[00:33] <ardakc> hi
[00:34] <sarnold> wb
[00:34] <ardakc> what is wb?
[00:35] <K4rMa> welcome back
[00:36] <ardakc> which ubuntu version is most stable?
[00:37] <oerheks> 20.04 LTS or latest 22.04 LTS.
[00:37] <leftyfb>  ardakc we tend to recommend sticking with the latest LTS
[00:39] <ardakc> i tried to install to my friend ubuntu 22.04 lts but it is not so stable that it was not even installed, it even gave an error in the installation. ubi-partman crashed
[00:39] <tortal> Stabile as in - run your servers in LTS
[00:40] <tortal> not stable as in some bug hasn't been fixed but is now in the latest version
[00:40] <leftyfb> ardakc: try installing again with a freshly downloaded iso and usb, if you run into issues, come here and someone might be able to help you
[00:41] <tortal> ardakc: the installations issue seem to be something else than the stability of LTS
[00:42] <tortal> and something that could've been fixed in a later version non-LTS
[00:42] <oerheks> without error details, not much help possible,
[00:42] <leftyfb> tortal: there is no later non-lts version than 22.04
[00:42] <tortal> not that i think that either of those are the problems
[00:42] <tortal> i meant non-LTS
[00:42] <ardakc> leftyfb: there is 20.04.4 lts
[00:42] <leftyfb> either way, nothing is to be done at this point until an installation is attempted
[00:42] <leftyfb> ardakc: there isn't
[00:42] <tortal> oh
[00:43] <ardakc> https://releases.ubuntu.com/20.04/
[00:43] <tortal> sorry, misread
[00:43] <leftyfb> well, there is
[00:43] <leftyfb> but that isn't later than 22.04
[00:44] <RICKEDROLLED> ardakc, There's a bug in the newest ubuntu. The workaround is messing with the kernel-img.conf or something like that
[00:44] <leftyfb> RICKEDROLLED: please don't
[00:44] <leftyfb> ardakc: ignore that
[00:44] <oerheks> !fud
[00:45] <oerheks> without the machine of your friend, how can we help?
[00:45] <ardakc> I wonder if Ventoy created this problem. I don't use ventoy. I write my isos with the gnome disk utility, but since it ubuntu gave an error while installing my nvidia driver while installing, I set the drivers to not install the next time when installing.
[00:46] <oerheks> ' I wonder if Ventoy created this problem. I don't use ventoy' ... good
[00:46] <RICKEDROLLED> Okay my bad, I didn't think I was spreading fud. I did mention there's a workaround and such
[00:46] <oerheks> !usb
[00:47] <ardakc> ubottu: dont you recommend gnome disk utility?
[00:48] <tomreyn> ardakc: ubottu is a channel bot, it won't recommend gnome disk utility, unless someone asks it to
[00:48] <RICKEDROLLED> Personally when I started out awhile back, I used gparted
[00:49] <ardakc> hmmm
[00:49] <RICKEDROLLED> There similar right?
[00:49] <leftyfb> ardakc: what OS are you writing the iso with?
[00:49] <ardakc> ubuntu
[00:49] <RICKEDROLLED> Oh yeah they are lol
[00:49] <leftyfb> ardakc: then use the usb disk creator
[00:49] <leftyfb> sorry "starup disk creator"
[00:50] <ardakc> leftyfb: why not gnome disk utility?
[00:50] <leftyfb> ardakc: because I know the one I recommended works without issue every time
[00:51] <RICKEDROLLED> Oh you're making a live usb. You can dd to create it via command prompt
[00:51] <ardakc> but when I write linux mint iso with gnome disk utility the same way, there are no such problems, why do they happen when installing ubuntu?
[00:51] <oerheks> ardakc, stop trolling the channel, thanks.
[00:51] <leftyfb> ardakc: I can't answer that. But it's the recommended tool. That's why it's built in
[00:52] <ardakc> ok
[00:52] <leftyfb> ardakc: good luck
[00:58] <lexandrop> Hi everyone. At this page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases , in "Future" releases, for "Ubuntu 22.04.1 LTS" it says, that "End of Standard Support" is on April 2032. Is that a typo, or... Shouldn't it say "April 2027" instead?
[00:59] <ardakc> Doesn't look like a typo
[00:59] <sarnold> hah yeah that looks like a mistake
[00:59] <oerheks> 5 year support + 5 years ESM
[00:59] <oerheks> but so you want a 10 y old ubuntu ..
[01:01] <lexandrop> If you check "Current" releases at the top of the page, for 22.04 it says: "End of Standard Support" - April 2027, "End of Life" - April 2032. Basically what @oerheks is saying, yes. But in "Future" it looks like a mistake, because 20.04 has 5 years and 22.04 has 10 years then.
[01:01] <oerheks> 20.04 gives ESM too ..
[01:03] <lexandrop> Yes, I understand. The only question is why did they mention ESM for 22.04 and non-ESM for other versions in "Future" section.
