[00:00] <ash_worksi> when I run `which bitlbee`, it says: /usr/sbin/bitlbee
[00:00] <ash_worksi> when I run `bitlbee` it says: -bash: /usr/local/sbin/bitlbee: No such file or directory
[00:00] <ash_worksi> why is it (still) looking in /usr/local ?
[00:00] <highrate> guess there's something wrong in their end
[00:00] <sarnold> ash_worksi: hash -r
[00:01] <ash_worksi> sarnold: hm
[00:01] <sarnold> ash_worksi: bash remembers where every executable came from so it can avoid searching the next time
[00:01] <jhutchins> ash_worksi: I would guess that your make uninstall didn't undo all of the changes that  make install made.
[00:01] <ash_worksi> sarnold: you're correct
[00:01] <ash_worksi> have a cookie
[00:01] <jhutchins> ash_worksi: One way to check this is to read the makefile.
[00:02] <sarnold> ash_worksi: this was important thirty years ago when unix systems didn't have negative dentry entries and lookups for "file not found" had to hit a disk every time or something similarly stupid -- and when hard disks were very slow
[00:02] <ash_worksi> thanks sarnold
[00:02] <jhutchins> Really that simple?  Cool.
[00:02] <jhutchins> ash_worksi: So it works now?
[00:03] <sarnold> funny thing, this exact thing is one of my highest-scoring answers on stack overflow ;) https://stackoverflow.com/questions/8935341/npm-wont-run-after-upgrade/8935401#8935401
[00:04] <jhutchins> sarnold: Is there a way to clear the whole cache?
[00:04] <sarnold> jhutchins: hash -r
[00:04] <jhutchins> sarnold: Ah, yes, nothing specified.
[00:05] <jhutchins> sarnold: Sorry, my head is all full of AWS mail trickery.
[00:05] <sarnold> jhutchins: hehe, aws will do that to you :)
[00:08] <ardakc> hi
[00:08] <ardakc> i have some bugs over there
[00:09] <jhutchins> ardakc: What did you try to do?  How did you try to do it?  What did you expect to happen?  What happened instead?
[00:10] <ardakc> jhutchins: i'm selecting yaru-dark theme for legacy-application from gnome-tweaks after i opening ubuntu settings then its selecting yaru theme automaticly
[00:11] <ardakc> jhutchins: i'm using ubuntu 22.10 daily build
[00:11] <jhutchins> ardakc: All I can say is that dark themes generally have lots and lots of problems, they don't smoothly apply to all aspects of desktop ops.
[00:12]  * jhutchins uses xfce and doesn't mess with themes.  One less thing to restore.
[00:14] <ardakc> i selecting yaru-red-dark theme from gnome-tweaks and after i open gnome-settings its selecting yaru-red theme for me
[00:14] <ardakc> i dont like this :/
[00:15] <ardakc> why isn't there a decent linux distribution
[00:16] <sarnold> because you haven't created it yet :)
[00:17] <ardakc> i cant downgrade ubuntu 22.10 to 22.04?
[00:18] <arraybolt3[m]> ardakc: Downgrades are not supported. Also, 22.10 has not yet been released and is still in alpha stages, so bugs are to be expected. You should usually never deploy a development release on a production system.
[00:19] <ardakc> arraybolt3[m]: absolutely you're right.
[00:19] <ardakc> thats my mistake
[00:20] <ardakc> strange why i didn't install ubuntu 22.04 lts
[00:21] <arraybolt3[m]> Well, I get shiny new thing syndrome too. And after having daily-driven a development release in a virtual machine for quite some time, I'd be tempted to try it on my physical hardware too. I guess now we both know why it's not a good idea.
[00:21] <guiverc> ardakc, #ubuntu-next is for kinetic support; this is for released products only  (not testing products)
[00:21] <arraybolt3[m]> (Er, my production hardware - I use the development release on physical hardware, but only for testing)
[00:21]  * arraybolt3[m] immediately joins #ubuntu-next since I forgot that channel existed
[00:56] <ash_worksi> scouring my logs for a convo I had what felt like eons ago
[01:00] <ash_worksi> no wonder I couldn't find it; it was back on Freenode
[01:06] <sarnold> hah
[02:28] <Tahr-user> I am done trying to get official Ubuntu, Debian, or Arch working on this system.  I think I will just stick to using Puppy Linux for Ubuntu compatibility and Debian Dog, also know as Dog Linux, for Debian compatibility.  Others are too heavy.  Thanks for trying to help the other day.
[02:30] <leftyfb> Tahr-user: just know, we can only support official ubuntu here
[02:31] <Tahr-user> Okay, yes, I figured that.  I did see other Ubuntu channels too.
[03:24] <nino_> hey
[03:24] <nino_> anyone here?
[03:24] <arraybolt3[m]> Hey.
[03:25] <arraybolt3[m]> There's usually lots of people here 24/7.
[03:25] <arraybolt3[m]> Anything we can help you with?
