| ladeda | I am running into an unusual issue where I use a local APT repository with the trusted=yes set across several Ubuntu hosts. If I run an apt-get update on 99% of the hosts it works no fine, but I have one particular hosts configured the same way that throws an error complaining about "The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public | 00:16 |
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| ladeda | key is not available: NO_PUBKEY" but any GPG checking should be bypassed with the "trusted=yes" option... is this some time of bug I am running into? I've tried cleaning out all files related to the local repository in /var/lib/apt/lists and then run apt-get update, but it does not fix the issue. | 00:16 |
| Mikemk | Is there a pre-made tool for verifying hard drive images? with sha256, I'd have to spend another 8 hours for a single error, I'm hoping there's something that can tell me where the error is so i only need to recopy a small section. preferably something that runs on both linux and windows | 00:24 |
| sarnold | ladeda: maybe re-check /etc/apt/sources.list *and* /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ directory of files? maybe there's a surprising overlooked line there.. | 00:33 |
| sarnold | Mikemk: what problem exactly are you trying to solve? | 00:33 |
| Mikemk | I'm upgrading my hard drive | 00:34 |
| ladeda | sarnold yeah that's the first thing I did nothing out of the ordinary here no duplicate sources that don't have the trusted flag | 00:34 |
| sarnold | ladeda dang :( I was hoping for something easily overlooked, hehe | 00:34 |
| Mikemk | don't have an adapter to copy directly to the new M.2 drive, so i'm copying over the network to my desktop. It takes 4 hours to copy once, so if there's any errors (not unlikely over the network), I'd like to be able to only have to recopy the errored part | 00:35 |
| Mikemk | instead of 1 sha256sum for the entire file, have it be 1 for the first GB, another for the 2nd, or something like that | 00:35 |
| Mikemk | something that'll pinpoint the error for me | 00:36 |
| sarnold | oh, so you did something like dd if=/dev/sda of=- | ssh remote cat > bar kind of thing? | 00:36 |
| Mikemk | yeah | 00:36 |
| Mikemk | and i want the quickest way to verify the image after copying. | 00:38 |
| sarnold | I think I'd do a sha256 or md5 or whatever you prefer on both the drive and the file at the same time and mostly hope they come up identical :) if you used ssh, it'll provide far better guarantees than just tcp and ip's crc checks | 00:38 |
| Mikemk | Didn't use ssh, I have the terminal window in a windows network share | 00:39 |
| sarnold | smb then? hmm. I don't know what it does for reliability :( | 00:39 |
| sarnold | but dozens of windows users use it without too much complaint, maybe it's good enough to try the whole-thing checksum first and hope it works out | 00:40 |
| Mikemk | I suppose I can, but I've got 3 hours left till it finishes copying, so I can write a tool to give me the checksum per GB. Just hoping someone already did | 00:40 |
| sarnold | you could put together a small shell script around dd, using skip= and count= to selectively read eg one gig chunks at a time, as you said, but both tasks might finish while you're writing it.. | 00:41 |
| Mikemk | I doubt it'll take me 3 hours to write it | 00:42 |
| Mikemk | Though I am taking the total sha256 of the ssd as i wait | 00:43 |
| sarnold | heh yeah, it won't take three hours | 00:43 |
| Mikemk | alright, well thanks. if anyone happens to already have a script like that, let me know so i don't have to write it myself | 00:44 |
| ladeda | I found this but it's an old bug | 00:46 |
| ladeda | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=872543 | 00:46 |
| ubottu | Debian bug 872543 in apt "apt does not honor trusted=yes from sources.list" [Important, Open] | 00:46 |
| ladeda | I'm running Ubuntu 20.04 so can't be the same issue | 00:47 |
| sarnold | try [trusted=yes check-date=no] all the same, it's a hint, otherwise we've got nothing :) | 00:50 |
| ladeda | Tried that... doesn't work. | 00:51 |
| sarnold | ;( | 00:51 |
| tomreyn | ladeda: there are debug options to apt, have you tried them? | 00:57 |
| tomreyn | bottom of apt.conf(5) | 00:57 |
| ladeda | no ill try those thank you | 00:59 |
| Alys | Hello | 01:11 |
| GunArm1 | how can I remove the packages that are installed when installing another package? eg: apt install gcc dumps 200mb of stuff on the drive, remove gcc removes 40k. autoremove doesn't do anything | 01:16 |
| GunArm1 | I have the list of dependant packages from the install command, but there surely must be a way to not have to manually specify every dep that came with the thing? | 01:17 |
| GunArm1 | (I thought this was what autoremove was all about) | 01:17 |
| oerheks | reboot, try again to autoremove? | 01:19 |
| oerheks | else such small dependencies linked are not that harmfull | 01:20 |
| GunArm1 | well this is in a container, so I'm trying to minimize the layer size | 01:20 |
| GunArm1 | but i must have actually done something wrong because in a fresh container, autoremove is removeing what I expect | 01:20 |
| GunArm1 | will retry tomorrw | 01:20 |
| oerheks | then use one container for gcc... | 01:20 |
| oerheks | etc | 01:20 |
| GunArm1 | yeah, i should be using multistage builds | 01:20 |
| oerheks | have fun! | 01:21 |
| GunArm1 | ty | 01:21 |
| fikran[m] | upgraded Ubuntu versions, yay! Lots of stuff stopped working :) | 01:25 |
| oerheks | " lot of stuff stopped..." ppa's are disabled, read the releasenotes for changes perhaps? | 01:26 |
| GunArm1 | fwiw, my problem was I had also installed unixodbc-dev which has many (all?) of the same deps as gcc | 01:27 |
| oerheks | any -dev without gcc, what would you be using then? | 01:28 |
| GunArm1 | basically I need to get some perl modules into the image, which required several -devs and gcc to build, I figured I didn't need the dev headers after building the modules, but didn't have enough confidence to remove them initially without some testing | 01:30 |
| fikran[m] | Is there a tool I can use to configure my network? | 01:31 |
| fikran[m] | Rather than editing configuration files, which I always mess up... | 01:32 |
| tomreyn | fikran[m]: what are you running there? | 01:32 |
| fikran[m] | Impish 21.10 as of a few hours ago :) | 01:33 |
| tomreyn | that's EOL as of today/tomorrow | 01:34 |
| tomreyn | fikran[m]: anyways, to also answer your question, if this is ubuntu desktop (gnome-shell), then you can configure networking using the menu on the top right corner, or using settings. if you want more options, there is also "advanced network configuration" or similar (?) | 01:42 |
| tomreyn | AKA nm-connection-editor | 01:42 |
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| fikran[m] | tomreyn: You suggesged nm-onnection-editor. I don't have a GUI at the moment | 02:22 |
| fikran[m] | This is a Raspberry Pi. | 02:22 |
| Elon_Satoshi | How do I manually make an Ubuntu Live persistence USB drive? | 02:23 |
| oerheks | on what host, Elon_Satoshi ? | 02:23 |
| oerheks | !usb | 02:24 |
| ubottu | For information about installing Ubuntu from USB flash drives, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick - For a persistent live USB install, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveUsbPendrivePersistent | 02:24 |
| FaTaL_G | I've experienced various freezing of my ubuntu, from 16.04, 18.04, 20.04, and today, 22.04. Thankfully its rare. I know within minutes of when it happened today, can anyone suggest what logs I should look at? | 02:24 |
| Elon_Satoshi | oerheks: Arch Linux | 02:24 |
| oerheks | mkusb on linux, i guess | 02:24 |
| oerheks | oh | 02:24 |
| oerheks | nope, not for arch | 02:24 |
| oerheks | ask in arch? | 02:25 |
| tomreyn | fikran[m]: see, that's why i asked what you're running. there is nmtui if you want a text ui for network manager, nmcli for a CLI, and netplan for a simplified configuration frontend for both systemd-networkd and network manager | 02:25 |
| FaTaL_G | no gnome or anything, mainly running it as a server. So freezes are a horrible thing | 02:25 |
| tomreyn | FaTaL_G: does it lock up fully then, or just freeze temporarily and recover a bit later? | 02:26 |
| FaTaL_G | locks up fully | 02:26 |
| tomreyn | can it be just graphics? have you tried magic sysrq? | 02:27 |
| FaTaL_G | and worse yet... which makes me wonder .... | 02:27 |
| oerheks | rare lockups, do a memtest86 run | 02:27 |
| FaTaL_G | I have PTSD with apt update && upgrade; if it says "kernel" updates..... | 02:28 |
| FaTaL_G | I cannot even begin to tell you how many times I have had to boot from live disk/usb and fix-boot or chroot update-initramfs | 02:28 |
| FaTaL_G | it could be video related, but I use onboard, no nvidia... and its all terminal driven | 02:29 |
| FaTaL_G | no x-win | 02:29 |
| FaTaL_G | memtest has passed with this hardware before, but I can try that again | 02:30 |
| tomreyn | so if it's not certain that it's a hard cpu lockup, then you should use sysrq-s,u,b next time it happens, and then check your logs after reboot | 02:31 |
| FaTaL_G | I will write that down, thank you | 02:32 |
| tomreyn | !sysrq | 02:32 |
| ubottu | In an emergency, you may be able to shutdown cleanly and reboot by holding down Alt+PrintScreen and typing slowly, in succession, S, U and B. For an explanation, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_SysRq_key | 02:32 |
| tomreyn | but if you're workin in a tty, ctrl-alt-del should also just work there, i guess | 02:32 |
| FaTaL_G | it does not | 02:33 |
| FaTaL_G | oh have I tried that, so many times | 02:33 |
| FaTaL_G | and alt-# session changing to a new terminal, no luck | 02:34 |
| tomreyn | sysrq goes directly to the kernel, so it's a tid bit more direct. | 02:35 |
| tomreyn | see also https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/Debugging | 02:35 |
| sarnold | does the numlock keyeven work? | 02:35 |
| tomreyn | but i'd also start with testing the hardware | 02:36 |
| Mikemk | always wonder what the sys rq key was for | 02:36 |
| Mikemk | wondered* | 02:36 |
| FaTaL_G | well, after reboot, I had a ztsd-compression message, and no init found, kernel panic. had to sysrescue. and the boot partition was dirty | 02:36 |
| sarnold | fiddling with the key and seeing what the light does is a quick way to guess just how wedged the machine is | 02:36 |
| FaTaL_G | no real reason it should have been dirty since ... while the system is running... after boot... /boot shouldn't be getting written to... right??? | 02:37 |
| FaTaL_G | no numlock and capslock dont change states | 02:37 |
| Mikemk | updates write to /boot if you update grub or the kernel | 02:37 |
| jhutchins | FaTaL_G: This kind of excitement is why you're messing with an experimental FS though, isn't it? | 02:37 |
| tomreyn | it's mounted, that's good enough to have the dirty bit set | 02:37 |
| FaTaL_G | fair enough | 02:37 |
| FaTaL_G | my boot is ext2 | 02:38 |
| FaTaL_G | right? | 02:38 |
| FaTaL_G | thats not experimental anymore :) | 02:38 |
| FaTaL_G | main root is lvm | 02:38 |
| Mikemk | why are you using ext2 for your boot partition | 02:39 |
| sarnold | ah that's pretty consistent with ext2; there's no journal to replay upon an unclean shutdown, so you get asked to fsck the thing | 02:39 |
