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tortalim looking to update my apt source.list from a trustable source.... i foudnt his https://repogen.simplylinux.ch/ ... but it's outdated00:48
oerheksupdate?00:50
oerheksthat is not a genuine way to upgrade to a next ubuntu..00:50
oerheksreverse to your original list> cp /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list  /etc/apt/sources.list00:51
oerheksmaybe universe is disabled ..00:51
tortalim nooking to upgrade the distro version.. im looking to add deb repos that dont have official support for LTS 20+00:54
oerheksoh, good luck with that.00:54
oerheksbetter build those from source,..00:55
sarnoldor ask them to target your OS directly00:56
webchat25i got a bit of an odd issue imo.01:03
webchat25i am running ubuntu 20.04 on a raspberry pi 4, and everything was fine until my internet cut out yesterday.01:03
webchat25`systemctl status` shows `ubuntu` started running since `Wed 1969-12-31 19:00:05 EST; 52 years 6 months ago` and it causes issues to ssl certificates and stuff like that01:03
webchat25i can give more information when needed. i just cant figure this out01:03
Bashing-omwebchat25: Check the time set in bios ?01:05
sarnoldwebchat25: those machines are made very cheaply -- they don't have a real time clock01:05
sarnoldwebchat25: so the only way they know the time is by asking another machine -- usually systemd-timesyncd should have taken care of that early in the boot01:05
arraybolt3[m]webchat25: If you leave it connected to the Internet for a bit, it should auto-update the time from an NTP server.01:06
sarnold(well, not *early*, it can't happen until networking has come up :)01:06
arraybolt3[m]webchat25: Though, if it's saying it started running 52 years ago, that sounds to me like the time did update. Just in case, try installing ntpdate and using that to manually update the time. That should fix it if nothing else will.01:07
webchat25ive waited a few hours, as well as setting it with an ntp server, but it hasnt worked. most other services ive checked show it correctly01:08
arraybolt3[m]So SSL sites still aren't working?01:08
webchat25correct01:08
oerheksboot live media ..?01:09
arraybolt3[m]oerheks: Not an option on an RPi.01:09
arraybolt3[m]webchat25: And the browser is specifically telling you it's because of the time?01:09
arraybolt3[m](Maybe restart the browser.)01:09
webchat25im assuming its because of the time it shows. its the only thing that has noticeably changed01:10
webchat25ive cleared my browser's cookies and cache and it doesnt work01:10
arraybolt3[m]webchat25: The browser should tell you why it's happening if you choose to look at the advanced details. If you updated the time via NTP and it still isn't working, then time is almost certainly not at fault.01:11
arraybolt3[m](You could set the time manually just to be sure, or try rebooting the Pi.)01:11
sarnoldwebchat25: you could run ntpdate by hand if you need to01:14
sarnoldwebchat25: but better would be to figure out why ntp didn't work on boot01:14
sarnoldwebchat25: systemd-timesyncd is the usual desktop-ish client on newer releases; chrony is the usual server-ish client on newer releases. ntpd was the choice once upon a time but I hope you're on something much newer if you're on a pi401:15
chopz57hello01:32
chopz57i am just checking01:32
sarnoldcheck succeeded01:33
arraybolt3[m]chopz57: One cool trick to see if IRC is working is to use the !ping bot command like so:01:44
arraybolt3[m]!ping01:44
ubottupong!01:44
arraybolt3[m]chopsz57: That "ubottu" user is a bot - if you use !ping, it replies with !pong.01:44
oerheks!human01:46
arraybolt3[m]oerheks: Yep, me is human. Beep, boop.01:47
hackinghorn!pong01:48
ubottupong is an old atari game. It's fun!01:48
arraybolt3[m]hackinghorn: You can see a whole list of cool Ubottu factoids here: https://ubottu.com/factoids.cgi01:49
hackinghornwoo nice01:49
mirthemachineIs this the correct channel to ask questions in?01:53
sarnoldif you're looking for ubuntu support, yeah01:54
mirthemachineThanks - wanted to make sure. I am trying to install Ubuntu 22.04 on my HP Envy 2022 Ryzen 5 model and booting off of a livecd for install eventually hangs at an "hp_wmi unknown event_id - 131073 0x0" message.01:56
sarnoldoof01:57
sarnoldthat's not a great introduction01:57
mirthemachineas in difficult question or I didn't give enough information? First time asking a q in irc01:57
sarnoldoh, sorry ;) I meant that's not a great introducxtion to ubuntu01:58
mirthemachineDon't worry, not an introduction glady enough! I happily run Ubuntu on a few other machines01:58
sarnoldAH! good good01:58
arraybolt3[m]mirthemachine: It's related to USB over Thunderbolt: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/169632501:58
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1696325 in linux (Ubuntu) "USB, display and ethernet ports in HP Thunderbolt dock don't work" [Medium, Confirmed]01:58
mirthemachineHm, I'm not using a dock or thunderbolt01:59
arraybolt3[m](But I doubt that it's the root of the problem - just because that's the last message you see doesn't mean it's the main problem. I'm wondering if a kernel panic is happening?)01:59
arraybolt3[m]mirthemachine: When you boot the Ubuntu installer, can you edit the kernel command line and remove "quiet splash" from the kernel command line, then boot? This may provide more useful data.01:59
mirthemachineYeah I can do that. I'm new to diagnosing this sort of issue. What kind of output would indicate a kernel panic?02:01
