[04:42] <guiverc> @LeoK[m], just FYI on testing checklist; I've changed some (all!) of my dates as I've discovered a potential flaw my end (chance I wrote a wrong ISO to thumb-drive); thus the marking so I can ensure I re-do them in coming day(s)..  I'll continue filling as normal, but those marked will need to be redone prior to release of 22.04.1  (I'll do it!)
[04:43] <arraybolt3[m]> Speaking of which, did Calamares 3.2.60 ever get SRU'd in? I set myself to receive email updates, but saw no further activity on that end.
[04:44] <arraybolt3[m]> (Still have the testing laptop ready and waiting.)
[04:44] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3[m]: Nope, I mean, we can prep it and just go for it...
[04:44] <arraybolt3[m]> Might fix the timing problem I hit in Calamares that guiverc had to help me with the other day (I think yesterday?).
[04:45] <arraybolt3[m]> Which reminds me, I wanted to write down a documentation post in Discourse on how to run Calamares in shockingly verbose mode to get around some timing glitches.
[04:46]  * arraybolt3[m] finishes up with libfm-qt and then hopefully goes to Discourse
[04:46] <guiverc> I have a jammy.1 zsync in progress so my jammy term is currently busy & don't want another term open (got heaps already) to explore manifest (nor web site sorry arraybolt3[m] 
[04:47] <guiverc> I've noted some 'new candy' hitting this box of late (kinetic), so thanks arraybolt3[m] & tsimonq2 
[04:47] <arraybolt3[m]> guiverc: Sounds like you have my problem with using terminals like pepper LOL
[04:48] <tsimonq2> guiverc: The Debian syncs? :)
[04:49] <guiverc> arraybolt3[m], I just don't want too many balls in the air; I'm not a good juggler... :)
[04:50] <guiverc> `calamares       3.2.41.1-0ubuntu4`  appears in my jammy iso
[04:50] <arraybolt3[m]> LOL my problem is, I'll open a terminal, run a command, then go do something. Then I'll open another terminal, run a command, and do something. Rinse and repeat seven or so times. Then I decide to close some of the spare terminals I have and discover I have a whole pile of leftovers. (Maybe I shouldn't have learned about Ctrl+Alt+T...)
[04:52]  * guiverc does not want to overwite another disk array with a `dd` command cause I was using the wrong box again (ie. didn't read the $PS1 & where I was ssh'd into)  ... i now only handle ISOs in a specific term/tab combination as my new 'rabbits foot'
[04:54] <arraybolt3[m]> <shudder /> Man, that sounds awful. So sorry that happened.
[04:56] <guiverc> doing it once = sh** happens, doing it more than once ... nah I gotta be more careful!  thus my 'rabbits foot'
[04:59] <guiverc> thanks arraybolt3[m] 
[05:12] <arraybolt3[m]> Simon Quigley (Developer): libfm-qt done and ready for review
[05:16] <tsimonq2> ack, I'll review tomorrow
 "LOL my problem is, I'll open a..." <- `Ctrl + Shift + T` for tabs
[05:16] <tsimonq2> You can rename them
[05:16] <tsimonq2> And, in 22.10 by default the tab width autoshrinks for you
[05:17] <tsimonq2> (Given the text)
[05:17] <arraybolt3[m]> I've not noticed that happening in my VM...
[05:17] <arraybolt3[m]> 3 tabs and boom, I can't see one at all.
[05:18] <tsimonq2> Do you have the tabbar turned on?
[05:18] <arraybolt3[m]> (Though my "tabs as pepper" usually happens on my Ubuntu Studio host - I keep a much more clean setup in my VM.)
[05:18] <tsimonq2> Try Preferences
[05:18] <arraybolt3[m]> Simon Quigley (Developer): Dunno, lemme se...
[05:18] <arraybolt3[m]> *see
[05:19] <arraybolt3[m]> I think the tabbar is on - I can see tabs. I usually have two open - one for the local PPA server, one for development.
[05:19] <tsimonq2> I have between 10 and 15 open at any given time
[05:19] <tsimonq2> Sometimes just split panes
[05:20] <tsimonq2> One right now has taskwarrior with a clear + sleep command in one pane, newsboat in another pane, htop in another, and my update script in the last
[05:20] <tsimonq2> It gets fun
[05:20] <arraybolt3[m]> Sounds cool. I usually try to do one or two things at a time, and then just leave a trail of wreakage behind me as tasks are completed.
