[03:56] <arraybolt3[m]> Random idea for Lubuntu 22.10 - What do you say we include a character map app? I've had a use for one in the past and ended up falling back to Googling the character I was looking for and copying it out of there.
[03:56] <arraybolt3[m]> Also, my experience with Falkon on Lubuntu has been great, and I can easily see myself using it as my primary browser.
[04:08] <guiverc> against inclusion of character map is I do somewhat regularly complaints of lubuntu being 'bloated' (people complain about everything so those complaints mean nothing to me).. however most users who'd use it likely already know how to add what they want I suspect (or very easily find & add it)
[04:08] <guiverc> arraybolt3[m], ^
[04:09] <arraybolt3[m]> I see what you're saying, but oddly enough a character map is a relatively hard feature to find for Lubuntu.
[04:09] <arraybolt3[m]> I could install KDE's character map, but is that a good idea?
[04:09] <arraybolt3[m]> Now I know that KDE and LXQt are both Qt-based, so I think it's a good idea, but a user who knew the difference between desktop environments but not the similarities (like me not too long ago) might not know that.
[04:10] <arraybolt3[m]> Also if we're switching to Falkon from Firefox, that will substantially reduce bloat, which would make up for the inclusion of a character map.
[04:11] <arraybolt3[m]> Just some other thoughts to bounce around, it's not like I'm set on it or anything.
[04:15] <guiverc> KDE also requires KF5; are those KF modules already there; we have some for KDE Partition Manager etc...  Personally I don't see any issue with helping teach users, a quick fix is always a doco page on discourse
[04:15] <guiverc> an install of https://packages.ubuntu.com/kinetic/kcharselect on my box required nothing extra; but my box isn't 'clean'
[04:16] <arraybolt3[m]> Discourse page is a good idea. I just installed KCharSelect - it didn't have to pull in any external dependencies on my Kinetic VM. Admittedly, that VM is quite far from a clean environment, so more testing would need done, but there you go.
[04:16] <arraybolt3[m]> Though the chances of two non-clean environments behaving the same way seem pretty slim if it actually does take a lot of build deps or something.
[04:18] <guiverc> nah I'd check on a clean QA-test install; I'll have some around for whatever release was last (20.04.5 or 22.04.1 I think not kinetic) but I wouldn't want to use my box (artiful install; ie. back with LXDE) as basis for anything
[04:19] <arraybolt3[m]> Oy. OK, makes sense. I've got the latest Kinetic ISO zsync'ing now, so I can write the doc.
[04:20] <guiverc> fyi: I keep pretty clean systems for all supported Lubuntu releases (for testing, doco, support etc).. but this is my system; heavily modified & it is running Xfce currently (ie. multiple DEs installed - bloated+)
[04:23] <arraybolt3[m]> Ah. I usually don't modify my own systems that heavily, but I see your point. For me, I generally don't keep clean systems around, since my vm-isotest tool lets me boot an ISO in around 30 seconds or so, which works well enough for most stuff, and the stuff it doesn't work for, I'd want to do a fresh clean install anyway, which my tools also makes easy.
[04:28] <guiverc> Don't forget I do a fair amount of QA (less in recent cycles; but still quite a bit) and have systems I use for `install using existing partition', ie. a 20.04/focal system I don't upgrade but re-install ~weekly which performs (a) upgrade of packages & (b) QA-test install, ditto for jammy system used for same purpose etc..  the impish (no new ISOs so re-install achieves nothing there) is just for support, but it's about to become a kinetic 
[04:28] <guiverc> QA-test install bed... plus others.   I can use those systems for some testing if required when/if you have any  (particularly if packaging or system directory related; I try and avoid changing anything in $HOME as that I need to revert myself; I don't backup those systems)
[04:31] <arraybolt3[m]> Ah, that makes sense. For me, I've only got two computers I can dedicate to QA, and a lot of my work isn't in QA at least at the moment, so different workflows, different setups. That's cool that you have stuff like that - it's neat to get a glimpse into the corner of development the people around you are doing!
[04:32] <arraybolt3[m]> Ugh, your mention of Impish reminds me, I've got an Impish laptop still sitting around that desperately needs upgraded ASAP, and I've still not done it :-P
[04:32] <guiverc> Your 2x PCs probably have more cpu grunt than 20+ of mine :)
[04:32] <guiverc> Impish is still supported though  !   EOL is 14th
[04:33] <arraybolt3[m]> Probably not, actually. One of them is a 3rd-gen dual-core i5 laptop, the other's a modded Dell 3120 Chromebook IIRC.
[04:34] <guiverc> :)
[04:35] <guiverc> It's best if we all have different boxes; improves the usefulness of our QA
[04:36] <arraybolt3[m]> Fair.
[04:48] <arraybolt3[m]> Clean Kinetic environment, no extra deps had to be pulled in to install kcharselect, which ended up being less than 400 Kb of download.
[04:48] <arraybolt3[m]> About a megabyte of disk space actually used.
[04:49] <guiverc> I suspected as such, just didn't want to confirm using packages.ubuntu.com, or comparison with a kinetic.manifest etc
[11:46] <kc2bez> FYI 22.04.1 schedule is remaining the same.