arraybolt3[m]It will spit out a terrifying-looking list of cryptic numbers and codes, and at the top of the list it will say "Kernel panic - not syncing".02:01
arraybolt3[m](You can tell I've run into those crummy things once or twice before...)02:02
mirthemachineAnything I can do in that case? I was able to force it through a bit using acpi=strict / off02:02
arraybolt3[m]Depending on the message, it might tell us more things that need to be turned off to make it work.02:02
arraybolt3[m](Or maybe features that need turned on, too.)02:03
arraybolt3[m]Once it hangs, snap a pic of the screen and send it (you can upload it to Imgur and then paste the link here).02:03
mirthemachineAlright - I'm on the machine but on a different os at the moment. I'll pop back in with the same username to give an update. BRB02:03
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arraybolt3[m]👍️02:04
mirthemachine(and I'll get that pic if it will help)02:04
arraybolt3[m]Hopefully the data will have something in it that will give us a clue, so yeah, the pic will help.02:04
mirthemachinebtw I should mention I was able to force it through exactly *once* to install. However I am getting the same error and am unable to run the installer again. I'm not sure that context changes much but I figured I should give all the context for scope. Either way yeah I'll brb and thanks02:05
arraybolt3[m]Thanks, that's good info to have.02:05
mirthemachineHello! Am back. https://i.imgur.com/e42ge1B.jpeg Here's where the output freezes during boot for when I'm trying to boot into the partition I got to install02:14
mirthemachineit's very similar ifnot the same when trying to boot from a livecd02:14
mirthemachineends at this or the hp_wmi error I gave earlier02:14
arraybolt3[m]OK, so that's not a panic, that's good.02:14
arraybolt3[m]But it is odd that it's stuck there. The fact that display output is working at all seems hopeful. I wonder if maybe the issue is with graphics drivers? Try booting the livecd in Safe Graphics mode and see if that gets you able to boot.02:15
arraybolt3[m]If so, that's half the battle solved, then the other half will be figuring out how to get the graphics to work well.02:15
mirthemachineI think I already tried safe graphics mode once but I can try it again (usually ends at the same result). It is an apu I have not seen used very often elsewhere (Ryzen 5 5625u) but I don't know if that would matter as the gpu is a Vega 7 similar to previous models.02:17
mirthemachineAnything else I can try before I start rebootin' again?02:17
arraybolt3[m]mirthemachine: Hmm, well... you could also try using both "acpi=off" and "nolapic" on the command line to see if that helps.02:18
arraybolt3[m]mirthemachine: The only other thing I can think of would be to just let it sit there and see if it eventually figures out what it's doing and gives you a working GUI.02:18
mirthemachineacpi off I've tried and it's mixed bags. Sometimes it gets me through and works other times notsomuch. I'll try waiting sometime soon to see if I can force through a mesa update or something if it figures out how to render the gui02:19
arraybolt3[m]mirthemachine: If you can just boot into the installed system once, you might try installing a mainline kernel and see how that works out.02:19
mirthemachinehaven't tried nolapic. I'll give it a shot. I'll report back in about 10-20 as I gotta do non-linux stuff for a lil bit first ;-;02:19
arraybolt3[m](Your system is very new, and sometimes stuff like installing a mainline kernel is needed to make it work.)02:19
arraybolt3[m]OK 👍️02:20
raubWhen was update-shells removed from the debianutils package?03:00
raubI don't see it in https://packages.ubuntu.com/focal/amd64/debianutils/filelist, but do see it in https://salsa.debian.org/debian/debianutils03:02
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forgotmynickCan someone please explain what %msg:F:5% does in https://www.rsyslog.com/doc/master/rainerscript/functions.html#exec-template ?04:50
forgotmynickNever mind got it https://www.rsyslog.com/doc/04:51
forgotmynickhttps://www.rsyslog.com/doc/v8-stable/configuration/property_replacer.html *04:52
arraybolt3[m]Nice 👍️04:52
CeeClearollo04:54
arraybolt3[m]ello04:54
CeeClearHey. Just had a quick question04:55
arraybolt3[m]Yeah, what's happenin'?04:55
CeeCleargetting a desktop folder  is broken message and the link to my desktop folder isn't working. how would I correct this ?04:56
arraybolt3[m]Can you open a terminal with Ctrl+Alt+T and run "ls", then tell me if you see anything called "Desktop" in there?04:57
arraybolt3[m](Also, what version of Ubuntu are you running?)04:57
CeeClearYes. Desktop,  the Templates and Public Folder all show up as Red04:57
arraybolt3[m]Eh? That's weird, one moment...04:58
arraybolt3[m]Did you do anything with a file archiving program recently?04:59
arraybolt3[m](The red color generally indicates that the thing is an archive of some sort.)04:59
CeeClearI was using Dosbox Staging thats it04:59
arraybolt3[m]Is the background behind the Desktop folder solid black?05:00
arraybolt3[m](This might only be noticeable on some terminal setups, so sorry if that sounds silly.)05:00
arraybolt3[m]Actually, scratch all that. Run "cd Desktop" and tell me what error message it spits out.05:00
CeeClearNo. Background pic I been using. Doesn't sound silly at all you got to ask the questions that could reveal something05:00
CeeClearThe error message is "Too many levels of symbolic links"05:01
arraybolt3[m]OK, that's helpful to know. So did you intentionally move your desktop folder from your main drive onto another one and then try to make a shortcut to it?05:02
