[02:54] <tsimonq2> Very nice work arraybolt3 @arraybolt3:matrix.org
[02:55] <arraybolt3[m]> Thank you! You taught me well.
[02:55] <arraybolt3[m]> Happy 4th of July, btw!
[02:55] <arraybolt3[m]> (Fireworks are in full attack mode in my area LOL)
[02:56] <tsimonq2> 4th of July plans now, I'm grabbing a beer so in about an hour I'll be silently peacing out :)
[02:56] <tsimonq2> (Of this chat, of course, for reasons)
[02:56] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3[m]: Mine too
[02:57] <arraybolt3[m]> OK. I'll probably hack away at the last seven backports at some point tonight, hopefully finish them tomorrow. Thanks again.
[02:58] <tsimonq2> Very nice work as always 
[02:58] <tsimonq2> Keep it up :)
[04:37] <arraybolt3[m]> teward: For whenever you see this, Lubuntu Discourse is down.
[05:58] <guiverc> arraybolt3[m], it's working for me (refresh)
[05:59]  * guiverc sorry I misread the hour; a long time has passed since your comment
 Extreemly slow login .. (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <guiverc> sorry I misread the hour; a long time has passed since your comment)
 Unable to login and phab also down @teward001 (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <guiverc> arraybolt3[m], it's working for me (refresh))
[06:53] <arraybolt3[m]> Chrome gives me ERR_ADDRESS_UNREACHABLE when trying to access it.
[06:54]  * guiverc rarely re-logs in.. i reboot this box only one per fornight usually
[11:10] <guiverc> yeah I just tried a search on discourse & I'm only getting spinning... no reply... refresh works on various boxes for me (from local cache possibly) but not in private.browser.mode so I can no confirm issues as per Aaron & Leo of many hours ago
[11:10] <guiverc> teward ^  (when you can)
[12:01] <teward> i'll kick the box in a bit.
[12:01] <teward> networking is weird
[12:02] <guiverc> :)  & thanks teward 
[12:04] <teward> i added an extra IP block to the server so its being weird now though it was fine when i first added it.
[12:07] <teward> though oddly enough discourse loads for me right now
[12:07] <teward> there may have been maintenance at OVH behind the scene
[12:07] <teward> i'll poke it anyways
[12:08] <guiverc> yeah discourse loads fine on this box; and on my debian box too... but I tried (earlier) searching for something & it was just looping, no results..
[12:17] <teward> that probably was the network maintenance ovh did
[12:17] <teward> i'll reboot the machine just in case
[12:18] <teward> or the system just being slow/dense
 rebooting the box now
 kicking it into recovery mode
 both git and discourse are down while i poke this
[15:30] <arraybolt3[m]> Random Wayland-supporting potential OpenBox alternative: https://github.com/labwc/labwc (found this in the Arch Wiki)
[15:33] <arraybolt3[m]> arraybolt3[m]: Simon Quigley (Developer): Figured you might be interested in this since you said something about wanting a Wayland OpenBox alternative.
[15:36] <arraybolt3[m]> teward: Lubuntu Discourse still not working - trying "curl https://discourse.lubuntu.me" results in "curl: (7) Failed to connect to discourse.lubuntu.me port 443 after 120 ms: No route to host".
[15:37] <teward> well that'd be because Discourse is off right now
[15:37] <teward> i'm still poking
[15:37] <teward> but FT job took priority
[15:37] <arraybolt3[m]> Oh, sorry.
 there we go found the error
 tfw you realize 's' and 'd' are next to each other on US qwerty keyboards and your typing in firewall rules was one character off the entire time
[15:39] <Eickmeyer[m]> @teward001: Typos are a B.
 (in iptables parlance: -s = "source ip", -d = "destination ip", and interchanging either of those will get you totally screwed)
 yes, they are Eickmeyer
 except in this case i knew where to look
 at least, now that I have KVM and Serial access to the box again (it seized earlier)
[15:40] <arraybolt3[m]> Reminds me of when I once typed down, "A friend in need is fried indeed."
