[00:20] <eam> hi all, I have an impish/21.10 system and I'd like to upgrade it to 22.04 but it seems the upgrade tools have disabled themselves. Is there a way to do this without reinstalling?
[00:22] <Bashing-om> !eol | eam
[00:22] <Bashing-om> !21.10 | eam
[00:30] <eam> ah thanks, I found some of this info but this has a few extra steps I needed. Thanks again!
[00:33] <Bashing-om> eam: :D - Help is what we do .
[00:41] <sarnold> eam: this can help https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades
[00:43] <eam> I think I had to run dist-upgrade twice after modifying sources.list to point to the old-releases. after that, do-release-upgrade agreed to run
[01:20] <Rooker> Hi. Is it generally accepted that things from the Ubuntu Software Center GUI are safe? I do see the warnings on some that they may not be safe, but I assume that warning is just there as a technicallity.
[01:20] <Rooker> I'm a Linux noob.
[01:20] <KNERD> that;s why they are in there,,,they are safe
[01:21] <arraybolt3[m]> Stuff from the Ubuntu archives (installable through apt) are virtually guaranteed to be safe.
[01:21] <arraybolt3[m]> Things from the Snap store do have a possibility of being unsafe.
[01:21] <arraybolt3[m]> The reason is because, Snaps aren't as thoroughly scrutinized as packages that get into the official archives.
[01:21] <sarnold> you could publish a program in the snap store in an afternoon or two if you wanted :)
[01:22] <arraybolt3[m]> At least one user has snuck in a cryptominer into the Snap store disguised as a 2048 game. So exercise caution, and if you can get it through apt, do so.
[01:22] <Rooker> I see, I see. Any of you use Hexchat from the snap store? That's the software in question.
[01:22] <Rooker> Thanks for the tip.
[01:22] <arraybolt3[m]> Rooker: I'd just open a terminal and do "sudo apt install hexchat", however I'll check to see who publishes the hexchat snap.
[01:23] <Rooker> arraybolt3[m] Thanks.
[01:23] <arraybolt3[m]> It looks like Hexchat isn't even in the Snap store, and I believe the Ubuntu Software store contains Apt apps as well.
[01:23] <arraybolt3[m]> (I'll check it real quick...)
[01:23] <Rooker> You're awesome, thanks.
[01:23] <Rooker> My Ubuntu machine is at home. Just macOS at the moment. Just a nagging question I had.
[01:24] <arraybolt3[m]> Yep, installing Hexchat through the Ubuntu Software store is safe - it installs an apt package.
[01:24] <arraybolt3[m]> You'll see a "Source" thingy in the upper-right corner of the screen when you select an app - that can help you see if it's a Snap or Apt package.
[01:25] <arraybolt3[m]> If it says something like "ubuntu-jammy-universe (deb)", that's apt. If it says "Snap Store (snap)", that's a Snap.
[01:25] <Rooker> arraybolt3[m] Ah, thanks! So it is safe to assume apts in the software center are safe. These are the same packages I'd get if I apt-get it in the terminal?
[01:26] <arraybolt3[m]> Yes. If it's an apt package, you're almost 100% guaranteed to be good.
[01:26] <arraybolt3[m]> Also, looks like the Snap store now tells you if things are guaranteed to be safe or not.
[01:27] <arraybolt3[m]> If it says "Potentially unsafe", then be leery. If it says "Safe", you're good. (And if it's a deb, you're good either way.)
[01:27] <Rooker> I'm ignorant of most things Linux. Just getting going. I was under the impression Canonical was pushing Snap because it's more secure or safer.
[01:27] <Rooker> Yeah, Hexchat has that warning.
[01:28] <arraybolt3[m]> It looks like Ubuntu Software can't tell if a deb is safe or not, but because of the process debs have to go through, they're safe.
[01:28] <arraybolt3[m]> (Pre-installed Ubuntu apps like LibreOffice Calc and GNOME Calculator are being listed as "Potentially unsafe" for the deb packages - I think this is a bug.)
[01:28] <arraybolt3[m]> ('Cause there's no way either of those apps are unsafe - they came as part of the OS itself.)
[01:29] <Rooker> Gotcha. If you'd indulge me one more newbie question. Assuming I have a fresh install of Ubuntu and haven't added any repositories or anything, apt-get will only pull from Ubuntu's official repository, is that correct?
[01:29] <arraybolt3[m]> True.
[01:29] <Rooker> so I can assume anything I apt-get is safe.
[01:29] <arraybolt3[m]> The only things Ubuntu includes are the Ubuntu archives by default. Official Ubuntu flavours aren't even allowed to include things that aren't in the archives.
[01:30] <arraybolt3[m]> So if you apt-get it and you've not added PPAs, yes, you can assume that it's safe.
[01:30] <Rooker> Thank you for the info and tips.
[01:30] <arraybolt3[m]> 👍️
[01:30] <Rooker> Yeah, I've avoided adding any PPAs because I'm just too new at this. Even though I'd love to install OpenSnitch.
[01:31] <arraybolt3[m]> When adding PPAs, just be careful and make sure that you trust the software developer. If the people who made the software run the PPA, and you trust the software, it should be fine. If the PPA is run by the developers of an official Ubuntu flavour, it should be fine. If neither of those things are true, then be cautious.
[01:32] <arraybolt3[m]> (So if some random guy is running the PPA, that could be dangerous.)
[01:32] <Rooker> That makes total sense.
[01:33] <Rooker> I'll get there eventually. I have my copy of the Linux Bible, which is definitely overkill at this point, and Linux Command Line.
[01:35] <arraybolt3[m]> LPT when getting books: Archive.org is a digital library with tons of books you can borrow digitally for free, so if you need another Linux book, check there first.
[01:37] <Rooker> arraybolt3[m] Thanks for that and all the advice.
[01:37] <arraybolt3[m]> No problem, glad to help!
[01:38]  * arraybolt3[m] goes away from keyboard, $personal_life just hit
[03:13] <cc111> Hi. Does anyone have an example of an autoinstall yaml that includes a path: "*sdb" to choose an installl disk by chance?
[03:16] <cc111> anyone there?
[03:21] <arraybolt3[m]> Hey
[03:22] <arraybolt3[m]> Hmm, I do not have a file like that, but there's plenty of people here who might be able to help.
[03:22] <arraybolt3[m]> (You might also try asking in #ubuntu-server since they might be more knowledgeable about this sort of thing, since it sounds like you're setting up a server to me.)
[03:25] <cc111> arraybolt, I'll ask there too thanks!
[04:33] <driveclonefail> Hi there, I've cloned partitions on one boot SSD to another SSD using gparted, however I get "No Boot Device Found" when inserting the newly cloned SSD. My Dell server does not boot. Any ideas?
[04:34] <driveclonefail> I have set the "bios_grub" flag on the new SSD's grub partition, to replicate the old SSD.
[04:36] <arraybolt3[m]> driveclonefail: Are you sure the server boots with BIOS and not EFI?
[04:36] <driveclonefail> arraybolt3[m]: Yes, the ancient server boots with BIOS, and not EFI.
[04:36] <driveclonefail> but hypothetically speaking, if it boots with EFI, what flags should I set?
[04:37] <driveclonefail> it supports both BIOS and EFI in the F2 configuration, it has always been set to BIOS.
[04:37] <arraybolt3[m]> driveclonefail: OK. If you cloned the partitions, and not the whole drive, you may have a messed up boot sector. Lemme see how one fixes that...
[04:37] <arraybolt3[m]> (Actually, just do a fresh grub-install on the bios_grub partition and that may take care of it.)
[04:37] <driveclonefail> oooh, great tip, ty
[04:38] <driveclonefail> I can do that in gparted?
