[00:48] <tortal> im looking to update my apt source.list from a trustable source.... i foudnt his https://repogen.simplylinux.ch/ ... but it's outdated
[00:50] <oerheks> update?
[00:50] <oerheks> that is not a genuine way to upgrade to a next ubuntu..
[00:51] <oerheks> reverse to your original list> cp /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list  /etc/apt/sources.list
[00:51] <oerheks> maybe universe is disabled ..
[00:54] <tortal> im nooking to upgrade the distro version.. im looking to add deb repos that dont have official support for LTS 20+
[00:54] <oerheks> oh, good luck with that.
[00:55] <oerheks> better build those from source,..
[00:56] <sarnold> or ask them to target your OS directly
[01:03] <webchat25> i got a bit of an odd issue imo.
[01:03] <webchat25> i am running ubuntu 20.04 on a raspberry pi 4, and everything was fine until my internet cut out yesterday.
[01:03] <webchat25> `systemctl status` shows `ubuntu` started running since `Wed 1969-12-31 19:00:05 EST; 52 years 6 months ago` and it causes issues to ssl certificates and stuff like that
[01:03] <webchat25> i can give more information when needed. i just cant figure this out
[01:05] <Bashing-om> webchat25: Check the time set in bios ?
[01:05] <sarnold> webchat25: those machines are made very cheaply -- they don't have a real time clock
[01:05] <sarnold> webchat25: so the only way they know the time is by asking another machine -- usually systemd-timesyncd should have taken care of that early in the boot
[01:06] <arraybolt3[m]> webchat25: If you leave it connected to the Internet for a bit, it should auto-update the time from an NTP server.
[01:06] <sarnold> (well, not *early*, it can't happen until networking has come up :)
[01:07] <arraybolt3[m]> webchat25: Though, if it's saying it started running 52 years ago, that sounds to me like the time did update. Just in case, try installing ntpdate and using that to manually update the time. That should fix it if nothing else will.
[01:08] <webchat25> ive waited a few hours, as well as setting it with an ntp server, but it hasnt worked. most other services ive checked show it correctly
[01:08] <arraybolt3[m]> So SSL sites still aren't working?
[01:08] <webchat25> correct
[01:09] <oerheks> boot live media ..?
[01:09] <arraybolt3[m]> oerheks: Not an option on an RPi.
[01:09] <arraybolt3[m]> webchat25: And the browser is specifically telling you it's because of the time?
[01:09] <arraybolt3[m]> (Maybe restart the browser.)
[01:10] <webchat25> im assuming its because of the time it shows. its the only thing that has noticeably changed
[01:10] <webchat25> ive cleared my browser's cookies and cache and it doesnt work
[01:11] <arraybolt3[m]> webchat25: The browser should tell you why it's happening if you choose to look at the advanced details. If you updated the time via NTP and it still isn't working, then time is almost certainly not at fault.
[01:11] <arraybolt3[m]> (You could set the time manually just to be sure, or try rebooting the Pi.)
[01:14] <sarnold> webchat25: you could run ntpdate by hand if you need to
[01:14] <sarnold> webchat25: but better would be to figure out why ntp didn't work on boot
[01:15] <sarnold> webchat25: systemd-timesyncd is the usual desktop-ish client on newer releases; chrony is the usual server-ish client on newer releases. ntpd was the choice once upon a time but I hope you're on something much newer if you're on a pi4
[01:32] <chopz57> hello
[01:32] <chopz57> i am just checking
[01:33] <sarnold> check succeeded
[01:44] <arraybolt3[m]> chopz57: One cool trick to see if IRC is working is to use the !ping bot command like so:
[01:44] <arraybolt3[m]> !ping
[01:44] <arraybolt3[m]> chopsz57: That "ubottu" user is a bot - if you use !ping, it replies with !pong.
[01:46] <oerheks> !human
[01:47] <arraybolt3[m]> oerheks: Yep, me is human. Beep, boop.
[01:48] <hackinghorn> !pong
[01:49] <arraybolt3[m]> hackinghorn: You can see a whole list of cool Ubottu factoids here: https://ubottu.com/factoids.cgi
[01:49] <hackinghorn> woo nice
[01:53] <mirthemachine> Is this the correct channel to ask questions in?
[01:54] <sarnold> if you're looking for ubuntu support, yeah
[01:56] <mirthemachine> Thanks - wanted to make sure. I am trying to install Ubuntu 22.04 on my HP Envy 2022 Ryzen 5 model and booting off of a livecd for install eventually hangs at an "hp_wmi unknown event_id - 131073 0x0" message.
[01:57] <sarnold> oof
[01:57] <sarnold> that's not a great introduction
[01:57] <mirthemachine> as in difficult question or I didn't give enough information? First time asking a q in irc
[01:58] <sarnold> oh, sorry ;) I meant that's not a great introducxtion to ubuntu
[01:58] <mirthemachine> Don't worry, not an introduction glady enough! I happily run Ubuntu on a few other machines
[01:58] <sarnold> AH! good good
[01:58] <arraybolt3[m]> mirthemachine: It's related to USB over Thunderbolt: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1696325
[01:59] <mirthemachine> Hm, I'm not using a dock or thunderbolt
[01:59] <arraybolt3[m]> (But I doubt that it's the root of the problem - just because that's the last message you see doesn't mean it's the main problem. I'm wondering if a kernel panic is happening?)
[01:59] <arraybolt3[m]> mirthemachine: When you boot the Ubuntu installer, can you edit the kernel command line and remove "quiet splash" from the kernel command line, then boot? This may provide more useful data.
[02:01] <mirthemachine> Yeah I can do that. I'm new to diagnosing this sort of issue. What kind of output would indicate a kernel panic?
[02:01] <arraybolt3[m]> It will spit out a terrifying-looking list of cryptic numbers and codes, and at the top of the list it will say "Kernel panic - not syncing".
