[00:13] <transhumanist> what's the modern day replacement for ping?
[00:14] <transhumanist> that is its not installed with out installing net-tools so there must be a new replacement
[00:16] <arraybolt3[m]> I still have ping on my 22.04 system.
[00:19] <transhumanist> ah your right nm its an error with the host, seemed like it was an error with not finding ping. my bad
[00:20] <transhumanist> q
[01:49] <jhutchins> Isn't there a graphical replacement for ping built into systemd?
[01:49] <jhutchins> I think it only works with wayland.
[03:31] <supervisor> hello
[04:58] <morganu> STEAM gave me a .deb and I have zero idea of what to do with is (my modus is apt. full stop) 20.04
[04:58] <arraybolt3[m]> morganu: Stop, someone recently killed their system trying this.
[04:59] <arraybolt3[m]> (Had to use PhotoRec to recover data, thankfully everything came back OK.)
[04:59] <arraybolt3[m]> morganu: Delete the .deb, then do "sudo apt install steam" in a terminal.
[04:59] <arraybolt3[m]> If it looks like it's about to wreak total havoc, it probably is, back out and try again tomorrow.
[05:00] <arraybolt3[m]> (I mean, if you run the apt command and it looks like it's about to uninstall a ton of stuff, tell it no and try again tomorrow.)
[05:13] <morganu> arraybolt3[m], ok. even though I am cd into the Downloads folder and I see the file steam... apt cant find it. (I am protected, lol)
[05:13] <morganu> like a charm
[05:14] <arraybolt3[m]> morganu: You can't just "sudo apt install steam"? Or are you still trying to install the .deb?
[05:15] <morganu> I did what you said and am now in process of executing - sudo apt install steam
[05:16] <morganu> it is done. I have no games but at a board game meetup I have been learning about the range of games. Social games. Puzzle games. Last night I heard that one or more are on steam. And so Here I am installing it.
[05:17] <morganu> Now I go to activities and see how to start it.
[05:17] <arraybolt3[m]> Cool. Sounds like you got it safely then!
[05:17] <morganu> it is updating. "check" and thanks arraybolt3[m]
[05:20] <arraybolt3[m]> 👍️
[05:31] <oski146> hello i need help here with vanishing icons in gparted on kubuntu
[05:33] <oski146> any help here?
[05:33] <arraybolt3[m]> oski146: Sometimes it takes a while for someone to notice, just give it a bit.
[05:34] <oski146> ok sorry
[05:34] <arraybolt3[m]> You're fine.
[05:34] <arraybolt3[m]> (Er, everything's fine. Just realized that might translate over wrong into German...)
[05:35] <oski146> np :)
[05:45] <oski146> i solved the issue
[05:46] <oski146> just had to change the icon theme to adwaita and then back to breeze dark :)
[07:22] <manwhowouldbekin> Greetings, all! I am on Ubuntu 22.04 and have an issue. Every now and then, I get a notification from a random app not responding. It asks whether I want to force quit or wait. No matter what I press, nothing happens. Random apps throw this warning. Whenever this happens, I am unable to run anything in the terminal. Typically, I try to run something like "killall -SIGQUIT gnome-shell". Sometimes it fixes itself, but
[07:22] <manwhowouldbekin> most of the time I have to do a hard reboot, as I do not know what else to try. How can I troubleshoot this?
[07:23] <manwhowouldbekin> P.S. This also used to happen on Ubuntu 20.04 prior to my upgrading of this machine.
[07:36] <arraybolt3[m]> manwhowouldbekin: Have you made any tweaks to your system?
[07:40] <arraybolt3[m]> Also, the randomness of these issues sounds kinda like a possible RAM problem to me, can you run a test on your system's RAM and see what happens?
[07:40] <manwhowouldbekin> arraybolt3[m], What would those be? I am running a 5.16 kernel, but that is about it.
[07:41] <arraybolt3[m]> I mean, GNOME Shell extensions and the like.
[07:45] <arraybolt3[m]> The bit about being unable to run anything in the terminal sounds particularly suspicious, especially if you're trying commands other than killall. Sounds even more like RAM troubles.
[07:45] <arraybolt3[m]> (Or maybe disk troubles.)
[07:46] <alkisg> Try to press Ctrl+Alt+F2 to switch to VT2, login there, and type `dmesg` to see the kernel errors
[07:46] <arraybolt3[m]> manwhowouldbekin: +1 ^^
[07:50] <Hoerbe> when i came back to my computer a notification said something like "and you have 13 days to solve this" but it disappeared too quickly to figure out its origin
[07:50] <Hoerbe> is there a way to log notifications like in xfce?
[07:50] <arraybolt3[m]> Hoerbe: Firefox update. Close Firefox, open a terminal, and run "sudo snap refresh firefox".
[07:51] <arraybolt3[m]> Either that or else you most likely have a snap you use frequently and it needed updating.
[07:52] <arraybolt3[m]> In which case run "sudo snap refresh <appname>", replacing the placeholder as appropriate.
[07:54] <Hoerbe> arraybolt3[m]: very well, thanks
[07:55] <ogra> you dont need <appname> ... just "sudo snap refresh" ... also "sudo snap refresh --list" tells yu which ones will be upgraded
[07:59] <Hoerbe> ogra: thank you!
[08:03] <Hoerbe> and i found out how to display the notification list (via SUPER+V), this is a good morning :)
[08:24] <nulldoot> hey
[08:24] <nulldoot> i need help
[08:24] <nulldoot> about mount
[08:24] <nulldoot> i have disk HDD
[08:25] <KBar> !ask | nulldoot
[08:25] <nulldoot> wut
[08:25] <nulldoot> => /dev/sda1: LABEL="Data" UUID="01D6236EF70FF080" TYPE="ntfs" PARTLABEL="Basic data partition" PARTUUID="85d94ef4-adef-45e9-9f22-90fee92f4b09"
[08:26] <nulldoot> in /etc/fstab
[08:26] <arraybolt3[m]> nulldoot: We're happy to help, but please try to type more data per line - it helps avoid flooding the channel.
[08:26] <arraybolt3[m]> OK, I see what you're showing.
