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[07:24] <ziron> hi
 Hello
 I have a question for my uncle because he dont speak english.
 He is using a tax software and i wanted to know, if its possible to use it with wineversions like wine-ge-7-20
 Or are these specifically versions just for games
[10:06] <arraybolt3[m]> @Oskar: I'm not familiar with that type of Wine you mentioned. I'm familiar with installing Wine directly, and I'm familiar with using PlayOnLinux.
 Playonlinux is possible?
[10:07] <arraybolt3[m]> Either one should work if the tax software is compatible with Wine. However, not all Windows software will work with Wine, so the only way to really find out for sure if it works is to try it.
[10:07] <arraybolt3[m]> @Oskar: PlayOnLinux just lets you manage a bunch of different versions of Wine all on the same system, so yeah, that should work.
[10:07] <arraybolt3[m]> (You do have to have Wine installed normally for it to work, I believe.)
[10:07] <arraybolt3[m]> @Oskar: I wrote a very detailed guide on setting up Wine on Lubuntu, however the steps should work easily enough on Kubuntu as well.
[10:08] <arraybolt3[m]> I'll find it real quick...
 Ok so i say to him he should use playonlinux and if its possible, he could install the wine ge version and try it with this, because he said its not working with normal wine from repositories
 Thanks (re @IrcsomeBot: <arraybolt3[m]> I'll find it real quick...)
[10:09] <arraybolt3[m]> @Oskar: What's the exact name of the tax software? I know where there's a database that I can check to find out if the software is known to work, and if so, what version of Wine it works best with.
[10:09] <arraybolt3[m]> @Oskar: Here's the guide I wrote: https://discourse.lubuntu.me/t/running-windows-applications-on-lubuntu/3368
 I ask him, i get to you back later😊i will try the guide for him to test on my machine, because he uses outdated wine
 Can you give me the name if the database so i can send to him (re @IrcsomeBot: <arraybolt3[m]> @Oskar: What's the exact name of the tax software? I know where there's a database that I can check to find out if the software is known to work, and if so, what version of Wine it works best with.)
[10:27] <arraybolt3[m]> @Oskar: Yeah, hold on one moment.
 Because he will ask me later how its possible with wine
[10:29] <arraybolt3[m]> @Oskar: https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&sTitle=Browse%20Applications&sOrderBy=appName&bAscending=true
[10:29] <arraybolt3[m]> Plug the app name into the "Name" box at the bottom of the stack of text boxes, hit Enter, and that will search the database.
[10:44] <Guest81> Hey, is there any way to force update to 22.04 from 22.04 without waiting for the point release? I bought a dual sense controller and need the newer kernel
[10:44] <Guest81> *from 20.04
[10:45] <arraybolt3[m]> Guest81: Yes. First, make sure you have all of your files backed up on some external drive of some sort. Upgrades have a tendency to go wonky.
[10:45] <arraybolt3[m]> Guest81: Once that's done, you can do "do-release-upgrade -d" to force the upgrade. The -d switch usually upgrades you to a development release, but on Ubuntu 20.04, it will allow you to upgrade to 22.04 early.
[10:47] <Guest81> Sweet, that worked thank you!
[10:47] <arraybolt3[m]> 👍️
[10:48] <tannera> On my production install I did that exact thing, it works great, but don't tell people still haha
[10:49] <Guest81> Yeah I usually try to do a clean install, but there's nothing too important on this machine so it's all good
[10:49] <arraybolt3[m]> tannera: LOL I'm not brave enough to use a release-upgrade ever (goes wrong too often, I'm a clean-install-only kind of guy), but for some reason I am brave enough to use the latest development release (Kinetic, still not even released yet) as a daily driver for helping develop Lubuntu. Cognitive dissonance on my part?
[10:50] <arraybolt3[m]> (I also use 22.04 on my hardware.)
[10:50] <arraybolt3[m]> (Didn't wanna wait for the point release, plus I had used 21.10 before and needed to upgrade pronto)
[10:51] <tannera> I finally switched to kubuntu about 6 months ago for work and gaming. became a maintainer on winedb for a couple windows only apps I use for work so became willing to lose it all to troubleshoot haha
[10:51] <tannera> i also use veeam for image based backups
[10:51] <arraybolt3[m]> That sounds cool. I still do it old school - nothing beats a good dd or a copypaste. Gives you total control over how you do things. Also lets you mess things up to kingdom come.