[04:38] <arraybolt3[m]> driveclonefail: No, I think you use the command line.
[04:40] <arraybolt3[m]> https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/691421/how-to-replicate-bios-grub-partition
[04:42] <arraybolt3[m]> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2/Installing
[04:43] <driveclonefail> arraybolt3[m]: grub-install: error: cannot find EFI directory
[04:43] <driveclonefail> Perhaps it's easier for me to properly clone the original drive (I still have it) -- should I use dd instead of copying partitions?
[04:44] <arraybolt3[m]> I would try that. (Odd that it can't find the EFI directory which shouldn't exist... maybe your system is set to hybrid UEFI mode somehow? I dunno.) Yes, dd should do the trick.
[04:44] <arraybolt3[m]> Note that it will work if the new drive is the same size or larger than the old drive - if you're stepping your drive size down it will probably fail.
[04:46] <arraybolt3[m]> (If all else fails, you could install Ubuntu from scratch on the new drive, then delete everything in all the partitions except the bios_grub partition on the new drive and then use rsync to clone stuff from the old drive onto the new drive.)
[05:23] <alkisg> driveclonefail: are you currently booted from a live USB stick on that server? What's the output of: sudo sh -c 'ls /sys/firmware/efi/; parted -l' | nc termbin.com 9999
[05:38] <atol71> some of your support questions and answers seems to be MISSING the QUESTION....
[05:38] <atol71> Running out of BS data?
[05:39] <arraybolt3[m]> How so?
[05:39] <arraybolt3[m]> atol71: I'm failing to see how we're missing the question - could you elaborate?
[05:41] <atol71> Elaborate: Zulu Nation/Black Buddha/Tears of Sahara/Ubuntu 19, 7th canonical....
[05:41] <atol71> primary numbers and binary
[05:42] <arraybolt3[m]> atol71: I fail to see how that has anything to do with an inability to properly boot the Ubuntu operating system on a server.
[05:43] <arraybolt3[m]> (I do notice the relation between the Ubuntu operating system and the Ubuntu african word meaning "I am because we all are", if that's what you're getting to, but that isn't an Ubuntu Linux support topic.)
[06:09] <beuys> Is there a way to find out where my firefox profile dir is?
[06:11] <alkisg> beuys: go to about:profiles
[06:12] <beuys> alkisg: Aha. What is "Root Directory" and "Local Directory"?
[06:12] <alkisg> beuys: the root is where your settings are, the local is where the cache is
[06:13] <alkisg> Cache can usually be deleted and it will be automatically recreated
[06:13] <beuys> Strangely, the places.sqlite in the profile does not contain my bookmarks.
[06:14] <arraybolt3[m]> beuys: I'm pretty sure the bookmarks can be archived from a bookmarks backup folder somewhere in there.
[06:14] <beuys> arraybolt3[m]: I'm noot looking for a backup folder. But for the place where FF stores them in the first place.
[06:15] <beuys> Oh, they are!
[06:15] <beuys> Nice.
[06:15] <alkisg> select * from moz_bookmarks;
[06:15] <beuys> alkisg: Yes
[06:16] <beuys> There are the names. But where are the urls?
[06:17] <alkisg> beuys: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/464516/firefox-bookmarks-sqlite-structure
[06:18] <beuys> I see. I wonder why they didn't put the urls into the bookmarks table.
[06:22] <beuys> So an automatic backup tool would have to do something like: cat "SELECT B.title, P.url FROM moz_bookmarks B JOIN moz_places P ON P.id=B.fk;" | mysql /home/.../places.sqlit > bookmarks.txt
[06:27] <beuys> s/mysql/sqlite
[06:28] <beuys> s/sqlite/sqlite3
[06:30] <beuys> Hmm.. that gives me some rows where the title is empty.
[06:30] <alkisg> beuys: I believe it would be easier to import directly from the sqlite file then your bookmarks.txt file; all browsers support importing bookmarks from firefox etc
[06:30] <alkisg> Just backup the whole file...
[06:30] <beuys> alkisg: I prefer to only backup data I understand.
[06:30] <beuys> If my hard disk ever dies, I will go through bookmarks.txt and add all bookmarks to my then new browser by hand.
[06:31] <alkisg> You need to understand sqlite in order to translate the data to your own format, which will probably include data loss. But if you really prefer that, it's your call :)
[06:31] <beuys> This type of backup has some benefits.
[06:31] <beuys> For example, I have it under git version control. So I always see the changes over time.
[06:33] <beuys> When you guys do "SELECT title FROM moz_bookmarks;" - do you also have some empty lines in there?
[06:36] <alkisg> With ctrl+shift+o, the bookmarks dialog appears; from export > html, you can see the standard bookmarks-backup.html format
[06:36] <alkisg> If you decide to use that text representation, it can be stored in git AND imported from that same dialog
[06:36] <alkisg> (instead of your custom bookmarks.txt format)
[06:37] <alkisg> (it also has a .json export menu)
[06:38] <beuys> That data is much bigger though. I really like small datasets.
[06:39] <beuys> But yeah, it might be better to use that format.
[06:39] <beuys> Can FF be automated to output that? Like "firefox --dump-bookmarks > bookmarks.html"?
[07:12] <ice9> when I close the laptop lid it does nothing however I enabled suspension in gnome-tweaks
[07:30] <plugger> can i run appimages on 22.04?
[07:30] <arraybolt3[m]> plugger: Yes, but you may need to install libfuse2 first.
[07:31] <plugger> found a page about installing fuse but there is warning about not installing onto 22.04
[07:31] <plugger> thanks
[07:31] <arraybolt3[m]> Just run "sudo apt install libfuse2" in a terminal and that will make AppImages work.
[07:31] <plugger> much appreciated
[07:31] <arraybolt3[m]> 👍️
[07:31] <arraybolt3[m]> (I've got an AppImage working just fine on my 22.04 laptop.)
[07:33] <plugger> arraybolt3[m], any thoughts on this output
[07:33] <plugger> https://pastebin.com/QYrjdrX4
[07:33] <plugger> have chmod +x already
[07:34] <plugger> am trying to run etcher
[07:34] <arraybolt3[m]> Wow. "GPU process isn't usable. Goodbye." That's funny and annoying.
[07:34] <arraybolt3[m]> Hmm...
[07:34] <plugger> do you think there is something a miss with my gpu perhaps?
[07:34] <arraybolt3[m]> Try running it like this:
[07:35] <arraybolt3[m]>       
[07:35] <arraybolt3[m]> ./balenaEtcher-1.7.9-x64.AppImage --disable-gpu-sandbox
[07:35] <plugger> good show
[07:35] <plugger> working
[07:35] <arraybolt3[m]> Woot!
[07:36] <arraybolt3[m]> It's apparently a known issue: https://github.com/balena-io/etcher/issues/3639 (Not really a bug but still something that's known about.)
[07:37] <plugger> appreciate your help thanks man
[07:37] <arraybolt3[m]> No problem, glad it worked!
[07:38] <plugger> lmfao am forced to use this crappy sdcard reader usb to burn my image this time and my wait time is like 63mins
[07:39] <plugger> used laptop (out of service atm) in past, never this slof
[07:39] <plugger> w
[08:09] <masber> hi, I have an ubuntu laptop, the machine has 16GB RAM and 2 GB swap. I realised the performance was highly degraded when the swap was full. This morning I disabled the swap and I can see the cache size % used in main memory has been reduced but the memory used increased. My guess is that swap was having memory used as opposed to cached. Why of this
[08:09] <masber> behaviour? I would assume used memory would be more critical than cached hence I would store all cached in swap?
[08:09] <masber> this is what I am talking about https://paste.pics/HTVSB
[08:10] <arraybolt3[m]> Cached memory would probably never be put in swap since that would defeat the entire purpose of cache. (I could be wrong, but my logic is right.)