[08:26] <arraybolt3[m]> Can you use a pastebin service for showing the /etc/fstab data? Pastebin.com
[08:26] <nulldoot> i set: UUID="01D6236EF70FF080" /mnt/Data ntfs 3g defaults, x-gvfs-show 0 0
[08:26] <arraybolt3[m]> Ah, OK.
[08:27] <nulldoot> i want ask: ntfs and ntfs-3g what is difficult ?
[08:27] <nulldoot> and defaults, x-gvfs-show 0 0 ? what is that
[08:27] <nulldoot> !ask
[08:28] <arraybolt3[m]> nulldoot: Hang on, I'm trying to help answer...
[08:28] <nulldoot> okay
[08:29] <arraybolt3[m]> nulldoot: I think the best info you'll get will be by opening a terminal and running "man fstab". That will tell you the details of what you're looking at.
[08:29] <arraybolt3[m]> Also "man mount" will be helpful.
[08:30] <arraybolt3[m]> The "man" command opens manual pages for various parts of your system - think of it like the "instant help" command. You put the name of the command you want help on at the end, and it tells you info about that command.
[08:30] <arraybolt3[m]> So for all the info about how mount and fstab work, "man mount" will give you info about the mount command, while "man fstab" will give you info about the fstab file.
[08:35] <KBar> mount(8) is huge, though, so it probably won't be "instant", unless you know how to orient youself through man pages.
[08:35] <nulldoot> :(
[08:45] <Hoerbe> any tips how i could conserve visited websites for offline use?
[08:47] <lotuspsychje> Hoerbe: thats not really an ubuntu specific issue
[08:48] <lotuspsychje> Hoerbe: maybe in #ubuntu-discuss or #ubuntu-offtopic ?
[08:48] <lotuspsychje> Hoerbe: or, the channel of the browser you are using
[08:50] <Hoerbe> ah, okay
[10:18] <Jonopoly> anyone got a good solution for termina lbased calander which is suitable for google calander?
[10:23] <kovacs-andras> maybe gcalcli
[10:24] <kovacs-andras> but you are a pervert
[10:24] <kovacs-andras> i like you
[10:24] <Jonopoly> what the flip
[10:24] <arraybolt3[m]> kovacs-andras: OK, that's enough. We don't allow that language in this channel.
[10:25] <Jonopoly> i also apologise for using the word flip this early in the day
[10:26] <kovacs-andras> there is nothing wrong with the word flip
[10:26] <kovacs-andras> terminal calendar, telnet mapscii.me, all that jazz are a slippery slope
[10:27] <kovacs-andras> it's only a matter of time and you will realise you've left the www and browsing gopher with lynx
[10:29] <kovacs-andras> Do it from cool-retro-term with an old IBM theme and that's it. You're lost.
[10:32] <Psil0[m]> Lynx is amazing
[10:32] <Psil0[m]> Lol what about IBM?
[10:33] <arraybolt3[m]> I'm sorry, this conversation has gotten entirely off-topic for this channel, there was actually a valid support question to begin with, and it's even gone to a level I would consider harassment. This is against the IRC guidelines. Let's be done now.
 "any tips how i could conserve..." <- /me sent you a reply over ubuntu off topic
[10:37] <Psil0[m]> Psil0[m]: Try httrack
[10:37] <Psil0[m]> sudo apt-get install httrack
[10:37] <Psil0[m]> Or
[10:37] <Psil0[m]> wget -r -p https://Google.com
[10:56] <Jonopoly> I only want a termina lbased calander because I use weechat which lets me socalise
[10:56] <Jonopoly> mutt for my emails
[10:57] <Jonopoly> just wanted something for a calander to keep things logged as I use my work laptop to connect to a headless Pi
[10:59] <lotuspsychje> Jonopoly: perhaps for software reccomends, you might wanna start a poll in #ubuntu-discuss
[11:00] <KBar> Jonopoly: use `cal` or `ncal`
[11:00] <Guest25> hello, i have an issue with ubuntu 22.04 install on nvme
[11:00] <Guest25> did someone try to install ubuntu 22.04 on nvme with raid1 and lvm over that md0?
[11:01] <lotuspsychje> !details | Guest25
[11:01] <KBar> !ask | Guest25
[11:02] <Jonopoly> Thanks, I'll headover there
[11:03] <Jonopoly> wow thoat little ncal and cal are cool shame can't have something like that with google calander
[11:25] <Guest25> so... as i say i try to install ubuntu server 22.04 on a server with nvme. The installer crash when i try to select the disks
[11:25] <Guest25> or when i try to make lvm
[11:25] <Guest25> or when i try to make any change on disks
[11:28] <lotuspsychje> Guest25: for ubuntu server, you might wanna ask the experts in #ubuntu-server
[11:29] <jujubinha> Hi
[11:29] <Psil0[m]> Heyhey
[11:30] <KBar> jujubinha: hi and welcome. Do you have questions regarding Ubuntu?
[11:31] <jujubinha> I can't install the touchpad driver of my Lenovo Ideapad 5 on Ubuntu
[11:31] <jujubinha> What can i do?
[11:31] <KBar> jujubinha: what have you tried so far?
[11:32] <KBar> jujubinha: also, version of Ubuntu please?
[11:35] <jujubinha> i tried to fix with this forum: https://github.com/torvalds/linux/pull/663
[11:36] <jujubinha> Ubuntui version: 20.4 LTS
[12:52] <oski146> can someone help me? i need  to know when ryzen 5 5500 u and amd sound device are supported
[12:53] <oski146> firmwares for this hardware is missing
[13:02] <oski146> no one here tohelp
[13:02] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[13:02] <oski146> hi
[13:03] <luna__> hi
[13:13] <oski146> how can i set konversation so that its minimizing into the tadkbar
[13:14] <oski146>  trying to set up the irc
[13:29] <leftyfb> oski146: https://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=152809   first result on google for "konversation minimize to taskbar"
[13:29] <oski146> thanks
[13:30] <oski146> but  theres nothing written
[13:30] <nulldoot> hey
[13:30] <nulldoot> i have a problems about process
[13:30] <nulldoot> my laptop use debian ubuntu 20.04
[13:30] <leftyfb> nulldoot: cat /etc/os-release | nc termbin.com 9999
[13:31] <nulldoot> before 4 day, i saw my laptop process very slow
[13:31] <nulldoot> https://termbin.com/o14g here leftyfb
[13:32] <nulldoot> idk why :(
[13:32] <nulldoot> i try fix mount disk but result same :(
[13:32] <nulldoot> use it very slow
[13:33] <nulldoot> when i start laptop, it load 10p :((
[13:33] <leftyfb> what is 10p?
