[00:00] <kc2bez[m]> Quickget, which is part of quickemu uses zsync for isos that support it.
[00:01] <arraybolt3[m]> And this begins the battle of the hypervisors.
[00:01] <arraybolt3[m]> s/this/thus
[00:01] <kc2bez[m]> Hahaha
[00:01] <kc2bez[m]> I like vim too ;) 
[00:01] <arraybolt3[m]> 🤯
[00:02] <arraybolt3[m]> I tried that once, it was... well, a bit too much to learn at the time.
[00:02] <arraybolt3[m]> I'm still on Nano, Kate, and GEdit.
[00:02] <arraybolt3[m]> (And VSCode.)
[00:02] <kc2bez[m]> I honestly very pragmatic. Use what works for you.
[00:03] <arraybolt3[m]> I would love to love Vim, and maybe one day I'll try it again. It was fun to learn.
[00:04] <arraybolt3[m]> <tsimonq2> "You can literally give it an ISO..." <- If it's a file:/// URL does that work?
[00:04] <kc2bez[m]> It takes some solid time in seat to get comfortable with anything.
[00:04] <arraybolt3[m]> True. My transition from hunt-and-peck typing to touch typing made me slow down dramatically, but now it's way faster.
[00:05] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3[m]: Yeah that too
[00:06] <arraybolt3[m]> **Really?** OK, I may just fall for Cockpit then, 'cause that was the one thing about virt-manager that finally drove me away - messing with storage pools when I had ISOs organized into a bunch of folders all over the place. (I mean, I might have migrated anyway, but that was one of the "OK, that's it, I'm done" problems.)
[00:08] <tsimonq2> My boss (Noah of asknoahshow.com and Linux Action Show) once described it like this in an IRL meeting...
[00:08] <tsimonq2> "People who look like you, have a beard, and write your code in Vim, probably use virt-manager or virsh. If you're 20 and graduated from college then you'll probably use Cockpit."
[00:08] <tsimonq2> LMAO
[00:14] <arraybolt3[m]> OK this is pretty cool so far.
[00:14] <arraybolt3[m]> (Using Cockpit to test the new Calamares on Ubuntu Studio.)
[00:17] <arraybolt3[m]> Simon Quigley (Developer): Well, once again, you've earned a convert to your software setup.
[00:17]  * arraybolt3[m] uninstalls GNOME Boxes
[00:17] <arraybolt3[m]> First Matrix and now Cockpit.
[00:20] <kc2bez[m]> > <@tsimonq2:linuxdelta.com> My boss (Noah of asknoahshow.com and Linux Action Show) once described it like this in an IRL meeting...
[00:20] <kc2bez[m]> > 
[00:21] <kc2bez[m]> > "People who look like you, have a beard, and write your code in Vim, probably use virt-manager or virsh. If you're 20 and graduated from college then you'll probably use Cockpit."
[00:21] <kc2bez[m]> I guess that is fairly true. I've used my share of virsh too. 
[00:29] <arraybolt3[m]> Simon Quigley (Developer): Hey, how close are we to looking over the Calamares SRU? (I hate to be in a hurry, but I won't be available after about 8:15, so if there's anything else that needs done to it, I'll need to know before then.)
[00:31] <guiverc> railer77gg
[00:31] <arraybolt3[m]> guiverc: ?
[00:32]  * guiverc busy changing something 
[00:33] <arraybolt3[m]> Well, sadly, I'm back on GNOME Boxes. Cockpit kept pausing my VM mid-installation while I was fiddling with it, and the graphics were so bad (which sounds like not a big deal, but when the whole UI freezes while you're trying to install an OS in a hurry, it's a big deal). Sure looked cool, though, and I'll keep it around. Maybe it's just not for my particular computer.
[00:45] <arraybolt3[m]> Ubuntu Studio also installed and worked with Calamares 3.2.60.
[00:52] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3 @arraybolt3:matrix.org: Ready for roast time? 
[00:52] <arraybolt3[m]> OK.
[00:52] <tsimonq2> Why delete this debian/calamares.1
[00:52] <tsimonq2> And this debian/calamares.manpages
[00:53] <tsimonq2> Just getting you warmed up...
[00:53] <arraybolt3[m]> Because Calamares upstream provides a manpage already.