[03:29] <nino_> question. can I use ubuntu desktop as a server?
[03:29] <arraybolt3[m]> nino_: Yes, but Ubuntu Server is better suited to that.
[03:30] <arraybolt3[m]> (If you're trying to use your desktop to double as a server, that should work just fine.)
[03:31] <nino_> I'm using ubuntu desktop. and install cockpit so I can access it over lan and installed unifi controller via cockpit. will that be fine?
[03:31] <arraybolt3[m]> I don't know what Unifi controller and cockpit are, but from what I know of running servers like an SSH server on Ubuntu Desktop, it sounds like it will work.
[03:33] <arraybolt3[m]> Yeah, that looks like it will work.
[03:34] <nino_> Im using ubuntu desktop right now headless
[03:34] <arraybolt3[m]> Headless? Like, you're away from the monitor, or you don't have a monitor attached at all?
[03:35] <arraybolt3[m]> If you're using this system as just a server, you'd probably get more performance out of it if you installed Ubuntu Server. If it does double-duty, then using Desktop should be fine. It's really a matter of preference AFAICT (though I have noticed that Ubuntu Server gives you some more control over things like what services to restart when a system update finishes).
[03:36] <nino_> yes, and access the ubuntu desktop via local ip address.
[03:38] <nino_> as of now its working but im not sure if its 100 percent okay. thats why I chatted here
[03:38] <nino_> need some of your advices
[03:38] <arraybolt3[m]> nino_: OK. Are you using the system as a desktop at all?
[03:39] <arraybolt3[m]> Actually, here's something that may help.
[03:39] <arraybolt3[m]> Ubuntu Server and Ubuntu Desktop are the same OS. The only difference is in how they're configured and what software is installed by default.
[03:39] <arraybolt3[m]> So there's no reason that installing server software on Ubuntu Desktop shouldn't work.
[03:40] <arraybolt3[m]> At the same time, you can install a desktop environment on Ubuntu Server and convert it into a desktop system.
[03:40] <arraybolt3[m]> So they're that interchangeable.
[03:41] <arraybolt3[m]> If everything looks like it's working OK, it's working OK, and you're good. If something isn't working right, then try to fix it and holler here for help.
[03:41] <nino_> thanks bro. still new to ubuntu environment.
[03:41] <arraybolt3[m]> The only thing I can think of that could be a problem is that, on a desktop release, updating your system automatically restarts whatever needs it, while on server, it lets you choose what to restart. So you might end up with your server processes getting restarted when you update, but in your use case scenario, that's probably not a problem.
[03:41] <arraybolt3[m]> nino_: Yeah, no problem. Hope you like it!
[03:42] <arraybolt3[m]> But yeah, it's not like Windows and Windows Server where they're two different operating systems. Ubuntu is just one thing. Server, Desktop, and Flavours are all the same OS under the hood.
[03:42] <arraybolt3[m]> They just are tailored for different uses - whichever one is closest to what you need, use it and tweak it to your liking.
[03:42] <nino_> I think I saw a manual update option on the settings menu.
[03:43] <nino_> I kinda like the linux environtment.
[03:44] <nino_> its like most of the process is transparent. you can see what you run
[03:45] <arraybolt3[m]> Agreed.
[06:29] <highrate> best place to let ubuntu developers know about problems?
[06:29] <highrate> bugs, etc
[06:29] <lotuspsychje> highrate: its recommended you state your issue in the support channel first here
[06:29] <highrate> ok
[06:29] <lotuspsychje> highrate: maybe volunteers know an existing bug already
[06:30] <highrate> just a few things, after a fresh 22.04 install, 'apple music' complains about bugs and doesn't work
[06:30] <highrate> mari0 pops up and works but says but 'app not responding' pumps up a lot
[06:30] <highrate> especially when starting
[06:31] <highrate> after that it seemed to work
[06:31] <highrate> those are just 2 so far
[06:31] <highrate> these things need to be reported to be fixed
[06:31] <lotuspsychje> highrate: i assume you are using the apple music snap?
[06:31] <highrate> think so
[06:32] <highrate> i dl'd from 'ubuntu software'
[06:32] <highrate> steam wont play my favorite game, 'subspace continuum'
[06:32] <highrate> :/
[06:32] <lotuspsychje> highrate: this snap is outside the scope of the volunteers here, contact the maintainers git here please: https://github.com/cross-platform/apple-music-for-linux/issues?q=is:issue
[06:33] <lotuspsychje> highrate: other ideas for you is clementine wich syncs nice with apple devices
[06:34] <highrate> k
[06:34] <lotuspsychje> !info clementine
[06:35] <highrate> downloading 'clementine music player' right now
[06:36] <lotuspsychje> highrate: its not really the same as apple music, but its a nice player with apple devices support
[06:43] <highrate> clementine doesn't seem to notice my iphone
[06:46] <lotuspsychje> highrate: did you install the snap or the apt clementine?