[15:41] <Eickmeyer[m]> Kinda like a missing comma in javascript or json
[15:42] <arraybolt3[m]> (The "fried indeed" was a typo back when I wrote it)
[15:42] <Eickmeyer[m]> Frying friends, I see.
 heheh
 yeah and typos in iptables are the worst
 the other problem is, I have a special "ALLOW TO ALL PORTS" rule for my IP so when I'm staging a new service it's accessible to adminonly and not the world
 so, whoopsies.
 tks @teward001 - quick confirm - login/out phab/discourse - all good
[15:57] <arraybolt3[m]> Confirmed, Discourse is now loading for me.
[16:04] <kc2bez[m]> arraybolt3 @arraybolt3:matrix.org:  regarding Wayland you should read through this lengthy bug. https://github.com/lxqt/lxqt/issues/10
 yeah it's better when the firewall DOESN'T block the port ;) (re @Leokolb: tks @teward001 - quick confirm - login/out phab/discourse - all good)
[16:06] <kc2bez[m]> The tl;Dr is not everything in LXQt is Wayland compatible. lxqt-panel being one of the biggest issues.
[16:06] <kc2bez[m]> Thanks @teward001 for all your help 
[16:06] <arraybolt3[m]> Ugh. That's the second most important part of the whole desktop IMO. I didn't realize Wayland was so fragmented before.
 technically it's one of my jobs kc2bez
 Lo
 lol*
[18:12] <tsimonq2> I'm likely going to be afk very much until the 7th 
[18:13] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3 @arraybolt3:matrix.org: I'll take your packages to review now... can I also get that one uploaded to Ubuntu's NEW queue?
[18:16] <arraybolt3[m]> Simon Quigley (Developer): Just showed up again, you still here?
[18:16] <arraybolt3[m]> OK, one moment, I'll get the package list...
[18:17] <arraybolt3[m]> (Also, if by "that one" you mean lubuntu-installer-prompt, yeah, I'm pretty sure it's ready, link incoming.)
[18:17] <arraybolt3[m]> Simon Quigley (Developer): Lubuntu-installer-prompt packaging: https://github.com/ArrayBolt3/installer-prompt-packaging
 "Simon Quigley (Developer): For..." <- List of PRs
[18:18] <arraybolt3[m]> And Matrix is going to hide the link...
[18:19] <arraybolt3[m]> Simon Quigley (Developer): https://pastebin.com/J4tSNUxd OK, that's the list of PRs.
[18:21] <arraybolt3[m]> Simon Quigley (Developer): Also, in addition to that list, I got another one done: https://github.com/lubuntu-team/lxqt-sudo-packaging/pull/1
[18:21] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3[m]: Yep
[19:00] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3 @arraybolt3:matrix.org: Not ignoring your requests, will do in the next hour or two before I leave 
[19:00] <arraybolt3[m]> np
[19:01] <arraybolt3[m]> I've still got 6 packages left to backport (working on pcmanfm-qt at the moment), so no hurry.
[20:42] <tsimonq2> Asked kindly in #_oftc_#debian-ftp:matrix.org for an update on qtxdg-tools being reviewed.
[20:42] <tsimonq2> Looking at your PRs now
[20:42] <tsimonq2> I'll start with the source NEW package and work my way back.
[20:43] <arraybolt3[m]> Sounds like a plan.
[20:43] <arraybolt3[m]> I skimmed through the LXQt Wayland thread, I think we're probably gonna be in X11 land for another few years...
[20:43] <tsimonq2> Perhaps.
[20:43] <tsimonq2> Hey so for future reference...
[20:44] <tsimonq2> Uploaders: Simon Quigley <tsimonq2@ubuntu.com>
[20:44] <tsimonq2>            Aaron Rainbolt <arraybolt3@gmail.com>
[20:44] <tsimonq2> That needs a comma at the end of my name :)
[20:44] <tsimonq2> Er that entire line
[20:44] <tsimonq2> So it now becomes...
[20:44] <tsimonq2> Uploaders: Simon Quigley <tsimonq2@ubuntu.com>,
[20:44] <tsimonq2>            Aaron Rainbolt <arraybolt3@gmail.com>
[20:44] <arraybolt3[m]> Oh yeah, that makes sense, like everything else in d/control.