| FaTaL_G | I do pay attention to the update/upgrade window, and I dont see errors when it updates... but if I have to reboot... ugh... its often hosed | 02:39 |
| Mikemk | Scratch that, why would you use anything older than ext4 period? | 02:39 |
| sarnold | Mikemk: I had some *crazy* errors that no one else could reproduce, because I was using ext3 at a time that was implemented, poorly, in the ext4 code :) | 02:40 |
| FaTaL_G | Mikemk: I installed it back around 14/16, and the guide I followed or the live disk basically defaulted to it? I dont know. I just never changed it? | 02:40 |
| sarnold | it'd be worth redoing with filesystems from this century | 02:41 |
| Mikemk | Even when you installed that guide was severely outdated | 02:41 |
| FaTaL_G | Any guides I can follow? I would love to | 02:41 |
| Mikemk | what distro | 02:41 |
| Mikemk | wait scratch that, that's obvious | 02:42 |
| FaTaL_G | I'm linux knowledgable, but nowhere near advanced. Im on 22.04 LTS now | 02:42 |
| Mikemk | https://ubuntu.com/tutorials/install-ubuntu-desktop#1-overview | 02:42 |
| Mikemk | I would say backup everything you need and do a clean install, who knows what oddities you've got | 02:42 |
| FaTaL_G | I dont want to install fresh??? the LVM is fine (and is ext4 I believe) | 02:42 |
| FaTaL_G | its just boot that is ancient | 02:43 |
| FaTaL_G | ugh. A fresh install probably isnt a bad idea. | 02:43 |
| FaTaL_G | I just think I'll have to build a new machine to do it :) | 02:44 |
| Mikemk | either copy all the files off /boot, reformat ext4, and copy back, or just move /boot onto your main partition and delete the boot partition (DO NOT delete the EFI partition if it exists) | 02:44 |
| FaTaL_G | I dont have an EFI partition. Everytime I boot into Live from USB, it goes UEFI, and when I use boot-repair it tells me, Im in a EFI session, consider making a EFI partition on disk | 02:45 |
| FaTaL_G | (something to that effect) | 02:46 |
| Mikemk | if you do the fresh install, make it a uefi install | 02:46 |
| FaTaL_G | can I move boot on the main partition (lvm) and grub will boot from it? | 02:47 |
| Mikemk | boots faster, more modern, less finicky | 02:47 |
| FaTaL_G | I like it | 02:47 |
| Mikemk | In theory yes, but i'm not sure the exact steps | 02:47 |
| FaTaL_G | maybe I'll grab a second SSD and go that route. | 02:47 |
| Mikemk | Or turn /boot into an efi partition | 02:48 |
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| fikran[m] | Hi, sorry I asked this earlier. I don't have a GUI on this machine, I'm just SSH'ed into this host. | 04:55 |
| fikran[m] | Is there a way to configure my network with a tool? I don't want to accidently kick myself offline. | 04:55 |
| fikran[m] | I want to set a static IP and setup wifi | 04:55 |
| luna__ | nmtui | 04:55 |
| * fikran[m] tries | 04:56 | |
| arraybolt3[m] | fikran: Just be careful, I've messed up networking on a Pi before, thankfully I had it near me and could fix it. Nmtui should be good, though. | 04:58 |
| fikran[m] | yeah, this wouldn't be catastrophic, but I just don't want to head downstairs and fix it at this hour. | 04:59 |
| fikran[m] | alright, rebooting this Pi. Lets see how this goes :) | 05:06 |
| Mikemk | Awesome! No copying errors! I don't have to spend another 5 hours copying+verifying the old hard drive again! | 05:07 |
| Mikemk | Scratch that, I actually do have to, to put the data on the new drive, but you get what I meant | 05:07 |
| fikran[m] | Worked. Awesome :) | 05:12 |
| luna__ | great | 05:12 |
| fikran | Connecting from my BNC that works now on that Raspberry Pi. We're coming full circle! | 05:13 |
| silv3r_m00n2 | hi there, for some reason, my laptop wakes up at 4-5 AM when i am asleep, and keeps running and then battery goes 0% and it shut downs... how can i find out whats waking up my laptop | 05:30 |
| silv3r_m00n2 | i usually turn off the mains power supply to laptop when i go to bed and turn it on next morning | 05:31 |
| gry | hi | 05:49 |
| luna__ | hey | 05:49 |
| gry | silv3r_m00n2, did this start recently? did it ever work properly before (i.e., without waking up at 4-5am)? | 05:49 |
| gry | hi luna__ | 05:50 |
| matsaman | silv3r_m00n2: well if you actually turned it off (vs suspend/hibernate it), it's unlikely it could wake itself | 05:52 |
| matsaman | so perhaps you had only suspended/hibernated it | 05:52 |
| gry | silv3r_m00n2: could you please confirm what you do in the evening before going to bed? | 05:53 |
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| silv3r_m00n2 | hi there | 06:52 |
| silv3r_m00n2 | my laptop battery looses power even when asleep, overnight in 8 hours it lost 95% power | 06:53 |
| silv3r_m00n2 | it does not drain this fast even when actually working and using | 06:53 |
| silv3r_m00n2 | whats going on | 06:53 |
| silv3r_m00n2 | ubuntu 22.04 | 06:53 |
| Maik | silv3r_m00n2: using supsend? | 07:03 |
| Maik | supsend/suspend | 07:04 |
| guiverc | suspend uses minimal power; but only hibernate turns the power off (saving everything to disk; suspend needs RAM to be powered otherwise session is lost) | 07:05 |
| silv3r_m00n2 | Maik: i leave the lid open, and go away from the laptop, switch off the mains power .... laptop goes to sleep in 15 minutes as per settings | 07:09 |
| silv3r_m00n2 | however i have noticed that sometimes, like once every 3 days, the laptop suddenly looses all its power and shuts down... this is weird | 07:09 |
| silv3r_m00n2 | cat /sys/power/mem_sleep | 07:10 |
| silv3r_m00n2 | [s2idle] deep | 07:10 |
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| silv3r_m00n2 | also i noticed that this problem wasnt there before, but started only after i upgraded to ubuntu 22.04 on this acer laptop | 07:10 |
| silv3r_m00n2 | sometimes this does not happen and laptop looses only about 8-10% power over night, which is reasonable | 07:12 |
| silv3r_m00n2 | but once every 3 days, it looses entire 100% and shuts down | 07:12 |
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| manwhowouldbekin | Greetings! After bringing up Ubuntu 22.04 from suspense, I noticed that none of US devices seemed to work. For keyboard, the solution was a simply unplug-and-plug-back-in. However, the external audio interface is still not detected. Is there something I can do to reboot the USB service or somehow rescan the devices? | 07:33 |
| tarzeau | just being curious if there's others that want to opt out of phased updates? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt/+bug/1981672 | 07:35 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1981672 in apt (Ubuntu) "apt phased out broken code, missing documentation to opt out" [Undecided, New] | 07:35 |
| smallville7123 | how do the package repositories work in terms of user submitted packages and downloading | 07:41 |
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| guiverc | smallville7123, I don't know what you're asking, but https://packaging.ubuntu.com/html/ may help | 08:06 |
| goulashsoup | (Rerequest, i have Ubuntu acc now) Does someone know why a MBR ubuntu desktop installation has an empty /boot/efi partition? | 08:09 |
| guiverc | goulashsoup, I just completed a desktop install to a 2005 hp; only a single partition was installed which was / ; no ESP was created.. It'll depend on the installer/ISO you use what gets installed; but ESP is not required. If it's empty it's not required | 08:10 |
| guiverc | (fyi: it was Lubuntu 22.04.1 daily I installed using calamares installer) | 08:11 |
| goulashsoup | guiverc Related question https://superuser.com/questions/1613928/unexpected-efi-system-partition-id-on-mbr-disk | 08:11 |
| goulashsoup | Is this a known bug? | 08:11 |
| hub | Hi, im trying to preseed a 22.04 Desktop Installation but i am unable to find a full example of preseed options. Currently im trying to find the options for the "Updates and other Software" Chapter of the installer. (I tried dumping with debconf-get-selections but the invocation with --installer does not give me any output.) Is there a full example of options necessary for a fully automatic install | 08:12 |
| hub | process? | 08:12 |
| guiverc | goulashsoup, I see no details as to what OS/release/ISO was used for that superuser question so cannot see how it relates. | 08:13 |
| goulashsoup | guiverc In my case it was `ubuntu-20.04.4-desktop-amd64.iso` | 08:13 |
| guiverc | If I use a different 22.04 ISO/installer the result I mentioned can differ; I acknowledge that; but the user has control by ISO used/selected & options used | 08:13 |
| goulashsoup | guiverc Options Erase disk + LVM + Encryption | 08:15 |
| guiverc | I haven't used that ISO in some time I can't recall what it creates; but yes default could be creating ESP but I can't recall. I do know it will create a system too without one (ie. ubiquity on focal doesn't mandate ESP even if one is default) | 08:15 |
| goulashsoup | guiverc k thanks | 08:15 |
| smallville7123 | does Ubuntu have support for third-party package repositories ? | 08:18 |
| Unit193 | Apt does, you won't get support for the packages though. | 08:18 |
| guiverc | PPAs are 3rd party package repository; PPA = personal package repository | 08:18 |
| guiverc | smallville7123, ^ | 08:19 |
| Unit193 | There's some pretty solid ones too, like the Tor project's. | 08:19 |
| smallville7123 | could someone create their own and have other users be able to upload to that PPA ? | 08:19 |
| guiverc | goulashsoup, fyi: I just started another QA-test install of jammy (22.04), no ESP exists on disk & won't be created; but no format is being done for this install; manual partitioning | 08:20 |
| guiverc | smallville7123, you can have a team of uploaders with access to PPA | 08:20 |
| guiverc | if you create & host your own too smallville7123 , you can set the rules yourself | 08:20 |
| goulashsoup | guiverc Maybe it was a bug is now fixed, again i used 20.04... | 08:21 |
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| guiverc | smallville7123, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Ubuntu | 08:21 |
| smallville7123 | what if a random user wants to upload to this PPA ? | 08:21 |
| alkisg | guiverc: didn't you hit this one with BIOS/MBR + manual partitioning? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1951674 | 08:22 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1951674 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Incorrectly warns 'No EFI System Partition was found' on BIOS/MBR" [Undecided, Confirmed] | 08:22 |
| guiverc | goulashsoup, I don't believe it's a bug... 22.04.1 is the next release thus why I'm QA-testing that; 20.04.5 is next and I'd expect identical results there ! (I just don't clearly recall my last focal install; recently has been mostly kinetic & jammy) | 08:22 |
| Unit193 | See also: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianRepository/Setup | 08:22 |
| guiverc | alkisg, I'm not tagged as that bug impacting me; nor do I clearly recall it.. | 08:23 |
| alkisg | I wasn't able to ever avoid seeing that warning, in all my 22.04 BIOS/MBR installations | 08:24 |
| guiverc | The message looks familiar to me alkisg for sure, but I have no clear recollection of encountering it (except maybe a day or two which was then resolved but a like issue maybe as i wasn't tagged as 'impacts me to' for that) | 08:26 |
| alkisg | 👍️ | 08:27 |