[06:48] <lotuspsychje> highrate: clemetine should be able to: Copy music to your iPod, iPhone, MTP or mass-storage USB player. Queue manager
[06:49] <lotuspsychje> highrate: if you install the snap version, you might need to doublecheck permissions in systemsettings
[07:01] <highrate> i looked it up in 'ubuntu software'
[07:01] <lotuspsychje> highrate: in ubuntu software you can check the source of a package comes from 'apt' or 'snap'
[07:15] <de-facto> are there any efforts to fix pulse audio in ubuntu? since many releases audio sliders seem to wildly jiggle around by themselves causing annoying crackling sounds
[07:17] <lotuspsychje> ive seen a few bugs on audio recently de-facto , wich ubuntu release are you experiencing with?
[07:19] <de-facto> every single one since pulse audio
[07:19] <de-facto> now also including 22.04
[07:20] <de-facto> it happens with multiple clients, killing pulseaudio usually resets it for a while... until it ends up in that broken state again
[07:21] <lotuspsychje> de-facto: here's one i saw recently; bug #1981433
[07:21] <de-facto> is there a way to completely disable any volume changing globally?
[07:22] <de-facto> i would prefer the audio level to always stay constant so i can change volume on my amp per hardware instead
[07:23] <de-facto> that bug says "Sound/speakers don't work at all" hmm not sure if that is related
[07:23] <lotuspsychje> de-facto: do you have a bug ID yourself?
[07:24] <de-facto> i have Realtek ALC889A codec
[07:24] <de-facto> nope
[07:25] <lotuspsychje> you might consider to file one de-facto so the developers can do somethign about it
[07:26] <de-facto> but it also happens with HDMI audio etc
[07:26] <lotuspsychje> de-facto: ubuntu-bug linux (from terminal)
[07:26] <de-facto> i think its a bug in pulseaudio that affects all output devices
[07:26] <de-facto> i dont have an account
[07:30] <de-facto> is there a way to disable any volume changes globally?
[07:45] <nwoob> I installed binary and it is in /usr/local/bin
[07:45] <nwoob> I can see it is there
[07:46] <nwoob> and /usr/local/bin is also present in $PATH
[07:46] <nwoob> but when I run command "sbcl" it says command not found
[07:46] <nwoob> when I try to run it with absolute path then error is "no such file or directory"
[07:54] <de-facto> nwoob, is it executable?
[07:56] <de-facto> if not sudo chmod 755 /usr/local/bin/sbcl
[07:57] <de-facto> also try to use tab completion, that way absolute paths get created by reading from the filesystem, it avoids typos
[08:16] <nwoob> de-facto: yes it is executable -rwxr-xr-x
[08:17] <nwoob> I checked about typos, there are none
[08:28] <ravage> nwoob, whats the output of "file /usr/local/bin/sbcl"
[08:28] <ravage> and also where did you get that binary from?
[11:04] <Lucie> https://www.twitch.tv/chaots
[11:12] <ice9> when I close the laptop lid it does nothing and there is no option in the gnome settings, any idea?
[11:18] <lotuspsychje> ice9: gnome-tweaks has a close-lid option
[11:18] <ice9> lotuspsychje, I enabled suspension when closing lid but it does nothing
[11:18] <Maik> ice9: as lotuspsychje said try gnome tweaks
[11:19] <ice9> Maik, I enabled it in gnome-tweaks!
[11:19] <lotuspsychje> ice9: can you leave a journalctl -f open and close lid, pastebin us the error please?
[11:19] <ice9> ok
[11:19] <Maik> ice9: ah, read it wrong, my bad
[11:21] <ice9> lotuspsychje, https://bpa.st/TX3Q
[11:22] <Maik> which ubuntu version do you use?
[11:22] <ice9> Maik, 22.04
[11:22] <Maik> Nvidia GPU?
[11:23] <Maik> or is it AMD or Intel?
[11:23] <ice9> Maik, nvidia
[11:23] <Maik> maybe that is causing issues
[11:23] <lotuspsychje> ice9: can we see your dmesg too please?
[11:25] <ice9> lotuspsychje, https://termbin.com/medd
[11:27] <lotuspsychje> ice9: Lockdown: systemd-logind: hibernation is restricted; see man kernel_lockdown.7
[11:27] <lotuspsychje> ice9: can you try collect the whole dmesg without the hexchat noise
[11:28] <lotuspsychje> the upper text from dmesg is missing
[11:28] <ice9> i have to reboot then
[11:28] <lotuspsychje> sure thing
[13:43] <tcmichals> all, E: Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/q/qtbase-opensource-src/libqt5widgets5_5.15.3%2bdfsg-2ubuntu0.1_amd64.deb  Connection failed [IP: 91.189.91.39 80]
[13:43] <ravage> 91.189.91.39 is reachable here
[13:44] <tcmichals> do you think it is my network?
[13:44] <ravage> is your system online?