[01:03] <sarnold> mistakes happen :)
[01:04] <lexandrop> haha, I see the change now @sarnold . thanks :)
[01:04] <sarnold> thanks for pointing it out :)
[02:00] <alloy> Hi, I'm trying to install Ubuntu on a USB.  Strange things are happening.  Some sticks work while others don't.  One install works on laptop B but not laptop A...
[02:01] <alloy> Laptop A does boot live USBs fine (many flavours tested) I also have an older install on a SD card that boots through the USB port on it, but my new install on a new USB won't boot, but as I said before it does boot on laptop B
[02:01] <oerheks> sounds like hw issues, like old bios and uefi
[02:01] <oerheks> !uefi
[02:02] <alloy> oerheks, yep sounds like that
[02:02] <oerheks> else state the hw specs, maybe there are known issues
[02:02] <oerheks> or need a bios update
[02:02] <alloy> laptop A is a HP Dragonfly Elite, laptop B is a ThinkPad T480s
[02:02] <alloy> bios is updated :)
[02:05] <sarnold> alloy: I think some HPs had problems with usb 3 devices, eg https://superuser.com/a/1318221/69238
[02:05] <alloy> that's interesting... will try an install on an older usb
[02:06] <sarnold> alloy: depending upon the system .. if it had or has windows on it, maybe windows was doing the "fast reboot" or whatever it, where shutting the system down isn't actually shutting down, it's just suspending
[02:07] <sarnold> alloy: and I think I'm remembering complaints that some HPs didn't have USB in the boot order by default, that'd be another thing to fiddle with in the BIOS settings
[02:07] <alloy> no it has Linux on it only, I just need a portable Linux to do things like dd the nvme drive for redundancy etc
[02:08] <alloy> sarnold, that's the thing, other USBs boot fine, but as per your initial suggestion, they're all USB2 iirc :)
[02:08]  * alloy shakes fist at HP
[02:09]  * sarnold shakes fist at HP too
[02:09] <sarnold> good news on other usbs booting fine though, that's promising
[02:09] <alloy> yeah it's both promising and confounding ;)
[02:09] <alloy> I think the USB3 tip will be golden, will install now...
[02:10] <sarnold> oh heh you even said "some sticks work while others don't", I forgot that part by the end :)
[02:10] <alloy> precisely, and none of those sticks are usb3 ;D
[02:12]  * alloy searches for the crappiest, oldest usb he can find...
[02:12] <sarnold> lol
[02:15] <alloy> lol found a couple of 4gb, a 2gb and even a 1gb, think they might all be useless :D
[03:37]  * alloy continues to wait what seems like forever for usb2 install...
[03:38] <oerheks> start in live mode, wipe disk, select gt and run the icon on the deskop
[03:38] <alloy> seems like if you choose "minimal" the installer installs everything then removes office etc, is that right?
[03:38] <oerheks> gtp*
[03:38] <alloy> gpt even :)
[03:38] <oerheks> it installs a minimum .. saves a few mb
[03:39] <oerheks> not worth the trouble , imho
[03:39] <alloy> I get that... it's the way it seems to do it, I'm watching the logs and it takes ages *removing* libreoffice stuff
[03:52] <Guest49> How can I sign my WIFI driver so SecureBoot doesnt block it
[03:56] <oerheks> mok https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UEFI/SecureBoot#How_can_I_do_non-automated_signing_of_drivers.3F
[04:00] <oerheks> i would leave secureboot off, when such non signed situation occured. often a wonky broadcom thingy
[04:14] <Guest49> Secureboot, jsut turn it off?
[04:14] <Guest49> I read secureboot can prevent malware though
[05:49] <Hash> https://ubuntu.com/blog/how-to-sign-things-for-secure-boot
[07:52] <Payam> Hi,
[07:52] <Payam> why did they remove ansible 8 ?
[08:29] <SteveR> hi there, what would be th command line utility and its associated config file used to make ad-hoc or boot time config changes to linux kernel parameters?
[08:31] <arraybolt3[m]> SteveR: I think you may be thinking of sysctl for ad-hoc changes?
[08:31] <SteveR> yes
[08:31] <SteveR> is it true?
[08:31] <arraybolt3[m]> SteveR: I've used sysctl before and it worked. It's job is to "configure kernel parameters at runtime".
[08:32] <arraybolt3[m]> (That's a quote from the manual page.)
[08:32] <SteveR> what about boot time?
[08:32] <SteveR> which command do we use?
[08:32] <SteveR> is there a associated config file as well for the command?
[08:32] <arraybolt3[m]> SteveR: For changing kernel parameters at boot time, you can escape to GRUB by pressing Esc (or Shift) during early boot, then edit a boot entry and change the kernel command line however you want for that boot.
[08:33] <arraybolt3[m]> SteveR: And the config file for persistent command line changes is /etc/default/grub. There's a line in that file where you can set kernel command line parameters.