[13:33] <nulldoot> load computer
[13:33] <nulldoot> when i start begin
[13:34] <nulldoot> screen black 10p after i can use :(
[13:34] <leftyfb> what is 10p?
[13:34] <oski146> 100?
[13:34] <nulldoot> open my computer
[13:34] <nulldoot> after login screen default
[13:35] <nulldoot> i have to wait 10p
[13:35] <leftyfb> nulldoot: what is 10p? What does p stand for?
[13:35] <oski146> 10seconds?
[13:36] <nulldoot> 10p for start computer
[13:36] <nulldoot> after login user
[13:36] <nulldoot> you uderstand ?
[13:36] <leftyfb> 10 minutes?
[13:36] <nulldoot> yes
[13:36] <oski146> What means 10P?
[13:36] <leftyfb> what does the p stand for?
[13:36] <nulldoot> it's veryy slow :(
[13:36] <nulldoot> 10 minutes
[13:37] <leftyfb> p stands for minutes?
[13:37] <nulldoot> now im use ubuntu 20.04
[13:37] <nulldoot> it's very slow
[13:37] <nulldoot> process very slow
[13:37] <leftyfb> nulldoot: was it always slow?
[13:37] <nulldoot> if i not use battry then its slow
[13:38] <nulldoot> yes alway
[13:38] <leftyfb> nulldoot: you mean, if you unplug from power and run on battery it runs fast but if you plug into a wall it runs slow?
[13:38] <nulldoot> exclude charge
[13:39] <oski146> without charging
[13:39] <nulldoot> no leftyfb
[13:40] <nulldoot> If I use charger, my laptop is very smooth and fast, but if I don't use charger, my computer is very slow.
[13:41] <leftyfb> nulldoot: that probably means your laptop goes into a power mode that prioritizes battery life over performance
[13:41] <nulldoot> open the computer after logging in the user it takes me about 5 minutes to go to the main screen, open the application or surf the social network it loads very long and slow
[13:41] <leftyfb> nulldoot: go into the power settings and adjust for your needs
[13:42] <nulldoot> now power button action i choose : suspend
[13:42] <nulldoot> automatic suspend i choose on
[13:42] <leftyfb> power settings
[13:42] <leftyfb> settings -> power
[13:43] <leftyfb> set it to "performance"
[13:44] <nulldoot> https://imgur.com/XmFypkJ
[13:44] <nulldoot> look leftyfb
[13:44] <leftyfb> oh right, they didn't have those in 20.04
[13:46] <leftyfb> nulldoot: try installing "tlp"
[13:48] <leftyfb> though it can get a bit complicated
[13:48] <leftyfb> https://linuxconfig.org/how-to-optimize-laptop-battery-life-with-tlp-on-linux
[13:51] <nulldoot> hmm..
[14:22] <Dan39> well this seems a bit annoying... if i install a "task", like lubuntu-desktop, all of the packages including the dependencies that were brought in are marked as Manual Installed?
[14:22] <Dan39> so now if i start removing some stuff from that i don't want, it leaves behind all of these unnecessary dependencies? :(
[14:34] <Walex> It's a task, not a metapackage.
[14:36] <ravage> tl;dr works as intended
[14:52] <Teckla> Ack, you cannot Remote Desktop from Windows 11 to Ubuntu 22.04 LTS (running X11) unless the Ubuntu system is already unlocked
[14:53] <alkisg> Teckla: using which program? E.g. it works fine for me with vnc...
[14:54] <Teckla> alkisg: Remote Desktop client (on Windows 11) and Remote Desktop server (on Ubuntu 22.04 LTS).  It appears to be a known issue.
[14:54] <Teckla> Yeah, VNC would likely work fine.
[14:54] <alkisg> Hmm, strange, although yeh I last tested xrdp with win 10 and ubuntu 20.04...
[14:55] <Teckla> Not a show stopper or anything, just a minor bummer  :)
[14:55] <alkisg> It shouldn't even depend on xorg running though, so it's rather strange
[14:56] <Teckla> alkisg: Remote Desktop (server) on Ubuntu 22.04 LTS has some show-stopper issues with Wayland.
[14:56] <Teckla> Pretty confident those issues will be ironed out eventually, though.
[14:56] <alkisg> Teckla: wait, are you talking about some gnome component, or about the usual xrdp server?
[14:56] <Teckla> xrdp server
[14:57] <alkisg> If they're making progress with xrdp on wayland that's very good news, even if it doesn't work well yet
[14:58] <Teckla> Yes!  You can RD from Windows to Ubuntu 22.04 and see the desktop, just can't interact with it yet (keyboard and mouse events don't make it through).
[14:58] <Teckla> I think there are security implications to work through, so I'd rather they get it right, rather than shove something through.
[15:34] <iomari891> Greetings, I just "successfully" installed and configured squid transparent proxy. All seems well except I can no longer run apt update without "can't connect" errors.
[15:41] <jhutchins> !ping
[15:41] <jhutchins> Ah, there we are.
[15:42] <jhutchins> iomari891: What _is_ working then?
[15:42] <jhutchins> iomari891: What did you try to do?  How did you try to do it?  What did you expect to happen?  What happened instead?
[15:58] <Dan39> i still don't know why you would want some library package that is only needed as a dependency for something to be installed as Manual, even for a task, but it is what it is i guess.
[16:03] <oerheks> Dan39, lonely dependencies can be removed with apt autoremove
[16:03] <oerheks> no worries
[16:04] <Dan39> oerheks: they aren't "dependencies" anymore when they are marked as Manual installed, so now i just have a giant mess.
[16:04] <Dan39> they don't autoremove
[16:17] <iomari891> jhutchins: Thanks for replying. I foolishly copied settings from some site that were wrong. Now my problem is that I'm not seeing packets going to squid on my nftables counters.