[13:04] <guiverc> thanks kc2bez
[13:04] <kc2bez> Of course 
[16:19] <tsimonq2> For what it's worth I'll probably be around at about one o'clock central time
[18:20] <LeoK[m]> Filed new Calamares bug 1981473 - question as to whether these options should be available in the installer?  
[18:22] <tsimonq2> Okay, hi
[18:22] <kc2bez[m]> Yes, it should but I think I know why it doesn't work.
[18:22] <tsimonq2> kc2bez[m]: That's exactly why we did the sudo -H and env var trickery
[18:22] <tsimonq2> This bug has reappeared to no surprise :)
[18:22]  * tsimonq2 volunteers Dan Simmons 
[18:22] <LeoK[m]> kc2bez[m]: Probably related to Firefox snap??
[18:23] <kc2bez[m]> I know, we should be able to go back to that with the latest Cala push.
[18:23] <kc2bez[m]> > * <@tsimonq2:linuxdelta.com> volunteers Dan Simmons
[18:23] <kc2bez[m]> sure
[18:23] <kc2bez[m]> I'm on it
[18:23] <tsimonq2> In a bit I can try figuring out the Calamares theming issue, I'll let you try that though :)
[18:23]  * tsimonq2 has a feeling I'll have to do some Git bisecting
[18:24] <kc2bez[m]> LeoK[m]: Maybe, I don't think so though.
[18:24] <LeoK[m]> You guys are fast today!!
[18:24] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3: GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD afternoon :)
[18:24]  * tsimonq2 finds $caffeine and starts going through Aaron's sponsorship mountain^Mlist
[18:24] <tsimonq2> :P
[18:25] <kc2bez[m]> tsimonq2: I haven't had time to even glance at the theming other than we seem to be using Hex color codes so I don't know why it is confused.
[18:26] <tsimonq2> kc2bez[m]: Me neither, I can look.
[18:39] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3: I'm so confused on libfm-qt and I can't find your repo anywhere
[18:39] <tsimonq2> The link 404s
[18:46] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3: In lxqt-themes for Debian, you forgot to merge in the NMUs before you made your changes. I also suspect you forgot to merge in the `debian/sid` branches. You don't ever want to remove changelog entries when uploading to Debian.
[18:47] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3: I will be manually fixing this one before I upload it but please be more careful when it comes to that.
[18:47]  * tsimonq2 takes five first so I have an attack plan
[18:47] <tsimonq2> I would let you do the three-way crazy merge but I think it's my turn :P
[18:55] <tsimonq2> OH. Looking at the wrong packages. My bad Aaron.
[18:56] <tsimonq2> I mean, still forgot the merge from debian/sid
[18:56] <tsimonq2> But the NMUs are a different package altogether
[19:06] <tsimonq2> $ dput ftp-master lxqt-themes_1.1.0-1_source.changes
[19:06] <tsimonq2> [...]
[19:13] <tsimonq2> Ditto with lxqt-qtplugin.
[19:16] <tsimonq2> -Homepage: https://github.com/lxqt/lxqt-qtplugin
[19:16] <tsimonq2> +Homepage: https://github.com/lxde/lxqt-qtplugin
[19:20] <tsimonq2> $ dput ftp-master lxqt-qtplugin_1.1.0-1_source.changes
[19:20] <tsimonq2> [...]
[19:20] <tsimonq2> `lxqt-themes_1.1.0-1_source.changes ACCEPTED into experimental`
[19:24] <tsimonq2> and again with obconf-qt
[19:26]  * tsimonq2 sent a code block: https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/6031f1218fc36f4affea309c05b0c20c642a2580
[19:28] <tsimonq2> $ dput ftp-master obconf-qt_0.16.2-1_source.changes
[19:31]  * tsimonq2 takes a break, finishes the rest of the stage for Debian, finishes any Backports uploads, does a call for testing for Backports after smoke testing in a VM, and afks
[19:35] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3 @arraybolt3:matrix.org: When you get online lmk, I'll show you how I would use `syncpackage` so you can have me, teward, or Dan sponsor syncs from Debian for you in the meantime 
[19:35] <tsimonq2> > <@tsimonq2:linuxdelta.com> ```... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/71cc52bb0f219d822b74d013686e096c0a8daa44)
 Thanks @tsimonq2 ! (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <tsimonq2> takes a break, finishes the rest of the stage for Debian, finishes any Backports uploads, does a call for testing for Backports after smoke testing in a VM, and afks)
 *was pinged, and drops a grenade into the room*
[19:37] <tsimonq2> Oh hey perfect timing, I'll be giving you more responsibility teward :P
[19:37] <teward> syncs are easy though xD
[19:38] <tsimonq2> teward: What is your full GPG pubkey ID?