[02:02] <arraybolt3[m]> (You can tell I've run into those crummy things once or twice before...)
[02:02] <mirthemachine> Anything I can do in that case? I was able to force it through a bit using acpi=strict / off
[02:02] <arraybolt3[m]> Depending on the message, it might tell us more things that need to be turned off to make it work.
[02:03] <arraybolt3[m]> (Or maybe features that need turned on, too.)
[02:03] <arraybolt3[m]> Once it hangs, snap a pic of the screen and send it (you can upload it to Imgur and then paste the link here).
[02:03] <mirthemachine> Alright - I'm on the machine but on a different os at the moment. I'll pop back in with the same username to give an update. BRB
[02:04] <arraybolt3[m]> 👍️
[02:04] <mirthemachine> (and I'll get that pic if it will help)
[02:04] <arraybolt3[m]> Hopefully the data will have something in it that will give us a clue, so yeah, the pic will help.
[02:05] <mirthemachine> btw I should mention I was able to force it through exactly *once* to install. However I am getting the same error and am unable to run the installer again. I'm not sure that context changes much but I figured I should give all the context for scope. Either way yeah I'll brb and thanks
[02:05] <arraybolt3[m]> Thanks, that's good info to have.
[02:14] <mirthemachine> Hello! Am back. https://i.imgur.com/e42ge1B.jpeg Here's where the output freezes during boot for when I'm trying to boot into the partition I got to install
[02:14] <mirthemachine> it's very similar ifnot the same when trying to boot from a livecd
[02:14] <mirthemachine> ends at this or the hp_wmi error I gave earlier
[02:14] <arraybolt3[m]> OK, so that's not a panic, that's good.
[02:15] <arraybolt3[m]> But it is odd that it's stuck there. The fact that display output is working at all seems hopeful. I wonder if maybe the issue is with graphics drivers? Try booting the livecd in Safe Graphics mode and see if that gets you able to boot.
[02:15] <arraybolt3[m]> If so, that's half the battle solved, then the other half will be figuring out how to get the graphics to work well.
[02:17] <mirthemachine> I think I already tried safe graphics mode once but I can try it again (usually ends at the same result). It is an apu I have not seen used very often elsewhere (Ryzen 5 5625u) but I don't know if that would matter as the gpu is a Vega 7 similar to previous models.
[02:17] <mirthemachine> Anything else I can try before I start rebootin' again?
[02:18] <arraybolt3[m]> mirthemachine: Hmm, well... you could also try using both "acpi=off" and "nolapic" on the command line to see if that helps.
[02:18] <arraybolt3[m]> mirthemachine: The only other thing I can think of would be to just let it sit there and see if it eventually figures out what it's doing and gives you a working GUI.
[02:19] <mirthemachine> acpi off I've tried and it's mixed bags. Sometimes it gets me through and works other times notsomuch. I'll try waiting sometime soon to see if I can force through a mesa update or something if it figures out how to render the gui
[02:19] <arraybolt3[m]> mirthemachine: If you can just boot into the installed system once, you might try installing a mainline kernel and see how that works out.
[02:19] <mirthemachine> haven't tried nolapic. I'll give it a shot. I'll report back in about 10-20 as I gotta do non-linux stuff for a lil bit first ;-;
[02:19] <arraybolt3[m]> (Your system is very new, and sometimes stuff like installing a mainline kernel is needed to make it work.)
[02:20] <arraybolt3[m]> OK 👍️
[03:00] <raub> When was update-shells removed from the debianutils package?
[03:02] <raub> I don't see it in https://packages.ubuntu.com/focal/amd64/debianutils/filelist, but do see it in https://salsa.debian.org/debian/debianutils
[04:50] <forgotmynick> Can someone please explain what %msg:F:5% does in https://www.rsyslog.com/doc/master/rainerscript/functions.html#exec-template ?
[04:51] <forgotmynick> Never mind got it https://www.rsyslog.com/doc/
[04:52] <forgotmynick> https://www.rsyslog.com/doc/v8-stable/configuration/property_replacer.html *
[04:52] <arraybolt3[m]> Nice 👍️
[04:54] <CeeClear> ollo
[04:54] <arraybolt3[m]> ello
[04:55] <CeeClear> Hey. Just had a quick question
[04:55] <arraybolt3[m]> Yeah, what's happenin'?
[04:56] <CeeClear> getting a desktop folder  is broken message and the link to my desktop folder isn't working. how would I correct this ?
[04:57] <arraybolt3[m]> Can you open a terminal with Ctrl+Alt+T and run "ls", then tell me if you see anything called "Desktop" in there?
[04:57] <arraybolt3[m]> (Also, what version of Ubuntu are you running?)
[04:57] <CeeClear> Yes. Desktop,  the Templates and Public Folder all show up as Red
[04:58] <arraybolt3[m]> Eh? That's weird, one moment...
[04:59] <arraybolt3[m]> Did you do anything with a file archiving program recently?
[04:59] <arraybolt3[m]> (The red color generally indicates that the thing is an archive of some sort.)
[04:59] <CeeClear> I was using Dosbox Staging thats it
[05:00] <arraybolt3[m]> Is the background behind the Desktop folder solid black?
[05:00] <arraybolt3[m]> (This might only be noticeable on some terminal setups, so sorry if that sounds silly.)
[05:00] <arraybolt3[m]> Actually, scratch all that. Run "cd Desktop" and tell me what error message it spits out.
[05:00] <CeeClear> No. Background pic I been using. Doesn't sound silly at all you got to ask the questions that could reveal something
[05:01] <CeeClear> The error message is "Too many levels of symbolic links"
[05:02] <arraybolt3[m]> OK, that's helpful to know. So did you intentionally move your desktop folder from your main drive onto another one and then try to make a shortcut to it?
