[03:01] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[13:08] <wez> lotuspsychje: Evening
[16:46] <oerheks> mr systemd / pulseaudio goes to microsoft, epic
[16:46] <oerheks> https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Lennart-Poettering-Out-Red-Hat
[16:50] <arraybolt3[m]> oerheks: Sometimes part of me wonders if Microsoft is getting ready to decomission Windows entirely and wants to replace it with Linux since that's what everyone else seems to be doing (other than Apple, and even they're on the UNIX bandwagon). Despite its popularity, Windows is somewhat of a "weird OS" compared to everything else major (macOS, Android, iOS, Red Hat, chromeOS, etc.).
[16:50] <arraybolt3[m]> (At least everything else major that I know of.)
[16:52] <oerheks> yes, chromium is a good example, i mean edge
[16:54] <arraybolt3[m]> If they really wanted to do that, they could. Just reduce Windows efforts to bug fixes and security updates, pour everything else into Wine for a few months until it was up-to-par with Windows itself, then set a final EOL date for Windows and keep Wine and Windows up to par with each other until that date, then switch everything over to Wine for legacy compatibility.
[16:54] <arraybolt3[m]> (At least, that's what I'd do, not sure if there would be other things hindering it.)
[16:55] <oerheks> microsoft should adopt snap :-D
[16:55]  * arraybolt3[m] can't believe I didn't put Ubuntu in my list of major operating systems
[16:56] <arraybolt3[m]> oeheks: Actually, not a bad idea for security-conscious use cases. They could go the Docker route and put a Linux VM inside Windows that allowed Snap app compatibility - it would be like WSL2Lite.
[16:56] <arraybolt3[m]> (I wonder if Microsoft snoops on this chat and it's places like this that gave them the idea for WSL2 in the first place.)
[16:57] <oerheks> linux steam running smoother than native windows one, i see this happening
[16:58] <daftykins> yeah the UI itself, with no games ;)
[17:34] <hggdh> arraybolt3[m]: no, MSFT is not decommissioning Windows. But MSFT is extremely serious about open source nowadays, and is building/has built a nice group of Linuxers
[17:36] <arraybolt3[m]> hggdh: I know they've not announced it or anything. But when you start pouring your efforts into someone else's project when you could be making money doing that to your own project... I mean, I guess they make money by making Linux work well with stuff like Azure, and nVidia has already shown us how bad it goes when you try to "go it alone" at adding Linux support - they finally gave up and are just going open-source.
[17:37] <hggdh> oh we are going open source heavily :-)
[17:37] <arraybolt3[m]> (Not that that's exactly why they went open-source, but it may have been a contributing factor.)
[17:37] <arraybolt3[m]> hggdh: We... wait, you're an nVidia person?
[17:38] <hggdh> I guess -- I do not really know -- that all started to change with the rise of Azure, and Azure customers requiring Linux
[17:38] <hggdh> arraybolt3[m]: no, not vNidia, MSFT
[17:38] <hggdh> *nVidia
[17:39] <arraybolt3[m]> Ah.
[17:41] <arraybolt3[m]> hggdh: Well would you please tell your people that we little folks down here don't like when you make something aaaaalmost open source but then add on DRM crud and licensing restrictions? (@VSCODE)
[17:41] <arraybolt3[m]> (Yes, I know that VSCode is opensource, but the binary isn't, and stuff that works with the binary won't work with other builds, and that was seriously annoying at one point.)
[17:41] <ravage> vscode has no license restrictions. you can get vscodium
[17:42] <arraybolt3[m]> Yes, I know. But you can't use MSFT's debugger with VSCodium, you have to use Samsung's instead. MSFT's debugger will throw a DRM fit at you if you try to use is with VSCodium.
[17:43] <hggdh> arraybolt3[m]: you mean, binary blobs line in Chrome?
[17:43] <arraybolt3[m]> hggdh: Yes. Like the MSFT C# debugger for VSCode.
[17:43] <arraybolt3[m]> I don't mind binary blobs, I mind binary blobs that don't work right with open-source builds of software that they ought to work with.
[17:45] <hggdh> heh. I fully agree. But it is what it is. I am already happy that vscode is free -- I actually left Visual Studio (which we have, of course, for free), and CLion/PyCharm for it
[17:47] <arraybolt3[m]> Well, I see your point there, but I have to use VSCodium for reasons, not VSCode.
[17:48] <arraybolt3[m]> (OK, this has gone totally off-topic at this point, so I'm going to stop now before an op tells us to cut it out.)
[17:50] <hggdh> LOL
[17:50] <arraybolt3[m]> hggdh: For the record, you guys did an AMAZING job on VSCode.
[21:17] <arraybolt3[m]> NotEickmeyer: OK, forgive me for asking, but I've seen you a lot, and I'm wondering - if you're *not* Eickmeyer, who are you? (Just talking alot with a dev named Eickmeyer and seeing a NotEickmeyer floating around keeps making me thing, "Who is that?")
[21:17] <Eickmeyer[m]> Oh, that's my Quassel instance because I had a power glitch on my server.
[21:17] <arraybolt3[m]> Oh LOL. So NotEickmeyer is Eickmeyer. 🤨
[21:17] <Eickmeyer[m]> Correct.
[21:21] <Eickmeyer[m]> arraybolt3: NotEickmeyer isn't even connected anymore, but Matrix doesn't know that for some reason.