[00:11] <taholmes160> Hi folks, im having problems upgrading my ubuntu 21.10 installation
[00:11] <arraybolt3[m]> taholmes160: Do you have any software that you installed via PPAs?
[00:13] <Bashing-om> !eol | taholmes160 I am told the repo has been moved to "old-releases".
[00:13] <taholmes160> Not that I know of -- i downloaded a disk image and installed from there
[00:13] <Bashing-om> !21.10 | taholmes160
[00:14] <arraybolt3[m]> taholmes160: OK. You may need to open up /etc/apt/sources.list (open a terminal and run `sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list`) and modify your lines to point to the old-releases repo.
[00:14] <taholmes160> im ok with upgrading to latest
[00:15] <arraybolt3[m]> taholmes160: Try following these instructions: https://askubuntu.com/questions/91815/how-to-install-software-or-upgrade-from-an-old-unsupported-release
[00:15] <arraybolt3[m]> taholmes160: Once you've set that up, then run do-release-upgrade.
[00:15] <arraybolt3[m]> taholmes160: (I trust you've backed up all your data before doing this, right? Ubuntu upgrades are known for going poorly sometimes.)
[00:15] <taholmes160> ok, cool
[00:15] <taholmes160> thanks
[00:15] <arraybolt3[m]> 👍️
[00:33] <Guest1845> UBUNTU IS FOR NİĞĞERS
[00:34] <arraybolt3[m]> !ops | Guest1845 needs removed for unacceptable speech
[00:34] <Guest1845> CALL THE POLICE NİĞĞER
[00:34] <arraybolt3[m]> And for everyone else who is watching this, just hit Ignore.
[00:35] <MrGigio> I guess people are really bored these days
[00:36] <arraybolt3[m]> Or something. It's just such a waste of a life.
[00:36] <arraybolt3[m]> (Actually, the Ignore button might not be a great idea so that if a legitimate user comes in with the same username later I don't miss them. Sigh... alright...)
[00:39] <gman787> is there a Linux version of this thing.....using it with Wine - Windows version.
[00:41] <arraybolt3[m]> gman787: What program are you using?
[00:42] <gman787> Mirc.....with WIne on Elementary Linux
[00:43] <arraybolt3[m]> mirc - the IRC client, right?
[00:44] <jhutchins> gman787: There are a bunch of very nice irc clients that work with Linux.  I'm guessing you're running Ubuntu with the gnome desktop?
[00:44] <arraybolt3[m]> It looks like it only exists for Windows, sadly. Hexchat works well, as does Quassel, and if you're into really advanced IRC clients, there's irssi.
[00:45] <gman787> I'm old - know nothing about this thing.  I'm using Elementary Linux and installed the Windows Mirc client with Wine.
[00:45] <arraybolt3[m]> gman787: Try a quick "sudo apt install hexchat" and enjoy.
[00:46] <gman787> Thank you very much.   I  will do that.
[00:46] <arraybolt3[m]> :+!
[00:46] <arraybolt3[m]> 👍️
[00:46] <arraybolt3[m]> (The :+! was a typo, sorry.)
[00:47] <jhutchins> Does elementary use apt?
[00:47] <gman787> Yes
[00:47] <arraybolt3[m]> jhutchins: Yep, just looked it up. Usually I'd say, "That's not an official Ubuntu flavour", but if it's just over an IRC client I think we can overlook that.
[00:49] <gman787> I'm 70, I've had a stroke...and I don;t know anything about irc - I'd heard of it.
[00:49] <oerheks> mirc with wine, aking elementary questions...
[00:49] <oerheks> yeah sure
[00:49] <arraybolt3[m]> oerheks: Oh c'mon, we have one specific reason for not supporting unofficial Ubuntu derivatives and this isn't the reason.
[00:50] <arraybolt3[m]> gman787: Yeah, a client like Hexchat will probably serve you better than mIRC. It's free, doesn't require Wine to run, and can install like a usual package into the OS.
[00:51] <arraybolt3[m]> gman787: While this channel doesn't officially support Elementary OS, there are official support channels for Elementary, like https://elementaryos.stackexchange.com/. Also, if you're interested in just chatting with people over IRC, you might enjoy #ubuntu-offtopic:libera.chat.
[00:51] <gman787> Sitting here eating a burger, thanks to wife.  I will apt-get install hexchat in a bit.  Thank you again.
[00:51] <arraybolt3[m]> No problem, hope your day is good! Glad you're OK after a stroke - that sounds terrifying.
[00:52] <gman787> It was not good.  I recovered 100-percent.  I was lucky.
[00:52] <gman787> My left eye would not move....horrible double vision for about a month.  but it healed, totally.
[00:53] <arraybolt3[m]> Wow. That's amazing.
[00:53] <arraybolt3[m]> (It should be noted that off-topic conversation usually isn't done here - I'd love to keep chatting in #ubuntu-offtopic so we don't both get in trouble :D)
[00:53] <gman787> Well, depends on where the stroke happens, it's severity, etc.  Again - I was really lucky.
[00:54] <gman787> Sure - my apologies.  I sincerely know zero about the protocols on this thing
[00:54] <arraybolt3[m]> No problem. Just run "/join #ubuntu-offtopic" in IRC and it will add you to the room.
[00:55] <gman787> Well, I should install hexchat.....do it momentarily.
[00:56] <Bashing-om> gman787: See too: https://libera.chat/guides/hexchat to configure the hexchat IRC client.
[00:56] <oerheks> elementary has no irc channel .. you better reformat to ubuntu
[00:57] <gman787> I'm gonna close this Windows version and use hexchat.  I'm probably off into the ozone, here.  Thanks for the help and my apologies for not knowing the ropes, here.
[00:57] <gman787> I tried Ubuntu but, as I recall, it had ads for Amazon or something....
[00:57] <Bashing-om> gman787: Install ubuntu and all will be better :P
[00:57] <arraybolt3[m]> No problem, that's what we're here for! No one expects you to instantly know all the rules and techniques.
[00:57] <oerheks> ...
[00:57] <arraybolt3[m]> gman787: Eh, that was long ago. People got really mad about that and they fixed it.
[00:57] <gman787> I'll give Ubuntu a try.
[00:57] <oerheks> duhhh
[00:58] <gman787> Seriously, I will take a spare drive and try out Ubuntu again.
[00:58] <arraybolt3[m]> (And it wasn't ads, but was a search feature, so it wasn't quite that bad, though it was still, "You did WHAT?" They learned their lesson.)
[00:58] <arraybolt3[m]> If you want to, that's great. Whatever works for you.
[00:59] <gman787> Nice folks, here.
[00:59] <oerheks> you could install mint, but they hate snaps
[00:59] <oerheks> !snap
[00:59] <arraybolt3[m]> Aside from the occasional spammer who decides to post crazy stuff - when someone comes on with some hateful hurtful disruptive message, type "!ops" into the channel, that will get someone do to something about it.
[01:00] <gman787> Watched a Chris Titus video on YouTube the other day and he was very critical of snap packages, for reason I do not recall.
[01:01] <arraybolt3[m]> I'll sum it up like this - The best advantages are also the worst disadvantages. You get portability and security at the expense of speed and versatility.
[01:02] <gman787> I'm a quirky old guy - I've always used older hardware, so, performance kinda matters.
[01:02] <arraybolt3[m]> So, in Ubuntu 22.04, they changed Firefox from being an apt package to a Snap package. It now starts up somewhat slower, and some features don't work because of the Snap isolation, but at the same time, if someone hacks the browser they have a very hard time getting into the rest of your system, in theory.
[01:02] <arraybolt3[m]> (But you can always uninstall the Snap version of Firefox and install it through apt instead.)
[01:03] <gman787> Chris titus talked about that, specifically.  if something is slightly slower it's not a deal breaker for me
[01:03] <oerheks> all those snap experts,  are outdated. snap has a permission menu in ubuntu, perfect.
[01:03] <arraybolt3[m]> The slower startup only happens the first time you open the browser after a reboot or update. After that it's just fine. And if you don't need features that integrate with the OS, it works just fine.
[01:03] <oerheks> all browsers start slow on startup.
[01:03] <oerheks> lolz
[01:04] <arraybolt3[m]> (Funny you should mention older hardware - I'm also using older hardware. I figure, if it's fast enough and isn't falling apart, use it.)
[01:04] <gman787> Interesting insights.   SO crazy - I was cleaning up an old hard drive and installed an ancient version of mIrc for WIndows....using Wine.  The, I updated the thing - on Linux.  Kind of a screwy approach, when there's a client like hexchat.
[01:04] <oerheks> old hardware + SSD is fine... else, yes, things take a while
[01:05] <gman787> I'm still using SATA drives.
[01:05] <arraybolt3[m]> Spinning disks or solid-state SATA?
[01:05] <gman787> Spinning - like the Dark Ages.
[01:05] <arraybolt3[m]> (If you've got "real" hard drives, you might consider trying out Lubuntu, it's more lightweight than full-on Ubuntu. Disclaimer: I'm a Lubuntu contributor.)