CeeClearNaw. Not intentionally I have no idea how this happened05:02
arraybolt3[m]Along with Templates and Public?05:02
arraybolt3[m]That's really weird. Did you have any important data in the Desktop, Templates, or Public folders?05:02
CeeClearNot that I can think of05:03
arraybolt3[m]OK, run "namei Desktop" and describe what it does. Don't paste the output directly into IRC, that makes a bot in here mad, if you want to show me the output verbatim, use Pastebin.com and send the link.05:04
arraybolt3[m](This should help us figure out where on earth the folder went, or if it's stuck in a loop and we need to just trash it and make a new one.)05:06
CeeClearHere you go https://pastebin.com/2etp548605:06
arraybolt3[m]Welp, that explains it. Somehow it's a link pointing to itself. Not sure how that happened, but you can fix it by doing "rm ~/Desktop && mkdir ~/Desktop". That will trash the (broken) Desktop folder and create a new, empty one.05:07
CeeClearshould I do that for Public and Template as well ??05:08
arraybolt3[m]Probably, you can use that namei command on them just to make sure they're behaving equally poorly - if so, then yes, do the same thing to them. If not, we may be able to track down where they went.05:09
arraybolt3[m](Can you think of anything you did recently that had to do with links, or advanced tools, or something? However this happened, we most certainly don't want it to happen again.)05:10
CeeClearI really cant think of anything. I was running a VPN and dosboxstaging and Dosbox at the same time05:11
CeeClearthe Pastebin for Public it looks like its the same thing05:11
CeeClearhttps://pastebin.com/Pfr5drBu05:11
arraybolt3[m]Did you do anything to your Desktop folder or whatever in Dosbox somehow?05:12
arraybolt3[m](Yep, Public is doing the same thing. It's a link pointing to itself.)05:12
CeeClearI'm just going to assume its the same for Templates05:14
CeeClearLet me restart and rejoin Hexchat to see if the changes took effect05:17
CeeClearThanks for the help. The folders are all back05:21
CeeClearso second question How I do I remove my folders from my Background ???05:22
arraybolt3[m]CeeClear: Can you show me what you're talking about? You can take a screenshot, redact any personal info, upload it to Imgur, and send a link.05:24
arraybolt3[m](Also, do be warned, while the folders may be "back", the command we used wasn't a data recovery command - we just deleted the broken folders and created ones that actually work. So don't try to use "rm" for data recovery!)05:25
CeeClearSorry for the delay05:35
CeeClearhere is the imgur link to what I was talking about05:36
CeeClearhttps://imgur.com/4Wngnp105:36
arraybolt3[m]No problem.05:36
arraybolt3[m]Oy. One moment...05:36
dob1I have upgraded to 22.04, when I boot for an instant I read some error/pc05:37
dob1ops05:37
arraybolt3[m]dob1: Does the system function properly despite the warning?05:37
arraybolt3[m]CeeClear: Can you run "nautilus -q" and see if that fixes it?05:39
CeeCleargot it will run ow and let you know05:39
CeeClear<arraybolt3[m]> Ran it. Do I need to restart for it to take effect ??05:41
arraybolt3[m]CeeClear: No, it was supposed to restart just the file manager and should have immediately taken effect.05:41
khadasyoutube05:41
arraybolt3[m]CeeClear: So, run "sudo nano .config/user-dirs.dirs".05:41
arraybolt3[m]CeeClear: This will open a text editor, make sure the "XDG_DESKTOP_DIR" entry is set to "$HOME/Desktop".05:42
arraybolt3[m](It should be the first entry in the file, if your system looks like mine, anyway.)05:42
CeeClearThis is how it shows up XDG_DESKTOP_DIR="$HOME/"05:43
arraybolt3[m]Yep, that's the problem. Add the word "Desktop" immediately after the slash, don't leave any space before the slash or after the "p" of Desktop, then press Ctrl+S to save, Ctrl+X to close, then run "nautilus -q" again.05:44
CeeClearSame with Templates and Public05:44
arraybolt3[m]Probably also change Templates and Public then.05:44
CeeClearJust did Template and Public as well then ran nautilus -q again. Still no change05:48
arraybolt3[m]CeeClear: Hmm. Well then try rebooting and see if that clears it up.05:48
CeeClearWill do. Hope it works05:49
CeeClear arraybolt3[m]> Rebooting Worked. Thank you for saving me so much trouble in fixing this.Ihope you are having a excellent Day/night in your corner of the world05:53
arraybolt3[m]Woot! Glad to have been able to help, and may you have a good day/night also! (It's night where I'm at.)05:53
CeeClearthen have a Great Night my Friend. May you continue to be awesome and excellent when day time comes. Once again thanks for the help05:54
CeeClearHave a great night.05:54
arraybolt3[m]Thanks, and you too!05:55
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cryocaustikhey all - I have a program that creates a UUID when it launches through a pre_launch shell script; is there anyway to export that UUID to a global env variable that would persist?07:01
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SteelRosecryocaustik: export VARIABLE=$UUID07:15
cryocaustikI tried that with https://bpa.st/6LYA but when I echo it after running the script, i get nothing07:21
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ice9when I close the laptop lid it does nothing however the suspension is enabled in gnome-tweaks, any idea?08:25
amaroqAfter "sudo apt update" it says that 1 package can be upgraded. but after sudo apt upgrade it says 0 to upgrade and 1 is held back - gstreamer1.0-vaapi08:37