[05:02] <CeeClear> Naw. Not intentionally I have no idea how this happened
[05:02] <arraybolt3[m]> Along with Templates and Public?
[05:02] <arraybolt3[m]> That's really weird. Did you have any important data in the Desktop, Templates, or Public folders?
[05:03] <CeeClear> Not that I can think of
[05:04] <arraybolt3[m]> OK, run "namei Desktop" and describe what it does. Don't paste the output directly into IRC, that makes a bot in here mad, if you want to show me the output verbatim, use Pastebin.com and send the link.
[05:06] <arraybolt3[m]> (This should help us figure out where on earth the folder went, or if it's stuck in a loop and we need to just trash it and make a new one.)
[05:06] <CeeClear> Here you go https://pastebin.com/2etp5486
[05:07] <arraybolt3[m]> Welp, that explains it. Somehow it's a link pointing to itself. Not sure how that happened, but you can fix it by doing "rm ~/Desktop && mkdir ~/Desktop". That will trash the (broken) Desktop folder and create a new, empty one.
[05:08] <CeeClear> should I do that for Public and Template as well ??
[05:09] <arraybolt3[m]> Probably, you can use that namei command on them just to make sure they're behaving equally poorly - if so, then yes, do the same thing to them. If not, we may be able to track down where they went.
[05:10] <arraybolt3[m]> (Can you think of anything you did recently that had to do with links, or advanced tools, or something? However this happened, we most certainly don't want it to happen again.)
[05:11] <CeeClear> I really cant think of anything. I was running a VPN and dosboxstaging and Dosbox at the same time
[05:11] <CeeClear> the Pastebin for Public it looks like its the same thing
[05:11] <CeeClear> https://pastebin.com/Pfr5drBu
[05:12] <arraybolt3[m]> Did you do anything to your Desktop folder or whatever in Dosbox somehow?
[05:12] <arraybolt3[m]> (Yep, Public is doing the same thing. It's a link pointing to itself.)
[05:14] <CeeClear> I'm just going to assume its the same for Templates
[05:17] <CeeClear> Let me restart and rejoin Hexchat to see if the changes took effect
[05:21] <CeeClear> Thanks for the help. The folders are all back
[05:22] <CeeClear> so second question How I do I remove my folders from my Background ???
[05:24] <arraybolt3[m]> CeeClear: Can you show me what you're talking about? You can take a screenshot, redact any personal info, upload it to Imgur, and send a link.
[05:25] <arraybolt3[m]> (Also, do be warned, while the folders may be "back", the command we used wasn't a data recovery command - we just deleted the broken folders and created ones that actually work. So don't try to use "rm" for data recovery!)
[05:35] <CeeClear> Sorry for the delay
[05:36] <CeeClear> here is the imgur link to what I was talking about
[05:36] <CeeClear> https://imgur.com/4Wngnp1
[05:36] <arraybolt3[m]> No problem.
[05:36] <arraybolt3[m]> Oy. One moment...
[05:37] <dob1> I have upgraded to 22.04, when I boot for an instant I read some error/pc
[05:37] <dob1> ops
[05:37] <arraybolt3[m]> dob1: Does the system function properly despite the warning?
[05:39] <arraybolt3[m]> CeeClear: Can you run "nautilus -q" and see if that fixes it?
[05:39] <CeeClear> got it will run ow and let you know
 Ran it. Do I need to restart for it to take effect ??
[05:41] <arraybolt3[m]> CeeClear: No, it was supposed to restart just the file manager and should have immediately taken effect.
[05:41] <khadas> youtube
[05:41] <arraybolt3[m]> CeeClear: So, run "sudo nano .config/user-dirs.dirs".
[05:42] <arraybolt3[m]> CeeClear: This will open a text editor, make sure the "XDG_DESKTOP_DIR" entry is set to "$HOME/Desktop".
[05:42] <arraybolt3[m]> (It should be the first entry in the file, if your system looks like mine, anyway.)
[05:43] <CeeClear> This is how it shows up XDG_DESKTOP_DIR="$HOME/"
[05:44] <arraybolt3[m]> Yep, that's the problem. Add the word "Desktop" immediately after the slash, don't leave any space before the slash or after the "p" of Desktop, then press Ctrl+S to save, Ctrl+X to close, then run "nautilus -q" again.
[05:44] <CeeClear> Same with Templates and Public
[05:44] <arraybolt3[m]> Probably also change Templates and Public then.
[05:48] <CeeClear> Just did Template and Public as well then ran nautilus -q again. Still no change
[05:48] <arraybolt3[m]> CeeClear: Hmm. Well then try rebooting and see if that clears it up.
[05:49] <CeeClear> Will do. Hope it works
[05:53] <CeeClear>  arraybolt3[m]> Rebooting Worked. Thank you for saving me so much trouble in fixing this.Ihope you are having a excellent Day/night in your corner of the world
[05:53] <arraybolt3[m]> Woot! Glad to have been able to help, and may you have a good day/night also! (It's night where I'm at.)
[05:54] <CeeClear> then have a Great Night my Friend. May you continue to be awesome and excellent when day time comes. Once again thanks for the help
[05:54] <CeeClear> Have a great night.
[05:55] <arraybolt3[m]> Thanks, and you too!
[07:01] <cryocaustik> hey all - I have a program that creates a UUID when it launches through a pre_launch shell script; is there anyway to export that UUID to a global env variable that would persist?
[07:15] <SteelRose> cryocaustik: export VARIABLE=$UUID
[07:21] <cryocaustik> I tried that with https://bpa.st/6LYA but when I echo it after running the script, i get nothing
[08:25] <ice9> when I close the laptop lid it does nothing however the suspension is enabled in gnome-tweaks, any idea?
