[02:25] <arraybolt3[m]> Simon Quigley (Developer): Hey guys, I'm back.
[02:27] <arraybolt3[m]> How thing's going?
[02:27] <arraybolt3[m]> s/guys//
[02:28] <guiverc> o/
 "How thing's going?" <- Can't complain, how are you?
[02:47] <tsimonq2> guiverc: g'day :)
 starting to put in new screenshots for 22.10 to the manual
[02:47] <arraybolt3[m]> Simon Quigley (Developer): Good enough I suppose. Getting ready to pick up with lxqt-themes.
[02:51] <arraybolt3[m]> @lynorian: Wow, that's cool!
[02:51] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3[m]: Very nice 
[02:51] <tsimonq2> lubot: Cool! Anything really new and interesting?
[05:44] <arraybolt3[m]> I botched the lxqt-qtplugin package in Backports and discovered my mistake while upstreaming to Debian. I've fixed the copyright file and pushed to my Git repo, but we'll need to reupload the package to the backports-staging PPA. I've also incremented the version number ~ppa2 to assist with that. Repo is on CodiMD, the package is clearly marked as needing reuploaded.
[05:44] <arraybolt3[m]> CodiMD link in case it got lost: https://notes.lubuntu.me/m4VP6HXnSI-e10z1MfsuAw?edit#
[05:45] <arraybolt3[m]> (I have to do one more force-push before it's done all in order, so bear with me...)
[05:47] <arraybolt3[m]> (OK, force push complete, now it's fully done.)
[05:47] <arraybolt3[m]> * botched the copyright file in the lxqt-qtplugin package
[05:52] <tsimonq2> I slept enough today where I should be around past 3
[05:53] <arraybolt3[m]> Sounds good. I'll keep plugging away (I'm almost done with my second package of the night).
 "(I have to do one more force-..." <- Out of curiosity, why the force push(
[05:53] <tsimonq2> * Out of curiosity, why the force push?
[05:53] <arraybolt3[m]> I did a sloppy job the first time I pushed and then went back and fixed it. Nothing already uploaded was force-pushed over, just stuff I had just done seconds before writing that I needed to force-push.
[05:54] <arraybolt3[m]> (I did half the job in one commit, then one and a half jobs in the second, then changed my mind and did one job per commit the second time.)
[05:57] <tsimonq2> Just for your own reference...
[05:57] <tsimonq2> When you get Git commit access to the Lubuntu repositories, force pushes can be necessary at times. I would encourage you to utilize `git revert` over `git rebase` discarding a commit, but that being said, there are cases where it feels and looks better to force push
[05:57] <tsimonq2> Just make sure you announce it loudly here. Include your rationale in a sentence or two and be prepared to defend your position (which I don't automatically consider wrong but look at more carefully in this case)
[05:57] <arraybolt3[m]> Makes sense. I've read the dangers of a force-push, and would go with revert in a heartbeat if I thought it has any chance of going wrong.
[05:58] <arraybolt3[m]> (And yes, announcing it loudly here and having reasoning is a good idea. And backups, because the last thing I need is for my logic to be faulty and there be no going back...)
[05:58] <arraybolt3[m]>  * (And yes, announcing it loudly here and having reasoning is a good idea. And backups, because the last thing any of us needs is for my logic to be faulty and there be no going back...)
[05:58] <tsimonq2> Kind of the same with packaging uploads when you have access to the archive. Say something in here, perhaps include a sentence or two of your internal monologue, and be prepared to defend yourself. 
[05:58] <tsimonq2> I will roast your first few direct uploads to the Ubuntu archive. I'm going to stop reminding you of when I'll roast you as we get closer :) but just know I need you to be prepared to defend your uploads and actions if you get to the point where you're uploading directly
[06:00] <arraybolt3[m]> Thank you. Keeping everything safe is way more important than anything else.
[06:00] <arraybolt3[m]> (In the Ubuntu/Debian world, that is.)
[06:00] <tsimonq2> (The more I roast you, the more you're prepared for people who are much less nice and patient. I do it out of love.)
[06:01] <arraybolt3[m]> I've seen bits of other roastings happen, so thanks for breaking me in gently. vorlon pop-quizzed Eickmeyer on some old packaging change out of nowhere just the other day, so I should be ready for that.
[06:01] <tsimonq2> I'm excited to get CI up so you can get some real world practice with proposed migration 
[06:01] <arraybolt3[m]> Sounds fun! teward got a $10/month RamNode VPS to host it for us.
[06:01] <tsimonq2> Cool! 
[06:02] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3 @arraybolt3:matrix.org: You know you're ready if you can read u-release and fully understand the technical stuff btw :P
[06:02] <tsimonq2> vorlon makes points sometimes that take me an hour to get...
[06:03] <arraybolt3[m]> u-release?
[06:03] <tsimonq2> shorthand 
[06:03] <arraybolt3[m]> I've never seen upstream/release, so...
[06:03] <arraybolt3[m]> (u=upstream to my mind atm)
[06:04] <tsimonq2> Oh and don't even get us both started on Spanish... he's fluent with a degree in it and one day I just started a conversation in Spanish... and we did the whole three hour convo in Spanish... :P
[06:04] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3[m]: Ubuntu
[06:04] <arraybolt3[m]> Oh no. I don't hardly speak Spanish.
[06:04] <arraybolt3[m]> Well crud, I don't know what ubuntu-release is, either. 🫠
[06:05] <tsimonq2> The channel in Matrix you're in :)
[06:05] <arraybolt3[m]> tsimonq2: How much Google Translate did you use? 'Cause I would've done the whole convo over that.
[06:05] <arraybolt3[m]> tsimonq2: OH! *That* ubuntu-release. OK. I thought we were talking about a file somewhere.