[08:10] <arraybolt3[m]> I mean, cache is supposed to allow for faster access of data that is on the disk, so putting disk cache on the disk would be sorta pointless.
[08:12] <arraybolt3[m]> Do you have an SSD or a spinning HDD?
[08:12] <arraybolt3[m]> masber: ^
[08:14] <masber> `Non-Volatile memory controller: Intel Corporation SSD Pro 7600p/760p/E 6100p Series`
[08:15] <arraybolt3[m]> Wow, that's odd. I wonder why your system would end up with degraded performance when the swap filled up. Did disabling the swap fix the problem?
[08:16] <masber> yeah, no swap means no problem because it is easier filling up 2GB as compared to 16GB
[08:16] <masber> the thing is I use sublime text a lot and I think is heavily index data
[08:16] <Maik> reduce the swappiness?
[08:16] <masber> so I am guessing sublime text indexes takes most of the cache
[08:17] <masber> I assume having swap size < memory size is the real issue here
[08:21] <masber> sorry I ment the other way around. sublime text indexes are in main memory
[08:22] <masber> used memory
[08:22] <masber> so when I start sublime text, it builds all the indexes of the open files and those go to swap
[09:37] <m1dnight> Can somebody ehlp me out with nullmailer?
[09:37] <m1dnight> I keep getting smtp: Failed: 550 Bad HELO - Host impersonating domain name [example.com] as an error (redacted), and I don't really udnerstand the error.
[10:00] <Guest11> What's the name of the GUI program that lets you select what GPU you're using?
[10:04] <EriC^^> Guest11: nvidia-settings ?
[10:05] <Guest11> I think the program I was looking for the entire time was software-properties-{gtk qt}. Thanks.
[10:05] <EriC^^> ah ok
[10:05] <Guest11> But thanks for letting me know about nvidia-settings.
[10:18] <Guest11> Also another question. How does ubuntu make the ISO? Is it made in a debootstrap or something else?
[10:35] <alocer> Guest11: debian using sth called live-build
[10:35] <alocer> Guest11:  however ubuntu is using a customized version of that
[10:37] <Guest11> I see. Also alocer, what is the difference between vmlinuz, bzImage, and kernel.gz when it comes to booting the kernel. I'm reading about how the kernel boots and see kernel.gz pop up sometimes.
[10:37] <alocer> all i know is kernel = vmlinuz , i might be wrong,. Guest11
[10:48] <Guest11> Okay, I want someone to correct me if I'm wrong, but vimlinuz is just a renamed bzimage. right?
[10:56] <usrlocalbin> vmlinuz is essentially the kernel compressed by gzip, bzImage is kernel compressed (using a different method) but it includes some executable built in to do the decompression.  bzImage is apparently better suited to handle larger kernels
[11:01] <Guest11> Should I even care about bzimage because I can't find bzimage on the ubuntu packges website, but I can find vmlinuz.
[11:03] <usrlocalbin> i wouldnt
[12:17] <barg> if you echo $'\u0080'  on your system, do you get a euro?
[12:23] <barg> ah i see why there's no euro, i was looking at dodgy irrelevant ascii charts https://web.itu.edu.tr/~sgunduz/courses/mikroisl/ascii.html
[12:24] <barg> here is a c with a circumflex, so depends ascii to ascii https://www.asciitable.com/ and anyhow is now not extended ascii anymore.
[12:27] <_________> euro symbol is $'\u20AC'
[12:28] <_________> if you wanted ascii 128, you should have used $'\x80'
[12:32] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[13:23] <goddard> so did the hot key change to switch work spaces?
[13:23] <goddard> it was ctrl+alt+down/up
[13:23] <goddard> now it does nothing
[13:25] <goddard> now its just super page up and page down
[13:25] <goddard> why did it change?
[13:25] <goddard> gnome what are you doing to me man
[13:26] <goddard> :D
[13:26] <goddard> https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/shell-workspaces-switch.html.en
[13:26] <goddard> its a bummer i can't just use the new Unity
[13:27] <lotuspsychje> you can still use unity ontop ubuntu goddard
[13:27] <goddard> lotuspsychje: ya I have it install Unity 7 but all the Gnome apps are using these huge window title bars and it messes everything up
[13:27] <lotuspsychje> goddard: there's also a handy workspaces switcher indicator on the repos if you like
[13:27] <goddard> i started using Dolphin on Gnome instead of Files
[13:28] <goddard> Because Files has lots of issues
[13:28] <lotuspsychje> aka frankenubuntu :p
[13:28] <goddard> kinda haha
[13:28] <goddard> Is Unity 7 gonna work with Wayland?
[13:28] <goddard> Would be cool if Unity 8 worked with Wayland
[13:29] <goddard> i like how it looks and I know Qt/QML
[13:29] <goddard> the click package idea was good
[13:29] <goddard> but i guess that is snap now?
[13:29] <goddard> the ubuntu sdk thing worked well as well
[13:30] <goddard> page up and page down in gnome doesn't even make sense for moving left and right
[13:30] <goddard> i understand why they made the workspace switcher left to right for mobile compatability but at least change our hot keys :D
[13:31] <goddard> ctrl+alt and left/right is bound to Konsole
[13:32] <goddard> moves my tabs
[13:32] <goddard> maybe if i remove that key binding it will work with Gnome?
[13:45] <Fravialis> Hi guys. I'm trying to convert files like http://ppa.launchpad.net/gluster/glusterfs-10/ubuntu/dists/jammy/Release.gpg into files suitable for use in /usr/share/keyrings/gluster.gpg, so they can be used as in [signed-by=..] in sources.list.d. How does one accomplish this?
[13:46] <Fravialis> I've tried everything, but the basic gpg conversion never yields "OpenPGP Public Key Version 4"-like output from the file(1) command
[13:46] <Fravialis> So I'm not sure the instructions online are valid
[13:46] <Fravialis> (From e.g. serverfault or stackoverflow) .. or I've misunderstood
[13:47] <SteelRose> Hi there! I'm trying to resize a disk on an Azure VM as per https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/azure/virtual-machines/linux/resize-os-disk-gpt-partition#ubuntu - the Azure part has been completed already and the VM has a bigger disk. However, when the VM is rebooted, the disk size is the same... Do I need to do something from the Ubuntu side of things? The VMs don't use LVM...  Thanks!
[13:51] <Guest7120> uwu
[13:52] <Guest7120> owo
[13:53] <Guest7120> uwu
[14:42] <horse9> Is it possible to force a snap, let's say firefox, to use a certain vpn which would only exist for that purpose?
[14:44] <Fravialis> horse9: perhaps with netfilter, you can add a mark/tag to outgoing traffic for a certain process and then reroute it to a VPN
[14:44] <Fravialis> netfilter and/or ip route
[14:44] <horse9> ok, thanks, I will look into that
[14:45] <Fravialis> I believe I have read about this but I've never personally implemented it
[14:45] <Fravialis> horse9: this seems interesting also https://superuser.com/questions/271915/route-the-traffic-over-specific-interface-for-a-process-in-linux
[14:46] <Fravialis> Where they say "iptables", they essentially mean the same as I meant when I referenced "netfilter" ofc
[14:46] <horse9> @fravialis ok
[15:30] <xx> where can I get the pgp key used to sign launchpad PPA repos? Is there some well-known path that I can wget?
[15:39] <arraybolt3[m]> xx: Not all PPAs are signed with the same key - Launchpad provides the key for each PPA on the page for the PPA.
[15:39] <arraybolt3[m]> It's under the "Technical details about this PPA" section.
[15:40] <arraybolt3[m]> You can copy-paste it with your web browser.