[08:37] <amaroq> After "sudo apt update" it says that 1 package can be upgraded. but after sudo apt upgrade it says 0 to upgrade and 1 is held back - gstreamer1.0-vaapi
[08:37] <amaroq> I guess I just ignore it?
[08:38] <amaroq> It's just a bit annoying that after 'sudo apt update' there is always a message to upgrade
[08:38] <amaroq> apt list --upgrade
[08:40] <amaroq> This is the output after apt list --upgradable     https://pastebin.com/WQZHJJcc
[08:41] <amaroq> It says that there is "1 additional version. Please, use the 'a' switch to see it. I don't know what that means or how
[08:42] <amaroq> Sounds like I have 2 versions and I only need one, correct? ...can we remove one of the versions?
[08:51] <Maik> ice9: haven't you asked the same question last week? I thought the matter was discussed.
[08:53] <Noxturnix> amaroq: there is a newer version but your current version is being held (probably by a package)
[08:55] <Noxturnix> you can list held packages with `sudo apt-mark showhold` and unhold with `sudo apt-mark unhold <package>`
[08:55] <Noxturnix> but it's not recommended since it's held for a reason
[09:10] <EriC^> amaroq: try sudo apt full-upgrade
[09:15] <amaroq> EriC^, still held back after "sudo apt full-upgrade"
[09:16] <amaroq> Noxturnix, after sudo apt-mark showhold the prompt came back empty
[09:16] <amaroq> I can still try sudo apt-mark unhold <package> ?
[09:17] <EriC^> amaroq: what happens if you run 'apt list --upgradable -a' ?
[09:17] <amaroq> I wonder why it's being held, though? ...perhaps better to just leave it. Everything is working so far and don't want to risk braking and complicating things.
[09:19] <amaroq> EriC^, this: https://pastebin.com/Tj2KXqFK
[09:20] <EriC^> !info gstreamer1.0-vaapi jammy
[09:20] <amaroq> Is gstreamer part of ubuntu-restricted-extras?
[09:21] <EriC^> no, looks like from the universe repo ^
[09:21] <Noxturnix> hm looks like it's the same version but diffenent source/universe
[09:21] <EriC^> 1.20.1-1ubuntu1 is the repo one, i wonder what jammy,now is though?
[09:21] <amaroq> a duplicate from different sources?
[09:21] <EriC^> amaroq: what does 'apt-cache policy gstreamer1.0-vaapi' give?
[09:22] <EriC^> yeah
[09:23] <amaroq> EriC^, this: https://pastebin.com/CAv0nfy4
[09:25] <EriC^> seems all good amaroq
[09:25] <barg> why do i need an upgrade notice, is it possible to just upgrade anyway?
[09:26] <amaroq> EriC^, thx...I'll just ignore it then until it perhaps sorts itself out
[09:26] <EriC^> amaroq: you could run 'sudo apt-get install gstreamer1.0-vaapi' , it should upgrade it to the current repo version
[09:26] <amaroq> ok
[09:27] <EriC^> barg: what do you mean? what upgrade notice?
[09:27] <amaroq> BTW, is there a difference between sudo apt install and sudo apt-get install? Years back when I was in Ubuntu it used to be apt-get and now I see a lot of commands are simply apt install
[09:29] <amaroq> EriC^, interesting? https://pastebin.com/wKd0feWc
[09:30] <amaroq> is it asking for libgstreamer-plugins-bad1.0-0 ?
[09:30] <barg> EriC^: I have ubuntu 20.04 I want to alt-get install ugrep, it says "unable to locate package".    I see it listed https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=ugrep&searchon=names&suite=all&section=all   impish (21.10)   and jammy (22.04LTS) and kinetic (utils).  I was wondering if I should add all three of those repos Or just kinetic (since my ubuntu version is before the one specified by
[09:30] <barg> impish and jammy).  But somebody showed with !info ugrep focal  that Package ugrep does not exist in focal.. And  tha package is just not available for 20.04, trying to install can give a dependencie problem.   And suggested to wait for a week to get the upgrade notice to 22.04.1  4 august
[09:33] <EriC^> amaroq: yeah, it wants 1.20.3+ for some reason
[09:33] <EriC^> !info libgstreamer-plugins-bad1.0-0 jammy
[09:34] <EriC^> the repo one is the one you have installed, i wonder why gstreamer1.0 wants a newer version as a dependency
[09:35] <EriC^> barg: dont add those repos, you should never add repos from other ubuntu versions like that, it'll break stuff, if you want to upgrade to 22.04 right now you could do 'sudo do-release-upgrade -d'
[09:36] <EriC^> !info ugrep focal
[09:36] <EriC^> probably easiest to just upgrade
[09:40] <EriC^> amaroq: i think it has to do with it saying (phased 60%) in the policy output, seems it's some feature in 21.04+ https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/phased-updates-in-apt-in-21-04/20345/6
[09:41] <EriC^> i think it will sort itself out after it's "fully phased"
[09:43] <barg> EriC^: thanks
[09:44] <amaroq> EriC^, thank you ))
[09:47] <EriC^> no problem
[10:07] <ice9> Maik, yep but wasn't resolved
[10:17] <Maik> ice9: try askubuntu.com or on the ubuntu forums
[10:44] <alocer> ice9: what was the problm again? i wasn't here
[10:53] <ice9> alocer, when I close the laptop lid it does nothing however the suspension is enabled in gnome-tweaks
[10:55] <alocer> ice9: ubuntu and gnome-tweaks are really that of a friend to each other make sure its enabled in the settings app.
[10:55] <alocer> ice9: my experience with gnome-tweaks in ubuntu is really bad.
[11:12] <Maik> alocer: that's your experience :)
[11:14] <Maik> ice9: as said try askubuntu.com or on the ubuntu forums, you might have more luck getting help there with your issue. Otherwise file a bug on launchpad.
