| kc2bez[m] | Quickget, which is part of quickemu uses zsync for isos that support it. | 00:00 |
|---|---|---|
| arraybolt3[m] | And this begins the battle of the hypervisors. | 00:01 |
| arraybolt3[m] | s/this/thus | 00:01 |
| kc2bez[m] | Hahaha | 00:01 |
| kc2bez[m] | I like vim too ;) | 00:01 |
| arraybolt3[m] | 🤯 | 00:01 |
| arraybolt3[m] | I tried that once, it was... well, a bit too much to learn at the time. | 00:02 |
| arraybolt3[m] | I'm still on Nano, Kate, and GEdit. | 00:02 |
| arraybolt3[m] | (And VSCode.) | 00:02 |
| kc2bez[m] | I honestly very pragmatic. Use what works for you. | 00:02 |
| arraybolt3[m] | I would love to love Vim, and maybe one day I'll try it again. It was fun to learn. | 00:03 |
| arraybolt3[m] | <tsimonq2> "You can literally give it an ISO..." <- If it's a file:/// URL does that work? | 00:04 |
| kc2bez[m] | It takes some solid time in seat to get comfortable with anything. | 00:04 |
| arraybolt3[m] | True. My transition from hunt-and-peck typing to touch typing made me slow down dramatically, but now it's way faster. | 00:04 |
| tsimonq2 | arraybolt3[m]: Yeah that too | 00:05 |
| arraybolt3[m] | **Really?** OK, I may just fall for Cockpit then, 'cause that was the one thing about virt-manager that finally drove me away - messing with storage pools when I had ISOs organized into a bunch of folders all over the place. (I mean, I might have migrated anyway, but that was one of the "OK, that's it, I'm done" problems.) | 00:06 |
| tsimonq2 | My boss (Noah of asknoahshow.com and Linux Action Show) once described it like this in an IRL meeting... | 00:08 |
| tsimonq2 | "People who look like you, have a beard, and write your code in Vim, probably use virt-manager or virsh. If you're 20 and graduated from college then you'll probably use Cockpit." | 00:08 |
| tsimonq2 | LMAO | 00:08 |
| arraybolt3[m] | OK this is pretty cool so far. | 00:14 |
| arraybolt3[m] | (Using Cockpit to test the new Calamares on Ubuntu Studio.) | 00:14 |
| arraybolt3[m] | Simon Quigley (Developer): Well, once again, you've earned a convert to your software setup. | 00:17 |
| * arraybolt3[m] uninstalls GNOME Boxes | 00:17 | |
| arraybolt3[m] | First Matrix and now Cockpit. | 00:17 |
| kc2bez[m] | > <@tsimonq2:linuxdelta.com> My boss (Noah of asknoahshow.com and Linux Action Show) once described it like this in an IRL meeting... | 00:20 |
| kc2bez[m] | > | 00:20 |
| kc2bez[m] | > "People who look like you, have a beard, and write your code in Vim, probably use virt-manager or virsh. If you're 20 and graduated from college then you'll probably use Cockpit." | 00:21 |
| kc2bez[m] | I guess that is fairly true. I've used my share of virsh too. | 00:21 |
| arraybolt3[m] | Simon Quigley (Developer): Hey, how close are we to looking over the Calamares SRU? (I hate to be in a hurry, but I won't be available after about 8:15, so if there's anything else that needs done to it, I'll need to know before then.) | 00:29 |
| guiverc | railer77gg | 00:31 |
| arraybolt3[m] | guiverc: ? | 00:31 |
| * guiverc busy changing something | 00:32 | |
| arraybolt3[m] | Well, sadly, I'm back on GNOME Boxes. Cockpit kept pausing my VM mid-installation while I was fiddling with it, and the graphics were so bad (which sounds like not a big deal, but when the whole UI freezes while you're trying to install an OS in a hurry, it's a big deal). Sure looked cool, though, and I'll keep it around. Maybe it's just not for my particular computer. | 00:33 |
| arraybolt3[m] | Ubuntu Studio also installed and worked with Calamares 3.2.60. | 00:45 |
| tsimonq2 | arraybolt3 @arraybolt3:matrix.org: Ready for roast time? | 00:52 |
| arraybolt3[m] | OK. | 00:52 |
| tsimonq2 | Why delete this debian/calamares.1 | 00:52 |
| tsimonq2 | And this debian/calamares.manpages | 00:52 |
| tsimonq2 | Just getting you warmed up... | 00:53 |
| arraybolt3[m] | Because Calamares upstream provides a manpage already. | 00:53 |
| arraybolt3[m] | Having two manpages for the same app in different spots could confuse the end user. | 00:53 |
| tsimonq2 | Standard formatting of bug mentioning is (LP: #123456) | 00:54 |
| ubot93 | Launchpad bug 123456 in xine-lib (Ubuntu) "podcast crashes amarok" [Undecided, Fix Released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/123456 | 00:54 |