[10:51] <tannera> I am passionate about open source, kubuntu runs so much better on my machine then windows did
[10:52] <tannera> I've developed work integrations I did for free to contribute to the MSP industry as a whole. We don't need Kaseya and ConnectWise if we just work at it
[10:53] <arraybolt3[m]> Wow, that's awesome. I'm also an open-source warrior, I'm actually helping on a Lubuntu development sprint at the moment.
[10:53] <tannera> I have python and C# released under AGPL v3 (when cw is scum) and unlicense (when they arent)
[10:53] <tannera> Lubuntu is awesome but I'll be honest I like XFCE more haha
[10:53] <tannera> I ran lubuntu a few years ago on a g5 powerpc mac mini
[10:53] <arraybolt3[m]> LOL I have a lot of low-power machines, so while I prefer the aesthetics of Kubuntu more, Lubuntu fits my use case better.
[10:54] <arraybolt3[m]> (And for the machines that can hack it, I hope to do music and video stuff, so I use Ubuntu Studio on those.)
[10:54] <arraybolt3[m]> (Think Kubuntu, but armed to the teeth with the open-source versions of all things Adobe Creative Cloud.)
[10:54] <tannera> it was 100% maxed all the time before I had a web server running on it. I love kde, was always a gnome fan but kde has all the extensions I need and more, and uses less resources then windows. If anyone wants to leave windows I recommend kubuntu. My friend in the US army is about to go to kubuntu
[10:55] <arraybolt3[m]> Woot!
[10:55] <tannera> I tried to get my sister to go to ubuntu studio but she hasn't. Does art on the side through krita
[10:55] <tannera> I got her to use krita a few years ago and she's an evangelist now
[10:56] <arraybolt3[m]> Couldn't get a coworker to switch to Kubuntu, I tried hard. But my mom picked up on Ubuntu Studio in a heartbeat.
[10:56] <arraybolt3[m]> Kinda feels nice to be able to use your computer more than you fight with it.
[10:57] <tannera> her friends tell her to buy ipads, she has expressed how happy she is that she got a surface instead of ipad because krita doesn't run on ipad. Right my dad has trouble with texting from an iphone, uses the laptop I gave him with regular ubuntu like it's an extension of himself
[11:00] <arraybolt3[m]> I still remember my first tangle with Linux. Plugged a way overloaded distro (KXStudio 14.04) into a way underpowered VM on a computer that was sluggish even with plain Windows 7. Despite the horrible slowness, I got absorbed into Linux from there. Couldn't get myself to stick with Windows main and Linux VM, I had to go full-force in. Now I'm in and happy about it. I've got like, one good working computer left in the house that runs
[11:00] <arraybolt3[m]> Windows, and it's not mine. :-)
[11:03] <tannera> Hahahaha my first encounter was with something like ubuntu 12, my grandpa gave it to us. I managed to boot it in single user mode to get us connected to the internet because he was unwilling
[11:03] <tannera> I've got opnsense as my router, windows machines get their own  vlan with extra ips
[11:04] <arraybolt3[m]> Wow, that's neat. (We are getting off-topic for the channel, and I don't want to send the wrong message about the channel's topic to other people who are here, so we should probably stop before an operator tells us to.)
[11:06] <tannera> Affirm. I love my kubuntu wobbly windows, does anyone else get artifacting and graphical corruption when they maximize a window though?
[11:06] <tannera> AMD gpu here, using the default drivers, I think steam installed the mesa runtime for me
[11:06] <tannera> seems to happen more with thunderbird then anything else
[11:06] <arraybolt3[m]> Hmm, I've not noticed that particular problem (though I have noticed other problems that I attributed to my less-than-ideal hardware setup). I'm on nVidia.
[11:07] <arraybolt3[m]> Silly question, but did you plug your GPU into a x16 slot, where it belongs, or did you put it in a x4 slot that looks like a x16 slot like I did?
[11:07] <tannera> x16 for sure, not that silly haha
[11:08] <tannera> top slot on asus x470-pro. Did a bios update a couple weeks ago, was years behind. No changes
[11:09] <arraybolt3[m]> My setup is weird and I had to plug my card into a x4 slot, and I get some weird corruption in OBS Studio with high frame rates, but that's the worst of it. So I'm not sure what's gone wrong. You could try booting into a Kubuntu live USB and see if the problem persists there. If not, it might be the fault of something you installed (like Steam maybe?).