| guiverc | issue may be related to firmware on boxes; I'm just lucky maybe? | 08:27 |
| alkisg | I even reproduced it in VMs, I've never found any way not to see it | 08:27 |
| guiverc | I'll zsync a ubuntu-mate ISO when I can & re-try alkisg (xubuntu too possibly) | 08:28 |
| goulashsoup | alkisg guiverc Interesting, is there a way to check the installation process, any logs? | 08:28 |
| guiverc | jammy ^ | 08:28 |
| * guiverc clarifies yet again jammy daily | 08:28 | |
| alkisg | Thank you guiverc ; goulashsoup sure there are logs somewhere under /var/log, maybe in some ubiquity folder | 08:28 |
| alkisg | guiverc: I only tested with all alpha/beta/final 22.04 images; not the daily ones after the release; I'll test once more when 22.04.1 is out | 08:29 |
| smallville7123 | like is it safe to give a rendom person access to my PPA ? | 08:29 |
| guiverc | smallville7123, anyone can download from a PPA; you want to restrict upload privileges of course ! | 08:30 |
| alkisg | smallville7123: installing .deb packages is equivalent to giving root access to your PC. People should be able to trust your PPA in order to use it; they can't trust "random people". | 08:30 |
| matsaman | as far as distribution, you would just want to make sure you aren't somehow leaking information you didn't mean to be leaking | 08:31 |
| * guiverc currently is using 220220713 jammy ISO; Lubuntu & calamares currently... usually dailies for me esp. given a release is coming up (4-Aug-2022) | 08:31 | |
| smallville7123 | like, how would one go about uploading a package to my PPA without being given access to modify the PPA itself | 08:31 |
| smallville7123 | (eg they could wipe everything in the PPA itself or change the account for the PPA or whatever | 08:32 |
| guiverc | smallville7123, https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/PPA maybe helpful | 08:32 |
| alkisg | smallville7123: what's the difference of "deleting everything" from "uploading empty packages over everything, thus indirectly deleting everything"? | 08:33 |
| alkisg | I don't think it's practical to impose such limits. You should trust your uploaders. | 08:34 |
| alkisg | (or create another system for them to submit the packages, and then automate the upload-to-ppa procedure) | 08:36 |
| smallville7123 | alkisg: to me, it would be equivilant to giving an uploader full access to a package repository just to allow then to upload a package to it | 08:36 |
| smallville7123 | which is BAD | 08:36 |
| alkisg | Yes, a repository is pretty much a collection of packages, so it they have upload access, they have full access | 08:37 |
| smallville7123 | yea | 08:38 |
| Unit193 | (Technically you can also restrict who can download if you run your own.) | 08:38 |
| smallville7123 | Unit193: but the main issue is safely submitting packages to it | 08:38 |
| Unit193 | Gist of it "That's not how PPAs work" | 08:39 |
| alkisg | You can accept packages with any method, ftp, emails, whatever, run your own scripts to verify their integrity, and then run your automated "upload-to-my-ppa" script; you don't have to use the launchpad web UI for access | 08:43 |
| goulashsoup | my Ubuntu desktop was installed (from Desktop ISO `ubuntu-20.04.4-desktop-amd64.iso`) with `ubiquity 20.04.15.19`, i would like to look at the source code: In general where do i find the sources or even the repository? | 08:45 |
| alkisg | https://code.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity => browse the code, view git history etc | 08:48 |
| alkisg | And publishing history at: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+publishinghistory | 08:48 |
| hub | I am trying to automate a 22.04 Desktop Installation, is preseeding the correct way to do so or is cloudinit the way to go also for Desktops? | 08:51 |
| goulashsoup | alkisg Does `ubiquity 20.04.15.19` itself include the desktop installer, or is ubiquity a dependency OF the desktop installer? | 08:51 |
| guiverc | goulashsoup, ubiquity is the desktop installer used with focal/20.04.. You can install source on your box using `apt source ubiquity` too (it'll grab all source used for the package) ; do note your need SRC enabled to get source; default is binaries only are enabled | 08:53 |
| alkisg | apt source won't give him the "iso version" though, but the latest one; it might or might not be the same | 08:56 |
| guiverc | true; latest for the release you're using; which would be what you'll see if using 20.04.5 which is the next focal release, may not be 20.04.2 ISO version | 08:57 |
| smallville7123_ | how do i fix this? | 08:58 |
| smallville7123_ | $ pacman repo-add | 08:58 |
| smallville7123_ | X Error of failed request: BadName (named color or font does not exist) | 08:58 |
| smallville7123_ | Major opcode of failed request: 45 (X_OpenFont) | 08:58 |
| guiverc | smallville7123_, what OS are you using? pacman is not a Ubuntu command | 08:59 |
| * guiverc adds the `pacman` is described as "pacman - Chase Monsters in a Labyrinth" | 09:00 | |
| smallville7123_ | Ubuntu | 09:02 |
| smallville7123_ | i tried `sudo apt install xfonts-100dpi xfonts-75dpi` but i still get the error | 09:03 |
| hub | For a 22.04 Desktop Installation, is preseeding the correct way to go or did cloudinit fully replace preseeding and is also available for desktops? A pointer to some documentation would be awesome, I cant seem to find a lot about this topic. (Or should i just go with an oldschool disk image becaus autoinstall is broken?) | 09:09 |
| jeronimo | I've got a question about installing a wine app (https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=33276 ), the #wine seems empty, did they move? | 09:24 |
| smallville7123_ | how do i fix this? | 09:36 |
| smallville7123_ | Cannot connect to the Docker daemon at unix:///var/run/docker.sock. Is the docker daemon running? | 09:36 |
| smallville7123_ | as i also get this | 09:36 |
| smallville7123_ | invoke-rc.d: unknown initscript, /etc/init.d/docker not found. | 09:36 |
| hub | smallville, did you try to run docker related commands without having docker installed? | 09:38 |
| smallville7123_ | i did $ sudo apt install docker && docker pull archlinux | 09:38 |
| smallville7123_ | docker.io * | 09:38 |
| hub | you probably have to run the docker command as root to be able to connect to its daemon | 09:40 |
| smallville7123_ | i tried that but i still get the error | 09:41 |
| smallville7123_ | also E: Unable to locate package docker-desktop | 09:41 |
| smallville7123_ | for https://docs.docker.com/desktop/install/ubuntu/ | 09:41 |
| hub | that means there is no such package installed | 09:42 |
| hub | when you follow the docker documentation you usually add another package source for docker, at that point you are not installing the docker version published by ubuntu but the upstream one | 09:42 |
| smallville7123_ | ok | 09:43 |
| hub | there is #docker too on libera | 09:43 |
| Maik | jeronimo: try #winehq | 09:46 |
| jeronimo | Maik: thanks! | 09:55 |
| strk | I'm out of space with snaps, how can I move the snap space ? | 10:20 |
| Maik | strk: snap space? | 10:41 |
| Maik | or do you mean swap | 10:41 |
| silv3r_m00n2 | hi there | 12:23 |
| silv3r_m00n2 | my laptop battery drains while asleep, can somebody help, https://askubuntu.com/questions/1418663/kubuntu-22-04-looses-all-battery-power-over-night-even-while-in-sleep | 12:24 |
| wez | silv3r_m00n2: Plug it in? | 12:26 |
| silv3r_m00n2 | wez: it looses around 100% power while sleeping in one night, around 8 hours, that is not right | 12:27 |
| wez | How old is your laptop? | 12:27 |
| wez | Actualy, how old is the battery pacl? | 12:27 |
| wez | Batteries have a warranty of about 6 months usually | 12:28 |
| silv3r_m00n2 | wez this is around 1 year old laptop, and battery is going good, i am using the laptop on battery today and the backup is turning out to be around 7+ hours for my work pattern | 12:28 |
| silv3r_m00n2 | this does not happen on windows 10 the other os on this laptop | 12:29 |
| tomreyn | silv3r_m00n2: your theory about the keyboard drawing this power should be easy to test - just retry without the keyboard connected and compare results. | 12:38 |
| tomreyn | silv3r_m00n2: i agree that this sound, based on the information you provide, like a regression in Kubuntu 22.04 LTS compared to what you were running previously - probably Kubuntu 20.04 LTS? | 12:39 |
| tomreyn | apart from that, when it comes to issues which can also be related to that, i generally recommend making sure you have a recent bios | 12:41 |
| tomreyn | silv3r_m00n2: you can also configure your laptop to enter suspend when it has not been used for a certain while (which is configurable), maybe this would be a better option. | 12:44 |
| InPhase | silv3r_m00n2: That's not a particularly unusual battery lifespan for a laptop, depending on what's running. | 12:46 |
| tomreyn | not your hardware, but the guide is rather generic https://luisartola.com/solving-the-framework-laptop-battery-drain/ | 12:48 |
| silv3r_m00n2 | tomreyn: so now we can have swap in a file ? sudo swapon /swapfile ? | 12:54 |
| silv3r_m00n2 | no need to separate partition / | 12:54 |
| silv3r_m00n2 | ? | 12:54 |
| EriC^^ | silv3r_m00n2: yes, it's by default that way now | 12:56 |
| tomreyn | since 18.04, i think | 12:58 |
| tomreyn | maybe 16.04 | 12:58 |
| tomreyn | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BionicBeaver/ReleaseNotes#Other_base_system_changes_since_16.04_LTS | 12:59 |
| BluesKaj | Hi all | 13:29 |
| WeeBey | When I used a Mac, I used encrypted DMGs as a folder for personal docs. Is there an equivalent that is as easy? | 13:35 |
| MintPrower | Help, I just updated my ubuntu 22.04 server and now I can't get ssh working. where do I find the logs? | 13:36 |
| WeeBey | in /var/logs | 13:36 |
| WeeBey | (log singular) | 13:36 |
| MintPrower | ^ thanks | 13:36 |
| MintPrower | Alright, I'm still stuck. So I upgraded my Ubuntu 22.04 server (apt update and upgrade) after it was complete, I rebooted and now a few things don't work anymore | 13:51 |
| MintPrower | ssh server is stuck at inactive (dead) | 13:51 |
| MintPrower | tab complete doesn't work anymore | 13:51 |
| MintPrower | and on boot it spends a while looking for disks (by uuid) that i've never had attached to the system | 13:51 |
| MintPrower | any advice? | 13:51 |
| jeronimo | I'm using ubuntu server with maas. my dhcp server stopped working. any help is appriciated | 13:53 |
| lotuspsychje | jeronimo MintPrower you guys might wanna try the #ubuntu-server channel | 13:56 |
| MintPrower | lotuspsychje: Thanks :D | 13:57 |
| jeronimo | lotuspsychje: great suggestion, thanks ! | 14:06 |
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| deadrom | hi all | 15:02 |
| lotuspsychje | wb deadrom | 15:03 |
| deadrom | 18.04 LTS server, ntp won't update, says "no suitable server found" for whatever I throw at ntpdate -u. internal, by IP, by name, external, no cigar. 123 is open, 53 is open | 15:03 |
| deadrom | can even ping the internal NTP but won't get time from it | 15:04 |
| deadrom | stopped ntpd to have the socket free, no effect either. bit clueless where to look | 15:05 |
| ravage | can you verify that the ntp server is working from another system? | 15:07 |
| deadrom | ravage, yes a simple win10 pc on the same switch talks to one internal ntp fine | 15:08 |