[16:33] <transhumanist> seems noone is ever in #multipass is there anohther support channel for it?
[16:35] <oerheks> they have a lot of docs .. https://discourse.ubuntu.com/c/multipass/doc/24
[16:35] <oerheks> else; askubuntu?
[16:40] <transhumanist> oerheks:  I am following the docs, but it doesnt seem to have the same result when I follow their steps as they get for a result
[16:40] <transhumanist> guess I will change course and use kvm instead
[16:40] <transhumanist> or lxc/lxd directly
[17:52] <clarkk> I'm on Ubuntu 20.04. Since a recent update, a pair of bluetooth headphones that I've been using without issue for 2 years has suddenly started having problems. I can pair it, and use it, but after the first time it won't reconnect. I have to remove the device and pair it again, and then it works. Rinse repeat. I bought the same model of headphones and it has the exactly the same issue. So, to summarise...I pair the
[17:52] <clarkk> headphones, use them without issue, when I switch them off and on again, i see ubuntu bluetooth settings go from disconnected > connected > disconnected, and the headphones say "pairing". I have to remove them in ubuntu settings and pair them again to get them to work. Any suggestion
[17:53] <clarkk> ?
[17:56] <i-garrison> clarkk: did recent update include kernel or linux-firmware changes?
[17:57] <clarkk> i-garrison, no idea. maybe
[17:59] <i-garrison> clarkk: well ok linux bluetooth is still kind of maturing, so are the kernel drivers, and it seldom happens that something breaks; if you can find out whether kernel or firmware package changed you can try rolling that back to see if it fixes the problem and then report an issue to maintainers
[18:00] <clarkk> i-garrison, could you explain how to do either of those?
[18:01] <clarkk> you want me to boot to a previous kernel? I need to get to the grub then, don't I? How do I do that?
[18:01] <i-garrison> clarkk: if your bluetooth is intel AX2x0 device then it is one of those known to break/fix with linux-firmware changes for quite some time now
[18:01] <clarkk> i-garrison, this has never happened before
[18:01] <i-garrison> clarkk: unfortunately I cannot help with exact commands, I expected you know what has changed ))
[18:02] <i-garrison> clarkk: but if you stay here someone probably will be able to help
[18:03] <clarkk> i-garrison, no, I have absolutely no idea what changed, because I didn't change anything
[18:04] <clarkk> How do I see what chipset I have? I used to install sysinfo, but it seems it's been removed from the apt repo
[18:06] <arraybolt3[m]> clarkk: Try running "sudo modprobe -r btusb && sleep 1 && sudo modprobe btusb". That will reset your Bluetooth module, which might help out.
[18:08] <clarkk> arraybolt3[m], unfortunately, I still see the bluetooth device go from "disconnected", I power on the device, the bluetooth device changes to connected, then it goes to disconnected again, as I hear the headphones say "pairing"
[18:09] <arraybolt3[m]> Crud, that's the best trick I know for bluetooth woes. Sorry it didn't work.
[18:10] <clarkk> thanks arraybolt3[m]
[18:22] <i-garrison> clarkk: please share output of lsusb
[18:23] <sarnold> (on a pastebin site, please :)
[18:23] <i-garrison> clarkk: you started with 'since recent update' and to me that indicates that you are at least aware of some update
[18:24] <clarkk> i-garrison, it was just that updates are the only thing on my system that have changed
[18:24] <i-garrison> clarkk: that's fine, let's see your bluetooth device model
[18:24] <i-garrison> clarkk: via pastebin ))
[18:25] <clarkk> i-garrison, sarnold https://paste.debian.net/hidden/9b4f4074/
[18:28] <clarkk> I'm going to reboot and test some things. bbs
[18:38] <sarnold> heh that's a shockingly short output
[18:39] <i-garrison> this is intel 8265 so not the most recent stuff, likely an older laptop with only a few usb devices
[19:30] <jhutchins> There are some regressions with blutooth in recent 20.04 kernels, but I thought those were only in containers.
[19:30] <jhutchins> clarkk: Can you just fall back to the previous kernel?
[19:31] <cbreak> ● modprobe@efi_pstore.service  loaded failed failed Load Kernel Module efi_pstore ... do I have to be worried?
[19:32] <tomreyn> cbreak: do you have any context to this you would like to share?
[19:33] <clarkk> jhutchins, I'm on 5.13.0-52-generic #59~20.04.1-Ubuntu. I tried 5.13.0-51, but it didn't fix it. I don't think I have any previous ones installed, as they are not listed in grub
[19:34] <cbreak> there are three other modprobe services that also failed. I just rebooted because of updates, then saw that in systemctl list-units --state=failed
[19:34] <cbreak> not sure what it means.
[19:34] <arraybolt3[m]> tomreyn: I think clarkk's trying to fix their Bluetooth - a system update knocked it out.
[19:34] <arraybolt3[m]> (Oh wait, cbreak and clarkk are two different people, sorry.)
[19:34] <clarkk> arraybolt3[m], yes, I'm trying to fix my bluetooth. I'm only assuming it was an update, because I didn't change anything else
[19:35] <arraybolt3[m]> Right, I mistook you for cbreak.
[19:35] <tomreyn> :) thanks for helping, though, arraybolt3[m]
[19:35] <arraybolt3[m]> (Or more like I mistook cbreak for you)
[19:35] <tomreyn> cbreak: what's your ubuntu version?
[19:35] <cbreak> I am using 22.04
[19:36] <cbreak> without any outstanding updates as of right now
[19:36] <tomreyn> cbreak: have you run an apt full-upgrade, yet?
[19:36] <cbreak> I did just now, it told me there's nothing to do
[19:37] <cbreak> efi_pstore seems to be some kind of filesystem adapter for efi data
[19:37] <clarkk> If I run dpkg --list | grep linux-image, it shows a lot of kernels installed. How do I see them from grub?
[19:37] <cbreak> the other failed services are modprobe@pstore_blk.service, modprobe@pstore_zone.service and modprobe@ramoops.service
[19:38] <tomreyn> cbreak: have you manually configured one or more of those modules to be loaded during boot?