[15:46] <xx> I can't find any section called "Technical details about this PPA" https://launchpad.net/~gluster
[15:48] <xx> nevermind, I think I found it, thanks
[16:03] <horse9> how do I go about resizing the top window bar in gtk4 / gnome 42
[16:16] <jhutchins> How can I list ata devices?
[16:20] <arraybolt3[m]> jhutchins: Try `sudo ls /dev/disk/by-path -al`
[16:23] <jhutchins> Interesting.  Only lists ata1
[16:23] <jhutchins> Which is sda, so that should mean things are OK.
[16:23] <arraybolt3[m]> There's other stuff that might help here: https://superuser.com/questions/617192/mapping-ata-device-number-to-logical-device-name
[16:24] <jhutchins> Ooh, that looks likely.
[16:28] <goddard> so workspaces are cool, but they are annoying to need to setup
[16:29] <goddard> would be cool if you could just save application state to disk to restore your workspaces
[16:29] <goddard> most applications would just refresh any new data any way right?
[16:29] <goddard> is that too hacky to work?
[16:30] <goddard> restore a "suspend" on a system that isn't suspended maybe?
[16:30] <goddard> does that exist?
[16:48] <HiccupJul> i'm trying to get an old package, but i can't find it under http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/
[16:48] <HiccupJul> is there somewhere else i should be looking?
[16:49] <jhutchins> HiccupJul: What package?
[16:49] <HiccupJul> mysql-server-5.5_5.5.57-0+deb8u1_amd64.deb
[16:50] <HiccupJul> there's source here https://code.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mysql-5.5/5.5.57-0ubuntu0.14.04.1
[16:50] <HiccupJul> and an i386 deb here https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-security-proposed/+archive/ubuntu/ppa/+build/13116357
[16:50] <HiccupJul> but not amd64 deb
[16:51] <HiccupJul> there are some random (dead link) google results for it though
[16:55] <leftyfb> HiccupJul: it's not supported here. Please use a modern version
[16:57] <HiccupJul> of course, i'm not looking for security support for it
[16:58] <HiccupJul> just looking to download it
[17:00] <mib_imfk09> hi guys
[17:01] <mib_imfk09> i'm trying to create boot repair usb for 14.04
[17:01] <mib_imfk09> using a ubuntu live usb
[17:03] <mib_imfk09> for this i tried the boot-repair apt-get
[17:04] <mib_imfk09> on running this cmd 'sudo add-apt-repository ppa:yannubuntu/boot-repair && sudo apt update'
[17:04] <mib_imfk09>  i get this error
[17:05] <mib_imfk09> Cannot add PPA: 'ppa:yannubuntu/boot-repair'. Please check that the PPA name or format is correct.
[17:05] <leftyfb> !eol | mib_imfk09
[17:05] <arraybolt3[m]> mib_imfk09: Ubuntu 14.04 is long dead - the PPA probably just doesn't support it anymore. Are you able to upgrade to a newer version of Ubuntu?
[17:06] <arraybolt3[m]> mib_imfk09: (Ubuntu 14.04 went EOL in 2019, and is only supported via Extended Service Maintenance now, so problems like this are likely, and the best course of action is to upgrade to a newer release like Ubuntu 22.04. And the best way to upgrade a system that's this old is to do a clean install.)
[17:08] <mib_imfk09> :O
[17:10] <horse9> @goddard https://medium.com/@mukherjeekalpan/auto-start-apps-and-fix-them-to-workspaces-on-startup-ubuntu-a1124f1af7f3 maybe this is interesting
[17:10] <horse9> test
[17:11] <horse9> I found a
[17:11] <horse9> link that maybe fitting @goddard
[17:11] <horse9> https://medium.com/@mukherjeekalpan/auto-start-apps-and-fix-them-to-workspaces-on-startup-ubuntu-a1124f1af7f3
[17:13] <goddard> horse9: thanks
[17:15] <mib_imfk09> arraybolt3[m]: but i can update my ca certs
[17:16] <mib_imfk09> how's that possible?
[17:18] <arraybolt3[m]> mib_imfk09: I don't know - maybe the certificates are still being maintained due to ESM and they're leaking into the non-ESM 14.04. (Just a guess, might be totally wrong.) But if you're still using 14.04 and you're not on ESM, your system is dreadfully out of date and likely to be an easy target for hackers. So it's highly recommended you upgrade.
[17:18] <leftyfb> mib_imfk09: you need to upgrade (fresh install). We cannot support 14.04 here
[17:18] <arraybolt3[m]> mib_imfk09: (You could also enable ESM, potentially paying Canonical for it if this system is used for commercial purposes, but that would just be stalling for time, and you would probably want to seek out commercial support if you did that.)
[17:22] <jaco> Hello
[17:24] <jaco> See apt-secure(8) manpage for repository creation and user configuration details.
[17:24] <jaco> pls what do i do to resolve this issue on my ubuntu
[17:24] <jaco> new to ubuntu
[17:25] <leftyfb> jaco: you have yet to state an issue
[17:26] <ogra> preferably with some context too 🙂
[17:26] <jaco> See apt-secure(8) manpage for repository creation and user configuration details.
[17:27] <jaco> i get this message
[17:27] <leftyfb> jaco: what are you trying to do exactly?
[17:27] <jaco> to properly update packages
[17:28] <leftyfb> jaco: ( cat /etc/os-release ; sudo apt update ; sudo apt full-upgrade -y ) | nc termbin.com 9999
[17:28] <ogra> what command did you run ... can you show us the full output util you get the command prompt back ? (paste it to a pastebin)
[17:29] <leftyfb> ogra: pretty sure the command I posted covers most of what we need
[17:30] <ogra> yeah, you were faster than me at the enter key 😉
[17:30] <ogra> now we scared jaco ...
[17:31] <leftyfb> jaco: ( cat /etc/os-release ; sudo apt update ; sudo apt full-upgrade -y ) | nc termbin.com 9999
[17:32] <jaco> Can anyone recommend an epub book reader with voice
[17:32] <leftyfb> !ot | jaco
[17:36] <webchat57> hi, I downloaded Ubuntu Linux 20.04 on my MacBook Air on VirtualBox, and whenever I open to it, it freezes on the jellyfish background. I didn't install Ubuntu on there and when I try to, it freezes on the "Install" screen
[17:39] <mib_mfbv2h> arraybolt3[m]: also even though i update the ca certs my firefox complains cert error
[17:40] <ioria> webchat57, M1 ?
[17:40] <jaco> @ubotto how do i go about registering
[17:40] <arraybolt3[m]> mib_mfb2h: I'm sorry, but since Ubuntu 14.04 is not supported any longer, we can't offer support for it, as this is the official Ubuntu support channel. The first thing to do is upgrade. If that doesn't solve the problem, we'd be happy to help at that point.
[17:41] <arraybolt3[m]> mib_mfbv2h: ^ (sorry accidentally mistyped your name first time)
[17:43] <arraybolt3[m]> ioria: Can't be M1, VirtualBox wouldn't have even tried to boot the thing on an M1 AFAIK.
[17:45] <mib_mfbv2h> arraybolt3[m]: ok.. thanks for ur support
[17:45] <webchat57> should I continue to try installing Ubuntu
[17:45] <mib_mfbv2h> arraybolt3[m]: and when did u typed my name?
[17:46] <arraybolt3[m]> (I did mib_mfb2h the first time and forgot the v.)
[17:46] <arraybolt3[m]> webchat57: Try booting in Safe Graphics mode. Also, how old is your version of VirtualBox? You may need to upgrade.