[20:44]  * arraybolt3[m] growls at Lintian for not telling me about that
[20:44] <arraybolt3[m]> (I've even got it set to evil and pedantic!)
 "Simon Quigley (Developer): https..." <- Holy cow.
[21:03] <tsimonq2> Lemme take five before I start on that 🤣
[21:03] <arraybolt3[m]> I only had two days left before the sprint, so I sprinted early :)
[21:03] <tsimonq2> >:D
[21:03] <arraybolt3[m]> s/two/three
[21:03] <tsimonq2> missing a trailing slash :P
[21:03]  * tsimonq2 whispers "he's learning"
[21:04] <arraybolt3[m]> *three then.
[21:04] <tsimonq2> s/two/three/ :P
[21:04] <tsimonq2> and s/two/three/g for multiple instances in the line
[21:04] <arraybolt3[m]> Right. I know, I was being silly. I don't use Vim (tried once, didn't like it), so I sorta get these terms, but not all the details.
[21:07] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3 @arraybolt3:matrix.org: I will address these per build level (please separate them in order) but I will also be doing all of the pushing and uploading at once 
[21:08] <arraybolt3[m]> OK, will keep in mind, want me to separate them now?
[21:08] <tsimonq2> I may do thorough reviews but I have local scripts that make me feel lazy :P
[21:08] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3[m]: Please 
[21:08] <arraybolt3[m]> (Working across two different computers, plus dealing with two build stages and an extra change, things got <sarcasm>a bit</sarcasm> scrambled.)
[21:08] <tsimonq2> (I still manually spot check all diffs don't worry.)
[21:08] <arraybolt3[m]> on it
[21:09] <arraybolt3[m]> And I actually have a couple PRs to add to the list, so it will be a bit bigger this second time.
[21:11] <arraybolt3[m]> Simon Quigley (Developer): Sorted and updated PR list: https://pastebin.com/sXih1Hhf
[21:12] <tsimonq2> I'm just taking your short drive before I come back and merge all of those but what I'm going to do is well is in the upstream dock I'll edit it so that there's a machine readable space separated list of all the packages that way I can just load it into a script easily
[21:12] <tsimonq2> So I'll do one at the top and then I'll do 1 per build stage that should make it easy for me to just do a bash script
[21:12] <tsimonq2> You're sitting doing the tedious work go ahead otherwise I'll just do it
[21:12] <arraybolt3[m]> OK. You can send me specifics about the desired file format for me to follow if you'd like, though if you prefer doing it this way that's fine.
[21:13] <tsimonq2> Excuse my talk to texans
[21:13] <tsimonq2> I ❤️ Markdown
[21:13] <arraybolt3[m]> LOL I can translate AutoIncorrect, don't worry.
[21:14] <tsimonq2> # Markdown formatting is supported in Element BTW lol
[21:14] <arraybolt3[m]> Ah, as a heavy Reddit user, I ❤️ markdown also.
[21:14] <arraybolt3[m]> `You're kidding!` Woot! #That is so cool.
[21:14] <arraybolt3[m]>  * `You're kidding!` Woot!
[21:14] <arraybolt3[m]> #That is so cool.
[21:15] <arraybolt3[m]> OK well not as well supported as I'l like LOL
[21:15] <arraybolt3[m]> #does this work
[21:15] <arraybolt3[m]> # does this work
[21:15] <arraybolt3[m]> (There we go. So snoomark and Element's markdwon are a bit different.)
[21:15] <arraybolt3[m]>  * `You're kidding!` Woot!
[21:15] <arraybolt3[m]> # That is so cool.
[21:16] <arraybolt3[m]> s/markdwon/markdown/
[21:16] <arraybolt3[m]> s/l/d/
[21:18] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3[m]: f
[21:19] <arraybolt3[m]> I was wrong, I was taking Reddit's idea of markdown and using it in Element. Reddit's fine with #abc, but Element wants # abc.
[21:19] <arraybolt3[m]>  * OK well not as well supported as I'd like LOL (nevermind turns out I'm just having to figure out Element)
[21:19] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3[m]: Element uses mark down format that's closer to the standard I'd say then reddit does no offense to reddit they have to implement it in their own way for it to be able to work for them I don't blame them in the slightest
[21:20] <tsimonq2> Reddit's a big platform it's like fighting Google
[21:20] <arraybolt3[m]> Makes sense to me. Besides, I don't expect a chat and collaboration program to inherit all the features of a social media site.