[11:19] <Bebef> Hi everyone! o/
[11:21] <barg> can i mix and match apt and apt-get e.g.  apt-get purge apache2  followed by  apt autoremove ?
[11:21] <ravage> barg, yes
[11:22] <Bebef> Looking into serial console support for Ubuntu 20.04, I find that all manuals simply add the serial config in GRUB. There's no explicit configuration of something like getty@ttyS0 or something. Are the GRUB parameters really enough, no other configuration needed?
[11:25] <enyc> Bebef: hrrm not on ubuntu but I have serial-console-config on a debian similar system, also sometimes with xen
[11:25] <enyc> Bebef: not tried with systemd/ubuntu but an extra getty for ttyS0 is indeed needed
[11:25] <barg> is there a general APT core library shared by apt and apt-get, if so, then does it have no package name?
[11:26] <enyc> barg: use 'ldd' to check what libraries a binary uses
[11:26] <enyc> barg: ldd /usr/bin/apt  or whatever
[11:26] <ravage> apt has no reliable API
[11:26] <ravage> use apt-get for scripts
[11:27] <Linux^> hi
[11:27] <enyc> barg: use  dpkg -S   on a package file  or   packages.ubuntu.com  website  to check which package provides a particular file
[11:27] <Bebef> enyc: That was what I thought, but no how-to mentiones this. So I assumed some mechanism "if kernel-parameter = serial then getty@ttyS0", but I'm not sure about this (and have no means to test it).
[11:27] <Linux^> how can I turn on unattended upgrade with a exception applicatio?
[11:27] <Linux^> which I do not want to upgrade
[11:28] <ravage> Linux^, unattended-upgrades usually only install security updates. you always want those
[11:28] <Linux^> oh so It does not upgrade everything we see in apt get update?
[11:28] <enyc> Bebef: my /etc/default/grub has     GRUB_TERMINAL="console serial"      GRUB_SERIAL_COMMAND="serial --unit=0 --speed=115200 --word=8 --parity=no --stop=1"  GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="console=tty0 console=ttyS0,115200n8"   GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="console=tty0 console=ttyS0,115200n8"
[11:29] <ravage> Linux^, the default setting is secrurity updates. you can check your config and the manpage to tune stuff
[11:29] <Linux^> ok
[11:29] <Linux^> How to ignore updates that require restarts?
[11:30] <ravage> why would you ignore them?
[11:30] <Linux^> also If I do not restart ever  even after upgrading the upgrades that need restarts what will happen?
[11:30] <ravage> you will not get the security benefit of that update
[11:30] <enyc> Bebef: /etc/inittab may work with    T0:2345:respawn:/sbin/getty -L ttyS0 115200 vt100      BUT there may be a systemd way of doing it  (direct message me any thing you find out...)
[11:30] <Linux^> But it is upgrading no?
[11:30] <Bebef> enyc: Yeah, that's basically what I have, too (in grub).
[11:30] <Linux^> It is upgrading but not working?
[11:31] <ravage> Linux^, yes the update will install
[11:32] <enyc> Bebef: it get more fun with hypervisors ;o
[11:32] <enyc> Bebef: you then get... xen or whatever on tty  with liunx on hvc0  and stuff ;o
[11:32] <Bebef> enyc: Even worse. I'm preparing a custom image for Azure m(
[11:32] <enyc> Bebef: or,  having memtest86+ 115200 serial and  plop bootloader serial  and stuff :O
[11:32] <Linux^> ravage  it will install but  not work?
[11:33] <ravage> Linux^, correct
[11:33] <enyc> Bebef: I never got Google's SGABIOS to behave for me ;o
[11:33] <Linux^> Is there any way I can live update without restarting?
[11:33] <ravage> Linux^, if the update requires a restart then no
[11:34] <Linux^> Looks I will stop bothering about updates. Just let it stay the way it is
[11:34] <ravage> Linux^, bad idea. but good luck
[11:34] <Linux^> "If it works let it stay that way"
[11:34] <Linux^> Nobody gonna hack me
[11:34] <ravage> famous last words
[11:36] <Linux^> every 60 days. ok will update every 60 days or 90 days
[11:36] <Linux^> 90 days is better
[11:37] <ravage> Linux^, that is totally up to you. our advice is to install and apply any available security updates asap.
[11:37] <ravage> if you have any other support question ask. for general discussions please use #ubuntu-discuss or #ubuntu-offtopic
[11:37] <Linux^> I think security updates do not require  restarts only kernel updates require restarts
[11:38] <Linux^> am I right?
[11:38] <ravage> most security updates require the restart of one ore more services
[11:38] <ravage> the tool "needsrestart" can tell you details
[11:39] <ravage> needrestart
[11:45] <barg> how can i see what rules ufw has before i make ufw active? currently ufw is inactive but if i activate it then i might lose ssh access?
[11:50] <barg> ah great ufw show added
[12:05] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[12:33] <propus> hello
[12:35] <transhumanist> so I installed kde on Ubuntu 22.04 (for a change) can't get screenshots to work installed kde-spectical still doesnt work, any ideas?
[12:39] <transhumanist> nm figured it out
[12:39] <transhumanist> seems spectical doesnt setup a shortcut key
[12:53] <SteelRose> transhumanist: Spectacle usually has a default key for screenshots (PrtScr). I'd suggest ksnip though - which you also must configure depending on your needs...
[12:54] <transhumanist> thanks SteelRose I appreciate the input
[12:58] <SteelRose> transhumanist: anytime
[14:21] <Guest88> What would be the best channel to look for help on ecryptfs ?
[14:22] <apex> relatively new to Ubuntu... how do I correctly point my 22.04 host to my LOCAL DNS server (router) so that I am able to resolve other Win, Mac, LNX host on my local LAN?  I've spent considerable time trying numerous and various settings found via Googling. none have worked for me.