[06:05] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3[m]: About half and half. It was fun, I've taken four years of Spanish 
[06:05] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3[m]: Nope :)
[06:06] <tsimonq2> I mean, irclogs.ubuntu.com does exist
[06:06] <arraybolt3[m]> I've tried to learn Spanish, Italian, Hebrew, and Greek at one point or another, I ended up giving up on every single one. I've never been able to make heads or tails of any spoken language other than English, and even English seems like a catastrophic mess any time I think hard about it.
[06:07] <arraybolt3[m]> Computer languages I get. Spoken ones, not so much so.
[06:07] <tsimonq2> Once you get a deep feel for etymology it becomes a lot easier. Not easy to start. Duolingo is very useful
[06:08] <tsimonq2> Anyway...
[06:08]  * tsimonq2 goes afk for a bit
[06:08] <tsimonq2> Let me know how it all goes for you
[06:08] <tsimonq2> Let's do what we planned on doing the other night before Real Life kicked me in the stomach :)
[06:09] <tsimonq2> I'll try to leave some for you :P
[06:09] <arraybolt3[m]> Sounds like a good idea. I'm recovering from a Real Life kick, so I totally get it.
[06:10] <tsimonq2> As a wise Gen Z man once said, "it do be like that sometimes. And even when it don't, it do."
[06:10] <arraybolt3[m]> tsimonq2: That, my friend, is truth.
[07:55] <arraybolt3[m]> Simon Quigley (Developer): Just letting you know a few minutes early that I'm ready.
[08:00] <arraybolt3[m]> Simon Quigley (Developer): Crud, I can't remember your Debian email address and Matrix isn't being helpful trying to find it. I've accidentally put your Ubuntu email in Debian packaging, so we (I) should probably fix that. Could you shoot me that address again?
[08:05] <guiverc> arraybolt3[m], https://nm.debian.org/process/534/ contains what I assume is a valid email addr for tsimonq2  (don't look at his debian wiki page though; not much there)
[08:05] <arraybolt3[m]> guiverc: Thank you!
[08:05] <arraybolt3[m]> guiverc: Perfect, that's exactly what I was looking for.
[11:23] <arraybolt3[m]> OK, I got tons done, I almost finished qtermwidget, but it still has a few rough edges to smooth out. I'm done for tonight, so for anyone who wants to finish up the last little bits, feel free. CodiMD link refresh: https://notes.lubuntu.me/m4VP6HXnSI-e10z1MfsuAw?edit
[11:24] <arraybolt3[m]> (I'll finish it tomorrow (or I guess technically today at this point) if it's there when I get back.)
[11:24] <arraybolt3[m]> Thank you guys again!
[11:24] <guiverc> Thank you Aaron
[11:24] <arraybolt3[m]> guiverc: Thank you! How's things going?
[11:25] <guiverc> Just home from dinner with family (not my house..) good thanks.
[11:26] <arraybolt3[m]> guiverc: Very nice. G'...night? How do you say that in Australian? You get what I'm trying to say. 
[11:27] <guiverc> Yeah I do.  Goodnight is as common as anything... key is to say every word joined-together  (each sentence is a single word)
[11:28] <arraybolt3[m]> LOL I think all languages do that when you get fluent at it. I used to have the problem of not enunciating my words when I said them, so everything would come out as one big vowel. (I was still a kid at the time, but we laughed about that a LOT.)
[11:30] <guiverc> You knew how to speak 'ocker' (aussie)  :)
[11:31] <guiverc> aussies just don't stop; except when we're talking 'business & trying to act better than we really are'
[11:32] <arraybolt3[m]> Well hey, what matters is that the data got from point A to point B. Whatever series of sounds conveys the data, that's what we use.
[11:32] <arraybolt3[m]> (At least we don't sound like modems when we speak, can you imagine...)
[11:33] <guiverc> esp. the screech at the start (I forget what that was called)
[11:34] <guiverc> yeah you're right... communication only occurs when message gets thru... 
[11:34] <arraybolt3[m]> Hey, AGHGHGHGHGHGHGHGHGAAAAAGHGHGAAHGHGHGAAAA, how's it going this mornging?
[11:34] <guiverc> :)
[11:39] <guiverc> those notes look great Aaron; great work ! arraybolt3[m] tsimonq2 & everyone/anyone else who's worked on it
[11:40] <arraybolt3[m]> Thanks! I worked hard to make sure that it keeps track of pretty much everything. So far it's been working well.
[11:40]  * guiverc really apprecaitive of the Debian work too !  Would be nice for that box to catch up
[11:42] <arraybolt3[m]> That's what I'm working on the most right now. Trouble is that the workflow of upstreaming from Ubuntu back up to Debian is much slower than backporting. But it's coming along!
[11:43] <guiverc> :)  I have no idea myself.. my only upload rights are/were to publicity; ie. text & not code (to debian)
 Great job!!!!! (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <arraybolt3[m]> That's what I'm working on the most right now. Trouble is that the workflow of upstreaming from Ubuntu back up to Debian is much slower than backporting. But it's coming along!)
 "That's what I'm working on the..." <- Well done!👍️
 "I've seen bits of other roasting..." <- That wasn't so much a pop quiz as much as it was I upgraded a package and forgot to merge the Debian delta in this case. Debian had been upgrading the package to the current version a little too slow for my liking and I JFDI, but did it sloppily.
[17:36] <Eickmeyer[m]> Basically, it had been building for all archs, but the initial version that I introduced years ago was arch restricted. I built the package based off of that instead of debian's packaging, so I just merged in their delta and all was well.
[17:37] <Eickmeyer[m]> Basically, he pointed out that it was stuck in proposed and needed fixing.