[01:06] <gman787> I've messed with Lubuntu and really thought it was great.
[01:06] <arraybolt3[m]> Hey, spinning disks work. Yeah, they're a bit slower sometimes, but they work.
[01:06] <Bashing-om> gman787: I too run old hardware - I find the (X)ubuntu spin does admirably :D
[01:07] <gman787> Yep - Lubuntu was very fast....as I recall.  Even on my crappy old hardware.
[01:08] <gman787> Straight Ubuntu felt a bit heavy with my duo-core, 3.2ghz processor and 8 gig of RAM
[01:08] <gman787> Been a long time since I tried it - may give it a go.
[01:09] <arraybolt3[m]> I wouldn't go for straight Ubuntu - it's still the heaviest of the family AFAICT.
[01:09] <gman787> That was how it felt to me.....
[01:09] <gman787> brb - Need to wipe my hands after a greasy burger.  My wife is trying to clog another artery....lol
[01:09] <taholmes160> im getting lots of errors about network unreachable on my ubuntu machine, but I can ping out -- what else should I be looking at?
[01:10] <arraybolt3[m]> taholmes160: Are you using a mobile hotspot (like a Franklin T9 or the like) by any chance?
[01:10] <taholmes160> nope -- wired internet connection
[01:11] <arraybolt3[m]> taholmes160: Hmm. Did you tweak anything network related? If so, try booting a live USB and see if everything resolves there.
[01:11] <taholmes160> nope -- not at all
[01:11] <oerheks> router log?
[01:12] <oerheks> journalctrl could help too
[01:12] <taholmes160> im gonna try rebooting and see what happens
[01:12] <taholmes160> ok
[01:15] <gman787> Does using Lubuntu make you certifiable as a member or am I still a leper?
[01:15] <arraybolt3[m]> No, you're not a leper. Lubuntu membership is for if you make a significant and sustained contribution to the development of the distro, however.
[01:15] <arraybolt3[m]> (I've been working on getting Lubuntu membership for the last few months - I still have another few months to go.)
[01:16] <arraybolt3[m]> (But there's no such thing as "leper" in the community - that's just sad. Users are valued by the whole community - if there were no users of the distros, what would even be the point?!?)
[01:16] <gman787> Hmmm.  Do you mean financial support....I'm not a coder.
[01:17] <arraybolt3[m]> No, it's stuff like working on the OS itself.
[01:17] <oerheks> start with registering on launchpad
[01:17] <gman787> Okay.
[01:17] <arraybolt3[m]> (Like helping to write missing documentation, reporting bugs, offering tech support, etc.)
[01:17] <gman787> Okay - thannks arraybolt
[01:18] <gman787> Completely reasonable stuff.
[01:18] <arraybolt3[m]> It's really fun when you get into it, but it can be a bit intense at times :)
[01:19] <gman787> ELementary is not popular with many, I know.  Been messing with it for about 4 months.
[01:19] <arraybolt3[m]> gman787: If you're interested, here's Lubuntu's official "how to contribute" page: https://manual.lubuntu.me/stable/B/Contributing.html
[01:20] <gman787> Thanks.....book,arked the page.  I will check it out later, though
[01:21] <gman787> Well, peace and love from Michigan.  Life is short - be nice to each other.  I am going to try hexchat.
[01:24] <gman787> Managed to replicate my login with Hexchat - I'm surprised.  Lot of butons, etc.
[01:24] <remote> hexchat is the best
[01:25] <remote> looks old but is good
[01:25] <Bashing-om> gman787: \o/ progress made :D
[01:25] <gman787> Like a dope I had install mIrc for Windows with Wine - no idea what I'm doing.
[01:26] <gman787> Going to try Lubuntu tonight.
[01:26] <arraybolt3[m]> Hey, we all do stuff that we look at and think, "Why?" You should've seen some of the epic boffos I've made in the past.
[01:27] <gman787> Ha ha.   I had a ton of old Windows programs on a hard drive and an ancient version of mIrc.  Just wondered if it would install and work.
[01:27] <gman787> The old version launched once - that was it.  I updated the thing and it actually worked fine...on Linux.
[01:28] <arraybolt3[m]> Lots of stuff will work in Wine. And if something goes really wrong it's easy enough to reset your whole entire Wine part of your system (which uninstalls all Windows apps but also gets your Wine back into a sane state).
[01:28] <gman787> Yep.  You can wreck your wine install and it's no big deal.
[01:28] <oerheks> there is wine, winetricks, POL, bottles..
[01:29] <gman787> I ran some karaoke software with wine a month or so ago - some Windows thing.  Was really surprised it worked fine.
[01:30] <gman787> I'm kind of a "What does that button do?" kinda guy....or, "Could this possibly work.....?"
[01:30] <arraybolt3[m]> Me too! Though I've broken a lot of systems that way. How old is your system? There's a trick you can use to avoid blowing everything up if your system's new enough.
[01:31] <gman787> You mean the hardware.....or what?
[01:31] <arraybolt3[m]> The hardware.
[01:32] <gman787> Well, I'm a Compaq Elite 8804 or something like that - it's circa 2009.  Old.
[01:32] <gman787> 8 gig of RAM.
[01:32] <oerheks> 4 in a minimum now, that is oke
[01:32] <gman787> I should sell some of this junk and buy one, up-tp-date computer
[01:32] <oerheks> !specs
[01:33] <gman787> Cool - thanks for the link
[01:33] <oerheks> it all depends on the GPU
[01:33] <arraybolt3[m]> gman787: Do you know how to dig around in the BIOS of your computer?
[01:33] <gman787> Yeah - well, this is dual core with 8 gig.  So, I mean, it would certainly run.
[01:33] <gman787> Yep on the BIOS
[01:34] <arraybolt3[m]> gman787: Enable Hardware Virtualization on your system, then install GNOME Boxes and run a second copy of Linux inside a virtual machine. That way you can contain any damage you do with a "Hey, what happens if I do XYZ" inside the VM and keep your main system untouched.
[01:35] <gman787> Oh yeah.  I know how to install VirtualBox.  You can freely destroy those things at no cost...lol
[01:35] <remote> boxes is cool. just click the plus and pick a distro. it downloads it and installs it
[01:36] <gman787> Virtual machines runs horribly on this computer, though.
[01:36] <arraybolt3[m]> Ah, OK. Then you already know that trick. (Man, VMs are way more common than I thought. I was so amazed when I first saw one in action, and now am always like, "Guys, you've GOT to use this VM thingy!" And every single person I tell about it already knows about it.)
[01:36] <gman787> Yeah, well you never know what a person knows.   It;s always good to offer the info.
[01:37] <gman787> I was always into the server possibilities with Linux - I install web and mail servers and compile everything, pretty much.
[01:38] <gman787> Strictly a hobby
[01:38] <gman787> I can have an idea, post it on a Wordpress site, and someone on the other side of the world can see it.  just find it interesting
[01:39] <arraybolt3[m]> I know right? Really cool.
[01:39] <gman787> It's my hunting and fishing.  Just fun....
[01:40] <gman787> I've got Postfix running with certificates and the whole nine yards.  Again - for NO sensible reason.
[01:40] <gman787> That's on another box.
[01:40] <arraybolt3[m]> (Gentle nudge to #ubuntu-offtopic:libera.chat)
[01:42] <gman787> Okay.  I kinda figured out Hexchat.  Thanks for bending the rules and I will leave you folks to have some fun.  Peace.
[03:22] <Tamil> hi all .. வணக்கம் மக்களே!
[03:22] <arraybolt3[m]> Tamil: Hello! How can we help you?
[03:24] <Tamil> just installed ubuntu and exploring.. nothing as of now
[03:24] <Tamil> any broadcasting software for ubuntu.. like radioboss or sam?
[03:25] <arraybolt3[m]> Tamil: OBS Studio might be a good start. Also, you might look into IceCast.
[03:25] <arraybolt3[m]> (I've used SAM Broadcaster, but I'm not sure what good alternatives Linux has - OBS is the closest I can think of and it's not exactly close. I know IceCast is somehow related.)
[03:26] <Tamil> i do use both.. but i need something clientside
[03:31] <Tamil> sorry got dc
[03:31] <arraybolt3[m]> No problem. Still looking for broadcaster solutions
[03:31] <Tamil> yes
[03:35] <arraybolt3[m]> Tamil: So far I've found IDJC and OpenBroadcaster - sadly both look like you'll need to compile them from source.
[03:35] <arraybolt3[m]> https://openbroadcaster.com/resource/open-source-code/
[03:35] <arraybolt3[m]> https://idjc.sourceforge.io/install_build.html
[03:35] <oerheks> https://snapcraft.io/obs-studio
[03:37] <Tamil> ok ill try to compile.
[03:38] <Tamil> any tutorials?
[03:38] <arraybolt3[m]> Tamil: Looking...
[03:38] <arraybolt3[m]> https://idjc.sourceforge.io/install_build.html This is the main guide.