[14:23] <leftyfb> apex: DHCP
[14:23] <leftyfb> apex: configure it on your router
[14:25] <apex> lefty All local hosts are fixed IPs with their IPs/names set in the router config
[14:25] <leftyfb> why?
[14:25] <apex> servers that require permanant fixed IP
[14:26] <leftyfb> apex: is the ubuntu machine set static?
[14:26] <apex> yes
[14:27] <leftyfb> apex: is it running ubuntu server (no desktop GUI) or ubuntu desktop?
[14:28] <apex> the Ubuntu machine in question is not running Ubuntu Server.  I primarily SSH to it from other machines
[14:28] <leftyfb> apex: then set your nameserver in network manager
[14:30] <apex> thx reading...
[15:38] <LuksNuke_> Hello Friends
[15:38] <LuksNuke_> So now I'm on impish and cannot do any apt update / apt dist-upgrade
[15:38] <LuksNuke_> what to do know? except of reinstalling system?
[15:38] <mybalzitch> whats the error
[15:38] <LuksNuke_> s/know/now/
[15:38] <LuksNuke_> 404
[15:38] <LuksNuke_> wait a bit, my raspi is restarting
[15:39] <mybalzitch> you might need to use a different mirror then
[15:39] <ravage> !eolupgrade | LuksNuke_
[15:44] <leftyfb> LuksNuke_: time to upgrade to a supported release
[15:45] <LuksNuke_> I'm about to follow the steps suggested by ravage
[15:45] <LuksNuke_> be prepared for some kisses sent over the internet
[15:46] <LuksNuke_> update worked so far :)
[15:46]  * LuksNuke_ sends kiss #1
[15:50] <LuksNuke_> upgrade worked also
[15:50] <LuksNuke_> now hoping good luck with dist upgrade
[15:52] <webchat22> Can anyone guide me on how to install openssh from source
[15:52] <webchat22> Server
[15:53] <leftyfb> webchat22: why do you think you need to install from source?
[15:54] <webchat22> Because I don't have openssh on my distro
[15:54] <webchat22> I 'M using puppylinux 9.5
[15:54] <ravage> webchat22, then seek support on your distros support
[15:55] <ravage> this channel is for Ubuntu
[15:55] <webchat22> I can't seem to find it
[15:55] <ravage> use a search engine
[15:55] <webchat22> Ok
[15:56] <webchat22> But is it not the same way to do it
[15:56] <leftyfb> webchat22: sorry, but we can only support Ubuntu here. Good luck
[15:56] <webchat22> Thanks
[15:57] <leftyfb> webchat22: https://forum.puppylinux.com/
[15:57] <leftyfb> webchat22: /join #puppylinux
[15:58] <jhutchins> 1PUPPY
[15:58] <jhutchins> !puppy
[15:58] <jhutchins> !puppy linux
[15:59] <jhutchins> No resources found.
[15:59] <jhutchins> Maybe check for support resources before choosing a distro.
[16:02] <ogra> but puppies are so cute ... perhaps they simply attracted webchat22 with their big eyes ...
[16:03] <LuksNuke_> ravage, got write error no space left
[16:03] <LuksNuke_> now purging all this crap like gnome desktop etc. i don't need
[16:03] <LuksNuke_> should have buy a 64gb sd... however
[16:05] <ravage> LuksNuke_, maybe it is easier to backup the files you need and start with a fresh 22.04 image
[16:05] <LuksNuke_> ravage, trying to prevent this
[16:05] <LuksNuke_> already backed up
[16:07] <jhutchins> ogra: Supposedly puppy runs entirely from RAM, making it fast and low-I/O usage.
[16:26] <LuksNuke_> ravage, from 100% to 95%
[16:26] <LuksNuke_> still looking for some crap to uninstall. currently autoremoving 1/2gb
[16:27] <LuksNuke_> next, uninstall xorg
[16:28] <leftyfb> LuksNuke_: please try to keep your posts to support related. We do not need a play-by-play
[16:28] <leftyfb> LuksNuke_: that said, you are making WAY more effort trying to clean up an install -> upgrade then it would take to just fresh install it
[16:28] <LuksNuke_> leftyfb, not talking to you
[16:28] <lotuspsychje> thats not how support works here LuksNuke_
[16:29] <LuksNuke_> its ok. thank you all. but I will notice you if i succeed
[16:57] <GunArm> shell question: i see commands similar to this here and there but this never works for me, what am I missing?   `foo=bar echo $foo`
[16:58] <GunArm> i see it used almost exactly in that format for setting IFS for things, also docker seems to prepend every RUN command with the full set of ARGs, by providing them this way
[16:59] <jhutchins> GunArm:  http://www.linuxcommand.org/ https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicCommands http://www.macdevcenter.com/pub/a/mac/2005/05/20/terminal1.html http://www.ischool.berkeley.edu/~kevin/unix-tutorial/toc.html  http://linuxcommand.org/lc3_learning_the_shell.php  http://linuxcommand.org/tlcl.php
[17:00] <jhutchins> GunArm: You might get more direct help in #bash
[17:00] <jhutchins> GunArm: Some really deep knowledge is available there.
[17:00] <GunArm> ok, I'll ask there, thanks
[17:00] <jhutchins> GunArm: I'm not sure what your actual question is though.
 GunArm: the problem with your example is that it is evaluated by the shell before it looks at your foo=bar assignment. Instead if you create a script containing `echo $foo` and run `foo=bar bash yourscript.sh` you'll see what you expect.
[17:02] <jhutchins> GunArm: It might simply be that you're not putting a CR between the commands, foo=bar has to execute before $foo will = bar.