[08:33] <SteveR> is it grub.conf file?
[08:33] <arraybolt3[m]> Nope, just "/etc/default/grub". The grub.cfg file is different and usually shouldn't be manually edited.
[08:34] <arraybolt3[m]> The /etc/default/grub file on the other hand can be edited.
[08:34] <arraybolt3[m]> You do have to run "sudo update-grub" when you're done editing the file to get your changes to start working.
[08:35] <EriC^> SteveR: grub.cfg is compiled from /etc/default/grub and /etc/grub.d/* when you run update-grub, so any changes to it would be overwritten each time, have to edit the former files so the changes stick
[08:45] <tomreyn> !kernelparm | SteveR
[08:45] <SteveR> nice
[09:53] <luna> how to tell apt in ubuntu to not upgrade a package?
[09:56] <EriC^> luna: apt-mark hold <package>
[09:56] <luna> EriC^: wierd i put an apt-mark on systemd but its still trying to update it
[09:58] <luna> http://pastebin.com/GvYcVwJj
[10:04] <guiverc> as i read the message luna ; that package had already started installing earlier (thus the 8 not fully-installed/upgraded), I'd guess before the apt-mark hold was added to it
[10:04] <luna> guiverc: yeah, is there any way to reset apt so it understands to ignore it?
[10:05] <guiverc> not that I'm aware of... it'll hold the package at the version it was 'already trying' to install if currently run
[10:05] <luna> ouch
[10:06] <luna> is there any way to skip it and let it try to run the rest?
[10:06] <luna> this is a kinda wierd ubuntu install: echo libxfont1 hold | dpkg --set-selections
[10:06] <luna> https://www.micski.dk/2021/12/21/install-ubuntu-base-system-into-freebsds-linux-binary-compatibility/
[10:08] <guiverc> ^ is my opinion luna, others may think or know better than I...
[10:17] <luna> oh well too lazy to fight with that now, atleast Spotify still works on FreeBSD thats what i use the compat layer/jail for
[10:48] <iomari891> greetings, is it possible to do an unattended upgrade to 22.04 from 20.04? The last upgrade I did keep needing input. I would go to do something, come back and find the system waiting for me to answer a question.
[10:51] <lotuspsychje> !ltsupgrade | iomari891
[10:58] <EriC^> iomari891: https://askubuntu.com/questions/250733/can-i-do-a-silent-or-unattended-release-upgrade
[11:00] <iomari891> thank all
[12:34] <clarkk> I'd really appreciate any suggestions on the problem I've had with bluetooth on a 20.04 system for a few weeks. Full details here: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1419926/ubuntu-20-04-gnome-3-36-8-bluetooth-headset-disconnects-straight-after-connec
[12:36] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[13:00] <rana_ans> Hi, I have an error with "sudo apt update" on ubuntu 18.04: https://pastebin.com/WNKsHknu
[13:00] <rana_ans> kindly help :D
[13:02] <_WEZ_> !paste
[13:04] <Maik> rana_ans: sipmly disable or remove the PPA's that give the error
[13:04] <Maik> sipmly/simply
[13:05] <BluesKaj> rana_ans, remove the ppa source from your /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ file, it's probly no longer valid, hence the errors
[13:05] <rana_ans> ahem, ok how do I do that Maik
[13:06] <BluesKaj> hey Maik
[13:08] <rana_ans> I think its because of sublime text not having a release file
[13:10] <ogra> open the software sources GUI tool from your settings, untick the box next to the sublime repo ... then it should just work
[13:14] <rana_ans> ogra: if you are talking about this, I dont see sublime-text there: https://imgur.com/a/E1MKeFQ
[13:14] <rana_ans> ok nvm
[13:14] <rana_ans> found it
[13:19] <clarkk> I'd really appreciate any suggestions on the problem I've had with bluetooth on a 20.04 system for a few weeks. Full details here: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1419926/ubuntu-20-04-gnome-3-36-8-bluetooth-headset-disconnects-straight-after-connec
[13:19] <clarkk> Or please suggest another place on irc I could ask
[13:21] <Bombo> hi
[13:27] <Bombo> i've got two monitors, one 1280x1024 (4:3) (dvi) and one 1920x1080 (16:9) (hdmi) now i want to have the hdmi right of the dvi, but no panning on the dvi, how do i do that (with xdandr?)
[13:28] <Bombo> i tried this line: xrandr --output "DVI-I-1" --mode 1280x1024 --panning 0x0 --output "HDMI-0" --mode 1920x1080 --panning 0x0 --right-of "DVI-I-1" but it just 'mirrors' the same on both screens, its just bigger on the hdmi
[13:31] <TomyWork> I'm on kubuntu 18.04 and I wanna try out libreoffice 7.3 without messing up my system I see there's a snap for it on the store. can I set that up without any integration into the system, like file associations and such?