[21:21] <tsimonq2> The other thing to consider 2 if your motivated enough is that elements is completely open source so I don't see why it couldn't support some of those formatic features if there was a plug in with some kind
[21:21] <tsimonq2> Yes talk to texans added again
[21:22] <arraybolt3[m]> Eh, we just need to get words from point A to point B, where B is an array of everyone in the room. I'll save my energy for Lubuntu for the time being.
[21:22] <tsimonq2> Yeah to be fair focusing on formatting rather than the contents of the actual message is pretty much bike shedding
[21:22] <arraybolt3[m]> (And A is left undefined I guess. No wonder people have a hard time with C.)
[21:23] <tsimonq2> And to be fair to different channels have different policies on what you can put in there
[21:23] <arraybolt3[m]> And the channels are all IRC, we're probably leaving a dandy mess for anyone who follows on IRC to read through right now.
[21:24] <tsimonq2> Probably, either way I like to keep this channel a loser a lot looser and more informal than it used to be because it creates a better connection between the people working together, instead of me sitting here and saying oh all of the off topic stuff should go to the off topic channel, I don't think I've even been in the off topic channel for a long time now, so it really depends on how you work as a team
[21:24] <tsimonq2> If fair once the project completely switches to matrix we will be separating the channels a little bit more but for now I think it's totally cool
[21:24] <arraybolt3[m]> And the off-topic channels are miserable IMO. I just want to talk with my buddies and code. I don't want to start a politics flame war. Please.
[21:25] <tsimonq2> Given your geographic location I'm probably 5050 on whether or not we share political views but again you're right we should be focusing on the technical stuff rather than getting into political flame wars
[21:27] <arraybolt3[m]> But the off-topic is fun. I like that it's like all working together in a work-from-$HOME environment and are using live chat. Probably would make #ubuntu-devel go crazy, but for small teams, it's dynamite.
 well i have a problem - the Enter key on my laptop is busted now xD
 time to get a new keyboard xD
[21:28] <arraybolt3[m]> @teward001: Oh great. I used to just stick a USB keyboard on top of the laptop and go that way when stuff like that happened to me. A bit of foam will raise it up above the rest of the keyboard if you need.
[21:29] <arraybolt3[m]> (Foam as in foamboard, not like soap foam...)
 heheh i have a foldable bluetooth keyboard that works in the interim
 and external keyboards as well if i need them
 but still
 this is a laptop so :P
 @teward001 why I don't use my first laptop I installed lubuntu on anymore the 3 key is busted
[21:30] <arraybolt3[m]> I bought a new Chromebook over a delapidating keyboard, so I feel you.
 heheheh well in my defense, Dell still has refurbished parts on this 3 year old XPS that still holds a candle to many things so
[21:30] <arraybolt3[m]> Both of you.
 and its only ike $50 to get a refurb'd keyboard from Dell
[21:31] <arraybolt3[m]> @teward001: heaves 50 dollars for a keyboard? I cringe if I have to pay that much for a new SSD.
 well
 this is a backlit keyboard
 and not trivial to install/replace but still
[21:32] <arraybolt3[m]> Oh. Well that changes things.
 better $50 than $2000 for a comparable laptop
 You need talk to Texans (re @teward001: well i have a problem - the Enter key on my laptop is busted now xD)
[21:32]  * arraybolt3[m] likes shiny keyboards
[21:33] <arraybolt3[m]> @kc2bez: /me gets a visual of trying to program using speech recognition (publish stasis void main string arr-matey arguments)
 lol @kc2bez
 yeah the backlit keyboard is a must 'cause i do a lot of night-time coding and can't have the lights on all the time depending on where that coding happens (especially when travelling) (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <arraybolt3[m]> Oh. Well that changes things.)