[03:40] <Tamil> ok
[03:40] <arraybolt3[m]> Tamil: One thing real quick...
[03:40] <arraybolt3[m]> Tamil: Install "checkinstall" before you get started.
[03:40] <oerheks> lolz, cad 995 https://openbroadcaster.com/products/service/server-and-player-assurance-and-vip-support/
[03:41] <arraybolt3[m]> Tamil: Then, when you get to a part that says to run "sudo make install", run "sudo checkinstall" instead.
[03:41] <arraybolt3[m]> oerheks: Even Ubuntu charges if you want Ubuntu Advantage.
[03:42] <arraybolt3[m]> And not everyone needs Ubuntu Advantage (in fact almost no one needs it), so we all use Ubuntu for free.
[03:42] <Tamil> of course yes
[03:46] <oerheks> come on, ESM is free for private use
[03:46] <arraybolt3[m]> oerheks: LOL true. I was just saying, it's not unreasonable to charge for support when the software is free and open source.
[03:47] <oerheks> even vlc can stream
[03:48] <arraybolt3[m]> oerheks: Having used SAM Broadcaster, I have some idea as to what Tamil is probably looking for... and VLC don't cut it.
[03:50] <Tamil> you are right array
[03:50] <arraybolt3[m]> SAM was awfully cool. Frustrating, but cool.
[04:34] <transhumanist> anyone use the nala apt front end. I worry about trying it for lack of trust in the source
[04:35] <lotuspsychje> transhumanist: the volunteers cant advice about packages outside the apt repos
[04:35] <lotuspsychje> transhumanist: maybe start a topic in #ubuntu-discuss ?
[04:36] <transhumanist> ok thanks
[04:54] <Liblx> hello, is there any way to automatically sync to have safari bookmarks in firefox bookmarks or just as .html or anything else?
[05:08] <remote> i think were under attack
[06:52] <anourzad> hello all
[07:42] <vanessa> Hi. I have Ubuntu 22.04 LTS.
[07:42] <vanessa> To what groups do I add a new user to so that they can do sudo?
[07:43] <vanessa> also `su -` is broken.
[07:44] <alocer> vanessa: adm, sudo
[07:44] <vanessa> thank you alocer
[08:16] <alkisg> vanessa: su - isn't broken; it needs a root password, and by default there's none. If you set one, it'll be accepted.
[08:17] <ikonia> should really be using sudo, the whole locked root password is a core part of the security system in ubuntu
[08:18] <vanessa> so, switching to root to do privileged operation is not recommended?
[08:18] <ikonia> correct
[08:19] <vanessa> ok, thanks.
[08:24] <alkisg> vanessa: of course you need to switch to root. But to do so, you'd use `sudo -i` and not `su -`, in order to avoid root having a password
[08:25] <alkisg> The idea is that "a known username, like root, is more easily exploitable". Not everyone agrees, e.g. Debian still uses root, but anyway that's the situation
[08:26] <alkisg> (and by default, ssh root@machine using passwords is disabled in both debian and ubuntu)
[08:27] <vanessa> I just sshed into a root account running Ubuntu 22.04 LTS and it went through
[08:28] <alkisg> This is the default in /etc/ssh/sshd_config: #PermitRootLogin prohibit-password
[08:28] <vanessa> anyway to remove that root password
[08:28] <alkisg> If you manually changed it, then that's why it accepted it
[08:29] <vanessa> the guy who installed Ubuntu probably did that.
[08:29] <alkisg> sudo passwd -d -l root
[08:31] <vanessa> ok. I edited sshd_config and removed that root password. that was going to be a public facing server.
[08:43] <amaroq> Hello...have issue with Software Update. In Terminal, sudo apt update shows "All packages are up-to-date." However, when I open Software Update it shows something available for update in the Update tab. When I click to update error message shows
[08:44] <amaroq> It shows Snap Store 41.3-59 wants updating
[08:44] <amaroq> ...56.9MB
[08:46] <amaroq> Error message: Unable to update "Snap Store": (null): cannot refresh "snap-store":snap "snap-store" has running apps (ubuntu-software),pids:2074
[08:50] <lotuspsychje> amaroq: can you try a snap refresh in your terminal please?
[08:51] <amaroq> @lotuspsychje, sure thing...can you tell me how, please?...sorry
[08:52] <lotuspsychje> amaroq: open your fav terminal and type: snap refresh
[08:52] <amaroq> :)
[08:53] <amaroq> I've been away from Ubuntu and Linux for a few years...commands and terminal were never my strong suite but that's an easy one to remember ))
[08:54] <vanessa> amaroq: this snap thing is also new to Ubuntu.
[08:54] <vanessa> it didn't have snap back in the days. we always used apt-get.
[08:54] <vanessa> these days it is a little confusing which one to use: apt or snap.
[08:55] <lotuspsychje> vanessa: lets save discussions for #ubuntu-discuss or #ubuntu-offtopic please
[08:55] <amaroq> @vanessa, yea, both snap and flatpaks are new to me...I don't know what the deal is. In my time it was just synaptic and deb packages mostly and ppa's
[08:56] <vanessa> lotuspsychje: sorry. didn't know snap was offtopic here :(
[08:56] <amaroq> So, snap refresh is showing "All snaps up to date." However, the Software app is still showing sometehing available for update?
[08:58] <lotuspsychje> vanessa: we try to divide support questions & discussions here
[08:58] <lotuspsychje> amaroq: what about snap refresh snap-store ?
[08:58] <tomreyn> vanessa: snap is on topic here. discussions are not, but if you're looking for guidance, that's entirely a support topic, and thus on topic.
[08:58] <amaroq> If it doesn't cause a problem or break anything I don't mind, so far so good, just thought I should report it as it's odd. I prefer it not asking for updating
[09:00] <lotuspsychje> amaroq: also wich ubuntu release is this, i just tested snap-store on 22.04 says up to date here
[09:01] <tomreyn> vanessa: so current ubuntu releases use both, apt and snap. some packages have moved from apt to snap. some of them moved because it's easier to maintain them that way, and thus provide timely updates. that's primarily web browsers (firefox and chromium).
[09:01] <amaroq> @lotuspsychje, snap refresh snap-store in Terminal returns: error: cannot refresh "snap-store": snap "snap-store" has running apps
[09:01] <amaroq>        (ubuntu-software), pids: 2074
[09:02] <lotuspsychje> amaroq: close snap-store and re-launch, then try again
[09:02] <tomreyn> vanessa: that's also why the ubuntu software application supports both (apt and snap). apt packages which have moved to snap can still be installed via apt, but this will result in the snap packages getting installed.
[09:03] <vanessa> ok. so I am trying to install a package whose snap is upto date but the apt is not. But snap is complaining about some classic confinement error and want me to use the --classic flag.
[09:03] <tomreyn> vanessa: the snap ecosystem also provides many packages provided by third parties - in varying quality.
[09:04] <vanessa> what is the risk if I use --classic?
[09:04] <amaroq> @lotuspsychje, same error message persists. Another message popped up and quickly disappeared saying I had 13 days left?
[09:04] <tomreyn> vanessa: it removes most containment, i.e. this package will be able to make any changes on your system, just like any apt package
[09:05] <lotuspsychje> amaroq: try this: ps -e | grep snap-store #id blocking process
[09:05] <lotuspsychje> amaroq: then kill #id
[09:05] <lotuspsychje> sudo snap refresh
[09:06] <vanessa> tomreyn: that is a text editor, so I must be able to edit system files. I think --classic will do no harm here.
[09:09] <amaroq> @lotuspsychje, just kill #id ...nothing after it? Terminal is giving me options
[09:10] <tomreyn> vanessa: i can't make this decision for you. here's my personal perspective on this, as you seem to be looking for more: i would trust all (or almost all) apt packages from the repositories ubuntu provides by default to not do harm. i have the same expectation for *some* snaps.
[09:10] <lotuspsychje> amaroq: can you pastebin the options please
[09:12] <amaroq> @lotuspsychje, https://pastebin.com/K4HTPWuE
[09:12] <vanessa> where do the files for snap packages exist? I cannot find them under /usr/share
[09:13] <tomreyn> vanessa: /snap
[09:13] <amaroq> @tomreyn, where to flatpaks fit into all this?
[09:13] <lotuspsychje> amaroq: no, did you get options after typing; ps -e | grep snap-store #id blocking process
[09:15] <tomreyn> amaroq: somewhere between the two, i guess. some confinement, but much less than snap, more openness and transparency than snap.
[09:15] <amaroq> @lotuspsychje, https://pastebin.com/ecVqryyc
[09:15] <tomreyn> amaroq: this is my personal opinion
[09:16] <vanessa> tomreyn: inside /snap there is this directory called 56. will that change in an update? I want to symlink a file in .config to one inside 56.
[09:16] <amaroq> hrmmm...does it make a difference if I install my app, say Brave browser as a snap, or flatpak? Can we install using different methods interchangeably?