[17:47] <mib_mfbv2h> arraybolt3[m]: oh.. np dude.. bye
[17:47] <arraybolt3[m]> (Er... not forgot, but missed... you know what I'm trying to say LOL)
[17:48] <webchat57> Thanks, I got my version of VirtualBox yesterday. When I tried to go on Safe Graphics mode, it pauses on the jellyfish background
[17:48] <mib_mfbv2h> mm... definitely...
[17:49] <mib_mfbv2h> arraybolt3[m]: bye
[17:53] <webchat57> I tried to uninstall and install it again, same thing
[17:55] <arraybolt3[m]> webchat57: Possibly silly question, but do you have the latest Ubuntu 20.04 ISO? There's been quite a few point releases since the initial release and having a more up-to-date ISO might make the installation work.
[17:55] <arraybolt3[m]> (Also, try tweaking your video RAM settings in VirtualBox, and maybe your video adapter type too. You might also try enabling 3d Acceleration if possible.)
[17:56] <webchat57> Oh okay, thanks! I'll try that. And yep, got 20.04
[17:58] <ogra> 20.04 does not have a jellyfish wallpaper anywhere ...
[17:58] <ogra> are you sure it is not 22.04 ?
[17:58] <webchat57> oh shoot. My bad, yep 22.04
[17:58] <webchat57> That might be it
[17:58] <webchat57> oh wait nvm yet 20.04
[17:58] <webchat57> strange
[17:59] <webchat57> *yep
[18:00] <arraybolt3[m]> webchat57: Where are you downloading Ubuntu from?
[18:01] <arraybolt3[m]> You should only ever download Ubuntu from the official Ubuntu website.
[18:01] <arraybolt3[m]> (There are a few rare exceptions, but none of them apply in your scenario.)
[18:01] <webchat57> ubuntu.com, I got the Ubuntu desktop
[18:01] <arraybolt3[m]> Hmm... then how... hang on one moment.
[18:01]  * arraybolt3[m] downloads the latest 20.04 ISO to see if something's fishy
[18:02] <leftyfb> it's not. They have 22.04 installed, not 20.04
[18:02] <webchat57> On the vm virtual box it say 20.04 but on the site it says 22.04
[18:03] <arraybolt3[m]> Aha. That makes sense - VirtualBox must not support 22.04 yet.
[18:03] <leftyfb> webchat57: that's called a typo you made when you named the VM
[18:03] <ogra> only after 22.04 actually became LTS
[18:03] <arraybolt3[m]> (Whatever kind of Ubuntu the website thinks it is, that's the version you've got.)
[18:03] <webchat57> Oh wow! Thank you !!!
[18:04] <arraybolt3[m]> webchat57: Try downloading 20.04 instead of 22.04 and see if that works. I'll pull up a link for you.
[18:04] <webchat57> Dumb questio, but is the 20.04 listed as 20.04.4 LTS
[18:04] <arraybolt3[m]> (22.04 is awfully new and VirtualBox isn't always so happy with new Linux distros.)
[18:04] <arraybolt3[m]> webchat57: Yes, it is.
[18:04] <arraybolt3[m]> That .4 at the end is the point release number.
[18:04] <webchat57> Thank you sm!! I'll try that!
[18:05] <arraybolt3[m]> webchat57: https://releases.ubuntu.com/20.04.4/
[18:05] <webchat57> got it :D
[18:05] <arraybolt3[m]> No problem, glad to help out!
[18:05] <enyc> There have been some complains about 6.1.36, justified or not, may be fine!
[18:06] <enyc> Remember too  that   ubuntu repositories contain (at least)   packages  virtualbox-qt virtualbox-ext-pack virtualbox-guest-additions-iso   without adding any separate downloads/repository anyhow.
[18:07] <enyc> arraybolt3[m]: no, vbox as supplied in ubuntu works fine on 22.04, currently a 6.1.34 build in jammy-updates
[18:07] <enyc> perennilasannoyance that you need to KNOW to add user to  'vboxusers' group  for USB-passthrough  with no indication this is a problem otherwise.... etc.
[18:08] <enyc> Reportably virtualbox 7 going to improve a whole lot of UI/usability aspects!
[18:10] <adac> With zsh, how can I avoid entering ssh passphrase all the time?
[18:10] <leftyfb> adac: zsh is a shell, it does not require authentication
[18:11] <adac> leftyfb, yes but when I'm in that shell I always need enter passphrase when I want to ssh on one of my server
[18:12] <leftyfb> adac: ok, that has nothing to do with your shell. The default ubuntu install has an ssh agent running that should cache your ssh key(s)
[18:12] <leftyfb> adac: ssh-add
[18:12] <leftyfb> this will cache it until you end the session
[18:12] <arraybolt3[m]> enyc: I thought that might be true, but I've also seen lots of reports about "Hey I upgraded my system in VBox and now XYZ is borked" and the answer was "Your VBox is too old, update it", or "VBox doesn't support that kernel, gonna have to wait", or something like that.
[18:13] <arraybolt3[m]> And maybe VBox in general works, but it sounds like VBox on Mac is failing, so since I already see VBox can be problematic...
[18:14] <goddard> snaps and flatpak have a lot of bugs
[18:14] <goddard> Makes ubuntu seem buggy when it was previously super stable
[18:15] <leftyfb> goddard: flatpaks aren't supported here. If you find a bug with a snap, you can report it
[18:15] <goddard> qownnotes for snap and flatpak both have issues
[18:15] <leftyfb> goddard: sounds like a very app-specific problem
[18:15] <leftyfb> goddard: maybe report it to the vendor
[18:16] <goddard> not just this app leftyfb
[18:16] <leftyfb> goddard: snap info <package name>   # this should list the publisher and how to contact them for bug reports
[18:16] <goddard> almost every snap/flatpak I have tried has some issue out of the box you need to fix
[18:17] <goddard> even firefox
[18:17] <goddard> i have no choice but to download it directly from Firefox and run their tar
[18:17] <goddard> that sucks
[18:17] <leftyfb> goddard: first off, there are very few, if any Ubuntu developers monitoring this channel so bug reports should be filed.
[18:18] <leftyfb> goddard: what issue are you seeing with firefox?
[18:22] <goddard> sometimes the dialog will open and reopen repeatedly
[18:22] <goddard> i have to kill the app
[18:22] <ogra> "the dialog" ??
[18:23] <goddard> ogra: the gnome file dialog
[18:23] <ogra> thats not a snap or flatpak issue but one with the xdg-portal deb
[18:23] <ogra> yu sould report it
[18:23] <ogra> *you should
[18:24] <goddard> guys no offense but I just wanna use my desktop not report bugs all the time
[18:24] <ogra> well, then wait til the actual LTS release is out ...
[18:24] <goddard> when ubuntu's bug popup shows up i always send it to canonical
[18:25] <leftyfb> goddard: how do you expect the bug to get fixed if you don't report it?
[18:26] <goddard> I've reported bugs before and that is great, but I don't have time to login and submit all the infomration exactly how they want
[18:26] <leftyfb> goddard: then there's a very good likelyhood that the bug will never be fixed for you
[18:27] <goddard> the other option is to just not use a distro that forces you to use buggy software they haven't tested
[18:27] <coconut> goddard, try pop!_os 22.04, they have firefox from a deb from their own repo, and the base repo is ubuntu too.
[18:27] <goddard> pop os has more issues then ubuntu
[18:27] <leftyfb> coconut: lets not use this channel to advertise other distro's please
[18:30] <InPhase> goddard: There have, indeed, been a few extra bugs that cropped up as this transition to more snap software has recently happened.  It is part of the normal flow of things that there are a few extra bugs to face after transitions, but they are usually planned for good reason.  And then the bugs with the new approach get worked out, and things stabilize again.
[18:31] <goddard> InPhase: i understand that and that is great, but I am on 22.04 shouldn't core apps be pretty stable?