amaroqI guess I just ignore it?08:37
amaroqIt's just a bit annoying that after 'sudo apt update' there is always a message to upgrade08:38
amaroqapt list --upgrade08:38
amaroqThis is the output after apt list --upgradable     https://pastebin.com/WQZHJJcc08:40
amaroqIt says that there is "1 additional version. Please, use the 'a' switch to see it. I don't know what that means or how08:41
amaroqSounds like I have 2 versions and I only need one, correct? ...can we remove one of the versions?08:42
Maikice9: haven't you asked the same question last week? I thought the matter was discussed.08:51
Noxturnixamaroq: there is a newer version but your current version is being held (probably by a package)08:53
Noxturnixyou can list held packages with `sudo apt-mark showhold` and unhold with `sudo apt-mark unhold <package>`08:55
Noxturnixbut it's not recommended since it's held for a reason08:55
EriC^amaroq: try sudo apt full-upgrade09:10
amaroqEriC^, still held back after "sudo apt full-upgrade"09:15
amaroqNoxturnix, after sudo apt-mark showhold the prompt came back empty09:16
amaroqI can still try sudo apt-mark unhold <package> ?09:16
EriC^amaroq: what happens if you run 'apt list --upgradable -a' ?09:17
amaroqI wonder why it's being held, though? ...perhaps better to just leave it. Everything is working so far and don't want to risk braking and complicating things.09:17
amaroqEriC^, this: https://pastebin.com/Tj2KXqFK09:19
EriC^!info gstreamer1.0-vaapi jammy09:20
ubottugstreamer1.0-vaapi (1.20.1-1ubuntu1, jammy): VA-API plugins for GStreamer. In component universe, is optional. Built by gstreamer-vaapi. Size 329 kB / 871 kB09:20
amaroqIs gstreamer part of ubuntu-restricted-extras?09:20
EriC^no, looks like from the universe repo ^09:21
Noxturnixhm looks like it's the same version but diffenent source/universe09:21
EriC^1.20.1-1ubuntu1 is the repo one, i wonder what jammy,now is though?09:21
amaroqa duplicate from different sources?09:21
EriC^amaroq: what does 'apt-cache policy gstreamer1.0-vaapi' give?09:21
EriC^yeah09:22
amaroqEriC^, this: https://pastebin.com/CAv0nfy409:23
EriC^seems all good amaroq09:25
bargwhy do i need an upgrade notice, is it possible to just upgrade anyway?09:25
amaroqEriC^, thx...I'll just ignore it then until it perhaps sorts itself out09:26
EriC^amaroq: you could run 'sudo apt-get install gstreamer1.0-vaapi' , it should upgrade it to the current repo version09:26
amaroqok09:26
EriC^barg: what do you mean? what upgrade notice?09:27
amaroqBTW, is there a difference between sudo apt install and sudo apt-get install? Years back when I was in Ubuntu it used to be apt-get and now I see a lot of commands are simply apt install09:27
amaroqEriC^, interesting? https://pastebin.com/wKd0feWc09:29
amaroqis it asking for libgstreamer-plugins-bad1.0-0 ?09:30
bargEriC^: I have ubuntu 20.04 I want to alt-get install ugrep, it says "unable to locate package".    I see it listed https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=ugrep&searchon=names&suite=all&section=all   impish (21.10)   and jammy (22.04LTS) and kinetic (utils).  I was wondering if I should add all three of those repos Or just kinetic (since my ubuntu version is before the one specified by09:30
bargimpish and jammy).  But somebody showed with !info ugrep focal  that Package ugrep does not exist in focal.. And  tha package is just not available for 20.04, trying to install can give a dependencie problem.   And suggested to wait for a week to get the upgrade notice to 22.04.1  4 august09:30
EriC^amaroq: yeah, it wants 1.20.3+ for some reason09:33
EriC^!info libgstreamer-plugins-bad1.0-0 jammy09:33
ubottulibgstreamer-plugins-bad1.0-0 (1.20.1-1ubuntu2, jammy): GStreamer libraries from the "bad" set. In component universe, is extra. Built by gst-plugins-bad1.0. Size 478 kB / 1,651 kB09:33
EriC^the repo one is the one you have installed, i wonder why gstreamer1.0 wants a newer version as a dependency09:34
EriC^barg: dont add those repos, you should never add repos from other ubuntu versions like that, it'll break stuff, if you want to upgrade to 22.04 right now you could do 'sudo do-release-upgrade -d'09:35
EriC^!info ugrep focal09:36
ubottuPackage ugrep does not exist in focal09:36
EriC^probably easiest to just upgrade09:36
EriC^amaroq: i think it has to do with it saying (phased 60%) in the policy output, seems it's some feature in 21.04+ https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/phased-updates-in-apt-in-21-04/20345/609:40
EriC^i think it will sort itself out after it's "fully phased"09:41
bargEriC^: thanks09:43
amaroqEriC^, thank you ))09:44
EriC^no problem09:47
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ice9Maik, yep but wasn't resolved10:07
Maikice9: try askubuntu.com or on the ubuntu forums10:17
alocerice9: what was the problm again? i wasn't here10:44
ice9alocer, when I close the laptop lid it does nothing however the suspension is enabled in gnome-tweaks10:53
alocerice9: ubuntu and gnome-tweaks are really that of a friend to each other make sure its enabled in the settings app.10:55
alocerice9: my experience with gnome-tweaks in ubuntu is really bad.10:55
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Maikalocer: that's your experience :)11:12
Maikice9: as said try askubuntu.com or on the ubuntu forums, you might have more luck getting help there with your issue. Otherwise file a bug on launchpad.11:14
BebefHi everyone! o/11:19
bargcan i mix and match apt and apt-get e.g.  apt-get purge apache2  followed by  apt autoremove ?11:21
ravagebarg, yes11:21