[09:17] <lotuspsychje> amaroq: try; killall snap-store   then snap refresh
[09:18] <lotuspsychje> amaroq: seems like you're having bug #1978236
[09:19] <lotuspsychje> amaroq: click 'this bug affects me' in the left upper corner please
[09:19] <tomreyn> vanessa: 56 is the snap revision, also seen on the "snap list" output. the respective snap revision is read-only mounted there, i.e. making changes there won't work.
[09:20] <amaroq> @lotuspsychje, after killall snap-store it went to work and Terminal came back: snap-store (stable/ubuntu-22.04) 41.3-60-gfe4703a from Canonical✓ refreshed
[09:20] <amaroq> Unfortunately, when I open Software the bugger is still there ((
[09:20] <tomreyn> vanessa: and yes, the directory will change to where the 'current' symlink points to
[09:21] <vanessa> so, it is better to symlink to /snap/package/current/path/to/file rather than /snap/package/56/path/to/file
[09:21] <lotuspsychje> amaroq: 'the bugger'?
[09:22] <tomreyn> vanessa: yes, if you want to point to the latest
[09:22] <amaroq> @lotuspsychje, sorry, I mean the snap update request )) to click on this bug affects me in the left hand corner I need to be registered and logged in, correct?
[09:23] <lotuspsychje> amaroq: yes, needs a launchpad account, logged in indeed
[09:23] <amaroq> @lotuspsychje, ok, I'll do that. Thx, every so much for helping
[09:23] <lotuspsychje> welcome
[09:24] <vanessa> tomreyn: thank you.
[09:24] <amaroq> ...I thought we had it when Terminal came back stating snap-store is refreshed
[09:24] <ogra> vanessa, never do any symlinking in snap directories ... you will confuse the packaging system ... !
[09:24] <tomreyn> you're welcome, vanessa. and ogra knows snap much, much better than i do.
[09:25] <ogra> vanessa, see "snap help" ... and particulary "snap help revert" ... to go back to a former version on disk
[09:25] <tomreyn> ogra: it's not *in* but *towards* snap mounts, though
[09:26] <vanessa> my text editor's rc file usually resides in /usr/share now that I installed the editor with snap, I have to symlink to the /snap directory for my editor to read the rc file. no?
[09:26] <tomreyn> ogra: vanessa wasn not discussing modifying the 'current' yamlinks or creating/modifying any below /snap, from what i understood
[09:26] <ogra> ah, sorry ... thats what i understood above
[09:27] <tomreyn> ogra: vanessa was not discussing modifying the 'current' symlinks or creating/modifying any below /snap, from what i understood  << some typos fixed
[09:27] <vanessa> ln -s /snap/kakoune/current/usr/local/share/kak/autoload ~/.config/kak/autoload is the exact command I used. Will that cause a problem?
[09:28] <tomreyn> we'd need to know how "kak" works to know for sure, but my guess is: this is fine
[09:28] <tomreyn> it shouldn't cause problems for snapd anyways
[09:29] <ogra> vanessa, snap packages have their home under ~/snap/<snapname>/current/ ... apparmor in the kernel will disallow any access outside this dir ... so if you symlik something from outside into the "current" dir it will just cause an error
[09:30] <ogra> that said ... the above is not true for "classic" snaps ... (most editors are classic) but even there you should instead copy the file to not confuse the rollback system ... snapd copies configs back and forth during a refresh or rollback action
[09:30] <vanessa> tomreyn: kak's global rc file (for all users) usually stays in /usr/share/kak and the user-specific rc lies in ~/.config/kak but the autoload file has to be symlinked to the /usr/share/kak file.
[09:30] <ogra> symlinks are almost always ot he answer to a snap problem
[09:31] <ogra> vanessa, for global configs have a look in /var/snap/<snapname>/current ...
[09:31] <ogra> this is where your editor shoudl store its global bits and pieces ... *if* it was packaged properly
[09:33] <vanessa> ogra: there is nothing in /var/snap/kakoune/current but the files are present in /snap/kakoune/current
[09:33] <ogra> the later dir is a loop mount of a readonly filesystem image ... you wont be able to change them
[09:33] <tomreyn> vanessa: i guess we don't know for sure whether the kak snap will, unconfined as i think you said it is, still try to access $HOME/.config/kak or actually some location below $HOME/snaps/kak/current/
[09:34] <tomreyn> *kakoune
[09:35] <ogra> by default $HOME points to ~/snap/<snapname>/current for every snap ... but "classic" (unconfined) snaps *can* access places outside of this
[09:35] <vanessa> yes, my editor had to be installed with --classic flag.
[09:35] <ogra> right, most editors do
[09:36] <vanessa> so you are saying that /snap/kakoune/current is readonly?
[09:37] <vanessa> then the application it self cannot read that directory?
[09:37] <vanessa> * edit?
[09:37] <ogra> right
[09:38] <ogra> snaps are readonly, gpg signed squashfs image files that do never get unpacked ... the gt loop mounted into their respective subdir in /snap
[09:38] <ogra> (imagine an iso)
[09:39] <ogra> goos habit for a snap packager is to have a lanch wrapper that copies configs into /var/snap/<snapname>/current an make the app use them from there so the user can edit it
[09:40] <vanessa> then the package maintainer, dude named lukewh, probably packaged it wrong?
[09:40] <ogra> but looking at https://github.com/Lukewh/kakoune-snap it does not do anything like that
[09:40] <pnwise> lol snap
[09:40] <ogra> right, you should fil an issue on the GH page
[09:40] <ogra> *file
[10:21] <alocer> does anyone know if package called 'oem-config-remaster' is still viable? the date goes back to 2010!
[10:22] <alocer> The only problem this packages has, it's still using aufs and not switched to overlay yet!
[10:23] <alocer> i wish there was something like this script to make remastering isos really easy :)
[11:05] <iomari891> greetings, is there an alternative to fprintd? It doesn't seem to be working well.
[11:11] <lotuspsychje> !info fprintd
[11:12] <lotuspsychje> iomari891: maybe share whats not working exactly with the volunteers, someone might have ideas
[11:47] <graingert[m]> kudos to y'all the ubuntu 22.04 is a cracking release
[11:48] <graingert[m]> all my hardware just works it's a marvel
[11:50] <graingert[m]> also firefox wayland support was only two clicks away
[11:57] <Maik> graingert[m]: glad you like it. Though i don't get the FF wayland support being two clicks away when FF is already the default browser on Ubuntu and running well under wayland.
[11:59] <vanessa> Maik: I never had good experience with Wayland. It consumes a lot of resources and it made my Threadripper crawl.
[11:59] <Maik> vanessa: it doesn't
[12:02] <ogra> it really depends, unlike Xorg wayland really depends on the GL stack of your hardware, so if your derivers are not 100% properly set up and it falls back to i.. LLVMpipe it can indeed crawl
[12:02] <ogra> *drivers
 "graingert: glad you like it..." <- it's blury ootb
[12:11] <graingert[m]> > <@Maik:libera.chat> graingert: glad you like it. Though i don't get the FF wayland support being two clicks away when FF is already the default browser on Ubuntu and running well under wayland.
[12:11] <graingert[m]>  * it's blurry ootb
[12:11] <graingert[m]> I have to enable the beta channel to unblur it
[12:11] <graingert[m]> also I don't want apps like xeyes to see where my mouse is when I'm using firefox
[12:13] <Maik> graingert[m]: Blurry? Never had that issue on my system which is running Wayland from the first day on when i installed 22.04 LTS
[12:13] <graingert[m]> I have per-output fractional scaling
[12:14] <Maik> graingert[m]: are you actually using the snap version of Firefox or did you remove snap and installed FF manually?
[12:14] <graingert[m]> which I've only ever managed to get working with wayland and firefox on ubuntu
[12:14] <graingert[m]> I'm using the snap
[12:15] <graingert[m]> on the beta channel
[12:15] <graingert[m]> which was fine
[12:15] <graingert[m]> on the old ubuntu I had to add a flag and set a boolean and fiddle around
[12:16] <graingert[m]> and the windows bitlocker support is AMAZING
[12:17] <graingert[m]> it feels like MS Windows stopped focusing on UX and started focusing on dev, and canonical fedora and a whole bunch of people just sorted out UX in linux
[12:19] <graingert[m]> eg gestures animations are locked to the interaction on ubuntu and on windows they are triggered on the falling edge
[12:53] <mariosdaskalas> I am using Xubuntu 22.04 64 bit. I have a hybrid GPU with Intel HD 4000 and Nvidia Geforce 640M LE. I have an external monitor that supports max 2560x1440 (Dell S2721DS). The problem is I can get it up to 2048x1080 Any help?
[12:55] <lotuspsychje> mariosdaskalas: what gives sudo lshw -C video please
[13:04] <mariosdaskalas> @lotuspsychje: https://pastebin.com/MqyfA8S3
[13:05] <lotuspsychje> mariosdaskalas: ok, both drivers seem to be loaded properly, can you check nvidia-settings if your card is set on powersaving mode or performance mode?