[13:32] <jeff47> Do I need cloud-init?  It seems to be throwing errors at me.
[13:33] <TomyWork> depends. what are you doing?
[13:35] <jeff47> It's a server, mainly docker containers, plex.  Minimal GUI, basically for one app.  Headless most of the time.
[13:35] <TomyWork> do you wanna set it up automatically?
[13:35] <TomyWork> does your hoster?
[13:35] <TomyWork> also what are those errors?
[13:36] <TomyWork> about my snap issue: from the manual, I found "snap install --jailmode --unaliased libreoffice" - will that do the trick?
[13:36] <jeff47> It's not a vm.
[13:37] <jeff47> well let leave put that aside for a moment and see if I have fixed a bigger issue.
[13:38] <TomyWork> well then you probably wont need it, unless your hoster uses it to set it up
[13:38] <TomyWork> (doesn't need to be a vm for that)
[13:38] <jeff47> I don't know what you mean by a hoster... the physical machine is sitting next to me.
[13:39] <TomyWork> in that case, you are the hoster :)
[13:39] <jeff47> OK, that's clear then.  :)
[13:39] <TomyWork> what are those errors anyway?
[13:39] <silentfury> setting up 22.04 workstation on a poweredge r640 [because remote hands needs a gui - don't ask] and it goes to no signal whenever I log in. Any ideas?
[13:40] <TomyWork> silentfury, check the journal, maybe it says something about changing modes
[13:40] <jeff47> "schema.py: Invalid cloud-config provided."
[13:41] <TomyWork> jeff47, google that :)
[13:42] <TomyWork> silentfury, also, ssh into it, then do "export DISPLAY=:0" (or whatever display it's on) and see what xrandr thinks about the situation
[13:42] <silentfury> let me blow this away again.. sigh
[13:45] <jeff47> Yeah.  Well got a bigger problem right now anyway.  I was on 20.04 and ran do-release-upgrade and now the system won't boot properly.  "dependency failed for Local File Systems."
[13:45] <TomyWork> then google that instead, good idea :)
[13:46] <jeff47> Yep, working on it....
[14:00] <silentfury> think im just going back to 20.04 - apparently that works
[14:04] <leftyfb> silentfury: remote hands "want" GUI, they don't need it
[14:08] <silentfury> leftyfb: i know.
[14:08] <jeff47> well that's the last time I try do-release-upgrade.  what a mess.
[14:19] <rana_ans> Hi, can I extend sda3 and add the unallocated space into it?
[14:19] <rana_ans> https://imgur.com/a/uGjB8CT
[14:23] <rana_ans> help :c
[14:23] <_WEZ_> rana_ans: depends where the unallocated space is
[14:23] <rana_ans> the unallocated space was not in use by anything and it was labelled sda5 before I deleted it
[14:24] <rana_ans> _WEZ_: I searched and found they should be together and sda3 should be above it, I guess? but I don't know how I could do that
[14:25] <_WEZ_> gparted is the best
[14:25] <rana_ans> yeah, how can I merge the unallocated with sda3?
[14:26] <_WEZ_> expand it
[14:26] <rana_ans> resize?
[14:26] <_WEZ_> expand the partition then resize the FS
[14:28] <rana_ans> _WEZ_: basically my sda1 partition is windows 10
[14:28] <rana_ans> Im using dual-boot
[14:28] <_WEZ_> my condolences
[14:28] <rana_ans> D:
[14:28] <rana_ans> bruh :D
[14:29] <rana_ans> what do you mean why expanding the part and resizing the file system?
[14:30] <rana_ans> I have some 3D modelling softwares that I need to use and they arent on Linux, so windows 10 is the os for those
[14:34] <rana_ans> just help me if I can merge that unallocated part with sda3, please
[14:34] <hggdh> rana_ans: it is not clear from the partition list BUT: *if* the unallocated space follows directly the end of the sda3 partition, then yes. The process is nerve-wrecking, though: you have to delete sda3, reallocate it at the SAME start sector it had, and then set the end of the partition where you want.
[14:34] <rana_ans> @hgg
[14:35] <rana_ans> hggdh: but sda3 is the main part of my linux, I think, if I delete it, it will all get messed up
[14:35] <hggdh> rana_ans: but you have a sda4 (Linux swap) there, and it is not visible is if the beginning sector of sda4 follows straight from the end sector of sda3
[14:36] <rana_ans> yes, the unallocated was sda5 and had no data so I deleted it and wanted to merge with sda3 to increase space for stuff to be upgraded/updated
[14:37] <hggdh> rana_ans: partition numbers do not have to be consecutive, and monotonically increasing
[14:37] <oerheks> there is a swap partition that prevents adding unallocated.
[14:37] <hggdh> but on a raw disk, the only way to increase a partition is by deleting it, and re-creating it AT THE SAME START SECTOR IT HAD
[14:38] <hggdh> it IS dangerous
[14:38] <hggdh> this is where LVM shines
[14:38] <rana_ans> so you are saying if I delete linux swap, it will get merged into unallocated space and then I can merge them with sda3?