[18:31] <InPhase> goddard: This is the typical life cycle of software.  It happens any time innovation is applied.
[18:31] <goddard> i mean didn't we have 6 months to test everything before pushing it into an LTS?
[18:31] <ogra> goddard, no ... that is is purpose
[18:32] <ogra> goddard, 22.04 is *not* LTS yet
[18:32] <ogra> all LTS releases only become actual LTS with the first point release
[18:32] <InPhase> ogra: Uh, yes it is.
[18:32] <ogra> the phase before that point release *is exactly* to find bugs
[18:33] <ogra> then with the first point release LTS->LTS updates get enabled
[18:33] <InPhase> ogra: lsb_release -d  -->  Description:Ubuntu 22.04 LTS
[18:33] <goddard> https://ubuntu.com/#download
[18:33] <goddard> that is for upgrading purposes
[18:33] <ogra> InPhase, yeah, it is complex to update that file, so we add the final string into it relatively early (even during development)
[18:34] <ogra> ... there is a reason why you can not directly update from 20.04 yet ... 😉
[18:34] <InPhase> If it's labeled LTS at download, and labeled LTS in the release itself, then it's pretty clearly LTS, because it's plastered all over as such.  :)
[18:35] <ogra> it was plastered all over it way before release 😉
[18:35] <ogra> technically an LTS only becomes LTS when the meta file for update-manager gets updatd
[18:36] <InPhase> ogra: I see no indications of that anywhere.  The website even labels it LTS right where you linked.
[18:36] <ogra> and there is usually a 3-4 month period for fixing all remaining and new found bugs before the .1 comes out
[18:36] <ogra> i didnt link anything
[18:36] <InPhase> Oh, sorry, where goddard linked.
[18:37] <InPhase> I'd say the branding and labeling is pretty clear on that one.
[18:37] <leftyfb> ogra: should I tell them? ;)
[18:39] <ogra> InPhase, thats just a label ... you can not buy commercial support for it or Ubuntu Advantage ... former LTS users do not yet get upgraded ... ths release is for i.e. users that are non-LTS users and brave people wanting to help polishing for the .1 release
[18:41] <InPhase> ogra: It's also here listed already as without the point release having support through 2027.  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases
[18:41] <ogra> sure
[18:41] <InPhase> As are all the past ones without the .1
[18:41] <ogra> it is fully supported and gets security updates etc etc
[18:41] <ogra> but it is not the actual LTS product yet
[18:42] <InPhase> I don't know where that notion comes from, or if you have secret info, but everything posted on the site is telling me otherwise.  *shrug*
[18:43] <ogra> it is "a release" but it is not the "golden master" ...
[18:43] <InPhase> If there is some secret agreement not to really consider them LTS releases, then they shouldn't be announced as such all over the place.  :)
[18:43] <ogra> uuh, not saying that
[18:44] <ogra> it is simply not 100% done until .1
[18:44] <hggdh> anyways (although I fully agree with ogra): bugs only have a chance of being fixed if they are reported. So there.
[18:44] <ogra> yeah
[18:44] <ogra> thans for bringing us back on track hggdh 🙂
[18:44] <ogra> +k
[18:45] <hggdh> ogra: always my pleasure :-)
[18:45] <ogra> 😄
[18:46] <goddard> need the ability to report app bugs in the store or something so it isn't such a hassle and I think it would improve the intelligence devs get
[18:46] <goddard> you already have the app version OS version and all that stuff
[18:46] <leftyfb> !bug | goddard
[18:47] <goddard> .. :(
[18:47] <leftyfb> goddard: in your case, run:   ubuntu-bug xdg-portal
[18:47] <ogra> well, "ubuntu-bug xdg-desktop-portal" in a terminal is not particulary complicated
[18:48] <goddard> doesn't seem super helpful
[18:48] <goddard> better than nothing, but still would make a lot more sense in the app store
[18:48] <hggdh> that's OK. I think we have hashed this long enough. Let's now please return to topic
[19:05] <ash12> Hello, I downloaded the ubuntu desktop 20.04.4 on a virtual box on my MacBookAir. When I tried running it, it kept on loading, and then going to a black screen. Any way I can get to work?
[19:08] <InPhase> ash12: Did you give it a long time to make sure it wasn't just being slow?
[19:09] <ash12> about 5 minutes
[19:09] <InPhase> Was this the installer iso that you were trying to run?
[19:10] <ash12> yep
[19:10] <ash12> it would go from loading to a black screen
[19:10] <minttea> ash12: Possibly didn't set enough memory in virtual box settings.
[19:11] <InPhase> ash12: It's hard to guess what is going wrong without some diagnostic information.  And I haven't tried either virtual box or a macbook air for this, but one alternate suggestion I have for you is that you can try qemu which seems to be available with brew.  (But maybe try minttea's simpler suggestion first.)
[19:11] <minttea> Or too much!
[19:12] <ash12> I'll try both, thanks!
[19:12] <InPhase> ash12: I use qemu under Linux routinely for this, and it is pretty reliable for me.
[19:12] <ash12> sorry, what's qemu
[19:12] <InPhase> It's another virtual machine system.
[19:13] <ash12> ohh, okay thanks!
[19:13] <sarnold> I dunno if qemu works great on macos
[19:13] <InPhase> It's nice, and pretty powerful.  There are just a lot of command line options to pass in.  But you can stuff those into a script to launch it.
[19:13] <ash12> cool cool
[19:13] <InPhase> sarnold: Yeah, I can't vouch for great or not.  I haven't tried it.  But I see it's installable.
[19:14] <ash12> oh, okay, I'll try it out
[19:14] <InPhase> ash12: Plan C (D?) is perhaps get a thumb drive and follow a guide for sticking it on there, and boot from the drive.
[19:14] <ash12> thanks!
[19:28] <VIA> hi all
[19:28] <VIA> can anyone name me some(the ones they know) commands tat would tart the network manager in ubuntu ?
[19:28] <VIA> i solved my issue by simpyl starting that manager applet viacomand, then enabling my connection
[19:29] <VIA> nobw after reboot, the darn thing didnt start again
[19:29] <VIA> and obviously i didnt remember the name..... BUT: it was very short
[19:29] <sarnold> nmcli?
[19:29] <VIA> i think it had "nm-**+" or something .. so defnitely an NM i there
[19:30] <VIA> that wasnt it but i can try
[19:30] <sarnold> nm-applet?
[19:30] <VIA> that soudns better !!
[19:30] <sarnold> \o/
[19:30] <VIA> lol
[19:31] <VIA> nah .. unable to start .. "nm-applet not found"
[19:31] <VIA> somewhere alog the linesi also read ubuntu recently (whatever that means) chanegd the name of their Networkmanager
[19:32] <VIA> so if i understood it right. they made something simple and short to remember .. pointlessly over the top
[19:32] <InPhase> VIA: You can install network-manager-gnome for that applet.
[19:33] <InPhase> VIA: I cannot promise you want to do that.  Just saying, that's where it is.
[19:36] <VIA> I CAN PROMIE YOU I DOTN WANT ANYTHIGN ADDITIONALLED
[19:36] <VIA> sry caps!!