[19:39] <teward> extract it from here https://keyserver.ubuntu.com/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x5792f66164d057efc6d06faf5b8ad6f4c26adddd
[19:39] <teward> or from here: https://nm.debian.org/person/teward/
[19:39] <teward> i use the same key in Debian and Ubuntu :p
[19:40] <teward> *gives Simon more work while he's there too*
[20:03] <tsimonq2> teward: Please verify in a few that you now have upload access to the following packages in Debian: `lxqt-build-tools libqtxdg liblxqt libsysstat qtxdg-tools libfm-qt lxqt-themes lxqt-qtplugin obconf-qt pavucontrol-qt qtermwidget lximage-qt lxqt-about lxqt-admin lxqt-archiver lxqt-config lxqt-globalkeys lxqt-notificationd lxqt-openssh-askpass lxqt-policykit lxqt-session lxqt-sudo pcmanfm-qt qterminal lxqt-panel lxqt-powermanagement
[20:03] <tsimonq2> lxqt-runner`
[20:03] <teward> it'll send me the dak notice when it processes
[20:03] <tsimonq2> > <@tsimonq2:linuxdelta.com> ```
[20:03] <tsimonq2> > $ dput ftp-master obconf-qt_0.16.2-1_source.changes
[20:03] <tsimonq2> > ```
[20:03] <tsimonq2> `obconf-qt_0.16.2-1_source.changes ACCEPTED into experimental`
[20:04] <tsimonq2> Will dak send me something too?
[20:04] <tsimonq2> I forgot
[20:04] <teward> or, tell me which of the packages you want ME to upload :P
[20:04] <teward> yes it should
[20:04] <teward> also, salsa link.
[20:04] <teward> if you want me to upload one ;)
[20:04] <tsimonq2> This is more bus factor
[20:04] <tsimonq2> I don't know that I have access to give you Salsa perms
[20:04] <tsimonq2> However
[20:04] <tsimonq2> I think Aaron will need sponsored syncpackage runs later
[20:04] <teward> just give me the salsa repo to clone down and then upload
[20:05] <teward> i don'tneed upload on Salsa to upload staged changes :p
[20:05] <teward> at least, not to upload to ftp-master
[20:05] <teward> (debian-master in my dput config)
[20:05] <tsimonq2> Aaron left work for me :P
[20:05] <tsimonq2> well since I need to basically do a three-way merge on all these packages I don't have one for you yet :P
[20:05] <teward> but yeah syncpackage is easily doable :P
[20:05] <teward> cool cool
[20:05] <teward> have fun with that :p
[20:05]  * tsimonq2 throws 100 angry cats at Aaron :P
[20:06] <tsimonq2> Just waiting on dinstall
[20:06]  * teward replaces the cats with rabid tasmanian devils that willbe put into Aaron's pants/trousers
[20:06] <arraybolt3[m]> Wait, what?
[20:06] <arraybolt3[m]> (Sorry, I was asleep.)
[20:06] <tsimonq2> GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD afternoon Aaron :)
[20:06] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3[m]: I BANISH YOU TO SCROLLBACK AND COFFEE!
[20:06] <teward> *baps Simon with a pipe*  |
[20:07] <tsimonq2> ha
[20:07] <teward> tsimonq2: speaking of coffee, you're paying for my coffee :P
[20:07] <teward> *takes $12.95 from Simon*
[20:08] <arraybolt3[m]> I can see the wordflow I was using wasn't right, that's what's causing the problems you were mentioning. I'll need a few minutes to find out what all is happening, but I'll be there shortly.
[20:08] <arraybolt3[m]> s/wordflow/workflow/
[20:09] <tsimonq2> teward: inflation, it's now $500, no thanks :P
 lol
[20:10] <teward> tsimonq2: so examples of the notes I got from dak when other dak commands were run for my packages.  https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/rJzDQNdW2P/
[20:11] <teward> two by kilobyte who sponsored xca and vmfs6-tools, and one by onovy for nginx :P
[20:11] <teward> those came tome from ftp master so as long as your dak commandsworked right it should nag me
[20:11] <tsimonq2> ahh got it
[20:11] <tsimonq2> I don't have to include ALL your packages right?
 once, you know, ftpmaster yells
[20:11] <tsimonq2> just the ones I want to whitelist?
 no you don't, you only have to include the ones you want to grant me access to
[20:12]  * genii 's ears shoot up for a moment at the mention of coffee
 it shouldn't override the other permitted packages
[20:12] <teward> genii: ****GIVE CAFFEINE OR THE END SHALL COME!***  *rushes Genii with a sword*
[20:12] <teward> :P
[20:13] <teward> tsimonq2: case in point, onovy gave the solo dak to permit nginx and it allowednginx, while kilobyte's previous two separate dak allows for vmfs6-tools and xca still were persistent
[20:13]  * genii slides teward a strongly brewed mug of Ezra's Pound Parabolic Espresso
[20:13] <teward> *consumes, and halts in his tracks as he was about to attack*
[20:13] <teward> so yeah, for dak, i think you only need to add to the whitelist and not include the other stuff i have upload too
[20:13] <teward> s/too/to/
[20:14] <arraybolt3[m]> OK, here I am.
[20:14] <arraybolt3[m]> So, lemme guess... I was supposed to merge in debian/sid into debian/experimental first? I didn't do that.
[20:14] <tsimonq2> yeeeeeeeeeeep
[20:14] <tsimonq2> :)
[20:14] <arraybolt3[m]> So I just started with the base of a messy debian/experimental, updated it, and now... 🤦‍♂️
[20:14] <arraybolt3[m]> OK, now I'm going to skim the scrollback.
[20:15] <tsimonq2> and double check the archive doesn't have anything not in VCS
[20:15] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3[m]: I've been fixing it as I go along, no worries
[20:16] <tsimonq2> `$ dput ftp-master pavucontrol-qt_1.1.0-1_source.changes`
[20:16] <arraybolt3[m]> OK, I give up. There's so much activity that Element is having a hard time loading the scrollback, and I already burned my fancy "go to top" button, so...