[05:21] <tsimonq2> I always keep my windows pretty organizede
[05:21] <arraybolt3[m]> (I also don't have the screen space for a cool setup like that, though I probably would do that if I had the space.)
[05:21] <tsimonq2> s/organizede/organized/
[05:21] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3[m]: You don't even need screen space if your terminal font is small enough and your eyeglass prescription is current. ;)
[05:21] <arraybolt3[m]> In the VM, organization is king. On the host? 💥
[05:22] <arraybolt3[m]> LOL good point, but I have to use my desktop from my Chromebook, which has a Full HD screen crammed into a tablet's worth of room, so I have trouble seeing my desktop's screen as it is.
[05:23] <arraybolt3[m]> (Don't get me wrong, on things with HiDPI scaling, it's nice. In Remmina trying to display the whole desktop monitor in one tiny spot? Not so nice.
[05:23] <tsimonq2> Fair enough
[05:23] <tsimonq2> Anyway, I'm tired. I won't say what's going on publicly but I'm a bit of a wreck after today.
[05:24] <tsimonq2> Thanks for continuing to chug along man, we got this :)
[05:24] <arraybolt3[m]> May things go better in both of our lives soon!
[09:52] <arraybolt3[m]> Simon Quigley (Developer): You may have already said something about this, but I'm not sure I remember and Matrix isn't letting me find it. Are we supposed to be getting qtxdg-tools into Debian? Or are we waiting to do that for some reason?
[10:22] <arraybolt3[m]> Simon Quigley (Developer): Almost-certain Ubuntu delta warning on pcmanfm-qt - the Lubuntu Manual patch obviously must stay in Ubuntu, but I'm pretty sure it would be sorely out of place in Debian.
[10:25] <arraybolt3[m]> Simon Quigley (Developer): Also libfm-qt almost certainly has an Ubuntu delta in the patches - the patch "fix-metadata-for-trusting-executables.patch" specifically warns about it if I'm understanding correctly.
[15:11] <arraybolt3[m]> Dan Simmons: Just tried to kick off a mixed-mode UEFI discussion on #ubuntu-discuss:libera.chat, thought you might be interested.
 "Simon Quigley (Developer): You..." <- Should be in already?
 "Simon Quigley (Developer..." <- Agreed
 "Simon Quigley (Developer..." <- Agreed
[16:18] <tsimonq2> Well, with your last point, here's the entire context...... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/03adc5d1f073d332bb19e3e80d6d2a8d06a31adf)
[16:31] <arraybolt3[m]> > <@tsimonq2:linuxdelta.com> Well, with your last point, here's the entire context...... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/ed9092e7bfb0a3545bd317b93aff25eb0ac73e5e)
[16:31] <tsimonq2> I don't care, fullsend it :)
[16:31] <tsimonq2> "Get me in trouble" with who lol
[16:32] <arraybolt3[m]> Okay, will do.
[16:47] <arraybolt3[m]> OK, rebuilding libfm-qt with the last patch to make sure it works.
 "Dan Simmons: Just tried to..." <- I will have to read the log later. I joined here on my phone but I can't see the scrollback. 
[16:52] <arraybolt3[m]> Eh, so far no one's answered, so...
[17:12] <Eickmeyer[m]> arraybolt3: So, there's a big problem with #ubuntu-discuss that us IRC ops talk about. It has deviated significantly from its original intent. It has now become a place where people who don't want to join #ubuntu-offtopic go to be offtopic. I kinda doubt you'll find any real discussion there, sadly.
[17:21] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3: Looks like Andrew strikes again. lxqt-runner, lxqt-powermanagement
[17:42] <tsimonq2> `$ dput ftp-master lxqt-config_1.1.0-2_source.changes`
[17:46] <tsimonq2> `$ dput ftp-master pcmanfm-qt_1.1.0-2_source.changes`
[17:47] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3: For now let's keep the packaging downstream in Ubuntu with separate Debian branches. I'll talk to Andrew to see if he has permissions for that in the Debian LXQt Salsa Team
[17:52] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3: Debian LXQt BoF> Looks like it's being held on the 20th at 3 AM Central. Fun, I know. I'll be there, and I'll probably send something to the mailing list so others can make it too.