[11:10] <tannera> Good call, I'll give a live usb a go and try on an nvidia gpu system to see if the issues persists. I do have protontricks and wine staging installed so those could have done some damage
[11:10] <tannera> I wish I didn't have to enable i386 for all that
[11:11] <arraybolt3[m]> (I should have said the corruption I get in OBS Studio is particularly bad with high FPS, it's still present but much less with 30 FPS captures.)
[11:12] <arraybolt3[m]> (Again, probably should plug it into my x16 slot but can't for reasons.)
 Thanks (re @IrcsomeBot: <arraybolt3[m]> Plug the app name into the "Name" box at the bottom of the stack of text boxes, hit Enter, and that will search the database.)
 Wine-hq staging not found but ive done all like the guide said
 How to install from winehq
[11:26] <arraybolt3[m]> @Oskar: It's "winehq-staging" I believe. You probably typed it wrong.
 There is nor package named winehq-staging, nor package called winehq-stable or
 The other one
 The setup is outdated on winehq webpage i think
 I copy pasted from wine hq website
[11:33] <arraybolt3[m]> @Oskar: That's really weird. It worked for me when I wrote it, and I tested it.
 Ok and how to install now?
 I dont want the wine from repositories
[11:35] <arraybolt3[m]> I don't know. If it's not working the way it should, either Wine's messed up, or you're missing a step. I'll take a closer look at it later (I've been up for hours doing development work). In the mean time, double-check that you didn't skip over anything.
 Ok i check
 https://www.linuxcapable.com/de/how-to-install-winehq-on-ubuntu-22-04-lts/ i tried this and it worked for me
 Hello my fan sometimes goes crazy, when the computer boots up, it goes to full revolutions. I have to turn off the computer by pressing a button. Does anyone have any idea how to solve this?
[13:41] <tomreyn> SA: try a bios update, it's most likely not due to kubuntu.
[13:42] <tomreyn> journalctl -b | grep DMI:     would tell you what you have now.
[16:28] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[16:29] <kubuntu> hi
[16:54] <magic_ninja> I'm having major issues with glitching in the application bar, and I'm also having windows that will randomly quit panting. The programs are still running in the background, they just quit updating. People have suggested that it's a cable issue, but I've got three different monitors and it will happen on all three.
[16:55] <magic_ninja> I recorded some video of it happening, but it happens across all applications, firefox is the worst offender.
[16:55] <magic_ninja> Games also do it. They keep running, the graphics just freeze and quit painting. If I look at the window via OBS, I can see everything fine and it updates, fine, but it quits painting.
[16:56] <magic_ninja> I'm on amdgpu and have three monitors, all three on display port.
[16:59] <magic_ninja> https://youtu.be/u8JclV0u4ek
[16:59] <magic_ninja> I also have video of firefox freezing, but I don't want to post it in public
[16:59] <magic_ninja> I can share it privately though
[17:51] <tomreyn> magic_ninja: your kubuntu version is? which graphics driver are you using? which graphics card? did this happen since you installed kubuntu, or previously, or later? did you make changes at the time this started happening?
[18:09] <magic_ninja> tomreyn, I've been on kubuntu for several years. I'm on 22.04. I'm using the open source amdgpu. A 6700XT card. The 6700XT card went into my system new, and it's been an issue since I've switched to AMD.
[18:10] <magic_ninja> Unfortunately I don't have another card or system o try with.
[18:12] <tomreyn> magic_ninja: give those drivers a try: https://launchpad.net/~oibaf/+archive/ubuntu/graphics-drivers?field.series_filter=jammy
[18:12] <tomreyn> if it makes things worse, you can undo it using   sudo ppa-purge ppa:oibaf/graphics-drivers
[18:13] <magic_ninja> Do you get paid or just do this as a hobby, you are always on here helping
[18:13] <tomreyn> a hobby.
[18:13] <magic_ninja> right on man. like I see you on here every time helping people out
[18:13] <magic_ninja> You outta get broken off for it
[18:14] <tomreyn> someone else had issues with a 6600 XT yesterday, also running kubuntu 22.04 - https://launchpad.net/bugs/1981139 - and those drivers helped
[18:14] <magic_ninja> Right on, so then next release I can probably just remove the ppa
[18:15] <tomreyn> right. or earlier, if it doesn't help.