[20:16] <teward> tsimonq2: note that if for some reason the system bitches for like bin-new or something, i've got Bastian (bage@debian) on my side for emergency sponsors of bin-new crap.  happened for nginx when we introduced nginx-dev for out-of-tree modulebuilding recently, so bage happily sponsored the changes from salsa right to experimental, which got past the bin-new.
[20:16] <teward> arraybolt3[m]: incoming paste storm
[20:16] <arraybolt3[m]> teward: OK, let me get my development rig hooked up.
[20:16] <teward> this goes back to yesterday :p  https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/R4GZVYhmQH/
[20:17] <teward> because i CBA to time-restrict it
[20:17] <tsimonq2> also irclogs.ubuntu.com
[20:17] <arraybolt3[m]> Good idea, but the waterfall we just plopped in won't have all the data yet.
[20:17] <arraybolt3[m]> teward: Thank you!
[20:18] <arraybolt3[m]> Oh, my link 404s? OK, hold on...
[20:20] <tsimonq2> ok so I don't see your qtermwidget changes either
[20:21] <tsimonq2> I'm going to start sifting through your remaining backports links in the meantime
[20:21] <tsimonq2> actually
[20:21] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3: What is left for Backports?
[20:21] <arraybolt3[m]> OK, caught up.
[20:22] <arraybolt3[m]> And my Chromebook is being a goober with CodiMD...
[20:22] <tsimonq2> I only see links to your repositories, no structured PRs/MPs
[20:22]  * arraybolt3[m] gets up and attacks the desktop
[20:22] <arraybolt3[m]> You are WAY FASTER than me at this point!
[20:23] <tsimonq2> it's okay I'm about to go afk soon anyway :)
[20:23] <tsimonq2> I will wait for the last of the Backports to publish if they're ready, smoke test, then release the QA kraken
[20:23] <arraybolt3[m]> OK, the backports problem is that there's a bunch of botched copyright files that have the LXQt team's copyright earlier than 2022.
[20:24] <arraybolt3[m]> I didn't know that needed fixed until late in the game.
[20:24] <arraybolt3[m]> So when I saw no new copyright notices, I just left it as is... I figured out that was wrong later, but a lot of the first packages have problems.
[20:24] <arraybolt3[m]> Simon Quigley (Developer): The libfm-qt links opens up just fine for me
[20:25] <arraybolt3[m]> I bet I accidentally set the repo to private...
[20:25] <tsimonq2> I'm not worried about the copyright changes as a blocker for a functional call for testing. I would only consider it a blocker for actually releasing it.
[20:25] <arraybolt3[m]> Yup. OK, try opening libfm-qt now.
[20:25] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3[m]: How about qtermwidget? Forget to push?
[20:25] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3[m]: 404
[20:26] <arraybolt3[m]> I actually gasp had to click a Save Changes button in Salsa!
[20:26]  * arraybolt3[m] grumbles at technology
[20:26] <tsimonq2> ooooo
[20:26] <arraybolt3[m]> OK, now try it.
[20:27] <tsimonq2> yep ✔️
[20:27] <tsimonq2> ok so how about backports?
[20:27] <arraybolt3[m]> qtermwidget looks pushed to me.
[20:27] <tsimonq2> What packages still need an initial upload?
[20:27] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3[m]: yeah?
[20:27] <arraybolt3[m]> Backports, you'll see the last five packages have a "needs merged" at the end.
[20:28] <arraybolt3[m]> Also, lxqt-qtplugin supposedly needs reuploaded, I don't remember why, GitHub will tell me.
[20:28] <arraybolt3[m]> Ah, it was just a copyright file fix.
[20:28] <arraybolt3[m]> So we can skip that for now.
[20:28] <tsimonq2> tsimonq2: ^ in case you didn't see it
[20:29] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3[m]: ok cool
[20:29] <arraybolt3[m]> 👍️
[20:29] <tsimonq2> looking at the last of Debian now
[20:29] <tsimonq2> see if you can find when Debian's next dinstall will be :)
[20:29] <arraybolt3[m]> And then we'll try to bash out the rest of Debian together?
[20:29] <arraybolt3[m]> Hang on, worst possible time for a kernel update...
[20:29]  * arraybolt3[m] checks on email in the mean time
[20:31] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3[m]: Got it. Weird race condition probs
[20:31] <tsimonq2> another three-way merge for me...
[20:31] <arraybolt3[m]> teward: OK, something went talk to texans here, right? case in point, onovy gave the solo dak to permit nginx and it allowednginx, while kilobyte's previous two separate dak allows for vmfs6-tools and xca still were persistent.
[20:32] <arraybolt3[m]> What did he just say?
[20:32] <tsimonq2> I can read it just fine
[20:32] <arraybolt3[m]> I don't know what the solo dak is.
[20:32] <arraybolt3[m]> And I'm realizing kilobyte must be a username.
[20:33] <tsimonq2> onovy and kilobyte are Debian Developers, nginx and vmfs... and xca are packages, dak is the Debian Archive ... something :P
[20:33] <arraybolt3[m]> Oh, OK, I'm figuring it out now.
