15] <zwe-y-luna> arraybolt3[m], its ok ready virtal box thanks
[22:16] <arraybolt3[m]> zwe-y-luna: Nice. Now you should be able to install Amarok in the virtual machine like you normally would.
[22:17] <zwe-y-luna> arraybolt3[m], yes your help try me a good memories
[22:18] <arraybolt3[m]> zwe-y-luna: 👍️
[22:19] <zwe-y-luna> arraybolt3[m], think about freenode chanel jejeje
[22:25] <zwe-y-luna> arraybolt3[m], its gone install amarok in virtual box very cool
[23:37] <cluelessperson> minecraft crashed ubuntu user shell
[23:37] <cluelessperson> it restarted and I had to login again
[23:41] <cluelessperson> How can I mute discord's app armor snap messages?
[23:42] <sarnold> cluelessperson: let discord ptrace all your processes
[23:43] <cluelessperson> sarnold, no.
[23:43] <sarnold> cluelessperson: https://github.com/snapcrafters/discord/issues/23
[23:43] <cluelessperson> I want to mute the messages
[23:44] <sarnold> cluelessperson: there's a 'deny' rule listed there you can add to your profile; you'll have to re-do it every time snap updates the snap though
[23:44] <cluelessperson> I am not giving discord control over other processes.
[23:44] <cluelessperson> sarnold, I just want to mute the logging
[23:47] <cluelessperson> minecraft just crashes when attempting to change graphics settings in new ubuntu
[23:49] <oerheks> Connecting unity7 seems to silence all of the denials   https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/discord-ptrace-apparmor-denials/5099/12   `sudo snap connect discord:system-observe :system-observe && snap connect discord:unity7 :unity7
[23:50] <oerheks> but who wants to use such closed protocol..