[13:06] <mariosdaskalas> @lotuspsychje: Perfomance
[13:09] <lotuspsychje> mariosdaskalas: ok tnx, wich driver version is loaded on your nvidia? nvidia-smi
[13:10] <mariosdaskalas> @lotuspsychje: https://pastebin.com/pM3BtpkA
[13:11] <lotuspsychje> mariosdaskalas: maybe you can compare with another driver version (if any is available, ubuntu-drivers list)
[13:12] <mariosdaskalas> @lotuspsychje: nvidia-driver-418-server, (kernel modules provided by linux-modules-nvidia-418-server-generic)
[13:12] <mariosdaskalas> nvidia-driver-390, (kernel modules provided by linux-modules-nvidia-390-generic)
[13:12] <lotuspsychje> right, thats not gonna work then
[13:15] <mariosdaskalas> @lotuspsychje: On a different laptop that uses Windows 10, the max resolution works fine. It uses Nvidia 940M
[13:15] <lotuspsychje> mariosdaskalas: your card shows max res 3840 x 2160Maximum Digital Resolution
[13:16] <mariosdaskalas> @lotuspsychje: Both of these laptops use hybrid gpu
[13:16] <mariosdaskalas> @lotuspsychje: yeah, I know. :)
[13:16] <lotuspsychje> maybe with xrandr tweak?
[13:16] <mariosdaskalas> @lotuspsychje: Care to guide?
[13:18] <lotuspsychje> mariosdaskalas: https://linuxconfig.org/how-to-configure-your-monitors-with-xrandr-in-linux
[13:19] <mariosdaskalas> @lotuspsychje: xrandr does not show up max resolution. Should I apply it anyway?
[13:21] <webchat66> Hello. I’m seeing what I think is a bug in Ubuntu 20’s kernel NFS server: when I have a file owned by $user:$user, a process that runs $user:$user/$mail is unable to chown() that file to $user:$mail. This works when I mount kernel NFS from AlmaLinux 8, but not with Ubuntu 20. pcap shows the same RFC/NFS4 request being sent, and both shares are
[13:21] <webchat66> set up identically in /etc/exports. Is it possible this is a regression introduced somewhere between AL8’s kernel (4.18) and U20’s (5.4)? Thank you!
[13:22] <lotuspsychje> mariosdaskalas: if your card supports it, i think that might work
[13:22] <mariosdaskalas> @lotuspsychje: xrandr --output HDMI-1-1 --mode 2560x1440
[13:22] <mariosdaskalas> @lotuspsychje: xrandr: cannot find mode 2560x1440
[13:22] <lotuspsychje> hmm
[13:24] <m1dnight> I'm trying to configure exim smarthost to forward external mail to a mail address, and everything works, except the To header. It's missing from the mail.
[13:25] <m1dnight> I guess i missed something obvious but my google foo is not strong enough to find it
[13:32] <lotuspsychje> mariosdaskalas: try xrandr --addmode ...
[13:39] <lotuspsychje> mariosdaskalas: there's a little tool lxrandr aswell, but prob only to set existing modes
[13:40] <lotuspsychje> !info lxrandr
[13:41] <EriC^^> mariosdaskalas: any mode you want in "xrandr -q" output?
[14:12] <mariosdaskalas> EriC^^: 2560x1440
[14:12] <mariosdaskalas> EriC^^: 2560x1440 60HZ
[14:16] <EriC^^> mariosdaskalas: that's in the output of xrandr -q?
[14:17] <mariosdaskalas> EriC^^: https://askubuntu.com/questions/377937/how-do-i-set-a-custom-resolution
[14:17] <EriC^^> mariosdaskalas: it might work to just do 'xrandr -s 2560x1440'
[14:17] <mariosdaskalas> @EriC^^: I followed this guide and the output of xrandr -q is: https://pastebin.com/V7QHLKh3
[14:18] <mariosdaskalas> @EriC^^: Size 2560x1440 not found in available modes
[14:20] <EriC^^> mariosdaskalas: try xrandr --output HDMI-1-1 --mode 2560x1440_60.00
[14:20] <mariosdaskalas> @EriC^^: xrandr: Configure crtc 0 failed
[14:22] <xheimlich> when I upgraded from 18.04 to 20.04 (not 22) my keyboard layout stopped working correctly.
[14:23] <xheimlich> the backslash and such characters jumped out of place, but more seriously my 'a 'e accented characters are no longer working.
[14:23] <xheimlich> this was a while ago and I survived because I mostly use English or latex, but I really need this to work. I have a family to feed and all.
[14:24] <xheimlich> it looks right on gnome-control-center. but it doesn't work.
[14:25] <EriC^^> mariosdaskalas: it could be that over hdmi it can only do 30hz, try making another mode using 30 instead of 60
[14:25] <mariosdaskalas> @EriC^^: It tries to set up the resolution. Screen goes blank for a second and then reverts back
[14:25] <EriC^^> to test
[14:25] <xheimlich> I'm mostly comfortable with the command line. but I tend to write aliases and scripts for things like changing my screen brightness rather than memorizong what xmodmapbrightscreenset options need to be... so I'm lost.
[14:25] <mariosdaskalas> @eric okay
[14:26] <mariosdaskalas> @EriC^^: xrandr: cannot find mode 2560x1440_30.00
[14:27] <EriC^^> mariosdaskalas: did you run 'cvt 2560 1440 30' and add it?
[14:27] <mariosdaskalas> @EriC^^: I added it. cvt 2560 1440 30
[14:27] <mariosdaskalas> # 2560x1440 29.94 Hz (CVT) hsync: 43.95 kHz; pclk: 146.25 MHz
[14:27] <mariosdaskalas> Modeline "2560x1440_30.00"  146.25  2560 2680 2944 3328  1440 1443 1448 1468 -hsync +vsync
[14:28] <mariosdaskalas> @EriC^^: xrandr --output HDMI-1-1 --mode 2560x1440_30.00
[14:28] <mariosdaskalas> xrandr: cannot find mode 2560x1440_30.00
[14:28] <EriC^^> mariosdaskalas: what's the output of 'xrandr -q' ?
[14:28] <EriC^^> you can do xrandr -q | nc termbin.com 9999     to upload easily
[14:29] <mariosdaskalas> @EriC^^: https://pastebin.com/X7Wn3C2J
[14:30] <EriC^^> mariosdaskalas: xrandr --newmode "2560x1440_30.00" 146.25  2560 2680 2944 3328  1440 1443 1448 1468 -hsync +vsync
[14:30] <EriC^^> mariosdaskalas: then xrandr --addmode HDMI-1-1 2560x1440_30.00
[14:59] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[15:10] <mariosdaskalas> @EriC^^: It works. But with 30HZ it's a bit sluggish. Any work arounds?
[15:10] <mariosdaskalas> @EriC^^: This monitor also supports 75 HZ
[15:14] <mariosdaskalas> @EriC^^: In another laptop running Windows 10, it runs on 60 hz just fine.
[15:15] <mariosdaskalas> @EriC^^: with hdmi as well.
[15:16] <EriC^^> mariosdaskalas: ah, hmm maybe setting the crtc number different helps?
[15:16] <EriC^^> mariosdaskalas: see the output of "xrandr --verbose" and pastebin it in case it helps
[15:19] <mariosdaskalas> @EriC^^: https://termbin.com/mg2o
[15:19] <mariosdaskalas> @EriC^^: I tried setting up in 30hz and 75hz, with no luck
[15:20] <Mentos> 60hz??
[15:20] <mariosdaskalas> @Mentos: Yeah 60hz
[15:20] <mariosdaskalas> @Mentos: 60hz does not work.
[15:20] <mariosdaskalas> @Mentos: neither does 75
[15:20] <mariosdaskalas> @Mentos: 30 works
[15:20] <mariosdaskalas> @Mentos: but it's sluggish
[15:20] <Mentos> what driver
[15:21] <mariosdaskalas> @Mentos: ubuntu-drivers devices
[15:21] <mariosdaskalas> == /sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:01.0/0000:01:00.0 ==
[15:21] <mariosdaskalas> modalias : pci:v000010DEd00000FD3sv0000104Dsd0000909Cbc03sc00i00
[15:21] <mariosdaskalas> vendor   : NVIDIA Corporation
[15:21] <mariosdaskalas> model    : GK107M [GeForce GT 640M LE]
[15:21] <mariosdaskalas> driver   : nvidia-driver-418-server - distro non-free
[15:21] <EriC^^> mariosdaskalas: with windows and 60hz is it the exact hardware you're using same hdmi cable etc?
[15:22] <Mentos> so you're running the proprietary nvidia drivers
[15:25] <Mentos> Oh jeez and a 640M
[15:25] <Mentos> honestly I had very similar issues recently but with networking
[15:25] <Mentos> and the fix was the most bonkers thing i've ever done to get basic functionality (networking) working in my entire career
[15:25] <Mentos> and i've managed windows domains!