[17:02] <GunArm> kushal_kumaran: ah ok that makes sense, thanks
[17:02] <GunArm> jhutchins: yeah but from what I can tell the point of the syntax is to set it for a single following command, but not to persist in the shell after
[17:43] <jhutchins> GunArm: Thinking of commands I've seen for things like setting the language for a command in order to produce english output for a troubleshooting pastebin, I don't recall that the variables are manually cleared.  They would presumably persist.
 jhutchins: they do not. If you keep the variable assignment by itself, it persists within the shell. But if you put the variable assignment with a command, the variable assignment only stays for that command. That is why the instructions for setting language, etc, are written that way: to avoid messing up people's shells.
[18:03] <jhutchins> kushal_kumaran: Could you provide an example of persistent vs. non-persistent?
 jhutchins: sure. see https://paste.debian.net/1248647/
 you'll note that the VAR variable only has value for the duration of the command it was assigned alongside
 if you set the variable by itself, it is now set for the remainder of the shell. There are additional wrinkles if you want this variable visible to commands you run (you need to export the variable). Demo at https://paste.debian.net/1248649/
[18:15] <jhutchins> Wow, it seems impossible to get a straight answer to a simple bash question without embellishments that make the actuall question irrelevant.
[18:16] <arraybolt3[m]> jhutchins: Bash do be like that sometimes.
[18:16] <jhutchins> kushal_kumaran: I'm asking about the very common scenario of someone running a shell in a language other than english, and needing to post the output of a single diagnostic command in english.
[18:17] <jhutchins> There is a convention so common that it's a one-line factoid in the #debian bot, I just don't remember the key.
[18:18] <kushal_kumaran> `LANG=C apt-get update` and the like?
[18:20] <jhutchins> kushal_kumaran: Exactly, so it's just seperated by a space then.  If it were seperated by a semicolon (;) it would persist.
[18:21] <jhutchins> kushal_kumaran: Thank you.
[18:54] <grym> i've installed 18.04 with the minimal option, then installed i3 as my DE.  How can i tell what the notification system being used is? is it dunst?
[18:57] <leftyfb> grym: why did you pick 18.04? (released 4+ years ago, 3 LTS releases ago)
[18:57] <grym> leftyfb: $work
[19:01] <oerheks> grym, the notification system that you installed? dunst is just an option, AFAIK
[19:02] <oerheks> and one needs to make it autostart too.
[19:06] <grym> oerheks: right; i didn't explicitly install anything, i clicked the "basic install" option in the installer, and i wanted to know what that meant w/r/t notification system choice
[19:06] <oerheks> so, why did you ask?
[19:06] <grym> do i need to just say that twice?
[19:07] <grym> i asked because i wanted to theme it, it's ugly
[19:07] <grym> but i don't know which "it" my notification system is, because the installer does not tell you that
[19:08] <oerheks> maybe your issue was it did not autostart..
[19:08] <grym> no, i get notifications just fine
[19:08] <grym> they're just ass-ugly
[19:09] <grym> so i need to know what program's rc file to kick at
[19:09] <grym> so: for an 18.04 minimal install, what's the notification system
[19:41] <eam> I can't seem to find a package with text2pdf, a very old pdf utility. Is there some umbrella pdf package I'm unaware of? Is there an index of all files in the apt repos? (like dpkg would have for locally installed packages - but I want to search the entire repository)
[19:43] <sarnold> eam: apt-file
[19:43] <leftyfb> eam: apt-file search text2pdf # gives this as a result: libpdf-api2-perl: /usr/share/doc/libpdf-api2-perl/examples/text2pdf.pl
[19:44] <eam> ooh, thanks! looks like that's yet another text/pdf tool
[19:45] <leftyfb> eam: I'm pretty sure it's the same tool
[19:47] <eam> text2pdf is a c program
[19:48] <eam> I just built it, but I'd rather manage it through the packaging system
[19:48] <eam> looks like that one's using Text::PDF, which ... might be useful too
[19:48] <leftyfb> it doesn't look like that
[19:48] <leftyfb> that's available anymore
[19:51] <sarnold> eam: pandoc is pretty popular for converting formats; it might do what you need
[19:51] <sarnold> eam: back when I did way more printing, I used a2ps for converting text to postscript; it's not the same, but having a postscript blob is sometimes useful inthe same places a pdf is sometimes useful
[19:53] <rfm> there's good old enscript, too, which is in universe
[19:55] <ioria> that c code is 12 years old, but ok
[19:56] <sarnold> is that it? I thought enscript was in the 30-ish range
[20:05] <eam> sarnold: yeah, that could work too, thanks! I'm doing something very silly, converting a few thousand rfc822 email files into pdf format so lawyers can affix their "CONFIDENTIAL" marker on each page
[20:07] <sarnold>        To process a mailbox in 4 up,
[20:07] <sarnold>               $ a2ps -=mail -4 mailbox
[20:07] <sarnold> I'm 90% sure I've used a2ps to format emails 'neatly'
[20:08] <sarnold> though it's probably from the era of plain text emails; I bet it would make a ghastly mess of modern html email
[20:08] <sarnold> or even the quoted printable sort of stuff
[20:08] <eam> oooh, that would be really helpful. I don't know yet if they want readable or complete (I gave them both options), I was thinking I'd have to parse it with an email client for the former
[20:08] <eam> they may just want the whole dumb raw thing
[20:09] <eam> I also figured out pdfs can have attachments and offered to attach the mail to the PDF
[20:09] <jhutchins> sarnold: mime email almost always has a plain text block.
[20:10] <sarnold> jhutchins: yeah, I think most human-operated email clients will do multipart/alternative with one plain text, one stupid html
[20:10] <eam> pdftk foo.pdf attach_files foo.eml to_page 1 output foo-attached.pdf # attaching files
[20:10] <jhutchins> eam: That sounds suspiciously like the work a company I used to work for does.  They do text discovery - word A within so many words of word B and such.