| ravage | whenever it had a problem with ntp it was server's or firewall's fault. never the client itself | 15:10 |
| deadrom | can't even talk to the ubuntu ntp pool | 15:10 |
| deadrom | no success either after temp. disabling ufw | 15:12 |
| deadrom | how can I test if any traffic is being routed to ntp:123 at all? | 15:12 |
| ravage | sudo ntpdate -qv 0.ubuntu.pool.ntp.org | 15:14 |
| ravage | if you want to see the actual packages you can use ngrep for example | 15:15 |
| deadrom | https://pastebin.com/TbrbJkHX | 15:16 |
| ravage | sudo ntpdate -B 0.ubuntu.pool.ntp.org | 15:18 |
| ravage | but this may actually be a firewall problem | 15:20 |
| deadrom | sounds like it | 15:21 |
| henistein | I bought a bluetooth dongle, but I can't enable bluetooth on ubuntu | 15:23 |
| ravage | henistein, is your dongle compatible with Ubuntu? did you check that before you bought it? | 15:25 |
| henistein | well that is a good point | 15:25 |
| ravage | lsusb|nc termbin.com 9999 | 15:26 |
| ravage | it will output a url. paste that here | 15:27 |
| henistein | https://termbin.com/hl88 | 15:30 |
| ravage | which version of Ubuntu do you use? | 15:32 |
| henistein | Ubuntu 22.04 LTS | 15:32 |
| ravage | that dongle seems to be problematic as there are a lot of fakes out there | 15:33 |
| ravage | under which model name did you buy it? | 15:33 |
| lotuspsychje | and are you using blueman or not henistein | 15:34 |
| ogra | ... https://askubuntu.com/a/1222944 | 15:34 |
| ravage | if you can return that dongle do it and get something else | 15:36 |
| lotuspsychje | bug #1892814 also related | 15:37 |
| ubottu | Bug 1892814 in linux (Ubuntu) "[0a12:0001 Cambridge Silicon Radio] Bluetooth has multiple connectivity issues" [Undecided, Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1892814 | 15:37 |
| henistein | ravage I don't know | 15:38 |
| wantom | what do people do on irc??? just talk? | 15:38 |
| lotuspsychje | this is the ubuntu support channel wantom | 15:39 |
| lotuspsychje | !chat | wantom | 15:39 |
| ubottu | wantom: #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, for all Ubuntu-related support questions. Please register with NickServ (see /msg ubottu !register) and use #ubuntu-offtopic for other topics (though our !guidelines apply there too). Thanks! | 15:39 |
| wantom | cool | 15:39 |
| henistein | lotuspsychje yes I am but I got this: https://termbin.com/21ti | 15:39 |
| ravage | i usually write. talking to my microphone did not work well here really | 15:40 |
| wantom | Client: HexChat 2.16.0 • OS: Ubuntu "jammy" 22.04 • CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-4570R CPU @ 2.70GHz (2.93GHz) • Memory: Physical: 7.5 GiB Total (5.4 GiB Free) Swap: 2.0 GiB Total (2.0 GiB Free) • Storage: 70.1 GB / 960.3 GB (890.2 GB Free) • VGA: 8086:0d22 @ Intel Corporation Crystal Well DRAM Controller • Uptime: 2h 14m 52s | 15:40 |
| ravage | wantom, please dont test your client here. use #test | 15:40 |
| lotuspsychje | henistein: looks like a flaky chipset indeed as stated above | 15:43 |
| brick | hi | 15:43 |
| henistein | alright | 15:43 |
| lotuspsychje | henistein: just for the feedback of that dongle, could you pastebin the output after journalctl -f plug out and plug back in your dongle? | 15:44 |
| brick | was there a naming convention followed for the commands of ubuntu? | 15:45 |
| lotuspsychje | henistein: another idea would be testing out on higher kernel, im reading 5.17 got it working for some users | 15:51 |
| CarlFK | Settings, Bluetooth says "off, turn on..." The menu with wifi and bt says "Off, Turn off, BT settings" .... how do I turn it on? | 15:51 |
| jhutchins | brick: There are several. | 15:53 |
| jhutchins | brick: Some are old Unix conventions - typically very short commands like ls and rm. | 15:53 |
| jhutchins | brick: Most of them are just the name of the program or utility that executes. | 15:53 |
| jhutchins | brick: Was there a particular command or set of commands you were curious about? | 15:54 |
| brick | yes jhutchins i want to know about move to mc, copy to cp | 15:55 |
| brick | *mv | 15:55 |
| ogra | brick, these commands have always been called like this in unix style systems ... "move" or "copy" are DOS inventions (which is way younger than UNIX) | 16:00 |
| brick | ok ogra | 16:02 |
| ordenadordelacas | hola | 16:03 |
| lotuspsychje | !es | ordenadordelacas | 16:03 |
| ubottu | ordenadordelacas: En la mayoría de los canales de Ubuntu, se habla sólo en inglés. Si busca ayuda en español entre al canal #ubuntu-es; escriba " /join #ubuntu-es " (sin comillas) y presione intro. | 16:03 |
| strk | Maik: I mean space on the partition where "snap" puts things | 16:07 |
| jasparq | hello, can anyone help me figure out why my file manager is showing hidden files? Ctrl-H doesn't toggle anything. The show hidden files checkbox is unchecked. I've tried to reinstall nautilus. I have installed nemo and the same there. I'm on 2204. | 16:18 |
| jhutchins | brick: The two-letter commands came from an era when there was a practical limit to the number of characters that could be entered. Think 80 column punch cards. | 16:19 |
| jhutchins | n paper. | 16:20 |
| jhutchins | brick: Pre video terminal, when even interactive sessions printed the system responses on paper | 16:20 |
| jhutchins | brick: There was a somewhat humorous convention that removed all vowels from words to save characters. | 16:21 |
| rfm | don't forget they were using 110 baud teletypes, so every character took 100ms to type or print... | 16:21 |
| jhutchins | 56/58 baud. | 16:21 |
| jhutchins | IBM Selectric terminals. | 16:21 |
| rfm | don't think anybody used those for UNIX... | 16:22 |
| oerheks | jasparq, weird issue, what desktop is this? | 16:24 |
| jasparq | oerheks gnome | 16:25 |
| tomreyn | jasparq: what does this say? echo "$(dconf read /org/gtk/settings/file-chooser/show-hidden) | $(dconf read /org/gtk/settings/show-hidden) | $(gsettings get org.gnome.nautilus.preferences show-hidden-files)" | 16:26 |
| tomreyn | jasparq: make that: echo "$(dconf read /org/gtk/settings/file-chooser/show-hidden) | $(dconf read /org/gtk/settings/show-hidden) | $(gsettings get org.gnome.nautilus.preferences show-hidden-files) | $(gsettings get org.gtk.Settings.FileChooser show-hidden)" | 16:27 |
| jasparq | tomreyn returns false | | true | false | 16:33 |
| tomreyn | jasparq: so change this preference: gsettings set org.gnome.nautilus.preferences show-hidden-files false | 16:34 |
| oerheks | org.gtk.settings is the good setting, org.gnome is old? | 16:35 |
| tomreyn | i really wouldn't know | 16:35 |
| tomreyn | also it's possible that jasparq is running old gnome | 16:36 |
| oerheks | from an old post, 2016 The key from org > gnome > nautilus > preferences : show-hidden-files is ignored as it is deprecated. https://askubuntu.com/questions/258642/hidden-files-always-being-shown | 16:36 |
| oerheks | but you covered them both, so it is weird toggle ctrl h does nothing | 16:38 |
| yasser | how can i go back to windown after booting ubuntu from a usb | 16:40 |
| jasparq | tomreyn changing preference didn't work. also im running gnome 42.2 | 16:40 |
| yasser | pls answer quick | 16:40 |
| lotuspsychje | !patience | yasser | 16:40 |
| ubottu | yasser: Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly; if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. While you wait, try searching https://help.ubuntu.com or https://ubuntuforums.org or https://askubuntu.com/ | 16:40 |
| oerheks | answer quick ... boot again without usb? | 16:40 |
| oerheks | or insert windows usb? | 16:41 |
| tomreyn | jasparq: that's all i could think of, i'm afraid | 16:41 |
| yasser | will it work ? ive read that i will have to change the bios settings in order to go back to windows | 16:41 |
| oerheks | yasser, maybe, you will need to point to the hdd again | 16:42 |
| yasser | ok i will try | 16:42 |
| jack | is it possiple to go back to windows after booting ubuntu from a usb | 16:44 |
| oerheks | no? | 16:45 |
| arraybolt3[m] | Yes, booting the USB doesn't change your drive unless you purposefully install Ubuntu or edit files on the drive. | 16:45 |
| tomreyn | jack: why are you essentially asking the same question as 5 minutes ago, using a different nickname? | 16:46 |
| jack | so ijust unplug the usb and restart? | 16:46 |
| deego | tomreyn: they prob. got disconnected. | 16:46 |
| arraybolt3[m] | Yes. | 16:46 |
| arraybolt3[m] | jack: Yes. | 16:46 |
| arraybolt3[m] | (My "yes" went ambiguous, oops.) | 16:47 |
| jack | and if i want to use the usb again to transfer files | 16:47 |
| deego | Is it safe to just unplug a usb, or do you have to eject/unmount first? | 16:47 |
| arraybolt3[m] | deego: Eject it first. | 16:47 |
| deego | ic | 16:48 |
| jack | and if i want to use the usb again to transfer files arraybolt3[m] | 16:49 |
| arraybolt3[m] | jack: Then you just reformat it. | 16:49 |
| oerheks | wait with insert usb after fully boot windows | 16:49 |
| jack | it says i can only get back 2gb while the full storage is 16?!! | 16:50 |
| oerheks | why would windows say that? | 16:51 |
| arraybolt3[m] | jack: Oh, that problem. OK, there's a fix for that. | 16:51 |
| jasparq | nautilus should hide hidden files on reboot by default right? hidden files still show up after i've restarted :( | 16:51 |
| arraybolt3[m] | jack: Bah, this is easy to fix in Ubuntu, lemme see how to fix it in Windows... | 16:52 |
| arraybolt3[m] | jack: What tool did you use to make the USB drive into an Ubuntu drive? | 16:52 |
| yasser | balena etcher | 16:52 |
| arraybolt3[m] | OK, the trick is, you need to blank out the start of the drive before you can format it right. | 16:53 |
| tomreyn | deego: apparently not | 16:53 |
| jack | how | 16:53 |
| oerheks | jasparq, but does toggle ctrl + h work? | 16:53 |
| arraybolt3[m] | Check to see if Etcher has such a feature, in the mean time, I'm going to upload a blank 4 MB file to Google Drive, you can just flash that to the USB and it should fix the problem. | 16:53 |
| jasparq | tomreyn I just realized that hidden files are not showing from my local machine. but the SMB shared folders I've mounted from my NAS show hidden files? | 16:53 |
| deego | tomreyn: i guess not | 16:53 |
| oerheks | jasparq, the setting in the menu is static for next use of nautilus | 16:53 |
| jack | ok | 16:53 |
| jasparq | oerheks no ctrl h doesnt do anything. I just realized my local files are hidden. but the files from my mounted NAS drives are showing hidden files. is there a separate setting for this? | 16:54 |
| tomreyn | jasparq: this may be a mount option | 16:54 |
| arraybolt3[m] | jack: Download this and flash it to the drive with Etcher: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1UYLTaU_rGjduPoUBieXPHypJQZU5k_Uo/view?usp=sharing | 16:54 |
| jack | arraybolt3[m]i think i fixed it | 16:55 |
| jack | rufus can reformat it | 16:55 |
| jack | i will try rufus first | 16:55 |
| oerheks | jasparq, SMB shared folders .. hide dot files = yes # in smb.conf on the server side | 16:55 |
| arraybolt3[m] | Nice. | 16:55 |
| oerheks | https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/557906/samba-do-not-show-hidden-dot-files | 16:55 |
| arraybolt3[m] | jack: 👍️ | 16:55 |
| arraybolt3[m] | (I'll keep the blank image file around just in case it comes in handy.) | 16:56 |
| jack | yess i did ittt | 16:56 |
| jack | thanks man | 16:56 |