[00:53] <arraybolt3[m]> Having two manpages for the same app in different spots could confuse the end user.
[00:54] <tsimonq2> Standard formatting of bug mentioning is (LP: #123456)
[00:54] <ubot93> Launchpad bug 123456 in xine-lib (Ubuntu) "podcast crashes amarok" [Undecided, Fix Released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/123456
[00:54] <tsimonq2> Surround with parentheses
[00:54] <arraybolt3[m]> Ah, didn't realize that. Fixing.
[00:54] <tsimonq2> You didn't create the signing key yourself, where did you get it from?
[00:55] <arraybolt3[m]> OK, so first I downloaded the asc file from upstream's GitHub. Then I used GPG to get the key ID, and pulled it from the keyserver, then exported it with "gpg --export --armour".
[00:55] <arraybolt3[m]> s/armour/armor/
[00:56] <arraybolt3[m]> I verified that it works using "uscan --download-current-version".
[00:57] <tsimonq2> Yes, so summarize that in the changelog please
[00:57] <arraybolt3[m]> OK.
[00:57] <tsimonq2> What's up with the weird differences between tabs and spaces in the copyright file?
[00:58] <arraybolt3[m]> Eh? Didn't notice those, I'll look at it.
[00:58] <tsimonq2> Oh your watch file flat out doesn't work
[00:58] <arraybolt3[m]> (I copypasted copyright data from within Calamares itself, so that may be the problem.)
[00:58] <arraybolt3[m]> tsimonq2: Not possible, it works on my end.
[00:59] <arraybolt3[m]> (uscan --download-current-version works.)
[00:59] <tsimonq2> End of line 3 of your changelog 
[00:59] <tsimonq2> s/changelog/copyright/
[01:00] <arraybolt3[m]> Hold on, looking at it, I'm not even seeing a tab.
[01:01] <arraybolt3[m]> Simon Quigley (Developer): Where is the tab? End of line 3 on the copyright, I'm not seeing anything weird in particular.
[01:02] <lubot> [telegram] <tsimonq2> https://matterbridge.lubuntu.me/d0347436/file_5637.jpg
[01:02] <arraybolt3[m]> Argh, just figured out how to get Nano to show them. My copypasting of copyright data for maximum accuracy backfired. Sorry, fixing...
[01:03] <tsimonq2> Also you are not consistent with comma vs not in the entries you add
[01:03] <arraybolt3[m]> That was a leftover from the previous copyright file, repair it?
[01:04] <tsimonq2> Instead of "fixed a flaw" in the changelog it should be a short summary of the flaw you fixed
[01:04] <arraybolt3[m]> Even though the summary is immediately underneath it?
[01:04] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3[m]: Yes, ONLY the ones you add though
[01:05] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3[m]: Same rationale for package descriptions in control
[01:05] <arraybolt3[m]> Hold on, going too fast, gimme a sec...
[01:05] <tsimonq2> One line summary then a couple lines below expanding
[01:05] <tsimonq2> All good
[01:09] <arraybolt3[m]> OK, back.
[01:11] <arraybolt3[m]> Simon Quigley (Developer): OK, I fixed everything you mentioned and pushed to Git.
[01:11]  * tsimonq2 takes out Elon Musk's flamethrower
[01:12] <tsimonq2> We're not done here yet :P
[01:12] <arraybolt3[m]> Of course, but everything behind us is fixed.
[01:12] <arraybolt3[m]> Or burnt, depending on how you want to look at it :-P 
[01:13] <tsimonq2> Should be `SRU (LP: #929292).` with the period *after* :P and the period before your sub-bullet should be a colon.
[01:13] <arraybolt3[m]> Sub-bullet?
[01:13] <arraybolt3[m]> Like "- Reasoning:"?
[01:13] <arraybolt3[m]> Rather than "- Reasoning -"?
[01:13] <tsimonq2> If you use `Reasoning -` instead of a colon it may confuse some automation
[01:13] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3[m]: Yes
[01:14] <tsimonq2> But I mean at the end of the main bullet point line before your last sub-bullet
[01:16] <arraybolt3[m]> OK, ready for flamethrower.
[01:16] <arraybolt3[m]> Simon Quigley (Developer): ^
[01:16] <tsimonq2> Explain every part of the version to me and why you chose it
[01:16] <arraybolt3[m]> OK, hold on, pulling up docs so my reasoning makes sense...