[21:35] <arraybolt3[m]> I've used backlit keyboards a couple of times - I have yet to have a computer that uses one by default, but it would be nice. I like to go cheap almost everywhere though - I'm thinking of upgrading my desktop eventually and spent a good deal of time getting PCPartPicker to give me something under $600 with 64 GB RAM - you can actually do that turns out.
 there's like 4 options for Dell to fix this.  (1) send them the laptop and pay $39+$19 for expedited, (2) send them the laptop and pay $39 for standard, (3) pay $129 for on-site service.  the 4th option:  "I just need the part, I can do the install myself, can you assist me in placing the proper order?"
 no work on their part and they still get cash xD
 no real work*
 I agree, I really like the backlit keyboard on the laptop. It ranks pretty high on the needs.
[21:40] <arraybolt3[m]> Simon Quigley (Developer): Quick question for you - QTerminal has a Debian-developed manpage (not from upstream), and it also provides help with its --help switch, should I chuck the man page? Or since it comes from Debian do you think that would be hard to upstream and would result in a needless Ubuntu delta?
 it's also *standard* on the Dell XPS line of systems (re @kc2bez: I agree, I really like the backlit keyboard on the laptop. It ranks pretty high on the needs.)
 but i don't want to pay $2k for a new laptop so i'll fork out the $50 to replace the broken inbuilt keyboard xD
[21:48] <arraybolt3[m]> @teward001: This might be silly, but I've had many a "broken" keyboard key be fixed by simply prying it off, cleaning out the area underneath, and putting everything back together. Not sure how trivial that is with a Dell XPS, but just a thought for you.
[21:50] <arraybolt3[m]> You might also take the whole keyboard out, take it apart, clean it, put it back together, and try again. Save $50 and do little more than you'd do installing a new keyboard in the first place.
 this is actually a broken key (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <arraybolt3[m]> @teward001: This might be silly, but I've had many a "broken" keyboard key be fixed by simply prying it off, cleaning out the area underneath, and putting everything back together. Not sure how trivial that is with a Dell XPS, but just a thought for you.)
 like the actual key itself not the underlying rubberized contact layer or anything
 the enter key *literally* snapped in half
[21:52] <arraybolt3[m]> Oh, OK. Thought maybe I was being helpful. Man, you must slam the Enter key the way I do.
 no worries
 keep in mind this is the first keyboard replace on this systme in about 4 years since i purchased the computer
 so that's a durable keyboard :P
[21:54] <arraybolt3[m]> Nice. $50 of maintenance to keep a system that good going sounds good. I'm still using an ancient HP Z220 SFF workstation, thing's running like a champ so far, though I would like an upgrade for the sake of an extra dose of RAM.
 @kc2bez git.lubuntu.me SSH working as expected, yay for multiple IPs
 had to edit the app.ini config to enable SSH and then do some rejiggering to make sure it worked properly with the ssh shimming
[21:55] <arraybolt3[m]> Wait, it's almost ready? OK, that's exciting!
 https://matterbridge.lubuntu.me/c6ae7e91/file_5008.jpg
 that, is the key after it snapped off the keyboard and you can see exactly HOW the key snapped
[21:56]  * arraybolt3[m] decides to stop rambling on off-topic and actually do the backports
[21:56] <teward> yes git.lubuntu.me is almost ready
[21:57] <teward> it's probably a little slow than say github or launchpad but
[21:57] <teward> it exists, SSH works, and i just tested it with the repos that had already been spawned there :)
[21:57] <arraybolt3[m]> I can browse through and see repos, so I can verify it appears to be working so far from my end.
[21:58] <teward> yep, and I know HTTPS clone worked
[21:58] <teward> but SSH had been disabled because I'm a lazy SOB and couldn't find where it was disabled.  Finally found it, turned it back on at the app.ini level, and made sure the shims worked with my SSH keys
[21:58] <teward> so, yay.  just put your SSH auth keys in on the user panel first
 "Simon Quigley (Developer): Quick..." <- I'm confused, if it comes from Debian, keep it in Debian, no need to only keep it in Ubuntu :)
[21:59] <tsimonq2> Looking
[21:59] <arraybolt3[m]> Simon Quigley (Developer): Won't that result in an Ubuntu delta next time we sync from Debian?
 "Simon Quigley (Developer..." <- This
[21:59] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3[m]: Why would it?