[13:44] <tcmichals> yes I can ping yahoo.com I was able to install dkms
[13:44] <ravage> can you ping the IP?
[13:45] <tcmichals> yes, ping 91.189.91.39
[13:45] <tcmichals> PING 91.189.91.39 (91.189.91.39) 56(84) bytes of data.
[13:45] <tcmichals> 64 bytes from 91.189.91.39: icmp_seq=1 ttl=57 time=46.2 ms
[13:45] <ravage> could also be a temporary hickup. did you try again?
[13:45] <tcmichals> all, morning ;)
[13:46] <tcmichals> sudo apt-get -y install libqt5widgets5 --fix-missing
[13:46] <ravage> what happens if you open http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/q/qtbase-opensource-src/libqt5widgets5_5.15.3%2bdfsg-2ubuntu0.1_amd64.deb  in your browser?
[13:46] <ravage> i can download that file
[13:46] <tcmichals> fails
[13:47] <ravage> sarnold, can you ping the wizards of infrastrucure again and ask if there is any connectivity problem? :)
[13:47] <tcmichals> The download starts then times out
[13:48] <tcmichals> seems that all other packages working, libqt5widgets us fails
[13:49] <ravage> does http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/q/qtbase-opensource-src/libqt5widgets5_5.15.3%2bdfsg-2ubuntu0.1_amd64.deb work for you?
[13:50] <ravage> heh it is the same server but with IPv6 it seems :D
[13:50] <tcmichals> no, it starts downloading then falils
[13:51] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[13:51] <ravage> ok.. then one last try:
[13:51] <ravage> http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/q/qtbase-opensource-src/libqt5widgets5_5.15.3%2bdfsg-2ubuntu0.1_amd64.deb
[13:54] <tcmichals> both start downloading then about 3/4 of the file gets downloaded then stops
[13:54] <ravage> that server is on another continent
[13:54] <ravage> so i guess its not the servers fault
[13:56] <tcmichals> I have tried, firefox and wget http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/q/qtbase-opensource-src/libqt5widgets5_5.15.3%2bdfsg-2ubuntu0.1_amd64.deb both get about 75% then stops this is so weird
[13:57] <tcmichals> OK, I guess will ask our IT people see if they are doing something, thank you for the help
[13:57] <ravage> good luck. i hope you find the cause
[13:58] <tcmichals> Yes, same here ;)
[13:58] <ravage> https://turnkeyinternet.net/speed-test/
[13:58] <ravage> you can try some of these files too
[14:06] <xMopx> i moved a ubuntu VM to a different ubuntu-based host. When I booted it back up, the network didn't come up because the interface name changed (ens3 -> ens1). Same mac address and virtual NIC model. Is there a way i can disable this behavior entirely and always have the same name?
[14:07] <ravage> in this case i would just edit the network config file
[14:07] <leftyfb> xMopx: which version of ubuntu?
[14:07] <ravage> the old behavior of using eth* causes more problems than it solves
[14:08] <xMopx> leftyfb: the vm is 18.04
[14:08] <leftyfb> xMopx: https://www.linuxhelp.com/how-to-change-network-interface-name-on-ubuntu
[14:09] <xMopx> i'm surprised it's a boot argument rather than a config file. Thanks, ill try it out
[14:10] <xMopx> that being said, i have many VMs without that option and it appears if I set it I'll get a different anyways
[14:10] <xMopx> different name anyways*
[14:10] <xMopx> which... isnt ideal
[14:55] <ardakc> ubuntu 22.04 is stable?
[14:56] <letterrip> hi, a quick question - on the wiki.ubuntu.com - I'd like to delete the page associated with my user account
[15:00] <letterrip> or alternatively direction on how to edit the page since I don't see an obvious way to do so and it is claimed to be 'immutable'
[15:00] <lotuspsychje> ardakc: 22.04 is LTS but you might wanna await 22.04.1 release in august
[15:01] <jhutchins> letterrip: How did the page get there in the first place?  What's the URL?
[15:02] <letterrip> jhutchins https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ with my username first letter uppercase
[15:02] <letterrip> having a stalker problem
[15:02] <letterrip> it was created 15 years ago
[15:02] <letterrip> probably the user permisions have changed
[15:05] <jhutchins> letterrip: I'm not seeing any contact info for managing the wiki, that's pretty irresponsible.
[15:05] <letterrip> just found a mention to try - #ubuntu-doc
[15:06] <jhutchins> letterrip: I can assure you that the only thing you might find here is someone who knows of a contact method.  You might be able to find something through the "Support" options.
[15:06] <jhutchins> letterrip: Good luck.
[15:08] <letterrip> k
[15:37] <arkanoid> gnome screen sharing works nicely on 22.04, both via rdp and vnc, problem is how to share secondary screen
[15:55] <jchittum> letterrip: do you have an up to date Ubuntu One account? are you able to log in on the page with your launchpad id with Ubuntu One?