| arraybolt3[m] | No problem, glad to help, congrats on fixing it! | 16:56 |
| jack | i was really scared for a second there, you saved me its was my brothers usb lol | 16:57 |
| tomreyn | jasparq: when you run "mount", what is listed for this NAS file share? should be one line only. (keep in mind anything starting with a slash acts as a command here) | 16:57 |
| jasparq | tomreyn in my fstab file i have "[address to folder] [path to mount destination] cifs credentials=[path to credentials file], guest, uid=1000,iocharset=utf8 0 0" and then i just run mount -a | 17:00 |
| tomreyn | jasparq: that's not the output of the "mount" command, but i guess your mount options isn't why the files are showing then | 17:04 |
| jasparq | @tomreyn my mistake. the output is (rw,relatime,vers=3.1.1,cache=strict,username=username,uid=1000,noforceuid,gid=0,noforcegid,addr=192.168.1.76,file_mode=0755,dir_mode=0755,iocharset=utf8,soft,nounix,serverino,mapposix,rsize=4194304,wsize=4194304,bsize=1048576,echo_interval=60,actimeo=1) | 17:06 |
| tomreyn | jasparq: how do you tell that the files which are showing should be hidden? have you tried oerheks' suggestion? | 17:10 |
| jasparq | tomreyn the files are the temp ownership files for excel/word documents which should definitely be hidden | 17:11 |
| tomreyn | jasparq: do their file names start with a dot? | 17:12 |
| jasparq | tomreyn they start with tilda$ | 17:14 |
| jasparq | tomreyn when i ls in the terminal they are hidden as well. | 17:14 |
| tomreyn | jasparq: a file named ~somefile does show for me in gnome-terminal when i run 'ls' on the bash shell | 17:19 |
| oerheks | GID thingy, i guis.. | 17:21 |
| tomreyn | and they show in nautilus, too, as expected. only file system objects starting with a dot are expected to be hidden by nautilus | 17:21 |
| oerheks | guess* | 17:21 |
| oerheks | i am not good at that smb mount options line.. | 17:22 |
| jasparq | tomreyn ah you're right, im just blind. I'm new to unix. In windows these files are hidden. | 17:22 |
| jhutchins | jasparq: Linux is not Windows. | 17:23 |
| jasparq | jhutchins as i'm realizing | 17:23 |
| Guest43 | hi! | 18:30 |
| Guest43 | Hi! | 18:35 |
| oerheks | hello Guest43 | 18:35 |
| Guest43 | Is UBUNTU the issuehere | 18:36 |
| oerheks | yes, this is the technical suport channel | 18:36 |
| Guest43 | never used this before... | 18:37 |
| Guest43 | so donot know how to proceed | 18:37 |
| tomreyn | you never used IRC before, or Ubuntu? | 18:37 |
| jhutchins | Guest43: if you have a problem or question regarding ubuntu, just ask. | 18:37 |
| Guest43 | Kindly clarify , | 18:37 |
| jhutchins | Guest43: What did you try to do? How did you try to do it? What did you expect to happen? What happened instead? | 18:38 |
| Guest43 | Bought DELL with Windows 11 installed on it recently | 18:38 |
| arraybolt3[m] | Guest43: If something blows up on your Ubuntu system, you can come here and say, "Hey, XYZ just went wrong, how do I fix it?" | 18:38 |
| Guest43 | Tried everithing possible but ubuntu 20.04 LTS installed fully on usb always messed upwith pc boot loader in a way I had toformat it three times already | 18:40 |
| Guest43 | My pc is a DELL vostro desktop | 18:40 |
| jhutchins | Guest43: What are you doing to prepare the USB drive? | 18:40 |
| Guest43 | Rufus | 18:41 |
| jhutchins | What happens when you try to boot to usb? | 18:41 |
| Guest43 | choose uEFI and GPT | 18:41 |
| oerheks | disabled fast boot? | 18:41 |
| oerheks | see the uefi wiki | 18:42 |
| oerheks | !uefi | 18:42 |
| ubottu | UEFI is a specification that defines a software interface between an operating system and platform firmware. It is meant as a replacement for the BIOS. For information on how to set up and install Ubuntu and its derivatives on UEFI machines please read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI | 18:42 |
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| Guest43 | Hello jhutchins, are you still there? | 18:51 |
| tomreyn | Guest43: it's common to just type what you want to say or ask, and see whether the other party reacts or not | 18:52 |
| sarnold | that way, when he sees it in twelve hours, he can answer.. | 18:53 |
| Guest43 | twelve hours???? | 18:54 |
| arraybolt3[m] | Guest43: Did you disable fast boot in Windows? | 18:54 |
| arraybolt3[m] | !uefi | 18:54 |
| ubottu | UEFI is a specification that defines a software interface between an operating system and platform firmware. It is meant as a replacement for the BIOS. For information on how to set up and install Ubuntu and its derivatives on UEFI machines please read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI | 18:54 |
| Guest43 | yes | 18:54 |
| oerheks | did you check for latest bios update for your Dell Vostro? | 18:55 |
| Guest43 | I disabled fast boot but it seemsomething serious happened with booat loader | 18:55 |
| Guest43 | yes for the two questions | 18:55 |
| arraybolt3[m] | OK. And by "installed fully", you mean you're booting the Ubuntu installer and then installing it to a USB drive rather than to the hard drive? | 18:56 |
| Guest43 | I also do not know if default updates for UBUNTU messes with windows 11 | 18:57 |
| Guest43 | arraybolt3 answer:Yes! | 18:57 |
| arraybolt3[m] | Guest43: OK. So what's ending up failing? Are you unable to boot into Windows even if you take the USB out? Or are you unable to boot into Windows with the drive still inserted? | 18:58 |
| Guest43 | I have no idea after reading hundreds of explanation on how properly choose the partition in UBUNTU | 18:59 |
| Guest43 | manually during the first install.doInedd a boot efi partition? | 18:59 |
| arraybolt3[m] | Choose the partition, like how to choose the correct drive to install Ubuntu on to? | 18:59 |
| arraybolt3[m] | Guest43: Don't use manual partitioning. Just select the "Erase Disk and install Ubuntu" option (or something that sounds similar), then select the USB drive that you want to install Ubuntu on. Just make sure you don't accidentally select your main hard drive, and if you're not given an opportunity to select the disk you want to install to, bail out (unplug the computer, hold down the power button, etc.) rather than just continuing on. | 19:00 |
| Guest43 | no ubuntu partition table manualduring install.I do not know if this may be the cause Windows 11 OS does not accept | 19:01 |
| Guest43 | the usb | 19:01 |
| arraybolt3[m] | I'm not sure I understand you. Maybe you can send screenshots of the problem? | 19:02 |
| Guest43 | otherwise it works fine 100% doer a while and then windows wont boot anymore! | 19:02 |
| arraybolt3[m] | Guest43: And you can't boot into Windows even if you unplug the Ubuntu USB drive first? | 19:03 |
| Guest43 | I did not manually partitioned it last time I installed it ,but the same issue happened againand again | 19:03 |
| arraybolt3[m] | (I ask because I might know what's going wrong if that's the case.) | 19:03 |
| Guest43 | bios wont find (the path///) for Windows to boot (internalHD) | 19:04 |
| relipse | Is it possible to set up a wildcard cert that works for *.webdev.bar | 19:04 |
| arraybolt3[m] | Guest43: Could you please tell me if you're able to boot into Windows if you unplug the Ubuntu USB drive first? Knowing whether or not this works will help me debug the problem. | 19:04 |
| Guest43 | No, I amnot able. | 19:04 |
| arraybolt3[m] | Guest43: OK. Try unplugging the Ubuntu USB drive, then, during early bootup, press Esc (or whatever key your system tells you to press to get to a boot menu). See if you can get into the UEFI boot menu and select your Windows partition from there. | 19:04 |
| Guest43 | I always unplug the device before booting again. | 19:05 |
| arraybolt3[m] | Guest43: Actually, the key to get into the boot menu on your system is probably F12. | 19:05 |
| Guest43 | yes | 19:05 |
| Guest43 | is F12 | 19:05 |
| Guest43 | but F 12 donot respond also | 19:06 |
| Guest43 | most of the timeit takes severalminutes to open bios set up | 19:06 |
| tomreyn | relipse: i don't see why not. | 19:06 |
| arraybolt3[m] | Like, selecting Windows in the boot menu doesn't boot into Windows? | 19:06 |
| Guest43 | and when cone press Enter black screen appears | 19:07 |
| relipse | tomreyn: I tried setting everything up and it is giving me a NET::ERR_CERT_COMMON_NAME_INVALID | 19:07 |
| Guest43 | No arraybolt,it does not | 19:07 |
| Guest43 | frozen screen | 19:07 |
| Guest43 | formated pc three times already with fabric defaults internalDELL oS recovery | 19:08 |
| Guest43 | sameproblem | 19:08 |
| arraybolt3[m] | Hmm, then... I'm guessing you may have accidentally overwritten the Windows bootloader. Can you boot up the Ubuntu USB, then run "lsblk | nc termbin.com 9999" in a terminal and send the link it spits out? | 19:08 |
| Guest43 | I guess I have overwritten it | 19:09 |
| tomreyn | relipse: NET::ERR_CERT_COMMON_NAME_INVALID is a chromium/chrome error message which just states that the certificate presented by a server you accessed and the domain name in the url you used to access it do not match. | 19:10 |
| arraybolt3[m] | Guest43: There's a tool called Boot-Repair that may be able to fix the whole mess: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair | 19:11 |
| con-fused | Do you know what the Ctrl+Fn+R shortcut does (or how to figure it out)? I can see the whole screen blinking but nothing happens (apparently it is not taking a screenshot, unless it is saving it in some weird location) | 19:11 |
| Guest43 | arraybolt | 19:12 |
| arraybolt3[m] | Yes? | 19:13 |
| relipse | tomreyn: how then do I set it up to work | 19:13 |
| tomreyn | con-fused: function key combinations are hardware specific | 19:13 |
| Guest43 | unfortunately | 19:13 |
| Guest43 | i am using windows right | 19:14 |
| Guest43 | now | 19:14 |
| Guest43 | can use ubuntu terminal | 19:14 |
| Guest43 | cannot | 19:14 |
| arraybolt3[m] | Guest43: Use Rufus to put the live ISO of Boot-Repair on a USB. | 19:15 |
| tomreyn | relipse: there are lots of guides on doing CSR's, and on signing them with your own CA. and i don't remember myself, would have to look it up, too. | 19:15 |
| Guest43 | is this link you just send me to be open in ubuntu and do I need to run commands in terminalto installl the software? | 19:15 |
| tomreyn | relipse: maybe try #openssl if you need help with openssl (assuming that's what you're using) | 19:16 |
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| Guest43 | is this link you just send me to be open in ubuntu and do I need to run commands in terminalto installl the software? | 19:17 |
| Guest43 | Use Rufus to put the live ISO of Boot-Repair on a USB.? | 19:17 |
| Guest43 | CSR's,??? | 19:18 |
| tomreyn | Guest43: i was not talking to you there, i was talking to someone named "relipse" about "CSR" | 19:20 |
| oerheks | the boot repair wiki is clear, see 1st option | 19:20 |
| con-fused | Ok, figured it out - it does a screenshot but stores it in the clipboard! | 19:21 |
| jhutchins | Guest43: Did you check the CRC of the iso you downloaded? | 19:21 |
| zelo | i have noticed today, after about 2 months of being offline, there are a number of packages 'being held back' from upgrade, they are all related to nvidia. any advice? | 19:21 |
| jhutchins | zelo: What do you have that was installed from a third-party repo? Do you have a third party repo enabled? | 19:21 |
| Guest43 | jhutchins 19:21:12 | 19:21 |