[17:53] <tsimonq2> (The middle ping was wrt to xdg-desktop-portal-lxqt)
[17:53] <tsimonq2> https://savvytime.com/converter/kosovo-prizren-to-wi-green-bay
[17:54] <arraybolt3[m]> Simon Quigley (Developer): Sorry about the delay on libfm-qt, about to push.
[17:55] <tsimonq2> I'm getting a strong urge to go to DebConf in India next year...
[17:56] <arraybolt3[m]> Simon Quigley (Developer): Pushed.
[18:02] <arraybolt3[m]> Eickmeyer: Thanks for the heads-up, oh well.
 "Simon Quigley (Developer..." <- Will look in a bit.
[18:08] <arraybolt3[m]> Eickmeyer: Maybe we need an "avoid politics" or something in #ubuntu-offtopic - the reason I don't go there is because the conversations are just crazy. People seem to be civilized in #ubuntu-discuss since they at least kinda try to stay on topic.
 "arraybolt3: Looks like Andrew..." <- Thankfully we were still waiting on those so it's not really any extra work done.
[18:10] <arraybolt3[m]> Simon Quigley (Developer): Oh, the syncpackage lines. I only have one this time, but here it is: `syncpackage -d experimental -f -s arraybolt3 lxqt-themes`
 "Simon Quigley (Developer): Oh..." <- Done
 "Simon Quigley (Developer): Sorry..." <- Looking.
[18:16] <arraybolt3[m]> Next dinstall we should have three I believe.
[18:17] <tsimonq2> #debian-ftp on OFTC has that at all times
[18:17] <tsimonq2> (Again, another one of those channels that you want to stay quiet in but has useful info.)
[18:17] <arraybolt3[m]> The dinstall times?
[18:17] <tsimonq2> (The topic has the dinstall times)
[18:17] <tsimonq2> Yeah
[18:17] <tsimonq2> You can join OFTC from Matrix too, yk :)
[18:17]  * arraybolt3[m] joins debian-ftp on Quassel
[18:17] <arraybolt3[m]> Really? I'm used to the Debian related channels kicking me off for not having a registered nick.
[18:18] <tsimonq2> @oftc-irc:matrix.org <- PM that user with !help and it'll walk you through
[18:18] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3[m]: Perhaps you're trying to connect with libera.chat
[18:18] <arraybolt3[m]> True. I didn't know OFTC was different.
[18:18] <arraybolt3[m]> I actually would like to keep it in Quassel, though, my Matrix instance is getting so messy as it is.
[18:19] <tsimonq2> Yeah. It'll look all the same, just a few extra setup steps.
[18:19] <tsimonq2> As a reminder I'll grab the times for you before I review your package...
[18:19] <arraybolt3[m]> Ah, I got them.
[18:19] <tsimonq2> `dinstall @ 0152,0752,1352,1952 UTC`
[18:19] <tsimonq2> $ date -u
[18:19] <tsimonq2> Fri Jul 15 06:19:32 PM UTC 2022
[18:19] <arraybolt3[m]> Are we still waiting on NEW for those last three packages?
[18:19] <tsimonq2> 18:19 right now... 19:52 is the next run it seems
[18:20] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3[m]: Looks like it, yeah
[18:20] <arraybolt3[m]> OK. Oh, one more thing...
[18:20] <tsimonq2> lxqt-config_1.1.0-2_source.changes ACCEPTED into experimental
[18:20] <tsimonq2> pcmanfm-qt_1.1.0-2_source.changes ACCEPTED into experimental
[18:20] <arraybolt3[m]> xdg-desktop-portal-lxqt is not set up to use GBP correctly yet. There is no pure upstream commit at the base of the history, and the GBP manual has a specific warning about this. I think I need to rebuild the package from scratch. Thoughts?
[18:20] <arraybolt3[m]> Simon Quigley (Developer): ^^
 "arraybolt3: For now let's keep..." <- ^
[18:21] <arraybolt3[m]> Oh, right.
[18:21] <tsimonq2> :)
[18:21] <arraybolt3[m]> OK, then goodbye GBP! WOOT!