[15:55] <letterrip> yes logged in
[15:56] <letterrip> jchittum, yes i've logged in
[15:56] <jchittum> and you can't "edit" or select "delete" in the drop down? hm
[15:58] <letterrip> will check, maybe i overlooked
[15:59] <jchittum> it's very unintuitive. the delete is in the drop down menu in the center of the page
[15:59] <letterrip> delete page is greyed out; don't see 'edit' as an option
[15:59] <jchittum> under more actions
[15:59] <jchittum> HM
[15:59] <letterrip> this is from 15 years ago - so much of the permission logic has likely changed
[16:00] <letterrip> ie when I signed up, pretty sure everyone was given edit permissions by default
[16:01] <_WEZ_> letterrip: nope, facls are still the same
[16:01] <letterrip> hmm
[16:01] <_WEZ_> Even since I learnt them in 2002
[16:01] <letterrip> ok
[16:02] <_WEZ_> setfacl <3
[16:02] <jchittum> there's a launchpad group, ~ubuntu-wiki-editors, it says you need to join
[16:02] <Psil0[m]> Yea interesting
[16:05] <jchittum> madhens: do you think you could help letterrip?
[16:11] <madhens> Hello!
[16:12] <madhens> So If you apply to join the wiki editors group, letterrip I can give you edit access. It's not editable by default anymore as you guessed
[16:14] <madhens> Actually letterrip I went ahead and added you to the group. Log out of the wiki and then back in?
[16:15] <letterrip> ok
[16:25] <madhens> If it won't let you delete the page please let me know
[16:32] <letterrip> madhens - looks like it worked
[16:32] <letterrip> ty
[16:32] <arda_> Hello
[16:35] <_WEZ_> hello
[16:36] <jhutchins> Is mailx still the standard minimal mail client?  Maybe s-mail?
[16:43] <madhens> letterrip so glad to hear that. Let us know if there's anything else we can do
[16:45] <jhutchins> mailx vs s-mail vs mailutils?
[16:46] <BedMan> I've broken my postgresql, now pg_clusterctl fails no matter what I do.  How do I reinstall all it's bits and pieces?
[16:47] <jhutchins> BedMan: We can assume that you don't have any kind of backup?
[16:47] <BedMan> it's a new box
[16:47] <BedMan> so no
[16:48] <BedMan> I could start over and reinstall from fdisk-format-reload, but that takes a while
[16:48] <BedMan> apt remove then apt install didn't fix it
[16:49] <leftyfb> BedMan: remove/purge the postgres packages you installed and then reinstall
[16:49] <jhutchins> BedMan: Without any specific knowledge, -purge postgresql, then install.
[16:49] <leftyfb> BedMan: remove --purge
[16:49] <jhutchins> Isn't there a reinstall command?
[16:49] <BedMan> ahh... I'll try that
[16:49] <leftyfb> jhutchins: that won't purge
[16:49] <jhutchins> leftyfb: not even an option?
[16:49] <leftyfb> jhutchins: I've never tried
[16:50] <jhutchins> BedMan: You definitely want purge, possibly snoop around for missed files.
[16:50] <leftyfb> jhutchins: I'm not as familiar with postgres as I am with mysql, but with mysql, I would purge and then remove the /var/lib/mysql directory
[16:53] <BedMan> I'm also much more familiar with MySQL... it always works right :)
[16:54] <BedMan> hah!  That's done it - remove with the --purge and then reinstall - FTWQ
[16:54] <BedMan> thanks jhutchins & leftyfb :)
[16:54] <BedMan> I'd been googling for an hour and a half
[16:57] <NiKaN> Hello. I have a question. An irc server was tested with a tcp attack. No user could connect to the server.
[16:57] <NiKaN> fail2ban and iptabless are now set
[16:57] <NiKaN> Do you have any other suggestions?
[16:58] <NiKaN> or idea
[16:58] <leftyfb> NiKaN: what is the issue exactly?
[16:59] <NiKaN> protect from tcp attacks
[16:59] <leftyfb> NiKaN: try #security
[16:59] <NiKaN> Is there a setting or plugin for Ubuntu
[16:59] <NiKaN> thanks
[17:13] <funhouse> tomreyn and savage thank you for your help yesterday
[17:15] <tomreyn> funhouse: you're welcome. did you end up resizing the file system? or delete some data?
[17:16] <tomreyn> dpending on how you solved it this time, it may just reoccur in a week or a month
[17:36] <funhouse> tomreyn i did cache clean and set journal to 100M
[17:47] <TheBigK> i have restored an old backup of a laptop with hirsute... i obviously want to upgrade now ... first to 21.10 and then to 22.04... is this easyily possible with do-release-upgrade? it aborts cause it suggests jammy
[17:53] <leftyfb> TheBigK: 21.10 went EOL last week
[17:53] <TheBigK> im aware
[17:53] <leftyfb> TheBigK: I would suggest just doing a fresh install
[17:53] <TheBigK> nah... i replaced the sources list... and do a upgrade that way
[17:53] <goddard> EOL stuff is a real pain
[17:53] <TheBigK> lets see what happens
[17:54] <TheBigK> i have a backup anyways... worht a shot
[17:54] <goddard> ya, but probably just as easy to copy home/config files to new image
[17:54] <TheBigK> nah... since theres a complete dev environment on it and also docker shit...