[19:38] <cbreak> no.
[19:39] <cbreak> I was not aware they even existed until they showed up in the list.
[19:39] <sarnold> clarkk: how about dpkg --list | grep linux-image | grep '^ii' ?
[19:40] <cbreak> https://gist.github.com/cbreak-black/3b4d6611a2a3e04e9b85bf231b3dfc91
[19:45] <tomreyn> cbreak: hmm, i'm wondering what makes your system want to load those kernel modules, since they aren'T by default.
[19:46] <cbreak> my system was originally a 21.04
[19:46] <cbreak> it got upgraded twice, until arriving at 22.04
[19:47] <cbreak> it was originally an ubuntu gnome, now it's using kde
[19:47] <cbreak> I don't think any of that would change kernel modules though
[19:48] <cbreak> I recently switched away from grub to zfsbootmenu... maybe that caused some changes. But that was several weeks ago, and this only happened now. I don't have any new hardware (unless the NSA provided something without my knowledge)
[19:50] <tomreyn> cbreak: hmm, this may be related to zfs, yes. can you     sudo grep -ri ramoops /etc
[19:51] <cbreak> no result :(
[19:52] <sarnold> systemd instanciated units, or whatever they're called, might just have a symlink somewhere on disk
[19:52] <sarnold> so the ramoops or pstore strings might be in symlink names, not necessarily in files
[19:52] <cbreak> indeed. Likely one that points to /lib/systemd/system/modprobe@.service
[19:52] <sarnold> try also sudo find /etc -name '*ramoops*' or something
[19:53] <sarnold> exactly that, you're ahead of me then :)
[19:54] <tomreyn> it could also be in /usr/lib/systemd/system/
[19:54] <sarnold> heh yeah my first version of that command had /lib and /usr/lib in there, too, but I figured that ran a huge risk of false positives..
[19:55] <cbreak> I know the path I pasted is involved, because it's in the output of systemctl status modprobe@efi_pstore.service
[19:55] <cbreak> but I've not found a symlink to it
[19:55] <cbreak> not in /usr, nor in /etc, nor /var.
[19:56] <cbreak> interestingly, both efi_pstore and ramoops are listed in lsmod
[19:56] <cbreak> so ... the modules are loaded
[19:56] <tomreyn> does this return the paths?   systemctl list-units --state=failed --full
[19:57] <cbreak> no references to them though, if I interpret the output correctly
[19:57] <jhutchins> cbreak: Is there anything that doesn't seem to be working as a result of these errors?  A lot of systemd atempts to load services that don't exist, and fails as a way to complete without enabling something that isn't there.
[19:57] <cbreak> tomreyn: no :(
[19:57] <cbreak> jhutchins: nothing I've noticed
[19:58] <jhutchins> modemctl is an example.  It fails because nobody has a modem these days, but it doesn't affect anything.
[19:58] <cbreak> I'm not sure if these errors are a problem.
[19:58] <jhutchins> cbreak: If it really annoys youj. just disable it so it won't throw errors and otherwise roll merrily along.
[19:59] <cbreak> first I'll see if the problem persists over the next few reboots
[20:00] <jhutchins> Doing the same thing the same way and expecting a different outcome is called "magical thinking".
[20:01] <cbreak> I'm not expecting anything :)
[20:01] <tomreyn> systemctl list-unit-files     may hint on whether these are generated units, or manually created ones
[20:02] <cbreak> tomreyn: yes. Only one file is listed: modprobe@.service
[20:02] <cbreak> I don't think it lists the symlinks
[20:03] <tomreyn> yes, it wouldn't. so you just need to find those symlinks ;)
[20:08] <cbreak> systemctl show modprobe@efi_pstore.service gives me lots of stuff, among it WantedBy=systemd-pstore.service
[20:08] <cbreak> that one exists, it's in /lib/systemd/system/systemd-pstore.service
[20:08] <sarnold> \o/
[20:08] <cbreak> it contains: Wants=modprobe@efi_pstore.service modprobe@mtdpstore.service modprobe@chromeos_pstore.service modprobe@ramoops.service modprobe@pstore_zone.service modprobe@pstore_blk.service
[20:08] <cbreak> I thikn that's the reason the thing is attempted to be started
[20:10] <cbreak> seems to be some form of kernel panic crash dump saver
[20:11] <cbreak> doesn't seem critical either way.
[20:11] <tomreyn> you'd only need it if you wanted to analyze kernel crashes.
[20:12] <tomreyn> or ensure they are captured
[20:13] <cbreak> indeed.
[20:13] <clarkk> sarnold, here's the result, but I still don't know how to load one  https://paste.debian.net/hidden/ff13f7b7/
[20:13] <cbreak> for now, I'm not interested in kernel development.
[20:13] <cbreak> let's see if they ever add c++ support :)
[20:14] <clarkk> sarnold, I pressed shift while booting, but only saw 4 options from grub
[20:15] <sarnold> clarkk: all those 'rc' kernels are 'removed' and their 'configuration' files are still on disk
[20:15] <sarnold> clarkk: so you've only got three images in 'installed' state
[20:16] <sarnold> clarkk: I like to clean up those messes; apt purge linux-image-5.11.0-25-generic  will get rid of its config files and remove it from the list entirely
[20:17] <clarkk> sarnold, when I did that, it resulted in, "rmdir: failed to remove '/lib/modules/5.11.0-25-generic': Directory not empty"
[20:18] <sarnold> clarkk: that's probably not important, feel free to ignore those at the moment
[20:19] <clarkk> sarnold, I still have 30 rc packages. How do I remove then all at once?
[20:20] <tomreyn> "apt purge" accepts wildcards and regular expressions on package names
[20:21] <sarnold> be very careful with this knowledge :)
[20:22] <sarnold> I've written gross dpkg -l | awk '/^rc/ {print $2;}' kinds of things before -- checking the output by hand before using it in a command is A Good Idea :)
[20:22] <tomreyn> apt will prompt. but yes, i agree.
[20:44]  * alkisg uses sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade -y && sudo apt-get purge --auto-remove $(dpkg -l | awk '/^rc/ { print $2 }')
[20:59] <clarkk> Can `apt-get dist-upgrade` be trusted? Does it ever cause problems?