| tsimonq2 | Surround with parentheses | 00:54 |
| arraybolt3[m] | Ah, didn't realize that. Fixing. | 00:54 |
| tsimonq2 | You didn't create the signing key yourself, where did you get it from? | 00:54 |
| arraybolt3[m] | OK, so first I downloaded the asc file from upstream's GitHub. Then I used GPG to get the key ID, and pulled it from the keyserver, then exported it with "gpg --export --armour". | 00:55 |
| arraybolt3[m] | s/armour/armor/ | 00:55 |
| arraybolt3[m] | I verified that it works using "uscan --download-current-version". | 00:56 |
| tsimonq2 | Yes, so summarize that in the changelog please | 00:57 |
| arraybolt3[m] | OK. | 00:57 |
| tsimonq2 | What's up with the weird differences between tabs and spaces in the copyright file? | 00:57 |
| arraybolt3[m] | Eh? Didn't notice those, I'll look at it. | 00:58 |
| tsimonq2 | Oh your watch file flat out doesn't work | 00:58 |
| arraybolt3[m] | (I copypasted copyright data from within Calamares itself, so that may be the problem.) | 00:58 |
| arraybolt3[m] | tsimonq2: Not possible, it works on my end. | 00:58 |
| arraybolt3[m] | (uscan --download-current-version works.) | 00:59 |
| tsimonq2 | End of line 3 of your changelog | 00:59 |
| tsimonq2 | s/changelog/copyright/ | 00:59 |
| arraybolt3[m] | Hold on, looking at it, I'm not even seeing a tab. | 01:00 |
| arraybolt3[m] | Simon Quigley (Developer): Where is the tab? End of line 3 on the copyright, I'm not seeing anything weird in particular. | 01:01 |
| lubot | [telegram] <tsimonq2> https://matterbridge.lubuntu.me/d0347436/file_5637.jpg | 01:02 |
| arraybolt3[m] | Argh, just figured out how to get Nano to show them. My copypasting of copyright data for maximum accuracy backfired. Sorry, fixing... | 01:02 |
| tsimonq2 | Also you are not consistent with comma vs not in the entries you add | 01:03 |
| arraybolt3[m] | That was a leftover from the previous copyright file, repair it? | 01:03 |
| tsimonq2 | Instead of "fixed a flaw" in the changelog it should be a short summary of the flaw you fixed | 01:04 |
| arraybolt3[m] | Even though the summary is immediately underneath it? | 01:04 |
| tsimonq2 | arraybolt3[m]: Yes, ONLY the ones you add though | 01:04 |
| tsimonq2 | arraybolt3[m]: Same rationale for package descriptions in control | 01:05 |
| arraybolt3[m] | Hold on, going too fast, gimme a sec... | 01:05 |
| tsimonq2 | One line summary then a couple lines below expanding | 01:05 |
| tsimonq2 | All good | 01:05 |
| arraybolt3[m] | OK, back. | 01:09 |
| arraybolt3[m] | Simon Quigley (Developer): OK, I fixed everything you mentioned and pushed to Git. | 01:11 |
| * tsimonq2 takes out Elon Musk's flamethrower | 01:11 | |
| tsimonq2 | We're not done here yet :P | 01:12 |
| arraybolt3[m] | Of course, but everything behind us is fixed. | 01:12 |
| arraybolt3[m] | Or burnt, depending on how you want to look at it :-P | 01:12 |
| tsimonq2 | Should be `SRU (LP: #929292).` with the period *after* :P and the period before your sub-bullet should be a colon. | 01:13 |
| arraybolt3[m] | Sub-bullet? | 01:13 |
| arraybolt3[m] | Like "- Reasoning:"? | 01:13 |
| arraybolt3[m] | Rather than "- Reasoning -"? | 01:13 |
| tsimonq2 | If you use `Reasoning -` instead of a colon it may confuse some automation | 01:13 |
| tsimonq2 | arraybolt3[m]: Yes | 01:13 |
| tsimonq2 | But I mean at the end of the main bullet point line before your last sub-bullet | 01:14 |
| arraybolt3[m] | OK, ready for flamethrower. | 01:16 |
| arraybolt3[m] | Simon Quigley (Developer): ^ | 01:16 |
| tsimonq2 | Explain every part of the version to me and why you chose it | 01:16 |
| arraybolt3[m] | OK, hold on, pulling up docs so my reasoning makes sense... | 01:16 |
| arraybolt3[m] | According to the StableReleaseUpdates wiki page, "The version number does not conflict with any later and future version in other Ubuntu releases (the security policy document has a well-working scheme which can be used for SRUs.)" So I followed the link to the security policy document, and it said... | 01:17 |
| arraybolt3[m] | In the rare case of a new upstream release being pushed to all stable releases (substitute for 12.04 in the version string): | 01:18 |