[17:54] <goddard> would be cool if ubuntu was just setup with an immutable core
[17:54] <TheBigK> i doubt that its as easy
[17:55] <goddard> i use docker
[17:55] <goddard> its all in my home directory
[17:55] <TheBigK> its not even my install. is an install of a dev
[17:55] <goddard> ahh
[17:55] <TheBigK> but shes not that skilled in core linux stuff... she was gone for a year... thats why its outdated
[17:56] <TheBigK> we did backup... its not even same hardware now
[17:56] <goddard> hardware wise that should be a non-issue
[17:56] <goddard> linux does a good job in those situations
[17:56] <TheBigK> i know...
[17:56] <TheBigK> but was confused that do-release-upgrade suggests me jammy...
[17:57] <goddard> LTS to LTS?
[17:57] <TheBigK> nah... its hirsute
[17:57] <TheBigK> no lts
[17:57] <TheBigK> but its gonna be if i succeed
[17:57] <goddard> worse case you can get one of those app copy programs
[17:58] <goddard> forget the name
[17:58] <TheBigK> im confident i gonna get this upgrade to work...
[17:58] <goddard> good luck
[17:58] <TheBigK> i will consider alternatives if im stuck
[17:58] <TheBigK> but i doubt it...
[17:59] <TheBigK> i mean... what does do-release-upgrade of complicate stuff... it does basically the same i did manually... change sources list and run the upgrade... obviously ddoes some checks and stuff...
[17:59] <TheBigK> but is it much more than that?
[17:59] <TheBigK> after it does cleanups...
[17:59] <TheBigK> but thats not hard to do either
[18:00] <goddard> is it a python script?
[18:00] <goddard> maybe you can look at the source
[18:00] <goddard> i never have
[18:00] <TheBigK> me neither :D
[18:00] <TheBigK> im glad that system booted... always tricky from a tar to a running system :D
[18:00] <TheBigK> with efi, cryptsetup and all that shit
[18:01] <TheBigK> but i like the new hardware... thinkpad p15... pretty fast machine
[18:03] <tomreyn> funhouse: cool, hope this works out. 10 gb isn't a lot when you run services other than just sshd or something small.
[18:10] <morhook> zoom is working much better with wayland! good news!
[18:37] <jhutchins> What do you use to monitor web page up/down?  I was thinking of all of the features of Nagios, and it really is overkill for what I need.
[18:40] <leftyfb> jhutchins: pingdom. Though suggesting 3rd party services really are offtopic here
[18:43] <leftyfb> jhutchins: you could also just write a script/service that monitors the port or using something like curl with a 0 exit code
[18:49] <TheBigK> it did work btw... im on jammy now
[18:49] <TheBigK> flawless actually
[18:54] <jhutchins> leftyfb: I'm looking for a native package like nagios that I would run on an ubuntu server, as opposed to a commercial service.
[18:55] <jhutchins> ...and yes, the answer to how to do almost anything is "you could write code to do that". I don't write code.
[19:01] <bloodfart69> I am reinstalling my kernel. My system has luks + lvm. Which kernel is recommended?
[19:03] <leftyfb> bloodfart69: the latest HWE kernel available on your ubuntu release
[19:04] <tomreyn> jhutchins: maybe netdata https://www.netdata.cloud/ https://learn.netdata.cloud/docs/agent/collectors#web
[19:04] <tomreyn> bloodfart69: different nickanme, please, still.
[19:05] <bloodfart69> tomreyn,  oh yeah that's right I forgot
[19:05] <tomreyn> thanks. please remember.
[19:06] <RickRoll> Will do. That said, do I have to manually compile the generic kernel so I can enable luks and lvm?
[19:07] <tomreyn> no
[19:07] <RickRoll> Can I tweak it? I want to add some stuff to it if possible
[19:07] <jhutchins> Interesting how many alternatives to pingdom are offered.  Must be something people don't like about it.
[19:07] <jhutchins> https://github.com/louislam/uptime-kuma looks interesting
[19:08] <leftyfb> RickRoll: what things?
[19:08] <tomreyn> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/BuildYourOwnKernel
[19:09] <RickRoll> tomreyn, yeah I tried that. I tried also building it on my own without running zcat /proc/config.gz > .config because simply it didn't exist
[19:09] <RickRoll> Like I said before, this thing is screwed beyong belief
[19:10] <RickRoll> leftyfb, I want to add binary blobs. enable it so I can have config.gz; makes things easier
[19:10] <leftyfb> RickRoll: huh?