[21:59] <arraybolt3[m]> https://github.com/lubuntu-team/qterminal-packaging/pull/1 PR is here if interested
[21:59] <arraybolt3[m]> Simon Quigley (Developer): Because, if the man page is present in Debian, and absent in Ubuntu, then every time we sync from Debian, we have to remove the man page.
[22:00] <arraybolt3[m]> (I mean, I guess we can just absorb the man page back in again, but at that point we'd get the Lintian gripe that inspired this mess back.)
[22:01] <arraybolt3[m]> Simon Quigley (Developer): By "from Debian", I mean that there's a man page in our packaging repo that isn't in the original source code, Lintian's griping about it, and a quick "man qterminal" on Kinetic shows that it came from Debian upstream most likely.
[22:08] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3: `Stage III` ✅
[22:08] <tsimonq2> Just waiting on builds to finish and I can batch review the next layer.
[22:08] <arraybolt3[m]> Fantastic. I'm finishing up on the last package of Stage IV right now.
[22:08] <tsimonq2> Sweet.
[22:09] <tsimonq2> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/611453825/buildlog_ubuntu-jammy-amd64.obconf-qt_0.16.2-0ubuntu1~ppa1_BUILDING.txt.gz
[22:09] <tsimonq2> ✅ obconf-qt I'd imagine
[22:10] <arraybolt3[m]> Yep, confirmed.
[22:10] <tsimonq2> ditto qtermwidget
[22:10] <tsimonq2> Builds finish in like less than 5 mins but that publisher is gonna take an hour LMAO
[22:11] <arraybolt3[m]> Simon Quigley (Developer): BTW, in case you missed it, I had to do near-full copyright file rebuilds on more than one package, and a substantial amount of copyright data was found that was originally missing when I did those rebuilds, so we need to do a copyright file audit on LXQt at some point (unless I'm missing something).
[22:11] <tsimonq2> If Dan or Thomas are around to poke all the depwait failures for the next few hours I can upload these and scram. Or scram now and let you finish the stage them do it all at once. What do you think?
[22:11] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3[m]: Thanks for noticing!
[22:12] <arraybolt3[m]> Almost done on Stave IV, you tell me how you want it done.
[22:13] <tsimonq2> When I come back much later on in the night I will review the entire stage, that will give you some time to give everything a second lookover. More than often people will then find changes that I'll have to smack you upside the head for before it even gets reviewed by me ;)
[22:14] <arraybolt3[m]> LOL OK. My system so far has been, prep for backport, update copyright file, sbuild, fix all lintian gripes, sbuild, done. So far it's resulted in a lot of accepted-first-time PRs, and any time there's something of note, I include it in the PR, so hopefully it should all be AOK.
[22:15] <tsimonq2> Otherwise teward or kc2bez feel free to sponsor. Just remember to push it to the `backports/jammy` branch and make a `backports/VERSION` tag. Replace `~` with `%`.
[22:16] <tsimonq2> `git remote add arraybolt3 <HIS_GIT_REPO> && git fetch arraybolt3 && git diff ubuntu/kinetic HEAD`
[22:16] <tsimonq2> Anyway...
[22:16]  * tsimonq2 afk for a bit
[22:16] <tsimonq2> Thanks again for your work
[22:17] <arraybolt3[m]> You too!
[22:17] <tsimonq2> Also don't be afraid to start on more Debian uploads if you get bored. ;)
[22:17] <arraybolt3[m]> (OK, that may have come across wrong, but you get what I'm trying to say.)
[22:17] <arraybolt3[m]> tsimonq2: Me?
[22:17] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3[m]: Not at all :)
[22:18] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3[m]: Yeah, if you finish with backports (you already have a process, I'd be surprised if you haven't chained many commands with `&&` by now) and get bored, feel free to prep more uploads to Debian
[22:18] <arraybolt3[m]> OK, not sure which packages though, you may have told me a thousand times, but I missed it if so...
[22:18] <tsimonq2> Alright anyways, ping with questions, I'll respond with the good 'ol Talk to Texan program ;P
[22:19] <arraybolt3[m]> You got it.