[20:33] <tsimonq2> Cool
[20:35]  * arraybolt3[m] puts computer back together after reboot
[20:35]  * arraybolt3[m] gets hit with ANOTHER kernel update, this time in the VM
[20:35] <arraybolt3[m]> Oh wait, it's not a kernel update, ok, panic averted.
[20:36] <tsimonq2> teward: Debian binary NEW> libqtermwidget5-0 -> libqtermwidget5-1 will need attention and is blocking for the next stage. Will ping when it's been accepted.
[20:36] <tsimonq2> (Into the queue that is.)
 "`$ dput ftp-master pavucontrol-..." <- ```
[20:36] <tsimonq2> pavucontrol-qt_1.1.0-1_source.changes ACCEPTED into experimental
[20:36] <tsimonq2> ```
[20:37] <teward> tsimonq2: welcome to the hated bin-NEW :P
[20:37] <arraybolt3[m]> Simon Quigley (Developer): Should I try to clean up the last of my own packages, or would you like me to proceed (with a better workflow) with the next package?
[20:38]  * arraybolt3[m] gives teward back the tasmanian devil along with some rabies shots
[20:38] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3: Somehow you got qtermwidget on the first try tho minus changelog stuffs
[20:38] <arraybolt3[m]> (Also, do you mind if I reformat the markdown in CodiMD? My 1080p screen is screaming at me LOL)
[20:38] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3[m]: Don't worry about cleanup at this point, we're already behind, just crank it out :)
[20:38] <arraybolt3[m]> Oh wait, there's just one notice.
[20:39] <tsimonq2> Just fix your workflow for packages you haven't touched yet please
[20:39] <arraybolt3[m]> OK, now it looks peaceful.
[20:39] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3[m]: Go for it
[20:39] <teward> tsimonq2: i'm not dak-fluentbut only lxqt-runner was just added it seems to my upload perms.
[20:39] <teward> not sure if you did it wrong but we'll see whathappens :)
[20:40] <arraybolt3[m]> I'm using the Tractor symbol for "In progress" FYI.
[20:40] <teward> arraybolt3[m]: i see Simon explained him and I speaking Debianese :P
[20:41] <tsimonq2> teward: ```
[20:41] <tsimonq2> dcut ftp-master dm --uid 5792F66164D057EFC6D06FAF5B8AD6F4C26ADDDD --allow lxqt-build-tools --allow libqtxdg --allow liblxqt --allow libsysstat --allow qtxdg-tools --allow libfm-qt --allow lxqt-themes --allow lxqt-qtplugin --allow obconf-qt --allow pavucontrol-qt --allow qtermwidget --allow lximage-qt --allow lxqt-about --allow lxqt-admin --allow lxqt-archiver --allow lxqt-config --allow lxqt-globalkeys --allow lxqt-notificationd --allow
[20:41] <tsimonq2> lxqt-openssh-askpass --allow lxqt-policykit --allow lxqt-session --allow lxqt-sudo --allow pcmanfm-qt --allow qterminal --allow lxqt-panel --allow lxqt-powermanagement --allow lxqt-runner
[20:41] <tsimonq2> ```
[20:41] <teward> hmm maybe it's being slow
[20:42] <tsimonq2> `dput ftp-master qtermwidget_1.1.0-1_source.changes`
[20:42] <teward> also
[20:42] <teward> dak = debian archive kit
[20:42] <teward> (man dak is nice)
[20:42] <teward> man dcut*
[20:43] <teward> oh you know what i just read in the dcut manpage
[20:43] <teward> --allow PACKAGE LIST - Give a space-separated list of packages to apply permissions to more than one package at once.
[20:43] <teward> if multiple --allow are provided then it only looks at the last one
[20:44] <teward> so you should have done one --allow
[20:44] <teward> and then space separated the list
[20:44] <teward> which is why it only looked at lxqt-runner
[20:44] <arraybolt3[m]> Yeah but making it trickier on everyone is fun.
[20:44] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3: Problem. Get in touch with this guy, he literally just did this today: https://salsa.debian.org/lxqt-team/libfm-qt/-/commit/45da4a5280528aebffd9007c761bec1402a3af01
[20:44] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3: I can't proceed with the Debian stack until that's done.
[20:45] <teward> tsimonq2:  so this is what you should've sent:
[20:45] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3: Given that I just uploaded like five packages and he didn't even upload this yet, only pushed to VCS, I'm curious.
[20:45] <teward> ```dcut ftp-master dm --uid 5792F66164D057EFC6D06FAF5B8AD6F4C26ADDDD --allow lxqt-build-tools libqtxdg liblxqt libsysstat qtxdg-tools libfm-qt lxqt-themes lxqt-qtplugin obconf-qt pavucontrol-qt qtermwidget lximage-qt lxqt-about lxqt-admin lxqt-archiver lxqt-config lxqt-globalkeys lxqt-notificationd lxqt-openssh-askpass lxqt-policykit lxqt-session lxqt-sudo pcmanfm-qt qterminal lxqt-panel lxqt-powermanagement lxqt-runner```
[20:45] <tsimonq2> teward: ack yes please send I will execute
[20:45] <teward> i think
[20:46] <teward> tsimonq2: also, `man dcut` is your friend
[20:46] <arraybolt3[m]> Simon Quigley (Developer): I have no clue what to tell them, thoughts?
[20:46] <arraybolt3[m]> They're about to drop the C++ symbols.
[20:46] <tsimonq2> teward: Let's hope you're right.