[19:11] <RickRoll> .bin stuff
[19:11] <leftyfb> RickRoll: .bin stuff for what? In the kernel? I don't understand what you are talking about
[19:11] <tomreyn> same
[19:12] <RickRoll> https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/AMDGPU I need POLARIS10 inside the firmware loader
[19:13] <tomreyn> you are referring to amd graphics card firmware, and you want this loaded when?
[19:14] <tomreyn> is there anything that doesn't work for you with default ubuntu kernels?
[19:15] <RickRoll> I somehow was able to get the GRUB loader to work and when I tried booting the initramfs, it complained about logical ubuntu volume not existing
[19:15] <RickRoll> It's there
[19:16] <tomreyn> what is "logical ubuntu volume" and how does this related to amd graphics card firmware?
[19:16] <tomreyn> and what was the exact error message you saw when booting a default ubuntu kernel?
[19:16] <RickRoll> It relates for my system to work correctly. I need and want to have luks + lvm with my proper firmware
[19:17] <tomreyn> luks and lvm do not require firmware
[19:17] <RickRoll> Yeah they don't
[19:17] <tomreyn> what's the hardware you have there?
[19:17] <RickRoll> but for my system to work, I need to make sure the init supports luks + lvm is working correctly
[19:18] <leftyfb> RickRoll: that has nothing to do with your graphics
[19:18] <leftyfb> RickRoll: install Ubuntu 22.04 with LVM/LUKS. What happens when you do this and boot into the OS?
[19:19] <RickRoll> Tried that and I don't like how it sets up my partitions
[19:19] <tomreyn> but it boots fine, unsing a default ubuntu kernel?
[19:20] <tomreyn> and using the firmware which comes with ubuntu?
[19:20] <leftyfb> RickRoll: that has nothing to do with your graphics or kernel or anything else. Setup the partitions the way you want
[19:21] <leftyfb> RickRoll: once you get ubuntu installed with LUKS/LVM and it boots, feel free to come back here if something isn't working correctly
[19:21] <RickRoll> If I were to do it with the normal installation with it encrypting only swap and leaving out everything else, yeah it does work
[19:21] <leftyfb> RickRoll: you can choose how you want it setup
[19:21] <leftyfb> feel free to do so
[19:22] <RickRoll> This is why I am here
[19:22] <RickRoll> I did that
[19:22] <tomreyn> the desktop installer has an option to encrypt everything but /boot
[19:22] <tomreyn> not "only swap"
[19:22] <tomreyn> (in fact there's no option for encrypting just swap)
[19:22] <RickRoll> leftyfb, it doesn't right now as we're completely off topic
[19:22] <leftyfb> RickRoll: ok, so you have Ubuntu 22.04 desktop installed? What isn't working?
[19:23] <bray90820> Not sure if this is the right place for this but I have a VNC server setup with Virtualbox and every time I turn on screen sharing in ubuntu Virtualbox failes to connect remmina says connecting to virtualbox VM and never connects
[19:24] <RickRoll> tomreyn, I did that. I ran crypt setup, created the pass, ran pvcreate, ran lvcreate creating tmp, var_log, swap, and root
[19:24] <RickRoll> Ran the ubuntu installation which I let it format those partitions
[19:25] <RickRoll> So root was installed in /dev/mapper/ubuntu-root /
[19:26] <RickRoll> leftyfb, What won't work is the fact it is complaining about logical volume not working
[19:27] <RickRoll> Or rather it doesn't exist
[19:27] <tomreyn> RickRoll: how about /boot and /boot/efi ?
[19:27] <leftyfb> RickRoll: ok, do you tries setting up LVM/LUKS manually using the live cd/usb and then ran the install afterwards?
[19:28] <leftyfb> s/tries/tried
[19:28] <RickRoll> This is the command I run all the time. "sgrub-install --target=x86_64-efi --efi-directory=/boot --bootloader-id=UBUNTU"
[19:29] <RickRoll> tomreyn, In other words yes it does exist
[19:29] <leftyfb> I don't understand why you're doing all this manually through the command line?
[19:29] <tomreyn> RickRoll: on separate partitions?
[19:29] <RickRoll> Yep
[19:29] <RickRoll> leftyfb, I like to see things visually.
[19:29] <tomreyn> and unencrypted? with a proper file system?
[19:29] <leftyfb> RickRoll: I prefer things to work
[19:30] <RickRoll> leftyfb, I do too lol
[19:30] <tomreyn> you could just do a default installation first, see the things that were setup visually, and then recreate it with the modifications you'd like.
[19:30] <RickRoll> tomreyn, Do you want to see the device tree?
[19:31] <tomreyn> it could be useful at analyzing your "unknown error"
[19:31] <leftyfb> RickRoll: so go through the GUI installer and set i up the way you want
[19:32] <RickRoll> Yes, cause I've done manually installation more than 100 times.
[19:32] <RickRoll> Isn't there a backdoor to the kernel?
[19:32] <tomreyn> of ubuntu?
[19:32] <tomreyn> huh?