BebefLooking into serial console support for Ubuntu 20.04, I find that all manuals simply add the serial config in GRUB. There's no explicit configuration of something like getty@ttyS0 or something. Are the GRUB parameters really enough, no other configuration needed?11:22
enycBebef: hrrm not on ubuntu but I have serial-console-config on a debian similar system, also sometimes with xen11:25
enycBebef: not tried with systemd/ubuntu but an extra getty for ttyS0 is indeed needed11:25
bargis there a general APT core library shared by apt and apt-get, if so, then does it have no package name?11:25
enycbarg: use 'ldd' to check what libraries a binary uses11:26
enycbarg: ldd /usr/bin/apt  or whatever11:26
ravageapt has no reliable API11:26
ravageuse apt-get for scripts11:26
Linux^hi11:27
enycbarg: use  dpkg -S   on a package file  or   packages.ubuntu.com  website  to check which package provides a particular file11:27
Bebefenyc: That was what I thought, but no how-to mentiones this. So I assumed some mechanism "if kernel-parameter = serial then getty@ttyS0", but I'm not sure about this (and have no means to test it).11:27
Linux^how can I turn on unattended upgrade with a exception applicatio?11:27
Linux^which I do not want to upgrade11:27
ravageLinux^, unattended-upgrades usually only install security updates. you always want those11:28
Linux^oh so It does not upgrade everything we see in apt get update?11:28
enycBebef: my /etc/default/grub has     GRUB_TERMINAL="console serial"      GRUB_SERIAL_COMMAND="serial --unit=0 --speed=115200 --word=8 --parity=no --stop=1"  GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="console=tty0 console=ttyS0,115200n8"   GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="console=tty0 console=ttyS0,115200n8"11:28
ravageLinux^, the default setting is secrurity updates. you can check your config and the manpage to tune stuff11:29
Linux^ok11:29
Linux^How to ignore updates that require restarts?11:29
ravagewhy would you ignore them?11:30
Linux^also If I do not restart ever  even after upgrading the upgrades that need restarts what will happen?11:30
ravageyou will not get the security benefit of that update11:30
enycBebef: /etc/inittab may work with    T0:2345:respawn:/sbin/getty -L ttyS0 115200 vt100      BUT there may be a systemd way of doing it  (direct message me any thing you find out...)11:30
Linux^But it is upgrading no?11:30
Bebefenyc: Yeah, that's basically what I have, too (in grub).11:30
Linux^It is upgrading but not working?11:30
ravageLinux^, yes the update will install11:31
enycBebef: it get more fun with hypervisors ;o11:32
enycBebef: you then get... xen or whatever on tty  with liunx on hvc0  and stuff ;o11:32
Bebefenyc: Even worse. I'm preparing a custom image for Azure m(11:32
enycBebef: or,  having memtest86+ 115200 serial and  plop bootloader serial  and stuff :O11:32
Linux^ravage  it will install but  not work?11:32
ravageLinux^, correct11:33
enycBebef: I never got Google's SGABIOS to behave for me ;o11:33
Linux^Is there any way I can live update without restarting?11:33
ravageLinux^, if the update requires a restart then no11:33
Linux^Looks I will stop bothering about updates. Just let it stay the way it is11:34
ravageLinux^, bad idea. but good luck11:34
Linux^"If it works let it stay that way"11:34
Linux^Nobody gonna hack me11:34
ravagefamous last words11:34
Linux^every 60 days. ok will update every 60 days or 90 days11:36
Linux^90 days is better11:36
ravageLinux^, that is totally up to you. our advice is to install and apply any available security updates asap.11:37
ravageif you have any other support question ask. for general discussions please use #ubuntu-discuss or #ubuntu-offtopic11:37
Linux^I think security updates do not require  restarts only kernel updates require restarts11:37
Linux^am I right?11:38
ravagemost security updates require the restart of one ore more services11:38
ravagethe tool "needsrestart" can tell you details11:38
ravageneedrestart11:39
barghow can i see what rules ufw has before i make ufw active? currently ufw is inactive but if i activate it then i might lose ssh access?11:45
bargah great ufw show added11:50
BluesKajHi all12:05
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propushello12:33
transhumanistso I installed kde on Ubuntu 22.04 (for a change) can't get screenshots to work installed kde-spectical still doesnt work, any ideas?12:35
transhumanistnm figured it out12:39
transhumanistseems spectical doesnt setup a shortcut key12:39
SteelRosetranshumanist: Spectacle usually has a default key for screenshots (PrtScr). I'd suggest ksnip though - which you also must configure depending on your needs...12:53
transhumanistthanks SteelRose I appreciate the input12:54
SteelRosetranshumanist: anytime12:58
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Guest88What would be the best channel to look for help on ecryptfs ?14:21
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apexrelatively new to Ubuntu... how do I correctly point my 22.04 host to my LOCAL DNS server (router) so that I am able to resolve other Win, Mac, LNX host on my local LAN?  I've spent considerable time trying numerous and various settings found via Googling. none have worked for me.14:22
leftyfbapex: DHCP14:23
leftyfbapex: configure it on your router14:23
apexlefty All local hosts are fixed IPs with their IPs/names set in the router config14:25
leftyfbwhy?14:25
apexservers that require permanant fixed IP14:25
leftyfbapex: is the ubuntu machine set static?14:26
apexyes14:26
