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[00:15] <Rooker> Hi everyone. I'm trying to update via terminal, the same method I've been using for weeks. apt update. Then apt upgrade. sudo apt update says "24 packages can be upgraded." Once I run sudo apt upgrade, it goes through a whole process and comes back with "0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 24 not upgraded." Why is that?
[00:17] <Rooker> It also says "The following packages have been kept back:" with a list of the packages.
[00:17] <Rooker> It has never held anything back like that before.
[00:17] <_WEZ_> apt dist-upgrade ?
[00:17] <_WEZ_> i still usr apt-get :)
[00:18] <sarnold> apt-get upgrade won't remove any packages as part of the upgrade
[00:18] <sarnold> apt-get dist-upgrade will remove packages as part of the upgrade
[00:18] <sarnold> so make sure the list of packages that apt-get dist-upgrade will remove to solve the upgrade actually makes sense
[00:19] <sarnold> (we've got dozens of bug reports filed when a guitar hero 6 game tries to uninstall sudo for some stupid reason)
[00:19] <Rooker> I am admittedly a pretty big noob. apt-get dist-upgrade hit me with the same results.
[00:20] <_WEZ_> ok
[00:20] <sarnold> oh that's weird; pastebin the whole thing?
[00:20] <sarnold> https://paste.debian.net/ is a nice pastebin if you don't already have a favourite
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[00:25] <Rooker> So I think this is what you wanted. I'm new at this. :)
[00:25] <Rooker> https://paste.debian.net/1248795/
[00:26] <sarnold> okay, confusing :) try apt-mark showhold  ?
[00:28] <Rooker> apt-mark showhold ?
[00:28] <Rooker> with the questionmark at the end?
[00:29] <sarnold> no, that's me just asking a question :)
[00:29] <Rooker> haha
[00:29] <Rooker> I've been a lifelong windows/macos user. all new to me.
[00:29] <sarnold> ah, welcome :)
[00:29] <Rooker> I get nothing with apt-mark showhold. Just the prompt again.
[00:30] <sarnold> dang. well, that's good, but now I've got fewer ideas
[00:30] <Rooker> I have none haha
[00:32] <sarnold> Rooker: try: sudo apt install base-files
[00:33] <sarnold> Rooker: lets try to see why exactly it doesn't like them, one at a time :)
[00:33] <Rooker> Okay, I just did that. It's doing a whole bunch of work.
[00:34] <Rooker> Now when I apt upgrade, only 23 were held back.
[00:34] <Rooker> as opposed to 24
[00:34] <Rooker> progress!
[00:34] <Bashing-om> Rooker: sarnold: Phased updates ? what results with ' sudo apt full-upgrade ' ?
[00:34] <sarnold> could you pastebin the output from the base-files upgrade?
[00:34] <sarnold> Bashing-om: OH! that's a possiblity. I forgot that's a thing.
[00:36] <Rooker> https://paste.debian.net/1248796/
[00:37] <sarnold> pretty boring..
[00:37] <sarnold> how about apt policy?
[00:38] <sarnold> https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/phased-updates-in-apt-in-21-04/20345/11  -- the apt policy output might say (phased NN%) or something like that
[00:39] <sarnold> there's a *lot* of familiar packages on this list https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/phased-updates.html  -- I bet Bashing-om nailed it ;)
[00:39] <Rooker> https://paste.debian.net/1248797/
[00:39] <oerheks> Rooker, ' sudo apt update && sudo apt dist-upgrade
[00:39] <sarnold> hmm. no phasing mentioned there :(
[00:39] <oerheks> you just run update, new lists
[00:40] <Rooker> Yeah, full-upgrade gets me 23 not upgraded still.
[00:40] <oerheks> .. show that?
[00:41] <oerheks> i see that you just updated lists, and wanted to install something without upgrading packages, that is basicly wrong
[00:42] <Rooker> So basically, the two weeks I've been using Ubuntu, first real time using Linux, I'd just run "sudo apt update" followed by "sudo apt upgrade". That is not correct?
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[00:43] <dataduden> sudo apt-get upDATE AND THEN sudo apt-get upGRADE
[00:43] <oerheks> that should do, but not for all packages.
[00:44] <oerheks> and to see why 23 not upgraded , is a mistery
[00:44] <GunArm> dataduden: isn't that what he said above?
[00:44] <Rooker> Yes, I would do update before upgrade.
[00:44] <GunArm> didn't he?
[00:44] <oerheks>  maybe due to a recent kernel update,the system needs a reboot if the file /var/run/reboot-required exists
[00:45] <GunArm> sorry, ignore me
[00:45] <dataduden> yeah
[00:45] <GunArm> I was confused who was asking and reading oerheks suggestion
[00:45] <oerheks> then the next upgrade round would do those 23
[00:45] <oerheks> this is why it is better to use the gui updater :-)
[00:45] <Rooker> Alright everyone involved, thanks for the time and tips. Time to head to work. Going to reboot and try again and if that doens't work, I will just deal with it tomorrow. Thanks again!
[00:46] <oerheks> have fun!
[00:48] <GunArm> ok I have a question.  I've done linux raid on ubuntu for almost a decade but never messed with LVM although I'm aware it exists.  I added a second arrary on my server recently, got it fully functional, copied some files to it (it's just a backup system), then grew my original array onto some new disks (time passed), and suddenly I see that the backup array is read only.  and the device members are like dm-0 dm-1 etc instead of /dev/sdX
[00:48] <GunArm> I googled and found that dm-0 (etc) is lvm disk map things
[00:48] <GunArm> and they do correlate to the correct devices, but what made it suddenly start doing that?