[22:19]  * arraybolt3[m] enables t2texas++filt
[22:19] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3[m]: Go through the stack and check if 1.1.0 (or the latest version) have been uploaded to Debian Experimental yet. If it hasn't, it needs to be done. I'm very far behind.
[22:19] <arraybolt3[m]> Ah, that makes sense.
[22:19] <tsimonq2> To save time... `https://tracker.debian.org/PACKAGE_NAME`
[22:19] <tsimonq2> That gets you the link to everything you need
[22:20] <tsimonq2> Very verbose
[22:20] <tsimonq2> Just remember to use GBP if you're working with Salsa repos...
[22:20] <arraybolt3[m]> I don't know how to use that...
[22:20] <arraybolt3[m]> (is sbuild with debian sid OK?)
 sbuild works fine with sid
 if you're building for debian unstable (the usual target for packages in Debian)
[22:21] <arraybolt3[m]> @teward001: 👍️
[22:35] <arraybolt3[m]> Simon Quigley (Developer): Just in case it got forgotten, since I know it's high-priority: We still have that SRU bug open for Calamares 3.2.60 (I believe) into Jammy, and I've not seen Robie reply yet, so in case that's something that needs brought back up, just a quick reminder.
[22:35] <tsimonq2> Yes, I would add experimental as a source and use aptitude as your build dep resolver though so you aren't depwait
[22:36] <arraybolt3[m]> Ah, forgot about the bit about aptitude build dep resolver, thank you for reminding me!
[22:37] <arraybolt3[m]> Silly question, but I'm a security freak - Is it OK to use mk-sbuild to create a new schroot even if your GPG key directory isn't available? I replace the GPG directory on my VM with a symlink to a directory on my locked-down USB drive, so any time the USB isn't passed into the VM, I have a dangling symlink. Does that have the potential to go wrong security-wise?
[22:37] <arraybolt3[m]> s/replace/replaced/
[22:39] <arraybolt3[m]> (I see debootstrap uses a keyring, so it should be fine, never mind.)
 @kc2bez gittea email is also set up yay
[22:48] <kc2bez[m]> Oh nice! 
[22:48] <kc2bez[m]> I am not sure I will have time tonight but I will get back to that soon.
 yeah i had to prod some config options
 #Blah
[22:51] <kc2bez[m]> I had a feeling, thanks for taking care of that.
 yeah all the gitea options are at the app.ini file or env vars
 and i needed time to get to the smtp server and config *that*
 because we use that dedicated smtp server i have running for us :P
 which in turn needs user auth and stuff too
[22:52] <kc2bez[m]> Makes sense.
[22:52]  * arraybolt3[m] goes to make lunch
 *steals Dan's wallet, borrows $20 for food*
[22:53] <kc2bez[m]> XD
[22:53] <kc2bez[m]> If we ever meet in person I would buy y'all lunch.
 take a short trip down to Pittsburgh, PA, you'll be able to meet up with me
 provided of course I don't get ill or get sick with COVID again xD
[23:04] <teward> upgrade in progress btw on gitea
[23:04] <teward> docker is fun >.<
[23:21] <tsimonq2> I think we should all just go to SELF next year, get there maybe a day or two early to just bang out the rest of the conference setup and help (random +5 volunteers would have helped this year, I imagine it'll help again next year :P) then get a room for ourselves to bang out a day sprint and do a mini Lubuntu thing before the conference 
[23:22] <tsimonq2> The only thing would really come down to, obviously Lubuntu would cover obviously group expenses but start saving :) and if you for sure are going to need financial help have that conversation with the treasurer 
[23:23] <tsimonq2> Not sure how far of a trek Charlotte, NC is for y'all 
 :( soooo far :p
[23:24] <arraybolt3[m]> Sounds fun, $PERSONAL_LIFE currently has too many critical continuous responsibilities for me to do that, but things may change.
[23:24] <tsimonq2> Maybe come once every couple of years :P
[23:24] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3[m]: You have like another year :)
[23:25] <arraybolt3[m]> I finished Stage IV of the backport, I could start going to Stage 5, but I'd rather let everything upload to the PPA first so I can have a bit of a break before getting started again.
[23:25] <arraybolt3[m]> s/could/_could_/, s/5/V/