| Guest43 | Guest43: Did you check the CRC of the iso you downloaded? | 19:21 |
| Guest43 | know anything about it | 19:22 |
| zelo | jhutchins, i completely do not remember. i did have to do some things to get display working, but then i believe a kernel upgraded sorted me out. i think i have mesa | 19:22 |
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| ravage | Guest43, why bother with installing Ubuntu on USB if you reinstalled your full system already? get a Windows ISO. install it from that. leave some space for Ubuntu and then install it on the remaining space. that should just work | 19:23 |
| jhutchins | zeroes: What kind of packages are held back? Pastebin? | 19:24 |
| zelo | hmm dont know what caused that either lol | 19:24 |
| Guest43 | ravage | 19:24 |
| tomreyn | zelo: this would show us which apt sources you have configured: sudo grep -hEv '^([ ]*#.*)?$' /etc/apt/sources.list{,.d/*.list} 2>&1 | nc termbin.com 9999 | 19:24 |
| Guest43 | Dua lboot of two different OSs on same HD or SSD not advisable I read | 19:25 |
| ravage | you can read a lot of things on the internet | 19:25 |
| zelo | https://termbin.com/ittl | 19:25 |
| sarnold | a lot of people use dual boot without issue | 19:26 |
| oerheks | Guest43, sure it is, that is why we offer Grub bootloader. | 19:26 |
| zelo | i've had no issues so far w dual boot | 19:26 |
| tomreyn | zelo: this is very standard. where did you see the message you reported? | 19:26 |
| oerheks | did you check for latest bios update for your Dell Vostro? | 19:26 |
| sarnold | I've always hated setting it up so I haven't done it myself in ~25 years; I found it way easier to unplug one hard drive or the other back in those days.. | 19:26 |
| zelo | while doing apt-get upgrade | 19:26 |
| zelo | i have the list saved if u want to see the packages | 19:27 |
| ravage | my PC dual boots just fine :) | 19:27 |
| tomreyn | zelo: it's always good to share output of the command which gave you an unexpected output - on a pastebin-like service, such as termbin.com. | 19:27 |
| jhutchins | Last time I dual-booted it was a different distro, two different releases. | 19:28 |
| zelo | holy !@# pasteall is gone!?? | 19:28 |
| jhutchins | !paste | 19:28 |
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| deego | <zelo> i've had no issues so far w dual boot <<=== never had windoze siletly overwrite everything? because it assumes it's the one true operating system | 19:28 |
| zelo | nope | 19:28 |
| ravage | since UEFI windows kind of behaves here | 19:28 |
| jhutchins | ravage: You may be thinking of Guest43 | 19:29 |
| ravage | im not thinking too much about him really. i dont know him | 19:29 |
| deego | google shows me windoze doing this to people as late as 2021 https://www.reddit.com/r/linuxmasterrace/comments/nt7wdy/windows_just_deleted_my_linux_partition/ | 19:30 |
| zelo | sorry, took me a sec to recover from pasteall not being there..lol | 19:30 |
| zelo | https://pastebin.com/CL1J9sgM | 19:30 |
| Guest43 | deego is rightI think! | 19:30 |
| deego | or this https://askubuntu.com/questions/1312264/linux-partitions-deleted-after-windows-10-update-version-1909 | 19:31 |
| ravage | deego, if you want to discuss that further try #ubuntu-discuss or the offtopic channel. that not a support topic really | 19:31 |
| Guest43 | I donot want to do Dual boot? | 19:33 |
| ravage | then dont | 19:33 |
| Guest43 | I just want to use linux as a bootable device. I like linux | 19:33 |
| tomreyn | zelo: this would gather information on the state of apt and pending upgrades: sudo apt-get -y update &>> /tmp/aptlog && sudo apt-get upgrade --simulate --yes &>> /tmp/aptlog && sudo apt-get full-upgrade --simulate --yes &>> /tmp/aptlog; cat /tmp/aptlog | nc termbin.com 9999 | 19:34 |
| zelo_ | ok..well..i seem to have some system instabilities happening. i just froze and had to do a hard reset..over the couple months i was offline i did some "exploring" so i think ill be better off formatting and reinstalling | 19:34 |
| Guest43 | I just want to know why my Windows 7 inspiron boots both OS with no messing with BIOS | 19:34 |
| ravage | reinstall is always an option :) | 19:34 |
| matsaman | Guest43: probably because GRUB is sorting it out | 19:34 |
| zelo_ | i also planned on wiping out windows too. so i midas well do the entire system | 19:34 |
| Guest43 | and windows 11 in new pc do not | 19:34 |
| matsaman | well, dual boot is definitely not a setup most people have a good justification for | 19:35 |
| matsaman | virtualization is quite advanced these days, and computers are quite up to the task | 19:35 |
| zelo_ | im wondering though...all my usb stuff disconnects, then system freezes, on linux and windows ;() | 19:35 |
| matsaman | if you do dual boot, I can't recommend two separate storage devices enough, really simplifies things | 19:35 |
| arraybolt3[m] | matsaman: That's pretty much what they're doing. | 19:36 |
| Guest43 | Never found a plain answer toquestion.Is it better to do a mual partition while installing Ubuntu or not | 19:36 |
| matsaman | coooo | 19:36 |
| Guest43 | Is updates a issue??? | 19:36 |
| tomreyn | zelo_: this sounds like a #hardware issue (there's a channel for this, too) | 19:36 |
| matsaman | Guest43: mual partition? Manual? | 19:36 |
| sarnold | zelo_: how's your power supply? power supplies that can't supply enough power for the full load of the computer quite often lead to that kind of behaviour -- or even weirder things | 19:36 |
| Guest43 | in Ubuntu LTSor are they ok | 19:36 |
| zelo_ | tomreyn, *tahts what im worreid about | 19:36 |
| matsaman | Guest43: not sure what you mean by 'mual' | 19:37 |
| Guest43 | manual partitioning | 19:37 |
| arraybolt3[m] | Guest43: With Boot-Repair, you download the ISO from the link they give in the wiki article, then you write it to a USB drive with Rufus. | 19:37 |
| matsaman | Guest43: I don't think it'll matter. With manual you'll be slightly more familiar with what was setup is all | 19:37 |
| Guest43 | but what option in Rufus? | 19:38 |
| matsaman | Guest43: and would have more control | 19:38 |
| Guest43 | Rufus has a lot of options now | 19:38 |
| matsaman | Guest43: the purpose of rufus, IIRC, is to put images onto usb sticks | 19:38 |
| matsaman | so defaults should mostly suffice | 19:38 |
| arraybolt3[m] | Guest43: I'd try the DD mode first. | 19:38 |
| zelo_ | ^rufus is what im gonna be using in a few | 19:38 |
| oerheks | arraybolt3[m], but he is on windows.. | 19:38 |
| zelo_ | just gathering together windows stuff rn then off to wipe | 19:38 |
| arraybolt3[m] | oerheks: So Rufus, while it is a Windows program, has a mode called "DD mode". I know it sounds like the Linux dd command, but it's not. | 19:39 |
| tomreyn | oerheks: i think rufus has a "dd mode" | 19:39 |
| oerheks | oh oke | 19:39 |
| Guest43 | arraybolt3[m] 19:37:25 | 19:39 |
| Guest43 | Guest43: With Boot-Repair, you download the ISO from the link they give in the wiki article, then you write it to a USB drive with Rufus. | 19:39 |
| Guest43 | and then? | 19:39 |
| Guest43 | Do I use it on Windows ? | 19:40 |
| Guest43 | the software? | 19:40 |
| arraybolt3 | Guest43: Then boot from it like you'd boot from an Ubuntu installation drive. | 19:40 |
| Guest43 | and the next steps?KIndly tellmebecause I do not know how to use it;. | 19:41 |
| zelo_ | Guest43, rufus is a program, you can use in windows to setup a bootable usb drive for installing linux and other os's. you run the program, "burn" the os to the drive/disk then boot from that | 19:41 |
| tomreyn | Guest43: the easiest tool i know of to set up bootable ubuntu (and many other OSes) usb storages (sticks, disks) with from an ISO file is balena etcher, available for all major operating systems. | 19:41 |
| Guest43 | Ok I know Rufus but boot repair as a installation media. | 19:42 |
| arraybolt3[m] | Guest43: Click the "Create a BootInfo summary", and share the results here. | 19:42 |
| zelo_ | thanks for the help people, im off to operate | 19:42 |
| Guest43 | aaRRAYBOLT3 | 19:50 |
| Guest43 | I amusing windows now | 19:50 |
| Guest43 | What are the steps to post that summary . Do I download the boot repair and open it in Windows? | 19:52 |
| Guest43 | To make a usb will take time | 19:52 |
| almostdvs | !paste | 19:58 |
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| adac | Guys I have the following printer HP Color Laser 179fwg. It is found in the printer search and I add it. Then it searches for drivers and it finishes. However it does not print. I think the driver is not correctly installed. How can I fix this? | 20:01 |
| adac | It says: Model Generic Text-Only Printer | 20:02 |
| Guest43 | =L | 20:05 |
| Guest43 | hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh | 20:06 |
| Guest43 | Do someone knows if default updates in Linux messes with grub loader? | 20:07 |
| sarnold | Guest43: can you rephrase your question? | 20:07 |
| matsaman | Guest43: in Ubuntu, updates do occasionally automatically reconfigure grub | 20:07 |
| cbreak | they shoulnd't break anything | 20:08 |
| Guest43 | and thats is the reason main system OS in pc wont boot anymore? | 20:08 |
| tigefa | how to to fix this http://logpaste.com/J52Hp7kr | 20:08 |
| matsaman | Guest43: eh, it'll probably be easier to just fix your system than figure out what happened | 20:09 |
| Guest43 | just because I booted Linux few times all windows OS Boot was unabletowork | 20:09 |
| tomreyn | tigefa: fix the syntax error near line 30 | 20:09 |
| tigefa | i uncomment this #includedir /etc/sudoers.d in /etc/sudoers now i can't edit it | 20:09 |
| matsaman | Guest43: what happens when you try to boot Windows? | 20:09 |
| Guest43 | Fix how? | 20:09 |
| Guest43 | DELL frozen logo | 20:10 |
| Guest43 | wont boot | 20:10 |
| matsaman | but you can still select Linux and boot it? | 20:10 |
| Guest43 | wont open option choosen through F12 key | 20:10 |
| Guest43 | black screen | 20:10 |
| matsaman | so neither OS boots right now? | 20:10 |
| Guest43 | cant acess Bios set up, cant acess diagnostics and windows boot manager wont boot if chosen | 20:11 |
| whiskey76 | adac, is hplip installed? It's for HP machines. | 20:11 |
| Guest43 | could open windows 11 but after several turn on -off of power button | 20:12 |
| luna__ | hplip is for hp printers | 20:12 |
| tomreyn | tigefa: https://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/fixsudo | 20:12 |
| luna__ | and hp scanners | 20:12 |
| whiskey76 | ^ | 20:12 |
| jhutchins | Guest43: This is not a common/known failure mode for installing linux in a dual boot config. | 20:13 |
| Guest43 | not dual boot boot fromUbuntu USB installationmedia | 20:13 |
| matsaman | Guest43: it's unlikely anybody will be able to help you if you don't answer direct questions | 20:13 |
| jhutchins | Guest43: It's been hard to follow what you're actually doing, but it doesn't sound like you did a standard dual-boot install. | 20:14 |
| Guest43 | Question is direct it seems booting fromanother OS usb OS would break Windows BIOS | 20:15 |
| jhutchins | Guest43: It does not. | 20:15 |
| jhutchins | Guest43: Booting does not write anything to the BIOS, it doesn't change anything. Niether does installing linux. | 20:15 |
| Guest43 | I did not installdualboot | 20:15 |
| matsaman | Guest43: you seem to also be focusing on the past | 20:16 |