leftyfbapex: is it running ubuntu server (no desktop GUI) or ubuntu desktop?14:27
apexthe Ubuntu machine in question is not running Ubuntu Server.  I primarily SSH to it from other machines14:28
leftyfbapex: then set your nameserver in network manager14:28
apexthx reading...14:30
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LuksNuke_Hello Friends15:38
LuksNuke_So now I'm on impish and cannot do any apt update / apt dist-upgrade15:38
LuksNuke_what to do know? except of reinstalling system?15:38
mybalzitchwhats the error15:38
LuksNuke_s/know/now/15:38
LuksNuke_40415:38
LuksNuke_wait a bit, my raspi is restarting15:38
mybalzitchyou might need to use a different mirror then15:39
ravage!eolupgrade | LuksNuke_15:39
ubottuLuksNuke_: End-Of-Life is when security updates and support for an Ubuntu release stop. Make sure to update Ubuntu before it goes EOL so you get updates promptly for newly-discovered security vulnerabilities. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOL and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases for more info. Looking to upgrade from an EOL release? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades15:39
leftyfbLuksNuke_: time to upgrade to a supported release15:44
LuksNuke_I'm about to follow the steps suggested by ravage15:45
LuksNuke_be prepared for some kisses sent over the internet15:45
LuksNuke_update worked so far :)15:46
* LuksNuke_ sends kiss #115:46
LuksNuke_upgrade worked also15:50
LuksNuke_now hoping good luck with dist upgrade15:50
webchat22Can anyone guide me on how to install openssh from source15:52
webchat22Server15:52
leftyfbwebchat22: why do you think you need to install from source?15:53
webchat22Because I don't have openssh on my distro15:54
webchat22I 'M using puppylinux 9.515:54
ravagewebchat22, then seek support on your distros support15:54
ravagethis channel is for Ubuntu15:55
webchat22I can't seem to find it15:55
ravageuse a search engine15:55
webchat22Ok15:55
webchat22But is it not the same way to do it15:56
leftyfbwebchat22: sorry, but we can only support Ubuntu here. Good luck15:56
webchat22Thanks15:56
leftyfbwebchat22: https://forum.puppylinux.com/15:57
leftyfbwebchat22: /join #puppylinux15:57
jhutchins1PUPPY15:58
jhutchins!puppy15:58
jhutchins!puppy linux15:58
jhutchinsNo resources found.15:59
jhutchinsMaybe check for support resources before choosing a distro.15:59
ograbut puppies are so cute ... perhaps they simply attracted webchat22 with their big eyes ...16:02
LuksNuke_ravage, got write error no space left16:03
LuksNuke_now purging all this crap like gnome desktop etc. i don't need16:03
LuksNuke_should have buy a 64gb sd... however16:03
ravageLuksNuke_, maybe it is easier to backup the files you need and start with a fresh 22.04 image16:05
LuksNuke_ravage, trying to prevent this16:05
LuksNuke_already backed up16:05
jhutchinsogra: Supposedly puppy runs entirely from RAM, making it fast and low-I/O usage.16:07
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LuksNuke_ravage, from 100% to 95%16:26
LuksNuke_still looking for some crap to uninstall. currently autoremoving 1/2gb16:26
LuksNuke_next, uninstall xorg16:27
leftyfbLuksNuke_: please try to keep your posts to support related. We do not need a play-by-play16:28
leftyfbLuksNuke_: that said, you are making WAY more effort trying to clean up an install -> upgrade then it would take to just fresh install it16:28
LuksNuke_leftyfb, not talking to you16:28
lotuspsychjethats not how support works here LuksNuke_16:28
LuksNuke_its ok. thank you all. but I will notice you if i succeed16:29
GunArmshell question: i see commands similar to this here and there but this never works for me, what am I missing?   `foo=bar echo $foo`16:57
GunArmi see it used almost exactly in that format for setting IFS for things, also docker seems to prepend every RUN command with the full set of ARGs, by providing them this way16:58
jhutchinsGunArm:  http://www.linuxcommand.org/ https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicCommands http://www.macdevcenter.com/pub/a/mac/2005/05/20/terminal1.html http://www.ischool.berkeley.edu/~kevin/unix-tutorial/toc.html  http://linuxcommand.org/lc3_learning_the_shell.php  http://linuxcommand.org/tlcl.php16:59
jhutchinsGunArm: You might get more direct help in #bash17:00
jhutchinsGunArm: Some really deep knowledge is available there.17:00
GunArmok, I'll ask there, thanks17:00
jhutchinsGunArm: I'm not sure what your actual question is though.17:00
kushal_kumaran<kushal> GunArm: the problem with your example is that it is evaluated by the shell before it looks at your foo=bar assignment. Instead if you create a script containing `echo $foo` and run `foo=bar bash yourscript.sh` you'll see what you expect.17:00
jhutchinsGunArm: It might simply be that you're not putting a CR between the commands, foo=bar has to execute before $foo will = bar.17:02
GunArmkushal_kumaran: ah ok that makes sense, thanks17:02
GunArmjhutchins: yeah but from what I can tell the point of the syntax is to set it for a single following command, but not to persist in the shell after17:02
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jhutchinsGunArm: Thinking of commands I've seen for things like setting the language for a command in order to produce english output for a troubleshooting pastebin, I don't recall that the variables are manually cleared.  They would presumably persist.17:43