[21:02] <alkisg> All software can cause problems at some time, but apt-get dist-upgrade is the normal way to update your system (along with the newer apt full-upgrade)
[21:02] <alkisg> So sure it can be trusted
[21:07] <tomreyn> clarkk: what can cause problems are badly maintained software packages. Many PPAs would introduce those, as well as repositories not compatible to your ubuntu release. there could also be malicious software sources. keep in mind that adding an apt repository effectively means granting root permissions to your system to whoever manages this repository.
[21:12] <sarnold> clarkk: be sure to skim package removals first -- it used to be common for folks who had installed guitar hero or something like that to uninstall sudo and only the package maintainer script save their bacon
[21:12] <sarnold> clarkk: of course, people who got themselves into that situation are not able to get themselves back *out* of that situation without help.. but it was something
[21:14] <Supervisor> hello
[21:15] <clarkk> ok, thanks sarnold
 "Can `apt-get dist-upgrade` be..." <- It could. You are updating the kernel
[21:21] <oerheks> https://ubuntu.com/blog/improving-firefox-snap-performance-part-3
[21:22] <Psil0[m]> Sarnold basically stated what i wanted to say.
[21:24] <arraybolt3[m]> oerheks: oerheks: #ubuntu-discuss?
[21:24] <clarkk> rebooting. bbs
[21:36] <goddard> i got a notification saying snap needs to update in 13 days and i need to do something to avoid disruption?
[21:36] <goddard> what does that mean?
[21:37] <Supervisor> hmm
[21:37] <Supervisor> idk
[21:37] <goddard> i clicked the notification and nothing happened
[21:37] <arraybolt3[m]> It means Firefox needs updated, and your system wants you to close it so it can auto-update. Problem is, it doesn't seem to auto-update very fast, so I usually force it when it happens.
[21:37] <Supervisor> i suggest updating
[21:37] <arraybolt3[m]> To force Firefox to update, close it, open a terminal, and run "sudo snap refresh".
[21:37] <arraybolt3[m]> Enter your password, and it will update Firefox (and any other outdated snaps) for you.
[21:40] <oerheks> goddard, what snap exactly?
[21:41] <clarkk> back. I tried to uninstall pulseaudio, to later reinstall it fresh, but it wanted to uninstall "ubuntu-desktop". What is ununtu-desktop?
[21:41] <Supervisor> idk
[21:41] <oerheks> seems like pulseaudio is a hard dependecie of ubuntu desktop.
[21:41] <oerheks> why do you want to remove it?
[21:42] <Supervisor> but im not sure you should install if that shows up
[21:43] <oerheks> just remove the ~/.config/pulse/ folder and restart pa
[21:43] <clarkk> oerheks, ok, thanks.
[21:47] <i-garrison> clarkk: you do not have to uninstall pulseaudio if you did not edited anything in /etc/pulse
[21:48] <sarnold> clarkk: ubuntu-desktop is the metapackage that pulls in all the packages that make up "an ubuntu desktop system". it's used to make sure you're kept in sync with the distro's opinions from release to release
[21:49] <clarkk> OK, thank guys. I'm rebooting again
[21:53] <jhutchins> I have an old system thats running Debian Lenny.  Would 22.04 be a good thing to install for the sake of showing that it works when disposing of it?
[21:53] <sarnold> depends upon just how old this thing is; is it 32-bit or 64-bit?
[21:55] <clarkk> no bueno :(
[22:10] <aberrant> hi all. I am trying to get netplan to assign a static address to my usb0 interface on boot, but it doesn't seem to be working.
[22:11] <clarkk> I deleted ~/.config/pulse and rebooted. I reinstalled pulseaudio-module_bluetooth. Rebooted. Neither worked
[22:11] <Supervisor> does ubuntu have 32 bit support
[22:11] <arraybolt3[m]> Supervisor: Sadly, not any longer.
[22:11] <Supervisor> awwwwww
[22:12] <sarnold> Supervisor: for armhf platform ..
[22:12] <arraybolt3[m]> Supervisor: The only supported version of Ubuntu to still support 32-bit systems is 18.04, which goes out of support within a year.
[22:12] <Supervisor> but i can use live usb and it still works but not to install
[22:12] <aberrant> https://pastebin.com/GECiaWFA is my netplan config file
[22:12] <arraybolt3[m]> Supervisor: If you need to run Linux on a 32-bit system, and you like Ubuntu, try Debian, it's what Ubuntu is based off of.
[22:13] <arraybolt3[m]> Supervisor: Are you using an 18.04 USB stick to try to install Ubuntu? If so, that should still work.
[22:13] <arraybolt3[m]> (Ubuntu 18.04 is still supported, so if you really want to use it, we're glad to help you here.)
[22:14] <enigma9o7[m]> Ubuntu 18.04 (gnome) didn't actually come in 32-bit tho; only flavors like lubuntu, xubuntu, mate, etc did.   Although you could upgrade to it or switch to it.
[22:15] <clarkk> going to try deleting ~root/.config/pulse too. Rebooting. bbs
[22:15] <Supervisor> oh
[22:15] <aberrant> usb0 is showing up using ifconfig, but it doesn't have the assigned address.
[22:15] <Supervisor> does backdoor linux still work
[22:15] <enigma9o7[m]> But as arraybolt3 said, if you'r einstalling on a 32-bit system today, makes more sense to use debian (or another derivitive like mx).
[22:17] <oerheks> Supervisor, you tell us? but not in this official ubuntu support channel, please
[22:21] <aberrant> ok, let's try a different question: how do I configure a static IP address for interface usb0?
[22:22] <sarnold> aberrant: does networkctl status  report anything useful?
[22:23] <aberrant> Jul 08 22:18:35 orange systemd-networkd[706]: usb0: Link UP
[22:23] <aberrant> is the only relevant line
[22:23] <jhutchins> sarnold: It's a single-core 64b
[22:24] <sarnold> aberrant: heh :( that's not much to go on
[22:24] <sarnold> jhutchins: wow :) yeah probably an ubuntu on it would work to show that it boots etc, but maybe use a server image rather than desktop..