| tigefa | tomreyn: I feel traumatized by recovery mode, is there another way? | 20:16 |
| matsaman | if you want it fixed, you'll have to answer some questions | 20:16 |
| matsaman | or you can read a ton on your own | 20:16 |
| matsaman | tigefa: live OS? | 20:16 |
| matsaman | you can IRC from the live OS and come right back here | 20:16 |
| tomreyn | tigefa: if you locked yourself out, there's only recovery mode and chroot mount recovery from another Ubuntu (or compatible Linux) installation | 20:17 |
| Guest43 | matsaman: matsaman A bootable device is a kind of storage hardware, such as hard drive, USB flash drive floppy disk drive, DVD, CD-ROM drive, which contains necessary boot files and drivers for loading the operating system. BIOS is a program in computers used to load the operating system and execute the boot operation. The “no bootable device | 20:22 |
| Guest43 | found” error is actually reported by BIOS. It means BIOS cannot find or locate the boot device or the boot files on the boot device are incorrect. | 20:22 |
| matsaman | Guest43: hey, let someone know if you want help fixing something | 20:22 |
| arraybolt3[m] | tigefa: You can boot from a live ISO, open a terminal, mount the main partition, bind-mount vital directories, then chroot into the main disk and recover from there. But it's way harder than using recovery mode. | 20:23 |
| Guest43 | The “no bootable device found” error is actually reported by BIOS. It means BIOS cannot find or locate the boot device or the boot files on the boot device are incorrect. | 20:24 |
| Guest43 | https://www.diskpart.com/articles/how-to-fix-no-bootable-device-7201.html | 20:25 |
| matsaman | Guest43: no offense, but you are just rambling here | 20:25 |
| Guest43 | how come the boot files on Windows became corrupted? THat is the question? | 20:25 |
| Guest43 | after I booted fromanother OS (usb)media.Thats a very direct and plain doubt I haver | 20:26 |
| tomreyn | Guest43: the first thing you should probably do is to diable 'fast boot' in windows + bios, because this could cause the symptoms reported - windows not being able to boot after booting into something else. | 20:26 |
| arraybolt3[m] | Guest43: That is a mystery. This shouldn't happen, and why it is happening, I have no idea. This is supposed to just work. All I can think is that somehow the bootloader installation is corrupting Windows's bootloader, but why, I don't know. Sounds like a bug to me. | 20:26 |
| arraybolt3[m] | tomreyn: They did that. | 20:27 |
| tomreyn | okay, then i agree about the mistery | 20:27 |
| tomreyn | mystery even | 20:27 |
| arraybolt3[m] | Actually, wait. Guest43: There's also a "fast boot" option in the BIOS, as well as in Windows. Did you turn off **both** fast boot options? | 20:27 |
| Guest43 | Several times. Tried | 20:28 |
| Guest43 | !!!!! | 20:28 |
| tomreyn | i guess a bios upgrade own't hurt either. | 20:28 |
| tomreyn | *won't | 20:29 |
| arraybolt3[m] | Yeah, then this is almost certainly a bug. | 20:29 |
| Guest43 | thats not the issue. | 20:29 |
| Guest43 | Bios upgrade | 20:29 |
| arraybolt3[m] | You already updated your BIOS? | 20:29 |
| Guest43 | got even worse | 20:29 |
| * arraybolt3[m] grumbles at Dell | 20:29 | |
| Guest43 | Yes |I did upgrade the bios and if I am here is because I paid a lot to upgrade my DELL support and they no nothing but the same the Basic Support did! | 20:30 |
| Guest43 | THey only tell me to format again and again and the issue sticks | 20:31 |
| arraybolt3[m] | Guest43: Just so I'm sure I understand properly, you are using Ubuntu 22.04? This will be helpful in trying to reproduce the bug. | 20:31 |
| arraybolt3[m] | (That way we can reproduce it and get it fixed.) | 20:31 |
| Guest43 | in the usb bootable media? Yes. | 20:31 |
| Guest43 | Os internalHD Windows 11 | 20:32 |
| arraybolt3[m] | Anyone here able to spin up a Windows 11 VM and then try to install Ubuntu 22.04 on a separate virtual USB drive? I could do it myself, but I don't own Windows 11 to do it with. | 20:32 |
| tomreyn | if this was a generic issue, we'd have heard of it before | 20:32 |
| Guest43 | that is the problem | 20:33 |
| tomreyn | ? | 20:33 |
| Guest43 | pc is brand new and I have no support fromDell | 20:33 |
| Guest43 | They said I messed with pc . My own fault and they wont help | 20:33 |
| tomreyn | did you specify which model it is? | 20:33 |
| arraybolt3[m] | tomreyn: Ubuntu 22.04's only been around for a short time, and installing to an external USB isn't exactly the most common method of installation. Plus Windows 11 has downright weird system requirements that might be throwing an additional wrench in the works. | 20:34 |
| Guest43 | just because I booted a few times a linux usb removable media | 20:34 |
| arraybolt3[m] | So to my mind it seems like this might be a generic issue. | 20:34 |
| Guest43 | maybe | 20:34 |
| tomreyn | arraybolt3[m]: i doubt it, but i am not planning to stopanyone from trying, for sure. | 20:35 |
| Guest43 | Windows 11 has downright weird system requirements that might be throwing an additional wrench in the works | 20:35 |
| Guest43 | that's correct | 20:35 |
| tomreyn | my bet's on something uefi firmware specific to this model. maybe some 'smart' firmware add-on like boot loader protection | 20:36 |
| Guest43 | Ok guys I thank you a lot for kind help given! | 20:36 |
| tomreyn | you're welcome | 20:37 |
| Guest43 | Thank you! | 20:37 |
| EriC^^ | Guest43: can you pastebin 'sudo parted -ls' ? | 20:37 |
| EriC^^ | Guest43: it's likely solvable | 20:38 |
| Guest43 | ERic | 20:40 |
| Guest43 | Disk /dev/sda: 1000GB | 20:41 |
| Guest43 | Sector size (logical/physical): 512B/4096B | 20:41 |
| Guest43 | Partition Table: gpt | 20:41 |
| Guest43 | Disk Flags: | 20:41 |
| Guest43 | Number Start End Size File system Name Flags | 20:41 |
| Guest43 | 1 1049kB 211MB 210MB fat32 EFI system partition boot, esp | 20:41 |
| EriC^^ | Guest43: use "sudo parted -ls | nc termbin.com 9999" | 20:41 |
| arraybolt3[m] | Oh no. | 20:41 |
| EriC^^ | paste the link it gives you here after the bot unquiets you in a bit | 20:41 |
| arraybolt3[m] | Guest43: You'll probably not be able to have any messages come through for about 60 seconds for flooding protection. Use EriC^^'s command to share the data with us, sorry for the inconvenience. | 20:42 |
| EriC^^ | also please can you summarize the issue in a few lines, my chat's backlog doesnt go far enough back to the start | 20:42 |
| arraybolt3 | EriC^^: They installed Ubuntu 22.04 directly onto an external flash drive, and even though they didn't intentionally touch their Windows 11 internal hard drive, it still rendered Windows 11 unbootable for reasons we can't figure out. | 20:43 |
| arraybolt3 | Guest43: Unmuted, sorry about that. | 20:43 |
| EriC^^ | aha | 20:43 |
| cbreak | ah, isn't the ubuntu installer still broken? | 20:43 |
| cbreak | I think it blindly installs grub onto some random hard disk it finds instead of the one selected | 20:43 |
| EriC^^ | arraybolt3: aha thanks | 20:44 |
| arraybolt3[m] | cbreak: ?! Well that would do it. I wonder if Lubuntu would work better then, it uses a different installer. | 20:44 |
| cbreak | that shouldn't break windows, but it's very annoying | 20:44 |
| tomreyn | EriC^^: system is a dell vostro desktop, no model number reported. supposedly, 'bios update made it worse' | 20:44 |
| EriC^^ | thanks tomreyn | 20:44 |
| Guest43 | Vostro 3681 | 20:45 |
| cbreak | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1591352 | 20:45 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1396379 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "installer uses first EFI system partition found even when directed otherwise" [High, Confirmed] [duplicate: 1591352] | 20:45 |
| EriC^^ | Guest43: you're in the ubuntu installation (on the usb) right now? | 20:45 |
| Ox1de | yo tech support - i have a pickle of a problem. - i just got a new laptop, problem is its a google chrome. the google OS is a joke, it only allows browsing and very little else. i choose to us ubuntu, which has a superior Operating System/OS. - the physical shell is good but the google OS soft is a joke - i wanna install ubuntu but i cant open the | 20:45 |
| Ox1de | ubuntu ISO file because chromebook wont open an iso or exe - chrubuntu doesnt work. what do i do? i wanna turn this laptop out of being lame into a proficient computer | 20:45 |
| cbreak | arraybolt3[m]: 6 year old bug at least :/ | 20:45 |
| cbreak | not sure if anyone at canonical still works on the installer | 20:46 |
| arraybolt3[m] | Ox1de: mrchromebox.tech | 20:46 |
| luna__ | cbreak: they are working on a new one | 20:46 |
| arraybolt3[m] | Ox1de: If your laptop is supported, you can convert it into Developer Mode, then flash the firmware using MrChromebox's tool. Then install Ubuntu. Note that this only works on Chromebooks that are specifically marked as being supported, so look through the list of supported models first. | 20:46 |
| cbreak | luna__: I hope they fix root-on-zfs to do proper encryption | 20:47 |
| cbreak | and use zfs boot menu instead of grub | 20:47 |
| arraybolt3[m] | Ox1de: Here's the list of supported devices: https://mrchromebox.tech/#devices | 20:47 |
| tomreyn | Ox1de: return it, if you can, and buy hardware which has a less restrictive firmware (bios), allowing you to boot what you want. | 20:47 |
| cbreak | last time I installed ubuntu, I had to use debootstrap because the installer couldn't handle it properly :( | 20:47 |
| arraybolt3[m] | Ox1de: And here's the tool for flashing the firmware if your device is supported: https://mrchromebox.tech/#fwscript | 20:47 |
| arraybolt3[m] | (I've done this several times with pretty good success. One of my main systems is a Chromebook that I modded in this way.) | 20:48 |
| Guest43 | EriC I am using Windows | 20:49 |
| EriC^^ | Guest43: im confused, how did you just run parted -ls? | 20:49 |
| Ox1de | is it possible to run my ubuntu install iso file? and run a fully functional ubunto overwrite? | 20:49 |
| EriC^^ | Guest43: and isnt windows not booting anymore i thought? | 20:50 |
| Ox1de | thats the glitch chrome is so lame it wont run the iso file | 20:50 |
| cbreak | Ox1de: the iso file is not an installer, it's a device image. You're supposed to boot from it. | 20:50 |
| arraybolt3[m] | Ox1de: ISO files aren't designed to be run. | 20:50 |
| arraybolt3[m] | Ox1de: You're supposed to flash it to a USB drive with a tool like dd. | 20:50 |
| cbreak | you'll need to write the contents of the iso file onto some device, or make it available to the computer to boot off of in some other way | 20:50 |
| Ox1de | well i have a ubuntu.iso file which is a 18.0 | 20:50 |
| arraybolt3[m] | You can probably access that tool if you put your Chromebook into Developer Mode. | 20:50 |
| cbreak | obviously, you need an image suitable for your computer | 20:51 |
| arraybolt3[m] | Ox1de: Oy. Any chance you can get 22.04? I'd recommend Lubuntu for use on a Chromebook. 18.04 goes out of support in something like 9 months. | 20:51 |
| Ox1de | Ok, whats dd? i wonder if the iso file will run if on usb | 20:51 |
| Guest43 | because I lost hours to try to open Bios set up and bios set up wrote to two other entries for Windows Boot Manager out of thhe blue | 20:52 |
| arraybolt3[m] | Ox1de: dd is a tool that can be used to write a file directly to a drive. | 20:52 |