[20:46] <teward> tsimonq2: well i'm reading the manpage so :P
[20:46] <teward> when in doubt, manpages
[20:46] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3[m]: Just say you already had the upload prepped, ask if they can please upload to experimental so you can merge your changes in.
[20:46] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3: I'd say email or IRC
[20:47] <teward> theonly thing is i think find/replace broke one thing by accident so if it says a package doesn't exist then we just have to fix that one:P
[20:47] <arraybolt3[m]> Simon Quigley (Developer): They're putting in in experimental though from what I see.
[20:47] <arraybolt3[m]> libfm-qt (1.1.0-1) experimental; urgency=medium
[20:47] <arraybolt3[m]> That's the first line of the diff.
[20:47] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3: Yeah so they're just kinda helping out.
[20:47] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3: We should coordinate.
[20:48] <arraybolt3[m]> I'm about to plop this in the comment box underneat the libfm-qt commit you linked to: "Hey, me and Simon have an upload prepped for this package into Debian, and are prepping many more, could you please upload to Experimental so we can merge our changes in?"
[20:48] <arraybolt3[m]> Is that OK? Simon Quigley (Developer) ^
[20:48] <tsimonq2> I wouldn't do it on the commit, I'd try email or IRC first
[20:48] <tsimonq2> See if you can establish a connection
[20:49] <teward> ^^ what simon said
[20:49]  * arraybolt3[m] reluctantly opens Konversation
[20:49] <tsimonq2> teward: Advice re: contemporary Debian relations ^
[20:49] <teward> tsimonq2: Oh, I'm well aware, it's how i have comaintainer on pv and a few other things now :P
[20:49] <tsimonq2> :P
[20:49] <teward> and i'm not inactive on #debian-devel too so when people file oddness or i need someone to sanity checkme people help :)
[20:50] <teward> like helping me sanity check the watch file thing i was helping arraybolt with
[20:50] <teward> and then when it was so quickly pointed out to me what i broke, I went "ffs" and facedesked hard at the 2AM it was xD
[20:50] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3: I'd also be nice about it... "hey not trying to step on toes but..."
[20:50] <teward> ^^
[20:50] <teward> tsimonq2: though i did get snippy at someone in #debian-devel and shoved them into /dev/null when they pinged me
[20:50] <teward> but i also apologized and said that i had a hell of a day
[20:51] <tsimonq2> XD
[20:51] <teward> i did  (debian 8, Ubuntu 12.04, and Exchagne 2010 env for a client... shitty day)
[20:51] <tsimonq2> oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooof.
[20:51] <teward> ye :p
[20:52] <teward> they were understanding - it's not like i was too offensive i was just peeved that day xD
[20:52] <tsimonq2> :P
[20:53] <teward> we all have minor spats with others, at least this one was a "woah, hostile!" and a "ye i had a crap day sorry...." right after it.  we all have those days :)
[20:53] <teward> but the big part is even despite the spats everyone still works well andbehaves :P
[20:55] <arraybolt3[m]> Simon Quigley (Developer): Message I'm about to shoot into #debian-devel: "Good afternoon (or whatever it is in your part of the world). I'm Aaron Rainbolt, and am working with a number of Ubuntu developers (including Simon Quigley, who is also a Debian Developer) on getting the most recent version of LXQt into Debian, merging in compatible changes from Ubuntu. I noticed Andrew Lee uploaded libfm-qt 1.1.0-1 earlier today, and I
[20:55] <arraybolt3[m]> was wondering if we could coordinate and put everything into Experimental so that we can all upload our changes. Thanks for your patience, and let us know how we can help!"
[20:55] <arraybolt3[m]> (I've not sent it yet.)
[20:55] <tsimonq2> hmmm idk about #debian-devel?
[20:55] <tsimonq2> directly to him on IRC?
[20:55] <tsimonq2> sorry if I was unclear
[20:56] <arraybolt3[m]> Oh, OK.
[20:56] <arraybolt3[m]> I dunno how to find his IRC nick though.
[20:57] <tsimonq2> https://wiki.debian.org/AndrewLee
[20:57] <tsimonq2> or like I said email :)
[20:58] <arraybolt3[m]> OK, email it is.
[20:58] <arraybolt3[m]> 'Cause I cant get Quassel to make a DM on a user that isn't on.
[20:59] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3: All five of those packages are now uploaded to Backports/
[20:59] <tsimonq2> I'm drafting an announcement on the blog before I go AFK
[20:59] <tsimonq2> (I'm drafting it for a few hours to give the Council a chance to give input and I have a gentleman's agreement with Marius from Softpedia)
[21:04] <arraybolt3[m]> Simon Quigley (Developer): Check your Debian inbox, I just sent you the email I intend to send to Andrew. Lemme know how to tweak it.
[21:05] <tsimonq2> ok so he didn't upload it directly to Experimental
[21:05] <tsimonq2> just VCS
[21:05] <tsimonq2> so we're asking if we can merge our changes in and do one upload, or ask him to upload so we can do a second one
[21:05] <tsimonq2> something like that
[21:06] <arraybolt3[m]> And this is why I have you review everything I type.
 tsimonq2: dak commands run.  https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/W5Hr49nDth/  looks much better :P
[21:07] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3[m]: lol
[21:07] <tsimonq2> teward: Very nice.