[18:15] <magic_ninja> I did have an nvidia card in this system for a while and didn't have issues, but went with amd. I want to support them for what they do for the community.
[18:15] <magic_ninja> Hard to tell if it's the card or the drivers
[18:16] <magic_ninja> I got an error here, hold on
[18:16] <magic_ninja> https://paste.debian.net/1246772/
[18:18] <magic_ninja> line 75
[18:18] <tomreyn> you're running a custom kernel
[18:19] <magic_ninja> Yea, I was using it for pci-passthrough. I can get rid of it though. The problem persisted for both.
[18:19] <magic_ninja> I'll go ahead and remove the xanmod kernel, rerun the update, then see what it does. PCI passthrough wasn't working properly anyway.
[18:21] <tomreyn> you seem to have or have had another PPA configured form where you have or had graphics drivers installed. which PPAs are active?
[18:22] <magic_ninja> https://i.imgur.com/zN56HSh.png
[18:22] <magic_ninja> Might be backports
[18:23] <tomreyn> https://launchpad.net/~ernstp/+archive/ubuntu/mesarc?field.series_filter=jammy
[18:23] <tomreyn> this is where some of the previously updated drivers came from
[18:23] <tomreyn> you should point such modifications out when seeking support
[18:24] <tomreyn> that's both the kernel and the other unstable graphics drivers
[18:24] <magic_ninja> My bad man, I don't ever remember installing it. I don't know if a script did that or what.
[18:24] <magic_ninja> Well the kernel I do, but not the mesa almost stable repo
[18:25] <magic_ninja> I don't generally arbitrarily add a ppa for stuff either. If I don't use it or want it I go back and remove it.
[18:26] <tomreyn> try    sudo ppa-purge ppa:ernstp/mesarc     maybe this already makes things work properly. without or with the oibaf one.
[18:26] <tomreyn> and with the ubuntu kernel
[18:26] <magic_ninja> Doing both right now
[18:27] <magic_ninja> tomreyn, I think just booting into the ubuntu kernel should be sufficient, yes?
[18:28] <magic_ninja> I know what that repo was for. It was for corectrl.
[18:29] <magic_ninja> I suppose in the future I'll be making sure that the repo doesn't include other things I don't want it to.
[18:30] <magic_ninja> be right back, I'm going ot reboot
[18:32] <tomreyn> magic_ninja: just rebooting into the ubuntu kernel wouldn't be enough, you'd also need to ppa-purge (as indicated)
[18:34] <magic_ninja> tomreyn, sorry, yes, I did purge that ppa
[18:34] <tomreyn> magic_ninja: okay, did this help?
[18:35] <magic_ninja> I won't know yet, it usually takes it a while to start happening. It seems to happen at random.
[18:36] <magic_ninja> I also have a video of how it freezes windows if you want to see for future reference. I would be happy to PM you a link to it, I just don't want to post it publically.
[18:36] <magic_ninja> *publicly
[18:36] <magic_ninja> But I'll see how it goes.
[18:37] <tomreyn> https://i.imgur.com/zN56HSh.png lists more archives you may not actually need, and which could introduce problems. why would you need an 21.10 source code repo (first one on the list)?
[18:37] <magic_ninja> No, I don't need that one. I forgot to go and clean this up after the upgrade. I'll get it cleaned up now.
[18:38] <tomreyn> once it's all cleaned up, run     apt list --installed | grep ',local\]$' | nc termbin.com 9999
[18:38] <magic_ninja> damn discord and caprine won't start now
[18:39] <magic_ninja> do you know the package name for the software sources thing? I get to it from muon but would like to launch it directly
[18:39] <tomreyn> software-properties-qt probably
[18:40] <magic_ninja> that's it, thank you
[18:41] <tomreyn> the above command line prints packages / package versions which are installed but which are not available from any of the currently active PPAs. so packages which may not be comptaible to the rest of the system, and which may not receive security patches.
[18:41] <tomreyn> i'll take a longer nap now, good luck!
[18:48] <magic_ninja> Thanks. I cleaned that up. I'm going to do a reboot and see how that goes.