| Ox1de | Lubuntu? sounds good - how do i get it installed on a chrome? | 20:52 |
| arraybolt3[m] | Ox1de: I'll link you to a tutorial. | 20:52 |
| Guest43 | I choosed the correct one and was able to boot windows but after some hours with pc off . unpluged no boot again | 20:52 |
| arraybolt3[m] | Ox1de: OK, that was easier said than done... | 20:53 |
| arraybolt3[m] | Ox1de: First do this: https://mrchromebox.tech/#devmode | 20:53 |
| arraybolt3[m] | Ox1de: Then do this: https://wiki.mrchromebox.tech/Firmware_Write_Protect | 20:53 |
| arraybolt3[m] | Ox1de: Then download Lubuntu 22.04. | 20:53 |
| Guest43 | Eric Guest43: and isnt windows not booting anymore i thought? | 20:53 |
| arraybolt3[m] | Ox1de: Then insert a blank USB drive into your Chromebook, press Ctrl+Alt+T to get a terminal, type "shell" to get a developer mode shell, then type "lsblk" to see the devices in your system. | 20:54 |
| Guest43 | I lost hours to try to open Bios set up and bios set up wrote to two other entries for Windows Boot Manager out of thhe blue | 20:54 |
| EriC^^ | Guest43: ok, type "(sudo efibootmgr -v; sudo lsblk -f; sudo ls -lR /boot/efi) | nc termbin.com 9999" | 20:54 |
| tigefa | arraybolt3[m]: i can't get in recovery mode, Ubuntu 20.04 | 20:54 |
| arraybolt3[m] | Ox1de: OK, the next steps may vary, so I'm gonna stop there, but those are the things to start with. | 20:55 |
| arraybolt3[m] | Ox1de: Before you do any of that, though, make sure your device is on the list of supported devices. | 20:55 |
| tomreyn | EriC^^: fwiw https://ubuntu.com/certified/201912-27605 "Standard images of Ubuntu may not work well, or at all." - but i assume this refers to hardware support. and apparently the default Ubuntu ISO did boot for Guest43. | 20:55 |
| tigefa | tomreyn: ping | 20:56 |
| tomreyn | tigefa: packet dropped. | 20:56 |
| tomreyn | tigefa: do you have a question? | 20:56 |
| Ox1de | Ok, once again the lubuntu-22.04-desktop-amd64.iso - see an ISO file, problem is chrome is so lame it wont open an iso or exe | 20:57 |
| arraybolt3[m] | Ox1de: You're getting the steps out of order. If you're trying to open the .ISO file, you're doing it wrong. | 20:57 |
| EriC^^ | Guest43: ok,type the command above, and paste the link it gives you, it'll upload the contents to a pastebin | 20:57 |
| arraybolt3[m] | Ox1de: You aren't ever supposed to try to run a .ISO file. You're supposed to flash it to a USB drive and boot from it. | 20:57 |
| arraybolt3[m] | Ox1de: And you do that using a tool like dd (or if you have a second computer other than the Chromebook, you can flash the ISO file using BalenaEtcher) | 20:58 |
| tigefa | tomreyn: i can't get in recovery mode, Ubuntu 20.04 | 20:58 |
| Ox1de | what is DD? | 20:59 |
| Guest43 | Eric I am windows now. | 20:59 |
| Guest43 | in windows | 20:59 |
| tomreyn | tigefa: how are you trying? are you booting in uefi or legacy bios mode? | 20:59 |
| Guest43 | cannot paste that command in terminbal] | 20:59 |
| arraybolt3[m] | Ox1de: DD is a program that is usually used to flash an ISO to a USB drive. Like, you'd run "sudo dd if=/path/to/ubuntu.iso of=/dev/myflashdrive bs=4M", and it would write the ISO to the flash drive so you can boot from it. | 21:00 |
| EriC^^ | Guest43: so windows is booting? no problem? | 21:00 |
| arraybolt3[m] | (That's just a sample command, it won't actually work, but it gives you an idea of what the command is like.) | 21:00 |
| EriC^^ | Guest43: or you mean you're using the ubuntu grub to boot windows right now? | 21:00 |
| Guest43 | windows booted after several trials | 21:00 |
| Guest43 | no I am using windows | 21:01 |
| Guest43 | OS | 21:01 |
| EriC^^ | gotcha, i mean if you booted it alone from hdd, or from ubuntu's grub | 21:01 |
| arraybolt3[m] | Guest43: That sounds like a firmware problem. If it eventually was able to boot, that tells me that something it wrong with your hardware, not with Ubuntu. | 21:01 |
| Guest43 | Thats a worry in itself | 21:02 |
| Guest43 | They say it is my fault I have to do a clean format | 21:02 |
| Guest43 | but I already do two | 21:03 |
| Guest43 | did two | 21:03 |
| tigefa | tomreyn: i hold shift key to get in recovery mode but not work, do i ESC key? | 21:03 |
| cbreak | Ox1de: you're not supposed to open iso files | 21:04 |
| Guest43 | Bios is writting lots of entries for windows boot manager I did not put there | 21:04 |
| cbreak | Ox1de: read what arraybolt3[m] and the others wrote | 21:05 |
| EriC^^ | Guest43: it might be some bad uefi entries or something, if worst comes to worst and you're still able to boot ubuntu's install on the usb, you should be able to use its grub menu to boot windows, and also troubleshoot why windows efi file isnt loading | 21:05 |
| EriC^^ | if windows isnt there 'sudo update-grub' should add it to ubuntu's grub | 21:06 |
| Guest43 | grub menu to boot windows. I do not know how to do that | 21:07 |
| Guest43 | grub menu to boot windows. I do not know how to do that | 21:08 |
| tomreyn | tigefa: in bios boot mode, hold shift, in uefi boot mode, hit escape, either once if you know when, or repeatedly (which might put you into the grub> CLI) | 21:08 |
| tomreyn | tigefa: if you don't know which mode you're booting in and can't tell from inspecting the BIOS user interface, you can boot to ubuntu again and run echo -n 'This system booted via: '; [ -d /sys/firmware/efi ] && echo UEFI || echo BIOS | 21:10 |
| tomreyn | tigefa: if you end up on the grub> prompt, type: normal <enter> | 21:11 |
| tomreyn | tigefa: i'm taking a PC break now, but there are others here who know these steps as well. good luck! | 21:12 |
| Guest43 | Thank a lot!!! | 21:12 |
| Guest43 | Thank you! | 21:12 |
| Guest43 | Arraybolt3 Thank you for help given! | 21:13 |
| Ox1de | Ok, i'm trying to install ubuntu18.04 from usb how do i make the thing install on chrome | 21:30 |
| Ox1de | ? | 21:30 |
| Ox1de | Ok, how i boot from the USB? reboot? | 21:34 |
| jhutchins | Ox1de: Your computer should have a boot menu or boot order setting in the start-up menu. | 21:35 |
| jhutchins | Ox1de: When you say "On chrome" - is this a chromebook? A chrome OS? | 21:35 |
| Ox1de | chromebook | 21:36 |
| jhutchins | Ox1de: Maybe this would help: https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/HP/Chromebook%2014 | 21:37 |
| jhutchins | Ox1de: Um, sorry, I've been switching distros today. That might be good background info though. | 21:39 |
| jhutchins | Ox1de: This is more direct: https://ubuntu.com/tutorials/install-ubuntu-on-chromebook#1-overview | 21:40 |
| Ox1de | Ok, how do i load and install ubuntu18.04 - the iso is on USB stick? | 21:45 |
| jhutchins | Ox1de: If you boot to the USB drive, you will get a menu-driven install program. | 21:49 |
| dobbicorp | Ox1de: or rufus, i used to use it | 21:49 |
| jhutchins | Ox1de: See the second link posted above for details. | 21:49 |
| dobbicorp | jhutchins: is rufus still ok? | 21:50 |
| jhutchins | dobbicorp: rufux is for "burning" an iso to a drive I think. | 21:50 |
| jhutchins | !rufus | 21:50 |
| dobbicorp | https://rufus.ie/ | 21:51 |
| jhutchins | dobbicorp: Apparently you must use "dd mode". | 21:51 |
| === Ox1de29 is now known as Ox1de | ||
| jhutchins | It sounded like Ox1de already had the drive ready, but he gone now. | 21:54 |
| Ox1de | I am present | 21:55 |
| jhutchins | Imagine us suggesting he read directions! How rude! | 21:55 |
| jhutchins | Ox1de: Sorry, I thought you ghosted us. | 21:55 |
| jhutchins | Ox1de: So the over-simplified answer is boot to the iso and follow the prompts. | 21:56 |
| leftyfb | Ox1de: why are you using 18.04 as opposed to a release that didn't come out over 4 years ago? | 21:56 |
| jhutchins | Ox1de: Do you have a backup of your Chrome installation? | 21:56 |
| Ox1de | i happened to have an older(18.04) ubuntu iso file from years ago | 21:57 |
| leftyfb | Ox1de: download 22.04 | 21:57 |
| leftyfb | Ox1de: 18.04 will be EOL in less than a year | 21:57 |
| jhutchins | Ox1de: People will be more familiar with the current bugs and regressions. | 21:57 |
| Ox1de | i will get a lubuntu22 if this doesnt work | 21:58 |
| jhutchins | Ox1de: Doesn't hurt to practice. | 21:58 |
| jhutchins | Ox1de: Install process shouldn | 21:58 |
| jhutchins | t take more than about half an hour. | 21:59 |
| Ox1de7 | the chromebook OS is so lame- it only allows browsing, not much else - gotta load ubuntu | 22:02 |
| === Ox1de7 is now known as Ox1de | ||
| amazoniantoad | I'm trying to intercept commands i enter into bash and echo them back out without using "echo". I'm trying to use it using my bashrc profile | 22:09 |
| amazoniantoad | But only with malformed commands | 22:09 |
| amazoniantoad | Can anyone help me? | 22:09 |
| leftyfb | amazoniantoad: huh? | 22:10 |
| leftyfb | amazoniantoad: what's the use case exactly? | 22:11 |
| amazoniantoad | leftyfb: for instance. I'm using https://github.com/shorwood/gptsh but I want to make it to where instead of me typing in the command. I just type in the sentence describing what I'm trying to accomplish | 22:12 |
| amazoniantoad | then it spits out the recommended command | 22:12 |
| jhutchins | amazoniantoad: Sounds like you're trying to invent an assistive AI shell. Good luck. I'm sure it will be quite well receieved. | 22:14 |
| amazoniantoad | jhutchins: is that sarcasm? | 22:14 |
| jhutchins | amazoniantoad: No, not at all. It sounds like a great idea. I would consider incorporating voice command, but only after you get the basic structure working. | 22:14 |
| amazoniantoad | ah | 22:14 |
| amazoniantoad | thanks | 22:15 |
| amazoniantoad | I just need to get this error handling function to work | 22:15 |
| amazoniantoad | do you know anything about it? | 22:15 |
| jhutchins | amazoniantoad: There has been a fairly rudimentary bash extension that would suggest a command as a sort of spell correction, and/or suggest a package to install if a command wasn't available. | 22:16 |
| jhutchins | amazoniantoad: I don't know if that's still in active development or not. | 22:16 |
| leftyfb | amazoniantoad: https://askubuntu.com/a/853136 | 22:16 |
| leftyfb | IMO this is all horrible though :) | 22:18 |
| amazoniantoad | jhutchins: can you try and find it? | 22:19 |
| yasser | i have lubuntu on a usb stick and am wondering how can i locate space for lubuntu from my hard drive?my main os is windows7 | 22:22 |
| yasser | couldnt get support at lubuntu channel so i came here | 22:22 |
| leftyfb | yasser: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCKIQS_6w5E first result on google for "lubuntu dual boot" | 22:23 |
| yasser | ok thanks | 22:23 |
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| yasser | how can i excute jar files as programs | 22:37 |
| leftyfb | yasser: https://itsfoss.com/run-jar-file-ubuntu-linux/ 2nd result on google for "how to execute jar files on linux" | 22:38 |
| yasser | thanks | 22:38 |
| Ox1de | Ok, i'm gonna try xubuntu - i managed to get developer mode | 22:51 |
| niki22 | i have connected a Bluetooth headset to my laptop and disconnect it to use it on my phone,now it says failed to connect and won't connect back to my laptop? | 23:39 |
| Ox1de | any additional info about installing ubuntu on chromebook? | 23:51 |
| leftyfb | Ox1de: https://ubuntu.com/tutorials/install-ubuntu-on-chromebook#1-overview | 23:52 |
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