[14:39] <rana_ans> is linux swap required? :|
[14:39] <oerheks> yes. now swap is a partition, you can choose for a swapfile too..
[14:39] <oerheks> !swap
[14:40] <rana_ans> can I create a swap partition after the extending sda3
[14:40] <rana_ans> so it can be used by linux
[14:41] <rana_ans> oerheks: should I delete the swap part?
[14:42] <oerheks> that is the only way, to expand sda3 .. do this from a live iso?
[14:42] <rana_ans> sure, I will try it with a live iso
[14:43] <rana_ans> since Im gonna get disconnected from here to do that, lemme know if thats all I need to do
[14:43] <rana_ans> :D
[14:44] <oerheks> make sure when you recreate swap, to edit your Fstab, as UUID changes
[14:46] <tomreyn> rana_ans: and, of course, with any such dangerous operations, make sure you have everything backed up before you start.
[14:46] <rana_ans> ok about the resizing: should I just write the amount required in "new size" ?
[14:46] <rana_ans> https://imgur.com/a/xd2RN4P
[14:46] <jeff47> I can't get my system to come up after do-release-upgrade... if I boot using a liveusb, how can I disable services on the host to see if I can get it to boot again?
[14:47] <rana_ans> tomreyn: yes ofc
[14:47] <rana_ans> thanks for the heads up tho
[14:47] <tomreyn> jeff47: where does it fail during boot now?
[14:48] <rana_ans> oerheks: so just enter the amount required in "New Size"?
[14:48] <rana_ans> https://imgur.com/a/xd2RN4P
[14:49] <jeff47> I am having trouble determining where it fails... the screen stops updating at some point, but it's not always the same spot.
[14:50] <rana_ans> ok bye
[14:50] <tomreyn> jeff47: you should not need to disable services to make the system boot. but you can do sso using systemctl disable <servicename>
[14:51] <jeff47> Won't boot using the recovery mode either.
[14:52] <jeff47> tomreyn: will that work if I've booted from a liveusb even>?
[14:52] <tomreyn> jeff47: if you're mounted the on-disk / installed system's partitions and virtual file systems and chroot mounted into it, yes
[14:53] <tomreyn> jeff47: if you're mounted the on-disk / installed system's partitions and virtual file systems and chrooted into it, yes
[14:53] <jeff47> ah, chroot was the command I couldn't remember.
[14:54] <tomreyn> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCdRecovery#Update_Failure
[14:54] <clarkk> I'd really appreciate any suggestions on the problem I've had with bluetooth on a 20.04 system for a few weeks. Full details here: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1419926/ubuntu-20-04-gnome-3-36-8-bluetooth-headset-disconnects-straight-after-connec   Or please suggest another place on irc I could ask
[14:54] <clarkk> After weeks of struggling with this, I'm pretty desperate
[14:55] <tomreyn> jeff47: note that /dev/sda1 is an example for where your installed systems' / file system is here. also, you will likely need to mount additional file systems on a current system
[14:55] <tomreyn> (such as /boot/efi and maybe also /boot)
[14:58] <sers> hey, good day, is anyone around knowing about firefox/snapd issues?
[14:59] <tomreyn> clarkk: bluetooth issues are so no fun that i don't want to debug them. personally, i bought a headset which doesn't use bluetooth to get around these issues. if you can't get help with it here, there's also the forums and #linux
[15:00] <tomreyn> sers: probably, but you won't find out until you described them.
[15:01] <tomreyn> a good day to you as well, though :)
[15:01] <clarkk> tomreyn, it's so strange - after 2 years of it working fine, it's suddenly become temperamental. I guess an update caused it, but I can't see anything that seems to be related. Were you able to read my post?  Maybe an idea will spring to mind
[15:02] <sers> tomreyn: do you know how long the firefox .deb package installed via apt on "20.04.4 LTS (Focal Fossa)" will be maintained and provided with regular/standard security updates?
[15:02] <tomreyn> clarkk: you only asked this question two hours ago. have some patience.
[15:03] <clarkk> tomreyn, I understand that. I was just asking whether you read my post
[15:04] <sers> tomreyn: any idea? The changelog indicates firefox (102.0+build2-0ubuntu0.20.04.1) focal; urgency=medium.
[15:05] <sers> As I understand, the mitigation to a snap only package was done with ubuntu version 21.10 and 22 jammy
[15:06] <sers> But how about focal
[15:06] <tomreyn> sers: i'd expect that this .deb will be supported until EOL of this release. but it could also transition to the snap at some point, i cannot tell.
[15:07] <tomreyn> clarkk: i had a quick look, noticed it's nothing i can help with, and the time it was posted.