[15:25] <Mentos> xD
[15:25] <ogra> mariosdaskalas, any particular reason why you run the -server driver on a desktop machine ? (that is mainly for OpenCV, CUDA and *coin mining ...)
[15:26] <mariosdaskalas> @ogra No, it just sits there. :D
[15:26] <mariosdaskalas> @ogra: for some odd reason
[15:26] <ogra> heh
[15:27] <mariosdaskalas> On my Windows 10 machine I get 2560x1440 with 59.951 and 60.011 HZ
[15:27] <EriC^^> mariosdaskalas: alot of online threads mention usb-c needed for 4k 60hz
[15:27] <mariosdaskalas> @EriC^^: it's 2k
[15:27] <mariosdaskalas> @EriC^^: On windows with hdmi it works.
[15:28] <EriC^^> ok, just wanted to see if same cable and stuff
[15:29] <EriC^^> mariosdaskalas: try xrandr --output HDMI-1-1 --mode 2560x1440_60.00 --verbose
[15:31] <oerheks> i believe even though it works on windows, linux wants DP for that resolution and freq...
[15:33] <mariosdaskalas> @EriC^^: xrandr: cannot find mode 2560x1440_60.00
[15:35] <EriC^^> mariosdaskalas: xrandr --newmode "2560x1440_59" 305.50  2560 2744 3016 3472  1440 1443 1448 1492 -hsync +vsync
[15:36] <mariosdaskalas> @EriC^^: and then xrandr --addmode HDMI-1-1 2560x1440_59 ?
[15:37] <EriC^^> yup
[15:40] <mariosdaskalas> @EriC^^: It breaks and I need to do a reboot.
[15:40] <mariosdaskalas> @EriC^^: neither 59, not 60 works
[15:43] <EriC^^> ah
[15:44] <EriC^^> i wonder if when choosing the mode, adding something like --crct 1 helps
[15:44] <EriC^^> or maybe --verbose can show more info on why it's failing or so
[15:45] <lotuspsychje> im still trying to figure why his nvidia card doesnt allow his max mode
[15:47] <ioria> sometimes is the monitor EDID not been recognized  or read correctly ; it's about the monitor, i guess, not the OS or the driver
[15:47] <ioria> mariosdaskalas, have you checked in journal if the monitor EDID has been queried correctly ?
[15:47] <mariosdaskalas> @ioria no
[15:48] <ioria> mariosdaskalas, something like ' journalctl | grep -i edid' or 'EDID vendor'
[15:50] <Guest8699> hello
[15:50] <EriC^^> hello
[15:50] <lotuspsychje> welcome Guest8699
[15:51] <Guest8699> didn't expect anyone to be online lol
[15:52] <arraybolt3[m]> You'd be surprised.
[15:52] <arraybolt3[m]> Anything we can help you with?
[15:53] <Guest8699> Yes actually, I have lubuntu installed on my old laptop, but the touchpad settings don't work properly
[15:54] <arraybolt3[m]> OK, what in particular is failing to work? Which setting are you trying to set, and how is the touchpad misbehaving?
[15:57] <Guest8699> It says lxqt only supports "libinput" as it's xinput driver and that the current value is "synaptics"
[15:58] <Guest8699> it then refuses to let me change any settings
[15:58] <arraybolt3[m]> Weird, what window are you looking at? Mouse settings?
[15:58] <Guest8699> Mouse and Touchpad settings
[15:59] <arraybolt3[m]> OK, let me see what I can dig up...
[15:59] <arraybolt3[m]> Guest8699: OK, do you have an external mouse for in the event this goes wrong? I think I found a command that will fix it, but if it accidentally knocks the touchpad out entirely, we should have a backup plan.
[16:00] <Guest8699> I have an external mouse yes
[16:00] <arraybolt3[m]> (I don't think it will knock the touchpad out, but better safe than sorry.)
[16:01] <EriC^^> Guest8699: is libinput stuff installed? try    dpkg -l | grep -E "libinput|synaptic" | nc termbin.com 9999
[16:01] <EriC^^> paste the link it gives you here
[16:02] <Guest8699> https://termbin.com/417e
[16:02] <Guest8699> that's what it said
[16:02] <arraybolt3[m]> Guest8699: Try running "sudo apt remove xserver-xorg-input-synaptics"
[16:03] <EriC^^> yeah that might do it
[16:05] <Guest8699> It still gives me the error when loading mouse and touchpad settings, should I restart my computer?
[16:06] <arraybolt3[m]> Guest8699: I would.
[16:06] <Guest8699> aight
[16:09] <david_> The fix worked
[16:10] <Guest3783> The fix for the touchpad worked, thanks for the support!
[16:12] <arraybolt3[m]> Woot! Congrats!
[16:25] <alesan> hello
[16:27] <EriC^^> hello alesan
[16:31] <alesan> I have a virtual machine with ubuntu 21.10 that unfortunately expired recently
[16:32] <alesan> I was trying to upgrade it to the latest but
[16:32] <alesan> it seems the upgrade process is impossible - should I just format the virtual hard disk and reinstall it from scratch?
[16:33] <EriC^^> alesan: it's up to you, i think you can upgrade by changing the repos from archive.ubuntu.com to old-releases.ubuntu.com
[16:34] <EriC^^> then you might need to use "sudo do-release-upgrade -d" if without -d it doesnt work
[16:34] <alesan> I'd rather just upgrade for now, do you have a guide on how to do that? changing from archive to old-releases
[16:34] <EriC^^> alesan: type 'cat /etc/apt/sources.list | nc termbin.com 9999' and paste the link it gives you here
[16:49] <alesan> EriC^^, https://termbin.com/pns8
[16:50] <alesan> but that link does not work for me
[16:52] <ravage> there is no us.old-releases
[16:52] <ravage> remove the us.
[16:53] <KBar> hey all! so i have everything in one partition. i'd like to do a fresh install or maybe even try a different flavor. lets say that i dont have a device to backup to. how should i proceed? would repartitioning and having /home on a separate one help here? if so, how to do it cleanly?
[16:54] <alesan> ravage, thanks
[16:54] <alesan> ravage, hod did you access the link?
[16:54] <ravage> i clicked on it
[16:55] <alesan> does not work for me :(
[16:55] <alesan> termbin.com sent an invalid response.
[16:58] <InPhase> KBar: Be clearly advised that repartitioning is one of those things regarded as a risk of total data loss, and backups are advised before trying it.  As well as backups being advised at all times, because hard drives can and WILL fail on you.  It has been three weeks since I had one catastrophically fail on me, and I was saved by a recent backup, so not a hypothetical risk.
[16:59] <InPhase> KBar: That warning in place, yes, you should be able to shrink a partition down if there's enough free space on it, and create a /home partition in the new unpartitioned space, and then copy files over.
[16:59] <InPhase> KBar: But make sure to do a shrink, not a repartition without shrinking, or you will lose it all.
[17:00] <InPhase> KBar: gparted can do the resize, but you need to be in a live-boot mode with the disk not mounted to do this.
[17:00] <KBar> InPhase: I believe GParted from a live environment is the tool for it? First, resize the root partition, and then add a new one?
[17:01] <InPhase> KBar: Yeah.
[17:01] <KBar> InPhase: seems easy, but I'll heed your warning. Thank you.
[17:02] <InPhase> KBar: Note that external USB magnetic storage drives are getting very cheap now, and will suffice for a form of backup.
[17:04] <InPhase> KBar: Note also that if you don't want to commit to a different flavor, you can install Ubuntu variants directly to thumb drives and run them directly from thumb drives equivalently to real systems.  Installing to a thumb drive is different from live boot installers, as installing to a thumb drive is equivalent to a full hard drive install, just slightly slower at thumb drive speeds.
[17:04] <KBar> InPhase: I actually have one lying around with Windows on it. It's the laptop's own HDD. It's more of a hardware question, but is it possible to connect SATA to USB?
[17:04] <InPhase> KBar: This has gotten so convenient with thumb drive price drops, that I always carry a fully installed Xubuntu drive around in my pocket as a backup.
[17:05] <enigma9o7[m]> There are usb to sata adapters, yes.
[17:05] <KBar> InPhase: I usually try them out in a VM.
[17:06] <InPhase> KBar: I do that too, but one form of flex in doing that is using the VM to run the installer, and install to the thumb drive.  And then run the VM to boot the thumb drive and set things up without even needing to reboot.
[17:06] <KBar> InPhase: that's... flavorception?
[17:06] <InPhase> But then you'll probably want to boot from it at least once to make sure it works.  :)
[17:08] <KBar> enigma9o7[m]: cool, thanks!
[17:09] <enigma9o7[m]> ideally you'd want to use usb3 to avoid any bottlenecks, as usb2 is significantly slower than sata
[17:10] <enigma9o7[m]> (but would still work ok)
[17:10] <KBar> Well, if it's a backup drive, then that shouldn't really matter?