[21:07] <arraybolt3[m]> Simon Quigley (Developer): OK, draft 2 sent, how's that?
[21:08] <teward> and now you and I both have our dcut-fu ;)
[21:08] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3[m]: LGTM
[21:08] <tsimonq2> lmao t_eward
[21:08] <arraybolt3[m]> 👍️
[21:08] <arraybolt3[m]> Now I just need to not call it a draft when I send it to Andrew.
[21:09] <arraybolt3[m]> Alright, now back to lxqt-admin. 🚜
[21:26] <tsimonq2> https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/NHHVZRYqf5/
[21:28] <arraybolt3[m]> Simon Quigley (Developer): Wow, looks nice!
[21:28] <arraybolt3[m]> (I know my input doesn't matter here, but I liked it.)
[21:30] <tsimonq2> Thanks!
[21:30] <tsimonq2> It will automatically publish and tweet at 7 PM Central
[21:34] <arraybolt3[m]> Siq
[21:34] <tsimonq2> Smoke-testing that PPA and I'll be out of here for a bit
[21:34] <arraybolt3[m]> Simon Quigley (Developer): Should I add you to the uploaders in lxqt-admin and everything else?
[21:34] <tsimonq2> please
[21:34] <arraybolt3[m]> :+1
[21:34] <arraybolt3[m]> 👍️
[21:34] <arraybolt3[m]> (Let's see how many more typos I can make!)
[21:37] <tsimonq2> 😆
[21:37] <arraybolt3[m]> (What's really fun is when the commit history for a package looks like "Fixed xyz." "Actually fixed xyz." I have yet to have "Oh. My. Gosh. Fix xyz attempt 3.", thankfully.)
[21:38] <tsimonq2> lnmao
 "https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/..." <- Please publish to Discourse too in the announcements category, or I can, just let me know.
[21:45] <tsimonq2> kc2bez[m]: Can you please handle that at 7 Central?
[21:45] <tsimonq2> Unless I suddenly find myself back around
[21:45]  * kc2bez[m] does quick timezone math
[21:46] <arraybolt3[m]> lxqt-admin complete
[21:46] <kc2bez[m]> I should be able to.
[21:51] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3: https://github.com/lubuntu-team/qps-packaging please include in your Backports list
[21:51] <arraybolt3[m]> Simon Quigley (Developer): ack
[21:51] <arraybolt3[m]> (I think that means acknowledged, right?)
[21:52] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3[m]: yes you're learning, perfect :)
 "lxqt-admin complete" <- In Backports orrrrrrr?
[21:52]  * tsimonq2 slightly confused
[21:52] <arraybolt3[m]> Simon Quigley (Developer): In Debian.
[21:52] <tsimonq2> ok
[21:53] <tsimonq2> also
[21:53] <tsimonq2> `qtermwidget_1.1.0-1_source.changes REJECTED`
[21:53] <tsimonq2> I forgot I need to upload a deb with it...
[21:53] <arraybolt3[m]> Simon Quigley (Developer): Just in case you're wondering what on earth I'm doing with the LXQt stages, libfm-qt got moved from Stage III to Stage II recently, so I just shifted it into the right place in the list.
[21:54] <tsimonq2> oh yeah? nice
[21:54] <arraybolt3[m]> Details here if interested: https://github.com/lxqt/lxqt/issues/2267
[21:56] <tsimonq2> `$ dput ftp-master qtermwidget_1.1.0-1_amd64.changes`
[21:56] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3[m]: Thank you for filing that :)
 "lxqt-admin complete" <- Looking before I go
[21:57] <tsimonq2> That'll be my last thing to review before I take off for most of the rest of the night unless you have something else
[21:57] <arraybolt3[m]> Ah, I see you're changing things to say "uploaded" rather than "needs review", so there's no need, I was just reporting my progress cause I'm excited :-P 
[21:57] <tsimonq2> cool :P
[21:59] <arraybolt3[m]> Simon Quigley (Developer): OK, just got stuck on lxqt-archiver. There's a debian/experimental-snapshots branch, but no debian/experimental.
[21:59] <arraybolt3[m]> Do I make a new branch based off of Sid?
[22:00] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3[m]: checkout debian/sid and create debian/experimental from that
[22:00] <tsimonq2> okay actually I need to go now but I'm hoping things can be settled down
[22:00] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3: Oh, right, before I go let me give you a syncpackage example. You can include sponsored syncs in your LM doc ;)
[22:01] <arraybolt3[m]> OK, sounds cool, ready.
[22:01] <tsimonq2> ok let's start with lxqt-themes
[22:01] <tsimonq2> syncpackage is available in ubuntu-dev-tools
[22:01] <tsimonq2> I'm sponsoring this on behalf of you
[22:02] <arraybolt3[m]> I got it on my system.
[22:02] <arraybolt3[m]> (syncpackage that is)
[22:02] <tsimonq2> $ syncpackage -d experimental -s arraybolt3 lxqt-themes
[22:02] <tsimonq2> The source package 'lxqt-themes' status Deleted not in (Pending,Published) in experimental for pockets Release, Security, Updates, Proposed with status in Pending, Published
[22:03] <tsimonq2> So waiting on dinstall
[22:03] <tsimonq2> But that would be the syntax
[22:03] <tsimonq2> I love getting it down to the point where you hand me commands I execute :P
[22:04] <tsimonq2> dinstall @ 0152,0752,1352,1952 UTC
[22:04] <tsimonq2> $ date -u
[22:04] <tsimonq2> Tue Jul 12 10:04:11 PM UTC 2022
[22:04] <tsimonq2> So in about four hours we can sync all that.