[15:08] <sers> tomreyn: what do you mean, at some point? And you mean, with standard security updates, as in, for the installed apt package? And, is it likely, that there will be some kind of "user notification" in the apt update/upgrade process bringing to a user's attention that the apt package will no longer be supported?
[15:08] <sers> tomreyn: Who exactly could tell?
[15:08] <tomreyn> sers: i'm saying that predictions are difficult, especially when they refer to the future.
[15:09] <tomreyn> the package manager might be able to make a definitive statement on it.
[15:09] <_WEZ_> 14
[15:10] <sers> tomreyn: We are not talking about some kind of blurry prediction about some fantasy-future here, right? It's about the life-cycle of an apt package from a regular repository? Or are you saying, that the guys at canonical haven't made up their minds and eventually abandon snapd altogether again at some point in time in favour of regular apt package installs?
[15:10] <sers> :p
[15:11] <sers> As in, sanity check.
[15:11] <sers> :p
[15:12] <tomreyn> sers: i'm just saying that i do not know whether or not the current .deb packaged firefox browser in 20.04 LTS will turn into a snap at some point. if it will, then there would be an automatic migration, you would not even notice unless you uninstalled snapd and prevented it from getting reinstalled.
[15:14] <sers> tomreyn: Well, I purged snapd, and re-installed, however, there was not such kind of "notice", or perhaps upon re-installing snapd, something fundamentally broke and the upgrade process was somehow halted because of a magical fairy-tale future about snapd. Sorry. ;P
[15:14] <tomreyn> it is not my impression that Canonical has any plans of abandoning snapd. they've recently spent good amounts of developer time into improving it.
[15:14] <sers> -t
[15:15] <sers> Why would anyone in his right mind keep snapd. It's not secure since it relies upon the security audit of Mozilla, and perhaps a few people "involved" from canonical. What's the difference there in just having a regularly maintained apt package via maintainers? heh
[15:15] <sers> I saw so many snapd "issues", to put it mildly, that I want to see snapd only die in a corner. ;P
[15:16] <sers> Anyway, alright, tnx for the information.
[15:17] <sers> It's like running software from Google knowing that the only one auditing is a "team" at Google. It's look saying good-bye to security after a single install. At least, if you don't audit everything yourself.
[15:18] <sers> like*
[15:18] <sers> OK, tomreyn, so long, take care. Bye
[15:26] <jubalh> Is there an IRC channel for ubuntu core?
[15:27] <leftyfb> jubalh: maybe #snappy
[15:27] <jubalh> leftyfb:  I'll try, thanks
[16:27] <Iamthehuman1> Hello. I'm on Ubuntu Studio 22.04 and I am annoyed by the "autoconnect every Bluetooth device that has been paired without asking any questions", because I need to go to the computer to undo the autoconnects and the head developer said that this is not even a design choice and recommended I come here to ask.
[16:28] <Iamthehuman1> I cannot see how something that has been implemented in a way, is not based on design choices. Actually he blamed the protocol, which just don't make any sense
[16:28] <Iamthehuman1> I'm hopping off the train now, but if anyone can help me, I will open my laptop again in 30 minutes or so
[16:32] <descent> just click disconnect on the ones you dont want
[17:11] <silentfury> followed this guide to setting up AD on 20.04 - but password isn't working: https://c-nergy.be/blog/?p=16472
[17:12] <Lucie> https://www.twitch.tv/chaots
[17:16] <aniketgm> silentfury: it's say Ubuntu 20.04.1
[17:16] <silentfury> i'm running 20.04.4?
[17:16] <aniketgm> oh ok
[17:17] <silentfury> i tried: id username and it's spitting back things
[17:17] <silentfury> just seems like not taking password
[17:17] <aniketgm> what things ?
[17:18] <silentfury> aniketgm: all the groups the users are assigned to
[17:19] <silentfury> so sssd is working, it's pulling back data from AD
[17:19] <aniketgm> the comments below in the blog suggest some step.
[17:20] <Guest41> hi
[17:20] <Guest41> Whats the current Ubuntu version of Firefox, so I can compare versions?
[17:20] <aniketgm> https://c-nergy.be/blog/?p=16472#comment-5294
[17:21] <oerheks> !info firefox
[17:21] <silentfury> aniketgm: yeah but it's not authenticating at the login screen.
[17:22] <oerheks> 102 https://snapcraft.io/firefox
[17:24] <Guest41> I closed the terminal window when snap was mid-update with firefox, now I try to snap refresh and it says all packages are up to date. I think I glitched snap updater.
[17:25] <aniketgm> silentfury: follow this one. https://computingforgeeks.com/join-ubuntu-debian-to-active-directory-ad-domain/
[17:26] <oerheks> so, if firefox is up2date, and works, why do you think there is a glitch?
[17:28] <Guest41> Im on version 99
[17:28] <Guest41> I closed the terminal window when snap was mid-update with firefox
[17:29] <aniketgm> Guest41: you worry too much.