kushal_kumaran<kushal> jhutchins: they do not. If you keep the variable assignment by itself, it persists within the shell. But if you put the variable assignment with a command, the variable assignment only stays for that command. That is why the instructions for setting language, etc, are written that way: to avoid messing up people's shells.18:00
jhutchinskushal_kumaran: Could you provide an example of persistent vs. non-persistent?18:03
kushal_kumaran<kushal> jhutchins: sure. see https://paste.debian.net/1248647/18:06
kushal_kumaran<kushal> you'll note that the VAR variable only has value for the duration of the command it was assigned alongside18:06
kushal_kumaran<kushal> if you set the variable by itself, it is now set for the remainder of the shell. There are additional wrinkles if you want this variable visible to commands you run (you need to export the variable). Demo at https://paste.debian.net/1248649/18:12
jhutchinsWow, it seems impossible to get a straight answer to a simple bash question without embellishments that make the actuall question irrelevant.18:15
arraybolt3[m]jhutchins: Bash do be like that sometimes.18:16
jhutchinskushal_kumaran: I'm asking about the very common scenario of someone running a shell in a language other than english, and needing to post the output of a single diagnostic command in english.18:16
jhutchinsThere is a convention so common that it's a one-line factoid in the #debian bot, I just don't remember the key.18:17
kushal_kumaran`LANG=C apt-get update` and the like?18:18
jhutchinskushal_kumaran: Exactly, so it's just seperated by a space then.  If it were seperated by a semicolon (;) it would persist.18:20
jhutchinskushal_kumaran: Thank you.18:21
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grymi've installed 18.04 with the minimal option, then installed i3 as my DE.  How can i tell what the notification system being used is? is it dunst?18:54
leftyfbgrym: why did you pick 18.04? (released 4+ years ago, 3 LTS releases ago)18:57
grymleftyfb: $work18:57
oerheksgrym, the notification system that you installed? dunst is just an option, AFAIK19:01
oerheksand one needs to make it autostart too.19:02
grymoerheks: right; i didn't explicitly install anything, i clicked the "basic install" option in the installer, and i wanted to know what that meant w/r/t notification system choice19:06
oerheksso, why did you ask?19:06
grymdo i need to just say that twice?19:06
grymi asked because i wanted to theme it, it's ugly19:07
grymbut i don't know which "it" my notification system is, because the installer does not tell you that19:07
oerheksmaybe your issue was it did not autostart..19:08
grymno, i get notifications just fine19:08
grymthey're just ass-ugly19:08
grymso i need to know what program's rc file to kick at19:09
grymso: for an 18.04 minimal install, what's the notification system19:09
eamI can't seem to find a package with text2pdf, a very old pdf utility. Is there some umbrella pdf package I'm unaware of? Is there an index of all files in the apt repos? (like dpkg would have for locally installed packages - but I want to search the entire repository)19:41
sarnoldeam: apt-file19:43
leftyfbeam: apt-file search text2pdf # gives this as a result: libpdf-api2-perl: /usr/share/doc/libpdf-api2-perl/examples/text2pdf.pl19:43
eamooh, thanks! looks like that's yet another text/pdf tool19:44
leftyfbeam: I'm pretty sure it's the same tool19:45
eamtext2pdf is a c program19:47
eamI just built it, but I'd rather manage it through the packaging system19:48
eamlooks like that one's using Text::PDF, which ... might be useful too19:48
leftyfbit doesn't look like that19:48
leftyfbthat's available anymore19:48
sarnoldeam: pandoc is pretty popular for converting formats; it might do what you need19:51
sarnoldeam: back when I did way more printing, I used a2ps for converting text to postscript; it's not the same, but having a postscript blob is sometimes useful inthe same places a pdf is sometimes useful19:51
rfmthere's good old enscript, too, which is in universe19:53
ioriathat c code is 12 years old, but ok19:55
sarnoldis that it? I thought enscript was in the 30-ish range19:56
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eamsarnold: yeah, that could work too, thanks! I'm doing something very silly, converting a few thousand rfc822 email files into pdf format so lawyers can affix their "CONFIDENTIAL" marker on each page20:05
sarnold       To process a mailbox in 4 up,20:07
sarnold              $ a2ps -=mail -4 mailbox20:07
sarnoldI'm 90% sure I've used a2ps to format emails 'neatly'20:07
sarnoldthough it's probably from the era of plain text emails; I bet it would make a ghastly mess of modern html email20:08
sarnoldor even the quoted printable sort of stuff20:08
eamoooh, that would be really helpful. I don't know yet if they want readable or complete (I gave them both options), I was thinking I'd have to parse it with an email client for the former20:08
eamthey may just want the whole dumb raw thing20:08
eamI also figured out pdfs can have attachments and offered to attach the mail to the PDF20:09
jhutchinssarnold: mime email almost always has a plain text block.20:09
sarnoldjhutchins: yeah, I think most human-operated email clients will do multipart/alternative with one plain text, one stupid html20:10
eampdftk foo.pdf attach_files foo.eml to_page 1 output foo-attached.pdf # attaching files20:10
jhutchinseam: That sounds suspiciously like the work a company I used to work for does.  They do text discovery - word A within so many words of word B and such.20:10
sarnoldbut a lot of companies generate garbage and only send along html, or the plain text is useless, etc20:10