[22:04] <tsimonq2> I may just be back by then.
[22:04] <arraybolt3[m]> And that will basically ask for the package to be uploaded, and then you or someone else can make it work?
[22:05] <tsimonq2> nah that asks Launchpad to copy the source directly from Debian into Ubuntu
[22:05] <tsimonq2> no manual uploading needed
[22:05] <arraybolt3[m]> Right, but that's not something I could run, right?
[22:05] <tsimonq2> You could run it to simulate it but you don't have permissions for the Ubuntu archive yet so no
[22:05] <tsimonq2> You can use it for PPAs though
[22:05] <arraybolt3[m]> OK, makes sense. (That's what I figured. Hey, but the PPA thing is cool!)
[22:05] <tsimonq2> Yeah :)
[22:06] <tsimonq2> Wait no, this isn't the one for PPAs
[22:06] <tsimonq2> copypackage is
[22:06] <tsimonq2> aha so that's in ubuntu-archive-tools
[22:07] <arraybolt3[m]> Nice. So, what do I do with that? Am I supposed to ask you to run it eventually? I figure you'd be reviewing my work and would know whether it should be run or not.
[22:07] <arraybolt3[m]> (Just trying to make sure I understand what everything's for so I can use it properly.)
[22:07]  * tsimonq2 sent a code block: https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/0e278f43dbf398d70d9c2aca0b79e0e77a042069
[22:08] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3[m]: Yes, you'd be asking me to run syncpackage
[22:08] <tsimonq2> When we're uploading stuff to Debian, we want to sync that over the Ubuntu changes
[22:08] <tsimonq2> (So technically it needs an -f)
[22:08] <tsimonq2> And if the stack is already built for 1.1, it doesn't even need to be built in that order.
[22:09] <tsimonq2> (The build chain is already complete.)
[22:09] <tsimonq2> Anyway, for real now, if Thomas or Dan want to step in go for it, otherwise you're waiting for dinstall
[22:09] <kc2bez[m]> The uploader should know the delta before they - f :p
[22:10] <kc2bez[m]> But yeah
[22:10] <tsimonq2> kc2bez[m]: bah :P
[22:10]  * tsimonq2 jk
[22:10] <kc2bez[m]> Yolo
[22:10] <arraybolt3[m]> ?
[22:10] <arraybolt3[m]> (I don't know what yolo means.)
[22:10] <kc2bez[m]> Rly? 
[22:10] <arraybolt3[m]> I don't get out much.
[22:10] <kc2bez[m]> You only live once
[22:10] <tsimonq2> you only live once duuuuuuude
[22:11] <tsimonq2> :)
[22:11] <arraybolt3[m]> It's weird, I'm Gen Z, but a lot of Gen Z stuff flies over my head.
[22:11] <arraybolt3[m]> Ah, got it, thank you!
[22:11] <tsimonq2> :D
[22:12] <kc2bez[m]> Well, I'm old. I am gen x :D
[22:12] <arraybolt3[m]> That's my people.
[22:14] <tsimonq2> I can be a bit of a chameleon at times.
[22:53] <kc2bez[m]> https://9to5linux.com/lubuntu-devs-announce-the-lubuntu-backports-ppa-with-latest-lxqt-desktop-releases
 Nice, thanks kc2bez
[23:11] <kc2bez[m]> 👍
[23:12] <kc2bez[m]> Huge thanks to arraybolt3 @arraybolt3:matrix.org: actually. He has been hitting the ball out of the park. 
[23:13] <arraybolt3[m]> Dan Simmons: Well thanks, I'm sure trying!
[23:13] <arraybolt3[m]> (Also, wow, cool to see the work we've all put in get a news spot on a major Linux new site!)
 That is for sure,  Super grateful thank you @arraybolt3[m]
[23:15] <kc2bez[m]> 9to5linux.com is one of my go to places. Marius does an amazing job curating articles.
[23:16] <kc2bez[m]> He has always been very supportive 
[23:17] <guiverc> :)
[23:22] <arraybolt3[m]> Simon Quigley (Developer) Dan Simmons guiverc @teward001 and everyone else: No one's relying on my fork of qtxdg-tools on Salsa, right?  I'm about to force-push over the top of it.
[23:23] <arraybolt3[m]> (I didn't name the branches right when I first pushed it to my own repo on Salsa, I renamed the branches, pushed, and now Git is mad at me.)
[23:23] <arraybolt3[m]> (I think the force push will fix it.)
[23:24] <arraybolt3[m]> I guess it's not a fork really, but was a repo I created from scratch. I highly suspect no one's using it ATM, but better safe than sorry.
[23:25] <guiverc> I'd reackon you're safe arraybolt3[m]
[23:25] <kc2bez[m]> It looks like you are clear the best I can tell.
[23:26] <arraybolt3[m]> OK. If Simon also is good with it, I'll push.
[23:26] <arraybolt3[m]> (I just don't want to mess up his local copy if he has one.)
[23:40] <tsimonq2> Push