[17:30] <Guest41> I interrupted the download
[17:30] <Guest41> and Im using firefox v99, latest is 102
[17:30] <Guest41> and snap thinks im up to date
[17:30] <oerheks> reinstall the snap?
[17:30] <oerheks> snap remove firefox etc
[17:30] <aniketgm> you can uninstall and reinstall firefox
[17:30] <Guest41> re-install firefox....
[17:30] <Guest41> I'd have to re-set all my settings
[17:30] <Guest41> alright
[17:31] <oerheks> no?
[17:31] <leftyfb> it should still keep your settings
[17:31] <Guest41> then how do I install firefox again
[17:32] <Guest41> snap install firefox
[17:32] <tomreyn> once you removed it, yes
[17:33] <aniketgm> I was going to suggest that first he would need to do a -- "sudo rm -rfv /" and the restart. but eh!! ;)
[17:34] <leftyfb> aniketgm: can we help you with something?
[17:34] <aniketgm> leftyfb: no. why ?
[17:35] <ogra> Guest1698, snaps do *always* silently finish the operation asynchrnous ... so your ctrl-c or closing the terminal did nothing to the install process ... also ... use "snap changes" and "snap change <ID>" to find out about such things without having to remove/reinstall
[17:35] <leftyfb> aniketgm: please keep your dangerous commands to yourself. It's not funny to anyone that understands it and you could cause someone who doesn't a lot of pain
[17:35] <ogra> bah
[17:36] <ogra> missed Guest41 ...
[17:36] <aniketgm> Oh somebody is offended. That was just a joke.
[17:37] <aniketgm> +1 ogra
[17:37] <aniketgm> I didn't knew that too.
[17:37] <oerheks> not somebody, such jokes are not welcome here, aniketgm
[17:38] <ogra> yeah, we have a lot of linux illiterate people coming here ... even as jokes such commands can be harmful if people just copy them
[17:38] <aniketgm> :O
[17:54] <guillermo__> hello
[17:54] <guillermo_> como vas
[17:55] <guillermo_> oki
[17:56] <leftyfb> guillermo_: hello. What can we do for you?
[18:17] <plantroon> hey, in my list of wifi networks, mine is mentioned 2 times and one of them has a "1" suffix. Boht are 2.4 GHz. No other device does this, only ubuntu laptop
[18:19] <leftyfb> plantroon: they're probably profiles saved from connecting previous with different configurations, not broadcasting SSID's
[18:19] <jhutchins> plantroon: How many wifi access points do you have?
[18:19] <tomreyn> plantroon: which ubuntu version are you running there?
[18:19] <plantroon> 1 access point, 20.04.4
[18:20] <leftyfb> plantroon: delete both profiles and reconnect
[18:21] <plantroon> yea then only 1 is there .. but why were there 2 is the big question xD
[18:22] <leftyfb> plantroon: you were seeing the list of profiles along with BSSID's. You had 2 profiles for the same SSID because you connected once with one configuration, then again when the configuration changes so it created a new profile
[18:23] <jhutchins> That can also happen if a connection drops and a new one is established before the old data is cleared.
[18:23] <plantroon> what would be the change? Same laptop, same wifi adapter, same SSID, same password, same bands,...
[18:23] <plantroon> ah maybe .. but it's weird because outside of Ubuntu (I guess Network Manager is responsible for this?) I did not see any such behavior
[18:24] <jhutchins> plantroon: Close your wifi applet.  That will eliminate the problem.
[18:25] <plantroon> wdym by wifi applet? How to do it?
[18:26] <jhutchins> plantroon: What's "outside of ubuntu"?
[18:26] <jhutchins> plantroon: Just close the applet that's showing the two connections.
[18:26] <plantroon> I meant chromebooks, android phones, iphones, windows machines, ....
[18:26] <jhutchins> plantroon: Each of those uses a different network stack.
[18:27] <plantroon> yea and only ubuntu exhibited this behavior where it added the "1" suffix to the "profile"
[18:27] <plantroon> so I was trying to figure out what caused it xD
[18:29] <plantroon> literally got asked "Do I connect to apname or apname 1?" - I'm like what's that xD there's no such SSID
[18:29] <jhutchins> The information display is for the amusement of the user.  It doesn't really bear a direct relationship to what's actually happening.
[18:30] <jhutchins> Kinda like a progress bar.
[18:30] <plantroon> progress bar are often hard to  design and predict, AP name or profile naming is not xD
[18:33] <tomreyn> you can change the profile names if you like. but it does make sense to me to use the AP name when profiles are automatically created.
[18:58] <khadas> helloy
[19:45] <Morad75> how can i download the whole ubuntu wili and documentation on my desktop??
[19:46] <oerheks> ubuntu wili ?