[18:22] <tsimonq2> For now... :)
[18:27] <tsimonq2> `$ dput ftp-master libfm-qt_1.1.0-2_source.changes`
[18:44] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3: The only thing I haven't seen is panel, but here is another thing to remember about Debian...
[18:45] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3: You can upload binaries to the archive, not just sources, in Debian only.
[18:45] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3: It just won't migrate to testing anymore.
[18:46] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3: So when uploading to Experimental, I *can* just build the amd64 debs and include that with the upload. That way we can test it immediately without having to wait for binary-NEW
[18:46] <tsimonq2> The user can just grab the new LXQt binaries and that one bin-NEW package's binaries and they'd be rolling
[18:46] <tsimonq2> (Let's just not forget qps because afair that depends on liblxqt...)
[18:47] <tsimonq2> (So installing all of those new packages would certainly uninstall qps in the process.)
[18:47] <arraybolt3[m]> OK, that's handy to know. (I'm proceeding in order, thus why qps is getting lost.)
[18:47] <tsimonq2> Makes sense.
[18:47] <arraybolt3[m]> (Er, not lost, but, you know.)
[18:47] <tsimonq2> So, if you have more things to review, lmk and just specify that it needs to be a source and amd64 upload
[18:47] <tsimonq2> And I'll take care of it
[18:48] <tsimonq2> (Literally it's `sbuild -sd sid-amd64-shm -d experimental` on my end...)
[18:48] <arraybolt3[m]> Out of, well, the want to do faster builds, how much RAM does your system have that's letting you use shm?
[18:48] <tsimonq2> hmm
[18:48]  * tsimonq2 checks
[18:49] <tsimonq2> 16 GB
[18:49] <tsimonq2> 8 core processor
[18:49] <arraybolt3[m]> 16GB is all? Then I should enable it on my VM. I thought I needed 64GB on my host, so I could give 32GB to the VM and that would enable shm builds.
[18:50] <tsimonq2> LMAO I thought you'd say that's a lot
[18:50] <tsimonq2> Yeah that's all I have tbh
[18:51] <arraybolt3[m]> I've got 32GB in my desktop and I get cramped and have to shut down a VM or two because I start to run out of memory :-P 
[19:02] <arraybolt3[m]> Simon Quigley (Developer): 
[19:02] <arraybolt3[m]> Source-only uploads to NEW are not allowed.
[19:02] <arraybolt3[m]> binary:libfm-qt-common is NEW.
[19:09] <tsimonq2> > <@arraybolt3:matrix.org> Simon Quigley (Developer):... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/9b490b3bc110fe3da90ef5342a7206a2db600cda)
[19:09] <arraybolt3[m]> That's what it sounded like to me.
[19:35] <arraybolt3[m]> Simon Quigley (Developer): https://github.com/ArrayBolt3/xdg-desktop-portal-lxqt-packaging/ This is for **Kinetic**, not Backports.
[19:39] <arraybolt3[m]> Also will have syncpackage lines in a few minutes here.
 "Simon Quigley (Developer): https..." <- ack on itr
[19:50] <tsimonq2> > <@arraybolt3:matrix.org> Simon Quigley (Developer): https://github.com/ArrayBolt3/xdg-desktop-portal-lxqt-packaging/ This is for **Kinetic**, not Backports.
[19:50] <tsimonq2>  * ack on it
[20:18] <arraybolt3[m]> Simon Quigley (Developer):... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/806f5ee68507a4a07f72f469eefe514f4172d4bd)
[20:19] <arraybolt3[m]> (Not sure how to handle pcmanfm-qt, though, since it has a delta.)
[20:24] <tsimonq2> You base your changes on the Debian revision
[20:39] <tsimonq2> > <@arraybolt3:matrix.org> Simon Quigley (Developer):... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/352dbd04ea88bba6c1572d9952812075ede8f757)
[20:45] <tsimonq2> `$ dput ftp-master libfm-qt_1.1.0-2_amd64.changes`
 "Simon Quigley (Developer): https..." <- `$ dput ssh-ubuntu xdg-desktop-portal-lxqt_0.2.0-0ubuntu2_source.changes`
[20:48] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3: `lxqt-globalkeys_1.1.0-1_amd64.changes ACCEPTED into experimental, experimental`
[20:48] <tsimonq2> Go time
[20:48] <tsimonq2> gogogogogogogogogogogo :)
[20:50] <tsimonq2> tsimonq2: `[ubuntu/kinetic-proposed] xdg-desktop-portal-lxqt 0.2.0-0ubuntu2 (Accepted)`
[20:51] <arraybolt3> Sorry, I missed the go stuff
[20:51] <arraybolt3> Oh wait, I'm only a minute late.