[01:17] <arraybolt3[m]> According to the StableReleaseUpdates wiki page, "The version number does not conflict with any later and future version in other Ubuntu releases (the security policy document has a well-working scheme which can be used for SRUs.)" So I followed the link to the security policy document, and it said...
[01:18] <arraybolt3[m]> In the rare case of a new upstream release being pushed to all stable releases (substitute for 12.04 in the version string):
[01:18] <arraybolt3[m]> NOTE: This is for an upstream only update, not a backport of the development release package
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[01:18] <arraybolt3[m]> (Wow that's one ugly table.)
[01:19] <arraybolt3[m]> So I used that format. Upstream release is 3.2.60, and it is a new upstream release to 22.04, so it's now 3.2.60-0ubuntu0.22.04.1.
[01:19] <arraybolt3[m]> (I am noticing a potential problem...)
[01:19] <arraybolt3[m]> Simon Quigley (Developer): ^
[01:20] <arraybolt3[m]> That was the only example the document provided for a new upstream release, and since it was an upstream-only update and not a backport of the development release package, that's what I used.
[01:21] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3[m]: What's the problem? I don't see one
[01:22] <arraybolt3[m]> It was "all stable release", this is going into Jammy only.
[01:22] <arraybolt3[m]> (I mean, the formatting is for an update into all stable releases.)
[01:22] <arraybolt3[m]> So I'm wondering if maybe there's some different formatting for when it's only going into one stable release... or is it going into all stable releases?
[01:23] <tsimonq2> There is one other correct potential version 
[01:24] <arraybolt3[m]> Which is? (Sorry, I'm not figuring it out from the security updates doc.) Simon Quigley (Developer) 
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[01:25] <arraybolt3[m]> Ah, leaving off the .60. OK.
[01:25] <arraybolt3[m]> But we've included the minor version number before, so I think it should stay.
[01:26] <arraybolt3[m]> (Indeed, we've never left the minor version number off that I can see.)
[01:26] <arraybolt3[m]> Simon Quigley (Developer): ^
[01:27] <tsimonq2> Nope
[01:27] <tsimonq2> Don't modify the upstream part at all
[01:27] <tsimonq2> You're simply removing the release version number 
[01:27] <arraybolt3[m]> Oh wait, I noticed the wrong part of your example.
[01:28] <arraybolt3[m]> So I should do that?
[01:28] <arraybolt3[m]> (Removing the release version number?)
[01:28] <arraybolt3[m]> (And now I finally see the spot in the document that shows where I can do that. OK, that satisfies all the rules I can see.)
[01:29] <arraybolt3[m]> 2.0                           2.0ubuntu0.1
[01:30] <arraybolt3[m]> (Which looks like a typo in the document possibly? Now I'm really confused. I'm just going to do what you said and go with it.)
[01:33] <arraybolt3[m]> Simon Quigley (Developer): OK, pushed to Git again and awaiting the next needed fix.
[01:35] <tsimonq2> LGTM. Did you get to the SRU paperwork yet?
[01:35] <arraybolt3[m]> Simon Quigley (Developer): Not yet, and sadly, due to extenuating circunstances, I don't actually have the time to do that (I have to leave in about 5 minutes). It is awful if I leave that for you?
[01:37] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3[m]: We can shoot for Monday to get you practice 
[01:37] <arraybolt3[m]> OK, sounds good. Sorry to run out of time just at the very end.
[01:37] <tsimonq2> All good
[01:38] <arraybolt3[m]> Whew, that was a lot! Thank you for teaching me all that, that was awesome. \o/
[01:46] <tsimonq2> Of course :)
[07:57] <lubot> [telegram] <lynorian> I don't know I ever quite groked how translations worked
[17:28] <lubot> [telegram] <teward001> the translations platform we wanted to set up a long while ago couldnt be set up due to infra restrictions at DO and then because CI ate everything it exhausted my resources too
[17:28] <lubot> [telegram] <teward001> so we never really set up a translations platform that worked
[17:29] <lubot> [telegram] <teward001> then Simon went awol and it went into the depths so :P
[17:44] <lubot> [telegram] <profetik777> sup folks...i installed the daily and enabled non-released updates....so if you need someone to test some thing on intel based hardware, lemme know