[22:24] <aberrant> ok, one sec. I made a change and am rebooting again
[22:25] <arraybolt3[m]> jhutchins: I'd throw Lubuntu at it and see what happens. (Disclaimer: I'm a Lubuntu contributor.)
[22:25] <jhutchins> sarnold: Hmm, yeah, I forgot they pretend server is different from desktop.
[22:25] <aberrant> sarnold: https://pastebin.com/PvMk3cUF
[22:26] <jhutchins> I just don't want to spend a lot of time babysitting the installer or tweaking it afterward.
[22:27] <sarnold> aberrant: if you swap the usb0 and eth0 wires, does the 'gained carrier' line move around too?
[22:27] <aberrant> sarnold: Jul 08 22:23:57 orange dnsmasq[889]: warning: interface usb0 does not currently exist
[22:28] <aberrant> what wires?
[22:28] <sarnold> ah is this a wireless nic?
[22:28] <aberrant> usb0 is a usb-c interface in peripheral mode
[22:29] <sarnold> there's some bits on how to specify which essid and key and so on to use on https://netplan.io/examples/#connecting-to-an-open-wireless-network
[22:29] <tomreyn> aberrant: so it's not actually a network device?
[22:29] <aberrant> it is a network device
[22:30] <tomreyn> ethernet, wireless, something else?
[22:30] <aberrant> usb in peripheral mode looks like an ethernet interface.
[22:32] <tomreyn> so were you ever able to configure it before?
[22:33] <aberrant> ok, it's working now.
[22:33] <tomreyn> btw. use iproute2, not net-tools
[22:33] <aberrant> apparently the usb0 interface will only configure if eth0 isn't configured.
[22:34] <tomreyn> you set it to "optional"
[22:36] <aberrant> well, I tried changing that and network setup timed out
[22:36] <aberrant> but.. anyway. Thanks. Got it working - now I can ssh from my ipad to my raspberry pi over the usb-c interface :)
[22:37] <sarnold> aha this is a very different kind of device than I expected :) heh
[22:37] <aberrant> means I can dev on the plane without having to pay for wifi :)
[22:38] <sarnold> ooo cool :D
[22:39] <aberrant> ipad pro + blink + raspberry pi :)
[22:39] <arraybolt3[m]> Gotta love how Linux can let you do things for free. Right now I'm dodging having to pay for an expensive laptop by remoting into my desktop from my Chromebook.
[22:39] <aberrant> yup
[22:41] <Supervisor> i wish my ipad 2nd gen still worked
[22:41] <mybalzitch> I was trying to use a usb to serial adapter, that the manufacturer has decided isn't gonna work anymore under windows, or its some new w11 bug. either way I plugged the cable into my laptop running linux and it worked instantly
[22:49] <gneeriiloeepdeer> I have tried both ffmpeg and mkvmerge from the CLI to try and trim a mp4 file. I currently need to trim the last 1.25 seconds, but oddly, mkvmerge trims either nothing or if I change the command, 12 whole seconds. If I use ffmpeg with the right timestamps, the first 9 seconds of the fila simply disappear and the file is half the size. What can I use to cut a mp4 file exactly 1.25 seconds before it ends, without changing any other
[22:49] <gneeriiloeepdeer> parameter?
[22:54] <sarnold> gneeriiloeepdeer: I'm not very familiar with all the codec families, but this does something similar -- https://outflux.net/unix/software/GOPchop/
[22:55] <oerheks> such heavy codec edit.. and it all depends how secure the original was created.
[22:55] <enigma9o7[m]> gneeer, if I were doing such a thing, I'd use handbrake.
[22:56] <enigma9o7[m]> change the range drop down to "seconds" then set it exactly
[22:57] <enigma9o7[m]> or if for some reason that isnt exact enough, set it to "frames" and do the math to figure out the exact number of frames
[23:08] <gneeriiloeepdeer> enigma9o7[m], in what tab do I change the range?
[23:28] <ffs> Is there any scenario in which two processes spawned independently can suddenly share memory? Or is that only possible for processes with ancestors that also use those pages?
[23:29] <oerheks> yes, bad ram.
[23:30] <ffs> Fine :). Any scenarios that happen under reasonably typical circumstances?
[23:30] <arraybolt3[m]> ffs: Two independent processes might share code (shared libraries), but data? That should never, EVER happen AFAIK.
[23:30] <arraybolt3[m]> That would be a huge security risk, and the Linux kernel goes way out of its way to avoid that.
[23:31] <arraybolt3[m]> It might be possible for two programs to communicate with each other over pipes, sockets, the network, STDIO, etc., but they shouldn't be able to "poke around inside each other's heads".
[23:31] <ffs> If they were to both load the same library (and not as a daemon process they communicate through), could they share that loaded library or is it loaded 2x?
[23:32] <arraybolt3[m]> ffs: I believe they share the loaded library.
[23:34] <arraybolt3[m]> ffs: This might help answer your questions: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/11566780/process-vs-thread-can-two-processes-share-the-same-shared-memory-can-two-thr
[23:36] <oerheks> can *suddenly* share memory?
[23:36] <oerheks> no
[23:36] <ffs> I see. So common libraries can be used from the same shared memory segment.
[23:40] <schurich> hello guys
[23:41] <ffs> Hi
[23:41] <schurich> anyone free to help me put a bit
[23:41] <arraybolt3[m]> There's almost always someone here. What can we help you with?
[23:42] <schurich> btw its my first time using hexchat or linux so i am sorry in case i have noobish questions
[23:42] <oerheks> sorry accepted.
[23:42] <schurich> as well i am not into programing so some things like terminal guides and instalations are quite tricky for me
[23:42] <arraybolt3[m]> We all start somewhere.
[23:42] <schurich> thank you a lot
[23:43] <arraybolt3[m]> schurich: You should see some of the things I've asked for help with...
[23:43] <arraybolt3[m]> OK, what's happenin'?
[23:43] <schurich> oke so i am strugling with moving top bar (taskbar) to bottom, i use gnome 42.2
[23:43] <sarnold> ffs: two processes could mmap the same file or use sysv or posix shared memory segments
[23:43] <arraybolt3[m]> OK, one moment...