[20:10] <sarnold> but a lot of companies generate garbage and only send along html, or the plain text is useless, etc
[20:11] <eam> I had a long conversation with a paralegal about why an email isn't just one file, and isn't something you can fully represent on a printed page
[20:12] <leftyfb> eam: it is the Maildir format, but not mbox
[20:12] <eam> leftyfb: yeah, I mean that there are multiple files of arbitrary rendering complexity contained inside any rfc822 mail file
[20:23] <epopt> whoami
[20:51] <BlackMage> why i cannot text of a xmessage ?
[20:51] <BlackMage> * cannot copy text of a xmessage ?
[20:57] <jhutchins> BlackMage: What did you try to do?  How did you try to do it?  What did you expect to happen?  What happened instead?
[20:57] <jhutchins> BlackMage: You're holding it upside-down?
[21:00] <BlackMage> i would display a text box, where i can copy infornation for the program that opened
[21:00] <BlackMage> what  means i holding it upside-down?
[21:03] <EriC^> BlackMage: if you highlight the text by double clicking it, you can paste using middle mouse button
[21:03] <jhutchins> BlackMage: What generated the xmessage?  It should display in a window on your virtual desktop.  You may or may not be able to copy and paste it.
[21:03] <EriC^> or i think also ctrl+shift+insert
[21:03] <jhutchins> EriC^: I think that's paste.
[21:03] <EriC^> sorry shift+insert
[21:04] <EriC^> jhutchins: yes i think he cant copy it, using ctrl+c/v doesnt work
[21:04] <EriC^> the 2nd clipboard of highlighting and middle mouse button/shift+insert is working for me though BlackMage
[21:07] <jhutchins> Sometimes the only thing that works for me is right-click, choose copy.
[21:08] <jhutchins> !de
[21:12] <BlackMage> on right-click opens nothing
[21:12] <BlackMage> idk why..
[21:12] <EriC^> BlackMage: double click the text, and then somewhere press middle mouse button or shift+insert and it will paste, as long as the text is highlighted
[21:13] <BlackMage> ? how helps me to copy text?
[21:14] <EriC^> BlackMage: when you highlight the text it's copied, but use shift+insert to paste instead of ctrl+v
[21:15] <BlackMage> why copy selection is used?
[21:15] <EriC^> i have no idea
[21:16] <EriC^> it's odd that ctrl+c/right click doesnt work
[21:18] <BlackMage> its only 'me' copied
[21:18] <BlackMage> second and third letter of xmessage
[21:19] <BlackMage> but why?
[21:23] <penderdrill> Hi! How are you all doing?
[21:23] <penderdrill> HELLO PEOPLE RESPOND PEOPLE
[21:23] <penderdrill> PEOPLE OF CHINA
[21:23] <leftyfb> penderdrill: hello. What you do need help with?
[21:24] <penderdrill> I need to know your favorite colour.
[21:24] <penderdrill> OG NICKNAME
[21:24] <EriC^> BlackMage: i didnt understand what you mean, maybe you can do the copying from before you send the message using xmessage
[21:24] <leftyfb> penderdrill: this is a support channel. Feel free to chat in #ubuntu-offtopic
[21:25] <EriC^> BlackMage: you could send it to the clipboard using xclip
[21:29] <EriC^> BlackMage: echo "$your_xmessage" | xclip -selection clipboard
[21:30] <EriC^> BlackMage: if you explain more exactly what you're doing and what you're trying to achieve it might help to solve your issue
[21:32] <gneeriiloeepdeer> about firefox snap: I use several firefox profiles. This doesn't mean I have to update snap for every profile, correct? because each time there is a new version and I run 'sudo snap refresh firefox' I have to run it several times: I run it once, think Im done with it but the next day, Ill have to run it again. Why?
[21:34] <leftyfb> gneeriiloeepdeer: first answer: no. You might want to check #snappy for help with that issue though
[21:41] <clarkk> I have noticed this evening that I have a disk mounted,  /var/lib/snapd/snaps/core20_1518.snap (deleted)   What is this?
[21:42] <leftyfb> reboot
[21:43] <leftyfb> I had the same issue. There's a bug with the core snap that leaves an orphan mount after being updated
[21:47] <clarkk> leftyfb, ah, great. Thank you.
[21:51] <goddard> does online accounts for microsoft account crash for you all?
[21:53] <goddard> (gnome-control-center:104816): Gdk-CRITICAL **: 17:53:34.863: gdk_wayland_window_set_dbus_properties_libgtk_only: assertion 'GDK_IS_WAYLAND_WINDOW (window)' failed
[21:53] <goddard> Segmentation fault (core dumped)
[21:55] <jhutchins> BlackMage: Can you just type what the message says?
[21:57] <BlackMage> its just input data for the program for me
[21:59] <ravage> goddard, im on Xorg and the window to login opens. i dont have an account to test the actual login. try if it works on Xorg. then open a bug report
[23:43] <Scip> I'm dual booting windows/ubuntu and am trying to migrate to a new hard drive. I cloned my drive by copy/pasting partitions in gparted (+ copying flags), but ended up with bad boot settings (windows gives 0x000000e error, ubuntu grub doesn't show up in bios menu).
[23:43] <Scip> The drive works when I install a fresh OS on it, so I know it's a problem with my migrated settings. I've tried boot-repair but it still doesn't work. Overall I'd like to boot in UEFI mode into a grub menu that lets me choose windows/ubuntu.
[23:43] <Scip> Is it obvious where something might have gone wrong? Drive/partition info: https://pastebin.com/DqcPZivq
[23:45] <leftyfb> Scip: I would recommend utilizing a tool like ansible to rebuild your system. Not full disc cloning. Though if you must, use clonezilla
[23:51] <oerheks> when cloning, UUIDs changes..
[23:51] <oerheks> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingUUID
[23:52] <oerheks> one needs to boot in live mode, and fix grub2 with the correct numbers..
[23:53] <oerheks> bootrepair probably showed this too