[19:46] <sarnold> probably wiki
[19:46] <Morad75> wiki
[19:47] <oerheks> https://help.ubuntu.com/
[19:47] <oerheks> see pdf
[19:47] <sarnold> oh that's a good idea
[19:47] <oerheks> server only, //
[19:48] <sarnold> the ubuntu wiki is crazy slow and under-resourced -- if you try to mirror it "at full speed" I wouldn't be surprised if you're firewalled off from the site. If you crawl the whole thing, i suggest sleeping a bit between every single request.
[19:50] <sarnold> the ubuntu wiki is crazy slow and under-resourced -- if you try to mirror it "at full speed" I wouldn't be surprised if you're firewalled off from the site. If you crawl the whole thing, i suggest sleeping a bit between every single request.
[19:52] <Morad75> sarnold, ecaxtly thet's what happened with me while downloading with httrack
[19:52] <sarnold> I wish it exposed a simple database dump or something
[19:52] <sarnold> I have to imagine it'd be way easier to replace it if we could do that :)
[19:52] <Morad75> like wikipedia yes
[19:55] <Morad75> that's the bad side with ubuntu it doesn't allow downloading the wiki at all
[19:56] <oerheks> server part is available as pdf
[19:58] <linux_> i ask a question
[19:59] <linux_> what will happen if the internet cables were cut?/
[19:59] <linux_> how can we reach the ubuntu wiki??
[19:59] <oerheks> why do you ask?
[19:59] <linux_> the company must offer the wiki on the interney
[19:59] <oerheks> changing names to confuse us..
[20:00] <oerheks> ' must' ..  but you have access.
[20:00] <linux_> automatic changing name after internet disconnect
[20:00] <oerheks> !register
[20:00] <oerheks> lolz
[20:02] <linux_>  <linux_> i recommend the company to take a mirrored shot on a big hard drive and send it to the moon
[20:16] <oerheks> Why does ubuntu boot so fast? i have no time to prepare coffee anymore
[20:16] <genii> Work faster!
[20:16]  * genii ducks
[20:16] <mybalzitch> oerheks: have you considered loading your kernel from a reel to reel tape?
[20:16] <oerheks> you mean compiling before boot?
[20:19] <mybalzitch> compiling isn't the threat it used to be with modern multicore cpus
[20:22] <sarnold> but *linking* at the end of the build can be brutal
[20:27] <ufoglaev> Hello to everyone!
[20:27] <ufoglaev> Есть русские?
[20:28] <n-iCe> hello
[20:56] <brkcore> hi, does anyone know, why yt-dlp -x --audio-format mp3 <url> downloads .webm instwad of mp3
[20:57] <genii> mp3 is the audio codec
[20:59] <brkcore> whats webm then
[20:59] <genii> webm is a container which is holding your audio in mp3 format and your video in whatever default format that came in
[21:01] <brkcore> i have to convert it now, is there any other way to download from youtube directly with mp3
[21:04] <brkcore> with youtube-dl same command downloads mp3, nut its slower
[21:09] <sarnold> brkcore: it's probably worth a bug report, anyway
[21:10] <clarkk> I'd really appreciate any suggestions on the problem I've had with bluetooth on a 20.04 system for a few weeks. Full details here: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1419926/ubuntu-20-04-gnome-3-36-8-bluetooth-headset-disconnects-straight-after-connec
[21:10] <brkcore> i doubt. If it was a bug it would have been reported by now and eventually would have been sorted out.
[21:10] <sarnold> oh dang, still fighting that? :(
[21:10] <sarnold> brkcore: you'd be surprised how hard it is to get people to file bug reports
[21:11] <brkcore> sarnold, why i could report daily, just let me know where and how
[21:13] <brkcore> by the way, this is an error message i got after each download -  ERROR: Postprocessing: ffprobe and ffmpeg not found. Please install or provide the path using --ffmpeg-location
[21:13] <sarnold> brkcore: aha!
[21:13] <brkcore> i have ffprobe, installed though
[21:14] <sarnold> brkcore: the manpage says those are necessary to do the -x thing :)
[21:14] <brkcore> 1:))
[21:14] <sarnold> I wonder if the snap can't execute those :)
[21:15] <sarnold> brkcore: if you installed via snap, I suggest using the 'contact graham morrison' on https://snapcraft.io/yt-dlp to report this
[21:16] <brkcore> sarnold, ok and where do I go next, ... "Contact Graham Morrison"?
[21:17] <brkcore> ah ... ok
[21:17] <brkcore> ok ok , thanks
[21:29] <jhutchins> brkcore_: My average time from reporting a bug in RedHat, with solution, is about two years.
[21:29] <jhutchins> brkcore_: RedHat has paid staff.
[21:30] <jhutchins> brkcore_: Average time to publication.
[21:31] <brkcore_> jhutchins, :)))) thanks for letting me know, I was refreshing and checking my emails for an update
[23:17] <tsurugi> buenas
[23:21] <n-iCe> hi
[23:21] <sarnold> hello
[23:35] <jhutchins> Short half-life