[19:36] <VIA> this machine is bloated as is. hard learning curve for a linux beginer
[19:37] <explodes> I'm using Ubuntu 20.04.4 LTS according to lsb_release -a, but sudo do-release-upgrade says there is no new version available. I was expecting to upgrade to Ubuntu 22.04 LTS
[19:37] <sarnold> explodes: the LTS->LTS upgrade pathway is only advertised after the .1 release
[19:37] <sarnold> explodes: you can run do-release-upgrade -d now if you want to hurry
[19:37] <explodes> oh sweet
[19:37] <explodes> I'm guessing I don't want to hurry if don't care that much
[19:38] <sarnold> yeah, most users are better suited just waiting
[19:39] <explodes> ty ty
[19:40] <explodes> /b 9
[19:42] <VIA> is this wierd?! when i just type "nm-applet" and hit enter, it just seems to hand there with a blinking bar sarnold
[19:44] <sarnold> VIA: I don't think it "backgrounds" itself -- I've got 'nm-applet &' in my ~/.xsessionrc, I think if you want that terminal back you'll need to background it yourself
[19:45] <VIA> sir im fluent in english but not fluent in "linux"
[19:45] <VIA> so i understood about 0 +- 0.0% :>
[19:45] <sarnold> oh :)
[19:46] <VIA> YO
[19:46] <VIA> I MADE IT
[19:46] <VIA> somehow
[19:46] <VIA> that made it!
[19:47]  * VIA taps hat to sarnold
[19:47] <sarnold> most applications, when you run them, keep control over the terminal; a few will automatically 'daemonize' themselves -- fork off a new child, do all their work in the child, and kill the parent process. then the shell can print the prompt again, etc
[19:47] <VIA> whatever tht sh!te was its going to be easier to figure out the next time, and each time until ill manage to sort it out completely :)
[19:47] <sarnold> most other applications, if you want them to keep running but not 'own' the terminal, you have to background them yourself: nm-applet &  for example
[19:48] <VIA> ahoh, i get "Bg itself" now. that happened a bunch of time and anoye the heck out of me, bcause i wasnt aware the processs was runing neither was i able to reproduce it
[19:49] <VIA> OH so the console with the flashing bar is still there. it probably executed right away i just didnt notice. lets see if it "bg's itself" now on close
[19:50] <VIA> no darn. the app also clses but close enough
[19:50] <VIA> is there a way to instruct the app to run in the bg ?
[19:51] <VIA> the fix that worked yesterday didnt leave an open console and i used sudo
[19:53] <sarnold> VIA: if you forgot the & when starting the process, you can usually use ^Z to 'suspend' the task, then type 'bg' to ask it to run in the background
[19:53] <VIA> ok, after runing in usudo bash then killing it works another way maybe does too hhmhhh
[20:10] <amaroq> Ulauncher is not working properly here. What are alternatives. In the past we had gnome-do and synapse..I'm surprised that there isn't something like this that exists and is integrated into Ubuntu like Spotlight for Macos and that we have to go around looking and installing as an extra
[20:11] <sarnold> what does ulauncher do?
[20:12] <sarnold> based on the name alone it sounds a bit like https://github.com/davatorium/rofi
[20:13] <amaroq> yes, it behaves a bit like Sportlight for macos. Allows us to ctrl. or command + spacebar and launch apps or search files
[20:13] <tomreyn> so basically as if you hit super / windows key on gnome-shell?
[20:14] <amaroq> but, as I said Ulauncher doesn't work properly here. Only launches with ctr. + space if an application is already open. If I switch to an empty workspace it doesn't work.
[20:14] <tomreyn> you get a text field, can type the name of the application to launch?
[20:14] <sarnold> I use dmenu with my i3wm setup, I think that might be an i3wm default
[20:14] <amaroq> @tomreyn, yes, that's it
[20:14] <tomreyn> so how is it better than gnome-shell? or why don't you use that?
[20:15] <amaroq> well, I don't know gnome-shell
[20:15] <tomreyn> which ubuntu version are you using?
[20:15] <amaroq> does gnome-shell exist by default?
[20:15] <amaroq> jammy
[20:15] <tomreyn> well, yes
[20:15] <tomreyn> press super
[20:16] <amaroq> just super?
[20:17] <tomreyn> right. press and release
[20:17] <amaroq> doesn't seem to do anything
[20:18] <tomreyn> then you're not on a default ubuntu installation
[20:19] <amaroq> or I don't have 'super' key
[20:19] <amaroq> I have Logitech mx keyboard...doesn't say super
[20:20] <amaroq> I have command (cmd) key
[20:20] <tomreyn> you have a windows logo key, though
[20:21] <amaroq> no
[20:21] <amaroq> I have macos 'cmd' logo
[20:21] <leftyfb> amaroq: are you on a mac?
[20:22] <amaroq> leftyfb, no, I'm on Ubuntu...but, have a logitech mx keyboard
[20:22] <leftyfb> amaroq: what model keyboard?
[20:22] <leftyfb> amaroq: ah, this keyboard? https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/71ELb9vTikS._AC_SL1500_.jpg
[20:23] <leftyfb> I think you want the "opt|start"
[20:23] <amaroq> Logitech MX Keys, is what it says
[20:23] <amaroq> Yes, there is the Opt/Start also, but when I hit that it launches multiscreen
[20:24] <leftyfb> as opposed to?
[20:24] <leftyfb> amaroq: if you start typing the name of an application or file, it'll search for it
[20:24] <amaroq> I think I see now...when it opens multiscreen I can typel, ins't it?
[20:24] <leftyfb> amaroq: start button -> start typing
[20:25] <amaroq> got it - sorry.
[20:25] <tomreyn> https://i.imgur.com/APMeBtZ.mp4
[20:25] <amaroq> interesting... ok. I was expecting a small window like we used to have with gnome-do and synapse and indeed Ulauncher
[20:25] <sarnold> tomreyn: wouldn't it be neat if that could search amazon...
[20:25] <tomreyn> sadly you don't see the keyboard interaction there.
[20:25]  * sarnold runs
[20:26] <tomreyn> no comment. :)
[20:27] <amaroq> So, this is called gnome-shell?
[20:27] <amaroq> ...our default application launcher
[20:29] <tomreyn> i'm pretty bad with the right terms for the graphical desktop elements. but the overall thing is called gnome shell, i think
[20:29] <tomreyn> https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/shell-introduction.html.en
[20:30] <amaroq> Thank you
[20:31] <ningu> hi, I'm trying to connect to an ubuntu desktop using RDP. sharing is enabled on the ubuntu machine as far as I know. trouble is, I'm on a mac and the microsoft remote desktop client is not connecting properly. this might be because I don't have a monitor connected to the ubuntu machine? I see this in the syslog: gnome-remote-de[1376]: Failed to record monitor: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.Failed:
[20:31] <ningu> Unknown monitor
[20:31] <ningu> can I use vino, maybe?
[20:31] <tomreyn> amaroq: see also the "GNOME Shell Overview mode" on the right hand here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNOME_Shell
[20:32] <amaroq> @tomreyn, thx
[20:34] <tomreyn> ningu: i think vino only works with Xorg. you are probably on Wayland? you can try logging off and then change the session on the login screen, and give the other a try.
[20:34] <tomreyn> but i guess that'll be difficult without a monitor connected, too
[20:35] <ningu> hmmm... yeah I see
[20:35] <Teckla> ningu: I recently went through some similar RD issues, from Windows 11 to Ubuntu Linux.  ->
[20:35] <Teckla> ningu: One thing I had to do was switch Ubuntu Linux from Wayland to X11.
[20:35] <ningu> I am not anywhere close to the sever, unfortunately
[20:35] <ningu> server*
[20:36] <ningu> but I can try changing it from wayland to x11
[20:36] <Teckla> Oh, if it's running Ubuntu Server, never mind then  :)
[20:36] <ningu> well I use it as a server
[20:36] <ningu> but I think it's regular ubuntu desktop that's installed
[20:36] <Teckla> ningu: Ah ok, yes, start by switching from Wayland to X11
[20:36] <ningu> when I connect a monitor it works like a usual desktop
[20:37] <ningu> ssh is working fine at least :P
[20:37] <ningu> ok let me see
[20:37] <Teckla> I think, on the login screen, there's a little gear icon, and if you click that, you can switch from Wayland to X11
[20:38] <ningu> yeah but I have to do this via ssh, checking if that's possible
[20:38] <Teckla> X11 worked, but there's a pretty big caveat: if the Linux machine locks the display, you can't connect with RD to unlock it.  You have to disable the lock entirely.