[17:10] <enigma9o7[m]> i guess if times not an issue
[17:40] <dreamon> hello. I changed clipboard behavior. highlighting some textparts, it copys this text into clipboard. I dont want this. dont know where to remove this
[17:41] <coconut>   
[17:42] <coconut> oops
[17:44] <ioria> dreamon, i think it depends on your clipboard (manager); check its settings ; might be : 'sync' or 'store'  or similar
[17:46] <dreamon> ioria, using xubuntu .. might be ists different?
[17:46] <ioria> dreamon, idk , sorry
[17:48] <ioria> dreamon, https://docs.xfce.org/panel-plugins/clipman/start
[17:52] <goddard> anyone know why I can't have high fidelity sound and use the Mic on my bluetooth headset?
[17:53] <arraybolt3[m]> goddard: Yep. Welcome to HFP versus ASDP.
[17:53] <arraybolt3[m]> goddard: One mode provides good audio and no mic. The other provides bad audio and a working mic. You can't have both at the same time. :(
[17:54] <goddard> bummer
[17:54] <arraybolt3[m]> ASDP is the good audio mode. HFP is the "wow do I have to listen to this but hey the mic works" mode.
[17:55] <goddard> yep
[17:57] <goddard> any future improvement hopes?
[18:03] <tomreyn> goddard: that's a bluetooth protocol design property. So future versions of the standard might change it - if they can ensure a higher total bandwidth so that both audio streams can transfer with high quality at the same time.
[18:07] <coconut>   
[18:08] <tomreyn> another oops?
[18:09] <ravage> just another coo-coo-nut
[18:19] <goddard> tomreyn: oh really?  So it will behave the same on android
[18:22] <tomreyn> goddard: on anything, as long as it's an implementation based on the same standard (protocol + version), yes.
[18:23] <ynot> any word on if ubuntu/linux will be involved in the new winamp?(dont know if you guys know what theyre doing over there.. monetizing artists for instance)
[18:24] <ikonia> I suggest you ask the developers of that product
[18:24] <ynot> i will do that.
[18:26] <ynot> mixxnet is the big nexus for that chat.
[19:08] <GunArm1> if I run `sfdisk -d /dev/sdm` and get some output ending with  `/dev/sdm1 : start=        2048, size= 11721041920`  what are the units of those numbers?  bytes? sectors?
[19:11] <GunArm1> i think (?) they are sectors because 2048 makes one meg for alignment which would be ~ 2048 * 512bytes
[19:13] <GunArm1> so basically my problem is, I need to take a new disk, and put exactly the same partition size on it as an existing raid member
[19:13] <sarnold> GunArm1: heh, yeah, I can't quite tell from the manpage what I'd expect :(
[19:14] <sarnold> GunArm1: you could grab the -d output and just feed that back into sfdisk and it'll accept it as input -- that'd at least save you the trouble of learning the units :)
[19:17] <GunArm1> thanks yeah that's what I was trying to do in the first place, which worked, except it copies the uuid of the disk and partition, which is probably not good.   and also I read somewhere sfdisk is not good for gpt and/or "large" file systems (no idea if that's true).  So I was hoping to make the partition with parted
[19:17] <GunArm1> i think it is 's' for the unit in parted for sector, will tias
[19:18] <rfm> q
[19:19] <tomreyn> GunArm1: see sfdisk(8), "INPUT FORMATS" -> "Unnamed-fields format".
[19:20] <tomreyn> it's not well expressed there either but a numerical value seems to be sectors in decimal notation.
[19:26] <GunArm1> thanks
[19:28] <GunArm1> well I probably did this ass-backwards but I got them to match by matching `sfdisk -d /sda` to `parted -s --align optimal /dev/sdm -- mklabel gpt mkpart primary ext4 ${sfdisk_start}s  $((sfdisk_size + sfdisk_start -1))s`
[19:44] <cluelessperson> GunArm1, what does align even do here?
[19:45] <sarnold> in this specific case, or in general?
[20:51] <luis220413> ddebs.ubuntu.com is returning HTTP 503 since at least July 12. This was reported in bug 1982652
[20:52] <luis220413> This is a severe issue needing immediate action.
[21:00] <ravage> the links in the report return 404 or work
[21:01] <ravage> http://ddebs.ubuntu.com/pool/main/a/apt/apt-dbgsym_2.5.2_armhf.ddeb
[21:01] <ravage> for example
[21:01] <BarnabasDK> you should download this via https
[21:02] <BarnabasDK> see the apt config
[21:03] <BarnabasDK> but I second the findings from ravage
[21:05] <luis220413> ravage: ddebs.ubuntu.com has an invalid certificate.
[21:06] <luis220413> When running wget on the InRelease file, I get this error: ERROR: no certificate subject alternative name matches requested host name ‘ddebs.ubuntu.com’.
[21:06] <luis220413> BarnabasDK: I will try even with the invalid certificate.
[21:06] <ravage> that is not part of the bug report?
[21:07] <ravage> and i don't even know if that server is supposed to be reachable via https
[21:07] <BarnabasDK> yes I was just checking the cert - thats actually even worse than the server being down
[21:08] <BarnabasDK> seeems to have an invalid letsencrypt cert
[21:09] <ravage> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Debug%20Symbol%20Packages
[21:09] <ravage> the docs say http
[21:09] <ravage> it has its own keyring
[21:09] <ravage> so there is not need for https just like with the archive mirrors
[21:10] <luis220413> BarnabasDK: Under HTTPS I get a 404 for the InRelease, Release and Release.gpg files. Under HTTP I get a 404 for the InRelease file and a 200 for Release and Release.gpg.
[21:11] <BarnabasDK> as ravage says you should use http - I do not understand why you would use that today though
[21:11] <luis220413> ravage: The keyring and GPG signatures provide authentication but I believe HTTPS is still needed to provide encryption of sensitive data (specifically, Ubuntu version, package names and versions, that are major assets for attackers).
[21:11] <BarnabasDK> but I suppose - as long as you get the checksum files securely
[21:12] <ravage> there are no sensitive data
[21:13] <luis220413> ravage: Why? That is a major edge for an attacker trying to break into your system. An attacker with access to your networks can know which packages and versions you have installed (and therefore vulnerabilities), and use those vulnerabilities to infect your system.
[21:13] <ravage> that is very unlikely
[21:13] <ravage> also
[21:13] <luis220413> BarnabasDK: That is authentication. I am talking about encryption.
[21:13] <ravage> !ot
[21:13] <webchat56> What happened to the Impish ubuntu repo?
[21:14] <ravage> !eol | webchat56
[21:14] <luis220413> webchat56: It was archived to old-releases.ubuntu.com
[21:15] <webchat56> Oh wow, time flies. Thank you very much, sorry to bother.
[21:15] <BarnabasDK> luis220413, apt downloads a checksum file for each package it fetches afaik - there is no authentication or authorization on the public repos
[21:16] <ravage> webchat56, maybe stick with the LTS release then :)
[21:17] <luis220413> BarnabasDK: Not quite: it downloads a binary package list with hashes of each package and a signed file with the hashes of those package lists and other files (source package lists, contents, translations, ...). That authenticates the packages in the sense that it ensures the packages have not been modified since the repository was signed.
[21:18] <luis220413> BarnabasDK, ravage: Authentication is ensured by the GPG signature on the InRelease or Release file and checksums on the packages. I am talking about encryption.
[21:18] <ravage> please use #ubuntu-discuss if you want do discuss this further
[21:18] <ravage> and keep this channel free for support questions
[21:18] <luis220413> ravage: OK
[21:41] <Sikici> I have an 14.04 machine I ssh to, no sudo access. tmux and htop does not start at all. What could be the problem?
[21:42] <sarnold> do you get any error messages or do they just hang?
[21:42] <Sikici> just hangs
[21:43] <sarnold> Sikici: any NFS?
[21:44] <Sikici> sarnold not that I'm aware of
[21:45] <sarnold> Sikici: dang. I liked that theory.
[21:45] <sarnold> Sikici: can you run dmesg? or does that hang too?
[21:46] <GunArm> so what happens, you can ssh to it and then you get a shell where certain things wont run?
[21:46] <Sikici> sarnold: I can run dmesg, should I paste its output?
[21:47] <sarnold> Sikici: please
[21:47] <Sikici> GunArm: tmux and htop, I haven't looked further yet.
[21:48] <Sikici> sarnold: http://ix.io/45C7
[21:51] <ravage> my first guess would be failing RAM
[21:51] <sarnold> Sikici: this machine probably needs a reboot, and a pass through pcmemtest would be a good idea
[21:52] <sarnold> Sikici: it's entirely possible someone was testing exploits on this, search for a.out in the logs -- that is probably someone compiling and running things directly on the machine
[21:52] <ravage> it also needs a bios upgrade and an upgrade of Ubuntu :D
[21:52] <arraybolt3[m]> I see a kernel oops - those are usually pretty bad signs IIRC.
[21:52] <sarnold> ravage: how'd you spot the need for a bios update so quickly?
[21:52] <arraybolt3[m]> ravage: They might be using ESM.