[19:33] <RickRoll> For debugging purposes. It's why I want ubuntu
[19:33] <tomreyn> you can debug linux if it fails to boot. this is not ubuntu specific.
[19:33] <cellphonegods> no(nods)
[19:33] <RickRoll> planning on running gdb to debug my archlinux from ubuntu. I wanted to enable the GDB SCRIPTS in the kernel
[19:34] <RickRoll> All my systems work. But I am wanting to learn how to debug kernels
[19:34] <tomreyn> you seem to be jumping between topics, i don't think i can help here.
[19:34] <leftyfb> RickRoll: that's pretty beyond the scope of the help provided by this channel
[19:34] <Guest32> I've read that ubuntu (as well as debian) only uses MD5 hashes to verify package installs and gpg is only used for source files. Is that true?
[19:35] <RickRoll> leftyfb, yes
[19:35] <leftyfb> and as tomreyn pointed out, you seem to be jumping between topics and can't seem to stay on one troubleshooting track
[19:35] <tomreyn> Guest32: no and no
[19:35] <tomreyn> Guest32: would you mind pointing us to the source of this statement?
[19:35] <RickRoll> tomreyn, yes you're right. But I was curious if there was a way to record the data and paste it here when the kernel goes into panic mode
[19:36] <tomreyn> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/KernelDebuggingTricks
[19:37] <Guest32> I don't remember where I found it, but googling about how debian / ubuntu verifies packages got me the impression that gpg is only used for dsc files and otherwise MD5 hashes are used from the deb file. Also a blog post found online stated that apt doesn't use gpg by default.
[19:37] <tomreyn> RickRoll: the fact that i'm right about you jumping topics doesn't solve the underlying issue, though.
[19:39] <RickRoll> tomreyn, I was explaing I have experience with stepping through code and what not. I am hoping to expand my knowledge to debug hang kernels things that are not responding, etc. Which is happening right now
[19:39] <RickRoll> But doesn't mean I am the best XD
[19:40] <leftyfb> RickRoll: good luck
[19:40] <leftyfb> RickRoll: I really think you are digging WAY too deep just to get Ubuntu installed
[19:41] <Guest32> If I download a deb file through apt 'apt-get download foo' does it still verify it or is it only verified when the package gets installed?
[19:41] <leftyfb> RickRoll: if getting ubuntu installed isn't your main goal and you're more interested in just learning about the kernel and kernel debugging, I suggest /join #ubuntu-kernel or #linux
[19:43] <tomreyn> Guest32: you seem to be referring to how apt repositories and getting and verifying software from those works.
[19:44] <tomreyn> Guest32: have a look at http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/jammy-updates/ - you see a Release.gpg and a Release file. The former is a signature on the latter. Both of these files will be retrieved by apt when it looks for updated packages for an installation of the ubuntu 22.04 'jammy' release
[19:44] <RickRoll> leftyfb, It isn't as I can do that no problem. I am going to read the article you sent, and I am going to record if it goes into panic
[19:45] <RickRoll> Thank you both
[19:47] <tomreyn> Guest32: apt will use gpg to verify the signature on the "Release" file. the Release file contains checksums in multiple formats (hash functions), including MD5 and SHA-1, which are nowadays considered weak, but also SHA-256, which is not. apt on 22.04 LTS will use the sha256sum hashes to learn more about which packages are available for this release.
[19:47] <tomreyn> Guest32: ...at the locations provided in the Release file. are you following?
[19:48] <RickRoll> I am going to reboot and boot into ubuntu and see if it works
[19:50] <tomreyn> Guest32: apt-get download foo     does also verify the "foo" package through this cryptographically secure chain, yes.
[19:50] <Guest32> I get what you're saying, and understand (at least I hope) that even if MD5 hashes are used for the file, it won't matter because the gpg signature is used to make sure the MD5 hashes are legitimate.
[19:50] <tomreyn> that's incorrect, MD5 should not be used, it is weak, even for hashing
[19:51] <tomreyn> i mean for checksums / hash collisions
[19:51] <sarnold> hmm I thought apt used them all
[19:51] <jhutchins> Actually, it looks like checking with curl or wget might be just as easy.  Just have to get notification working.
[19:51] <tomreyn> sarnold: you mean it verifies the md5 and sha-1 checksums in addition ot the sha-256 ones?
[19:52] <tomreyn> i don't know this for sure, but it seems like a waste of energy to do so
[19:52] <tomreyn> certainly if it does them all, we can expect that the result will be AND'ed
[19:53] <tomreyn> i.e. if there is one mismatch then the total operation fails
[19:53] <sarnold> tomreyn: yeah, that's my belief, and it does feel silly to me if that's how it work :)
[19:55] <tomreyn> we'll have to send ubuntu to the international climate change court, if so
[22:14] <RickRoll> tomreyn, Got it to work. Was missing linux-headers, needed to update my init using the command and had to create /etc/crypttab
[22:32] <ardakc> hello