| arraybolt3[m] | NOTE: This is for an upstream only update, not a backport of the development release package | 01:18 |
| arraybolt3[m] | ============= ================ ====================... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/1793947211645033369a27cf56876c3befc29f35) | 01:18 |
| arraybolt3[m] | (Wow that's one ugly table.) | 01:18 |
| arraybolt3[m] | So I used that format. Upstream release is 3.2.60, and it is a new upstream release to 22.04, so it's now 3.2.60-0ubuntu0.22.04.1. | 01:19 |
| arraybolt3[m] | (I am noticing a potential problem...) | 01:19 |
| arraybolt3[m] | Simon Quigley (Developer): ^ | 01:19 |
| arraybolt3[m] | That was the only example the document provided for a new upstream release, and since it was an upstream-only update and not a backport of the development release package, that's what I used. | 01:20 |
| tsimonq2 | arraybolt3[m]: What's the problem? I don't see one | 01:21 |
| arraybolt3[m] | It was "all stable release", this is going into Jammy only. | 01:22 |
| arraybolt3[m] | (I mean, the formatting is for an update into all stable releases.) | 01:22 |
| arraybolt3[m] | So I'm wondering if maybe there's some different formatting for when it's only going into one stable release... or is it going into all stable releases? | 01:22 |
| tsimonq2 | There is one other correct potential version | 01:23 |
| arraybolt3[m] | Which is? (Sorry, I'm not figuring it out from the security updates doc.) Simon Quigley (Developer) | 01:24 |
| tsimonq2 | > <@arraybolt3:matrix.org> ============= ================ ====================... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/9004eb95b969fc7dd7157be7f58a4bd5e54f6def) | 01:25 |
| arraybolt3[m] | Ah, leaving off the .60. OK. | 01:25 |
| arraybolt3[m] | But we've included the minor version number before, so I think it should stay. | 01:25 |
| arraybolt3[m] | (Indeed, we've never left the minor version number off that I can see.) | 01:26 |
| arraybolt3[m] | Simon Quigley (Developer): ^ | 01:26 |
| tsimonq2 | Nope | 01:27 |
| tsimonq2 | Don't modify the upstream part at all | 01:27 |
| tsimonq2 | You're simply removing the release version number | 01:27 |
| arraybolt3[m] | Oh wait, I noticed the wrong part of your example. | 01:27 |
| arraybolt3[m] | So I should do that? | 01:28 |
| arraybolt3[m] | (Removing the release version number?) | 01:28 |
| arraybolt3[m] | (And now I finally see the spot in the document that shows where I can do that. OK, that satisfies all the rules I can see.) | 01:28 |
| arraybolt3[m] | 2.0 2.0ubuntu0.1 | 01:29 |
| arraybolt3[m] | (Which looks like a typo in the document possibly? Now I'm really confused. I'm just going to do what you said and go with it.) | 01:30 |
| arraybolt3[m] | Simon Quigley (Developer): OK, pushed to Git again and awaiting the next needed fix. | 01:33 |
| tsimonq2 | LGTM. Did you get to the SRU paperwork yet? | 01:35 |
| arraybolt3[m] | Simon Quigley (Developer): Not yet, and sadly, due to extenuating circunstances, I don't actually have the time to do that (I have to leave in about 5 minutes). It is awful if I leave that for you? | 01:35 |
| tsimonq2 | arraybolt3[m]: We can shoot for Monday to get you practice | 01:37 |
| arraybolt3[m] | OK, sounds good. Sorry to run out of time just at the very end. | 01:37 |
| tsimonq2 | All good | 01:37 |
| arraybolt3[m] | Whew, that was a lot! Thank you for teaching me all that, that was awesome. \o/ | 01:38 |
| tsimonq2 | Of course :) | 01:46 |
| lubot | [telegram] <lynorian> I don't know I ever quite groked how translations worked | 07:57 |
| lubot | [telegram] <teward001> the translations platform we wanted to set up a long while ago couldnt be set up due to infra restrictions at DO and then because CI ate everything it exhausted my resources too | 17:28 |
| lubot | [telegram] <teward001> so we never really set up a translations platform that worked | 17:28 |
| lubot | [telegram] <teward001> then Simon went awol and it went into the depths so :P | 17:29 |
| lubot | [telegram] <profetik777> sup folks...i installed the daily and enabled non-released updates....so if you need someone to test some thing on intel based hardware, lemme know | 17:44 |
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