[21:52] <Sikici> I wish I had sudo access :)
[21:53] <ravage> was just scrolling. it's from 2018
[21:53] <ravage> HP may still offer updates
[21:54] <ravage> SMBIOS 2.8 present. [ 0.000000] DMI: Hewlett-Packard F5G73AV/2129, BIOS M60 v02.46 08/08/2018
[21:55] <Sikici> What should I tell my admin guy? Is it urgent?
[21:55] <ravage> the bios update is not that urgent but should be checked
[21:56] <arraybolt3[m]> Sikici: A kernel oops is pretty urgent. It could be any number of problems, but it's definitely not something to ignore.
[21:56] <ravage> a reboot is probably a good idea. and make sure you enable ESM for that thing https://ubuntu.com/security/esm
[21:56] <sarnold> the reboot ought to be done today; investigating and understanding who was running the a.out executable, and why, is important. that should be done today. pcmemtest can wait until the weekend, I think, along with bios update
[21:56] <ravage> reboot asap yes
[21:57] <arraybolt3[m]> Maybe also get your admin to make a backup before the thing dies in one way or another.
[21:58] <ravage> my suggestion is to make that backup and reinstall with the latest LTS if possible after hardware check and bios update
[21:58] <hggdh> it is interesting that the current boot happened around 2022-08-31 (which is, last I checked, still in the future_, and the OOPS happened 8.5M seconds after the boot; based on boot time, this is 2022-12-08...
[21:59] <sarnold> hggdh: who are you, the causality police?
[21:59]  * sarnold has some stuff to hide
[21:59] <hggdh> :-)
[21:59] <ravage> he is the time traveller
[21:59] <Sikici> auth.log is empty thats not a good sign, right?
[21:59] <ravage> it is not great
[22:00] <hggdh> indeed usually not a good sign
[22:00] <arraybolt3[m]> Well mine's got lots of stuff in it, so yeah that sounds bad.
[22:00] <hggdh> I would take the server offline, and have a more careful look at it
[22:00] <sarnold> yeah that's a bad sign; *sometimes* logrotate gets stupid and /var/log/hatever.log.0  is still being written to, and the 'new' file isn't getting any writes, but that's rare..
[22:01] <arraybolt3[m]> I'd back it up and then nuke it from orbit.
[22:01] <de-facto> why does nautilus not offer a way to access the root file system?
[22:02] <de-facto> the highest possible hierarchical directory it tries to sell me is my home, but i want /
[22:02] <sarnold> some gnome dialog boxes let you just start typing a / and navigate there
[22:02] <arraybolt3[m]> auth.log problems, random a.out executable running, kernel oops, unable to launch basic programs? Smells like malware.
[22:02] <sarnold> is nautilus like that? what happens if you type /?
[22:03] <arraybolt3[m]> de-facto: Go to "Other Locations", then double-click "Computer".
[22:03] <arraybolt3[m]> (Also sarnold's trick with the / works - just tried it.)
[22:04] <de-facto> wow thats hidden, can i just have / as origin for the path in the gui instead (like it was before)?
[22:04] <de-facto> (and yes i know i can type ctrl + L and enter the path with the keyboard, but then whats the point of a gui?)
[22:05] <de-facto> also previously i was able to add directories to the sidebar as favorites e.g. "Development" for projects
[22:05] <sarnold> does nautilus accept command line arguments? What happens if you run "nautilus /"? if that does what you want, you could make a new .desktop file for that
[22:06] <de-facto> where did that go?
[22:06] <de-facto> well yes it does, but then if i go into home, it *hides* all path above home
[22:06] <de-facto> lol wtf
[22:07] <sarnold> lol
[22:09] <Sikici> arraybolt3[m]: sent your helpful summary to my admin, cheers everyone
[22:09] <sarnold> good luck Sikici :)
[22:11] <de-facto> also nautilus almost has no settings anymore
[22:11] <de-facto> what happened to its codebase?
[22:11] <sarnold> that *is* the general trend of gnome software -- remove the things that they think complicate software
[22:12] <de-facto> is there a hidden menu somewhere with all the previous settings?
[22:12] <de-facto> ah so the root path of my computer now is too complicated for me to grasp?
[22:12] <sarnold> I have no idea about magic hidden settings menus but it feels unlikely to me; they're famous for removing features. there's a reason why mate and cinnamon and kde and xfce and so on are popular, too :)
[22:15] <de-facto> there is dconf org/gnome/nautilus/preferences/always-use-location-entry
[22:15] <de-facto> but then it is a text field, nothing clickable on it
[22:15] <de-facto> so they really removed clickable path navigation to the root without any replacement
[22:15] <de-facto> assumption: their users are too dumb to use the full computer, lets restrict them to their home folder
[22:15] <de-facto> yay thanks
[22:16] <de-facto> for some reason i like gnome less and less with every change they make
[22:18] <de-facto> next question: in previous versions of nautilus i could add directories to the sidebar
[22:18] <de-facto> how can i do that with the current version?
[22:19] <de-facto> i want a one click way to my ~/Development directory
[22:19] <ravage> drag them there
[22:20] <de-facto> it has no effect
[22:20] <de-facto> dragging it there makes it "fly back"
[22:21] <de-facto> i dont want to copy it into one folder that already exists there, i want the directory itself to appear in the sidebar, just as before when adding it to faorites
[22:21] <de-facto> but now the favorites are one entry there
[22:21] <de-facto> hence did they remove the feature to have directories in the sidebar too?
[22:21] <de-facto> are the existing ones hardcoded in the binary now?
[22:22] <ravage> https://p.haxxors.com/r76s43wc.webm
[22:22] <sarnold> what are the existing ones? I wouldn't be surprised if they picked some XDG_something directories to show there
[22:23] <arraybolt3[m]> ravage: Why?
[22:23] <sarnold> ravage: oh neato
[22:23] <arraybolt3[m]> (Do you really think we're going to scan something from haxxors.com??? I know you're a trusted part of the channel, but come on. That's just scary.)
[22:23]  * arraybolt3[m] proceeds to use Chrome to scan code
[22:24] <ravage> you may click it or not. your choice like with every link on the internet
[22:24] <arraybolt3[m]> Ah, I get it.
[22:24] <placek> i clicked it cause i like to live dangerously
[22:25] <arraybolt3[m]> There's lots of trusted members in the channel, ravage is one of them, so I didn't think it was dangerous, but the website address...
[22:25] <ravage> it is my domain so i like to use it :)
[22:26] <sarnold> :D
[22:26] <placek> maybe, its my first time here so idk lol
[22:26] <sarnold> welcome :)
[22:27] <arraybolt3[m]> placek: Use a virtual machine, that will help contain chaos.
[22:27] <placek> i needed to get a linux distro for work, and i ended up going all out and switching to ubuntu & installing a free bios on my laptop. still not quite sure how that happened
[22:27] <de-facto> ravage, thanks
[22:27] <sarnold> wow, the bios too :)
[22:27] <placek> yeah, osboot
[22:28] <ravage> i put a free bios on a chromebook. thats all :D
[22:28] <placek> well its not like, 100% free but probably as close as this t440p can get
[22:28] <placek> it needs intel me to work, but only a small part of it
[22:29] <placek> something like that anywayt
[22:32] <Laurels9> placek a free bios? can you paste the link about that?
[22:33] <placek> https://osboot.org/
[22:33] <placek> its a distribution of coreboot
[22:33] <placek> its basically libreboot, just a bit less restrictive when it comes to binary blobs and other things like that
[22:33] <placek> so it works on more devices
[22:34] <placek> i like it, one thing i cant get to work is suspend sadly, maybe ive set something up wrong
[22:40] <Laurels9> placek do you know if the flash code is inside the free bios? or the flashing code is a separate chip/bios memory? i ask because of possibilities to brick the machine obviously.
[22:41] <placek> i think it completely replaces the bios code, so if something goes wrong you'd probably brick your laptop
[22:41] <placek> there are two chips on the motherboard that you program using an external programmer
[22:41] <placek> but after the first install you can update from in the os
[22:42] <Laurels9> ok.
[22:43] <placek> i have experience with this kinda stuff, so im comfortable with it, but like, its possible to brick your laptop so you should be careful if you wanna do it :)
[22:43] <placek> the bios is paired to each motherboard im pretty sure, so if you dont have a backup its a problem
[22:43] <arraybolt3[m]> Laurels9: Flashing a BIOS always comes with the risk of bricking stuff, so be careful. Only do it if your device is supported, unless you really know what you're doing, and in that instance have unbricking hardware ready.
[22:43] <placek> and guess what, my backup seems to be corrupt. so thats fun, no turning back now lol
[22:44] <arraybolt3[m]> (I've installed MrChromebox firmware on a couple of Chromebooks in the past, things mostly went well but one of them is a bit stubborn with powering on.)
[22:44] <placek> never had a chance to mess with chromebooks
[22:45] <placek> theyve been around for so long yet ive never used one xd