[23:43] <schurich> thx
[23:43] <schurich> as well superbutton and click then move guide doesnt belp
[23:44] <schurich> since after superclick hold and clicking on tab does nothing
[23:44] <arraybolt3[m]> schurich: Have you looked into the Dash to Panel extension?
[23:45] <schurich> when u write in green is it private or just letting me know that u reply to me?
[23:45] <schurich> i am not sure anymore , can u guide me to that pannel
[23:45] <arraybolt3[m]> Just lets you know that I'm replying to you. Handy for when you've got 3 or 4 people all at once.
[23:45] <arraybolt3[m]> schurich: https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/1160/dash-to-panel/
[23:45] <schurich> yeap i know how crouded chats may look like
[23:46] <schurich> i dont think i have that button for pannel
[23:47] <arraybolt3[m]> schurich: OK, this is usually easy, but I'm realizing there's a possible hiccup depending on what version of Ubuntu you're using. Are you on 22.04? 20.04?
[23:47] <schurich> To control GNOME Shell extensions using this site you must install GNOME Shell integration that consists of two parts: browser extension and native host messaging application.
[23:48] <schurich> does this mean to be able to see that pannel i need instal something?
[23:48] <schurich> btw let me check ut i think i use leatest one
[23:48] <arraybolt3[m]> schurich: It means to install it easily, you need a special browser extension that lets you it.
[23:48] <schurich> since ias i remember it was dl from ubunt site
[23:49] <schurich> should i do that
[23:49] <arraybolt3[m]> However, I do need to know your version of Ubuntu, since there's a different procedure for installing extensions on Ubuntu 22.04 than there is on 20.04.
[23:49] <schurich> kk give me min
[23:50] <schurich> 22.04 lts
[23:50] <arraybolt3[m]> OK. In the website, select your version of GNOME Shell and the latest version of the extension, that will download it.
[23:51] <arraybolt3[m]> (We aren't going to use the browser extension because Ubuntu 22.04 has a change in how the web browser works that breaks the browser extension, but manual installation should still work.)
[23:51] <schurich> when i go to the Download it offers me 42 and then 46 47 48 49 50
[23:51] <arraybolt3[m]> schurich: Use 50 in the second box, that should give you the most recent version.
[23:52] <enigma9o7[m]> gneeriiloeepdeer: The main screen you start out on... where you select source.... did you figurew it out?
[23:52] <oerheks> https://linuxhint.com/install-gnome-shell-extensions-ubuntu-22-04/
[23:52]  * enigma9o7[m] uploaded an image: (87KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/VZPZEfCpkUIjvQFoyyBfczBE/shot-2022-07-08_16-51-47.jpg >
[23:52] <schurich> it dl zip file and once i opened it there is no exe file
[23:53] <oerheks> sudo apt install gnome-shell-extensions gnome-shell-extension-manager
[23:53] <arraybolt3[m]> schurich: Oh wait, use oerheks's link, it looks way easier.
[23:53] <enigma9o7[m]> That may not be the jammy version as I'm on 18.04 with a ppa, but I imagine jammy is similar....
[23:53] <schurich> btw i would like to keep my laptop quite clean so give me sec i will try delete this file
[23:54] <arraybolt3[m]> schurich: (Linux doesn't use .exe files. Executable files generally have no file name extension at all in Linux, and LInux recognizes them based off of an Executable flag and the internal file format. So you probably won't encounter .exe files in Linux.)
[23:54] <gneeriiloeepdeer> enigma9o7[m], not precise enough: where do I write what timestamps I want? summary? dimensions? video? audio?....
[23:55] <oerheks> and maybe for firefox https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/gnome-shell-integration/
[23:55] <enigma9o7[m]> You can do all of that.  Timestamps are in the screenshot I shown, either in seconds, or switch to frames as mentioned earlier.
[23:55] <schurich> arraybolt3[m]: testing reply option
[23:55] <schurich> hmm
[23:55] <enigma9o7[m]> Just click around you can find all that, or check the docs, its not complicated.
[23:55] <ravage> oerheks, that is still a little difficult with the snap version
[23:55] <schurich> how to make reply thing
[23:56] <oerheks> oh dear
[23:56] <enigma9o7[m]> I thought you d idnt want to change any of that anyway
[23:56] <arraybolt3[m]> schurich: It highlights it for me.
[23:56] <schurich> arraybolt3[m]: ah oke , is there easyer option then copy past
[23:56] <arraybolt3[m]> oerheks: The link you posted first had good instructions, it looked like.
[23:56] <arraybolt3[m]> schurich: You just type the name, like so: arraybolt3[m]: <put your text here>
[23:56] <oerheks> there was an ubuntu wiki page too, outdated
[23:57] <enigma9o7[m]> Anyways you have your solution, try to use it yourself, if you actually can't figure it out after actually trying and seraching for issues / reading docs, then come back and maybe I'll try to replicate your problem.
[23:57] <enigma9o7[m]> but right now you're not describing a problem, just blahblahblah
[23:57] <arraybolt3[m]> schurich: And this is why we use those fancy tags!
[23:57] <sarnold> schurich: most irc clients will complete a nickname if you type a few characters and hit 'tab'. I typed sch<tab> and got schurich   :)
[23:58] <sarnold> arraybolt3[m]: https://www.mono-project.com/docs/getting-started/mono-basics/
[23:58] <enigma9o7[m]> wow, that sounds like everything else in the world
[23:58] <enigma9o7[m]> type a few letters and hit tab.  hmmmm.  what a crazy idea.
[23:59] <arraybolt3[m]> sarnold: Well, yes, I know, you'll run into .exe files if you do that, but I'd guess most people don't try to run .NET applications on their Linux boxes. (Fun fact - I'm a C# programmer and use Mono quite a bit.)
[23:59] <enigma9o7[m]> ewww thats from kissing peopl ewith germs right?
[23:59] <sarnold> arraybolt3[m]: lol :D
[23:59] <gneeriiloeepdeer> enigma9o7[m], results are no different than with mkvmer
[23:59] <gneeriiloeepdeer> enigma9o7[m], results are no different than with mkvmerge*