eamI had a long conversation with a paralegal about why an email isn't just one file, and isn't something you can fully represent on a printed page20:11
leftyfbeam: it is the Maildir format, but not mbox20:12
eamleftyfb: yeah, I mean that there are multiple files of arbitrary rendering complexity contained inside any rfc822 mail file20:12
epoptwhoami20:23
BlackMagewhy i cannot text of a xmessage ?20:51
BlackMage* cannot copy text of a xmessage ?20:51
jhutchinsBlackMage: What did you try to do?  How did you try to do it?  What did you expect to happen?  What happened instead?20:57
jhutchinsBlackMage: You're holding it upside-down?20:57
BlackMagei would display a text box, where i can copy infornation for the program that opened21:00
BlackMagewhat  means i holding it upside-down?21:00
EriC^BlackMage: if you highlight the text by double clicking it, you can paste using middle mouse button21:03
jhutchinsBlackMage: What generated the xmessage?  It should display in a window on your virtual desktop.  You may or may not be able to copy and paste it.21:03
EriC^or i think also ctrl+shift+insert21:03
jhutchinsEriC^: I think that's paste.21:03
EriC^sorry shift+insert21:03
EriC^jhutchins: yes i think he cant copy it, using ctrl+c/v doesnt work21:04
EriC^the 2nd clipboard of highlighting and middle mouse button/shift+insert is working for me though BlackMage21:04
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jhutchinsSometimes the only thing that works for me is right-click, choose copy.21:07
jhutchins!de21:08
ubottuIn den meisten Ubuntu-Kanälen wird nur Englisch gesprochen. Für deutschsprachige Hilfe besuche bitte #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #edubuntu-de oder #ubuntu-at. Einfach "/join #ubuntu-de" eingeben. Danke für Dein Verständnis!21:08
BlackMageon right-click opens nothing21:12
BlackMageidk why..21:12
EriC^BlackMage: double click the text, and then somewhere press middle mouse button or shift+insert and it will paste, as long as the text is highlighted21:12
BlackMage? how helps me to copy text?21:13
EriC^BlackMage: when you highlight the text it's copied, but use shift+insert to paste instead of ctrl+v21:14
BlackMagewhy copy selection is used?21:15
EriC^i have no idea21:15
EriC^it's odd that ctrl+c/right click doesnt work21:16
BlackMageits only 'me' copied21:18
BlackMagesecond and third letter of xmessage21:18
BlackMagebut why?21:19
penderdrillHi! How are you all doing?21:23
penderdrillHELLO PEOPLE RESPOND PEOPLE21:23
penderdrillPEOPLE OF CHINA21:23
leftyfbpenderdrill: hello. What you do need help with?21:23
penderdrillI need to know your favorite colour.21:24
penderdrillOG NICKNAME21:24
EriC^BlackMage: i didnt understand what you mean, maybe you can do the copying from before you send the message using xmessage21:24
leftyfbpenderdrill: this is a support channel. Feel free to chat in #ubuntu-offtopic21:24
EriC^BlackMage: you could send it to the clipboard using xclip21:25
EriC^BlackMage: echo "$your_xmessage" | xclip -selection clipboard21:29
EriC^BlackMage: if you explain more exactly what you're doing and what you're trying to achieve it might help to solve your issue21:30
gneeriiloeepdeerabout firefox snap: I use several firefox profiles. This doesn't mean I have to update snap for every profile, correct? because each time there is a new version and I run 'sudo snap refresh firefox' I have to run it several times: I run it once, think Im done with it but the next day, Ill have to run it again. Why?21:32
leftyfbgneeriiloeepdeer: first answer: no. You might want to check #snappy for help with that issue though21:34
clarkkI have noticed this evening that I have a disk mounted,  /var/lib/snapd/snaps/core20_1518.snap (deleted)   What is this?21:41
leftyfbreboot21:42
leftyfbI had the same issue. There's a bug with the core snap that leaves an orphan mount after being updated21:43
clarkkleftyfb, ah, great. Thank you.21:47
goddarddoes online accounts for microsoft account crash for you all?21:51
goddard(gnome-control-center:104816): Gdk-CRITICAL **: 17:53:34.863: gdk_wayland_window_set_dbus_properties_libgtk_only: assertion 'GDK_IS_WAYLAND_WINDOW (window)' failed21:53
goddardSegmentation fault (core dumped)21:53
jhutchinsBlackMage: Can you just type what the message says?21:55
BlackMageits just input data for the program for me21:57
ravagegoddard, im on Xorg and the window to login opens. i dont have an account to test the actual login. try if it works on Xorg. then open a bug report21:59
ScipI'm dual booting windows/ubuntu and am trying to migrate to a new hard drive. I cloned my drive by copy/pasting partitions in gparted (+ copying flags), but ended up with bad boot settings (windows gives 0x000000e error, ubuntu grub doesn't show up in bios menu).23:43
ScipThe drive works when I install a fresh OS on it, so I know it's a problem with my migrated settings. I've tried boot-repair but it still doesn't work. Overall I'd like to boot in UEFI mode into a grub menu that lets me choose windows/ubuntu.23:43
ScipIs it obvious where something might have gone wrong? Drive/partition info: https://pastebin.com/DqcPZivq23:43
leftyfbScip: I would recommend utilizing a tool like ansible to rebuild your system. Not full disc cloning. Though if you must, use clonezilla23:45
oerhekswhen cloning, UUIDs changes..23:51
oerhekshttps://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingUUID23:51
oerheksone needs to boot in live mode, and fix grub2 with the correct numbers..23:52
oerheksbootrepair probably showed this too23:53

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