[20:38] <ningu> hmm ok
[20:39] <Teckla> Alas, it was a big enough issue that I ended up using Windows instead :((( -- due to a hard requirement on using only Remote Desktop -- but Ubuntu on WSL to the rescue, for the most part
[20:41] <ningu> maybe there is another solution here, I don't know
[20:41] <ningu> what I really need to do is access my home router's settings
[20:41] <ningu> but I can only do that via the local network
[20:41] <ningu> I need to use chrome somehow from the local network
[20:42] <Teckla> ningu: NoVNC might be an option for you, access via web browser.
[20:42] <Teckla> s/NoVNC/noVNC/
[20:42] <ningu> still need x11?
[20:43] <tomreyn> you really just need to ssh forward
[20:43] <ningu> that's fine
[20:43] <Teckla> Not 100% sure, but I think that also requires X11
[20:43] <ningu> novnc is a vnc client
[20:43] <ningu> so don't I still need a vnc server?
[20:44] <ningu> I have vnc clients on my mac, the issue is I can't connect to the ubuntu machine
[20:44] <Teckla> I think so.  I think noVNC runs on the server, and takes over as the VNC client, but makes the display available via web
[20:44] <ningu> eh? ok
[20:45] <Teckla> It'll be the best day ever when Wayland fully supports Remote Desktop server  :)
[20:47] <sarnold> ningu: if you set up port forwarding on the router correctly you could ssh to the inside machine and use ssh's port forwarding -L or -R or similar to let you use your local web browser to pretend to be on the inside of your network
[20:47] <sarnold> ningu: it might be more frustrating to get it all set up but it might be less bad than trying to forward a video of a browser
[20:47] <ningu> that is perhaps true
[20:47] <ningu> the router lets in port 22 only, currently
[20:48] <ningu> and it goes to this ubuntu machine
[20:49] <tomreyn> personally, i usually use -D 127.0.0.1:5555, and set my web browser to use this SOCKS proxy, and also resolve hostnames through it
[20:49] <tomreyn> then you just surf like you're at home
[20:50] <ningu> hmm... ok
[20:50] <tomreyn> i've not tried this with a mac OS client, but it should just work the same
[20:51] <ningu> that is a really interesting idea, I hadn't thought of that
[20:51] <sarnold> tomreyn: oh that sounds WAY BETTER than -R and -L
[20:51] <ningu> SOCKS should be the same, yes
[20:51] <tomreyn> so if yuo used    ssh itsme@myserver.tld   so far then you'll instead use    ssh -D 127.0.0.1:5555 itsme@myserver.tld
[20:51] <ningu> yep
[20:51] <tomreyn> *and* you configure your mac os web browser, in its network preferences, to use SOCKS server 127.0.0.1 port 5555
[20:52] <ningu> yeah that part is easy
[20:52] <ningu> and hopefully works the same as everywhere
[20:52] <tomreyn> and tick the checkbox where it offers to also do the dns lookups / nameserver through the SOCKS
[20:52] <tomreyn> and that's it
[20:53] <tomreyn> then just access your router at home as you usually would
[20:54] <ningu> amazing, it worked... thanks!!!
[20:56] <sarnold> !cookie | tomreyn
[21:03]  * tomreyn nom nom nom
[21:25] <enyc> arraybolt3[m]: well, if you add all sorts of weird very-new backported kernels then what do you expect :O
[21:25] <enyc> arraybolt3[m]: if you jsut use the ubuntu versions of vbox+kernels then all generally seems fine
[21:26] <enyc> arraybolt3[m]: I'm definitelygoing to olok at  gnome-boxes, virt-manager, libvirt, and so-on soon!
[21:26] <arraybolt3[m]> enyc: The reports I saw were just with standard Ubuntu, no fancy kernels involved. Maybe Oracle stepped up their game as far as keeping pace with Linux?
[21:26] <arraybolt3[m]> enyc: Definitely do GNOME Boxes - it's so awesome. Install virt-manager too, it has some fancy features that Boxes doesn't have that can come in very handy some times.
[21:26] <arraybolt3[m]> (They both use libvirt and will be able to access the same VMs, so long as you connect to QEMU user session in virt-manager.)
[21:28] <enyc> arraybolt3[m]: yes virtualbox support in linux well improved too... and  LocutusOfBorg  keeps on top of  sensibly managed updates to th edebian/ubuntu packaces
[21:29] <enyc> arraybolt3[m]: virtualbox has always had the benefit that (excepting -ext-pack) its' FOSS combined with being cross-platform  host-OS,  can move a vM from win to osx to linux  host!
[21:29] <enyc> and the 'snapshot' feature as implemented is particularly good
[21:31] <arraybolt3[m]> VBox is painfully slow in my experience - it was crashy, messy, buggy, and crummy, even with a fully updated version. KVM (GNOME Boxes and virt-manager) is fast, nearly bug-free, easy, and happy.
[21:31] <arraybolt3[m]> I've also used snapshots there - I think VBox is a bit better with its snapshotting system... maybe? But GNOME Boxes and virt-manager both support snapshots, too.
[21:32]  * arraybolt3[m] realizes we've entered offtopic land
[21:58] <jhutchins> arraybolt3[m]: What are gnome boxes under the wrapper?  Surely they didn't invent their own hypervisor?
[21:59] <sarnold> libvirt
[22:24] <goddard> i sometimes run jnlp files I noticed in Gnome Settings "Applications" it shows an instance of that jnlp file multiple times.  I've ran it like 30 times so I have 30 copies of it in "Applications"
[22:26] <goddard> Does snap have a "FlatSeal" like app?
[22:26] <goddard> I need to add the ability for the VSCode snap to see network drives
[22:27] <ravage> goddard, network access seems to be a little complicated in snaps. my suggestion would be to switch to VSCodium anyway and use their PPA. works perfectly
[22:28] <goddard> ravage: i was using that but VSCodium gives errors in extensions 503 error
[22:28] <ravage> ok. never had that problem really
[22:29] <goddard> im not sure what the issue is
[22:29] <goddard> i always seem to run itno issues in every snap
[22:29]  * goddard sigh
[22:30] <enigma9o7[m]> You could remove the snap, and install the deb straight from microsoft.  I believe its install script adds microsoft repo to your sources, so it'll update with apt in the future.
[22:30] <_WEZ_> goddard: That's why I uninstalled snap
[22:32] <goddard> i have to use it because so many apps now are gone as debs
[22:32] <goddard> i honestly don't care as long as I had the tools to make things work
[22:33] <_WEZ_> ok
[22:33] <enigma9o7[m]> There's only two apps ubuntu has removed debs for afaik... chromium and firefox.
[22:33] <goddard> im pragmatic i just want working software and i like the idea of containerized apps but this is just half baked
[22:33] <enigma9o7[m]> so I dunno about "so many apps now are gone" being accurate.
[22:33] <enigma9o7[m]> perhaps they have goals in the future to remove more stuff, but those are the only two i know of, chromium removedin 20.04 and firefox removed in 22.04
[22:34] <enigma9o7[m]> vs code was never in ubuntu, and microsoft has always offered it as deb, so no change there.
[22:35] <enigma9o7[m]> That being said I most certainly removed snapd myself too.
[22:35] <goddard> everyone is pushing everything to flatpak, or snap and some appimages
[22:35] <goddard> all have some kind of issues
[22:36] <_WEZ_> enigma9o7[m]: <3
[22:36] <goddard> just a pretty akward time