[20:51] <arraybolt3[m]> OK, back on Matrix.
[20:52] <arraybolt3[m]> Simon Quigley (Developer): By "base your changes on the Debian revision", do you mean that I basically make a "1ubuntu1" version that includes the delta?
[20:52] <tsimonq2> yep
[20:52] <tsimonq2> And at that point I only review the delta
[20:52] <arraybolt3[m]> OK, lemme see if I get this right.
[20:53] <arraybolt3[m]> You already reviewed pcmanfm-qt, right?
[20:53] <tsimonq2> Yes
[20:53] <arraybolt3[m]> Yes, nevermind, just looked at the spreadsheet.
[20:54] <tsimonq2> All good.
[20:54] <tsimonq2> So your revision to Ubuntu would be 1.1.0-2ubuntu1
[20:55] <arraybolt3[m]> Perfect, that makes total sense to me. So just a regular sync with Debian, then throw a delta on top.
[20:55] <tsimonq2> Yep
[20:55] <tsimonq2> The only changelog diff should be the new entry
[20:55] <tsimonq2> Try to keep this diff clean and readable
[20:56] <arraybolt3[m]> Should be easy, it'll be one patch file, one change to the series file, and one extra entry in the changelog.
[20:57] <tsimonq2> `Accepted lxqt-panel 1.1.0-1 (source) into experimental`
[20:57] <tsimonq2> Looks like Andrew got the last part of the stack in...
[20:58] <tsimonq2> guiverc: You should be able to install the LXQt 1.1 stack from Experimental following the next dinstall. Please try at approximately 02:00 UTC on 07/16
[20:59] <tsimonq2> (Between 2 and 3 UTC it should be sorted.)
[20:59] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3[m]: Sounds good.
[21:09] <arraybolt3[m]> Simon Quigley (Developer): Quick question, is it OK to leave salsa-ci.yaml in Debian, or does that have to be part of the Ubuntu delta?
[21:16] <arraybolt3[m]> Simon Quigley (Developer): https://github.com/ArrayBolt3/pcmanfm-qt-packaging-kinetic Synced with Debian, Ubuntu delta applied. Diff is clean (except for a missing salsa-ci.yml in Kinetic, which I purposefully removed as part of the delta).
 "Simon Quigley (Developer): Quick..." <- Yeah I would not bother removing it in the delta
[21:19]  * arraybolt3[m] reverts commit
[21:19] <tsimonq2> Only make the changes you need to make in the delta
[21:19] <arraybolt3[m]> Commit reverted and pushed.
[22:34] <arraybolt3[m]> I just realized you were the one who finished qterminal, not me, and I just had you upload it with me as the sponsor. I am so sorry for that slip-up , I will try to be more careful.
[22:34] <arraybolt3[m]> Simon Quigley (Developer): ^^
[22:35] <arraybolt3[m]> (Er, you upload it as the sponsor for me... you know what I tried to say.)
[22:52] <tsimonq2> You're okay
[23:13] <arraybolt3[m]> Simon Quigley (Developer): Andrew doesn't like that we added back the symbols file. https://salsa.debian.org/lxqt-team/libfm-qt/-/commit/f82c2ccc6cd9a3c0941094221d8cb2273ac9b761#note_323702 Also, there was another problem that I thought he emailed me directly about that I forwarded to you, then discovered it was a GitLab comment.
[23:14] <arraybolt3[m]> https://salsa.debian.org/lxqt-team/libfm-qt/-/commit/92eb0265bda62ec7441a0ce20a8a30fd6b06fa77#note_323701
[23:17] <arraybolt3[m]> That's the other problem - looks like I made a boffo that we both missed.
[23:49] <tsimonq2> I have your back arraybolt3 @arraybolt3:matrix.org - don't even worry about it