[00:49] <GunArm> to my knowledge I've never run any command that should enable LVM on anything
[00:49] <GunArm> and more importantly, how do I make it stop, since it's locking up the devices that it's redirecting to those dm-X files
[00:50] <GunArm> i thought LVM was like a thing you had to deliberatly choose to use and set up, like... explicitly
[00:53] <GunArm> i manually partitioned the devices with parted, manually created an raid array with mdadm, formatted the array to ext4, and copied files to it, and then just left it there
[00:54] <GunArm> only thing I can think was maybe it was experimenting with `mdadm --assemble --scan` to find the md volumes and their devices dynamically, but I've never seen that randomly involved LVM
[00:57] <GunArm> and I've found info on how to use like lvdisplay to find out what they point to (it's what I expect) but notably afaik that's the first lvm command I've ever run in my life
[01:03] <SnoopJ> I have managed to damage my system to the extent that gdm3 will not start. It looks like a few libraries are truncated for some reason. Anybody have advice for backing out of the problem? https://bpa.st/OEZQ
[01:03] <SnoopJ> I have tried installing a few versions of nvidia-driver-* but it doesn't seem to fix the problem
[01:06] <SnoopJ> if I run `ldconfig` I see a whole bunch of "/path/to/some.so is empty, not checked`, but I'm at a loss as to what I can or ought to do about it 😬 https://bpa.st/DYMQ
[01:07] <sarnold> SnoopJ: on my focal system I see that /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libEGL.so.1 and /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libGL.so.1 are provided by both nvidia-340 and libgl1  -- do you know which one you have installed, or want installed, etc? (I think I remember nvidia-340 is broken and difficult to install)
[01:07] <sarnold> wow that's super unhappy
[01:08] <SnoopJ> For context, I have been limping along with NVidia's "runfile" installation for some time and finally gotten fed up with it and decided to try the packages again. I had 470 previously
[01:08] <sarnold> I'm sorry, there's libegl1 and libgl1  -- I missed the difference..
[01:08] <SnoopJ> they do both appear to be broken anyhow 😅
[01:09] <sarnold> apt install --reinstall libegl1 libgl1   maybe?
[01:11] <SnoopJ> that does change the nature of the error, it's complaining about some other libraries now. Is there a good way to check which packages I need to reinstall based on the libs that are borked?
[01:11] <SnoopJ> (assuming I can --reinstall my way out of the mess I've made for myself...)
[01:12] <sarnold> SnoopJ: try debsums -c  ?
[01:12] <SnoopJ> hm, running that now. I was hoping there was a way to ask apt "who put this file here"
[01:13] <sarnold> there kind of is.. dpkg -S /path/whatever   can do that
[01:14] <sarnold> but that can't handle the symlinks that are in place now, so it fails as often as it works
[01:15] <SnoopJ> nothing a little readlink can't iron out. cheers, will see if I can get the libs that aren't explicitly nvidia fixed up that way
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[01:21] <SnoopJ> yahoo! that gets me back a working gdm3. Thanks sarnold :)
[01:22] <sarnold> SnoopJ: nice!
[01:22] <sarnold> that's got to make the system *way* more usable
[01:22] <SnoopJ> let's not get carried away ;)
[01:22] <sarnold> the last time I used the text console I was stunned at how much worse it was -- no scrollback :( :( :(
[01:22] <sarnold> the slowest scrolling evar
[01:23] <SnoopJ> I at least have tmux on this machine so I was able to make those pastes etc. without too much trouble
[01:23] <SnoopJ> but yea, not my favorite
[01:23] <sarnold> ah I never got the hang of screen / tmux select/paste
[01:23] <SnoopJ> hopefully the experience of using the nvidia packages has improved some
[01:24] <sarnold> if that were my choice I'd probably try to get gud fast
[01:24] <SnoopJ> I learned to love screen out of necessity and switched to tmux at some point for reasons I don't recall
[01:24] <sarnold> iirc utf-8 handling was vastly better in tmux
[01:24] <sarnold> but I'm similarly foggy
[01:25] <SnoopJ> ctrl-b is a deranged default leader
[01:25] <SnoopJ> but not too hard to customize :)
[01:26] <SnoopJ> Very nostalgic experience to get thrown back to the text console like that, I even installed `links2` to do some web searching before getting frustrated with the experience and going to grab a laptop
[01:26] <sarnold> funny, I thought the same about ctrl-a :) I was already well used to it in bash prompts..
[01:26] <sarnold> :( yeah. JS required erverywhere :(
[01:26] <SnoopJ> that at least wasn't so bad, but it's still not very ergonomic
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[01:30] <SnoopJ> hrm, the driver package is definitely not happy, but at least I'm poking at a GUI again
[01:38] <SnoopJ> ...why the heck do I have a bunch of i386 packages
[01:38] <SnoopJ> "who has done this?!" says the single user of the computer
[01:39] <sarnold> games are the usual culprit
[01:39] <sarnold> do you have steam on there, or similar stuff?
[01:39] <SnoopJ> I think I do have steam but this is a work machine and any of the graphics-stack evils that have been done to it are *definitely* for work
[01:41] <oerheks> those i386 packages sound like steam/wine tricks
[01:41] <SnoopJ> hmm, do they list nvidia's packages on their repo
[01:45] <sarnold> https://repo.steampowered.com/steam/dists/stable/steam/binary-amd64/Packages
[01:45] <sarnold> Recommends: steam-libs-amd64, steam-libs-i386, sudo, xdg-utils | steamos-base-files
[01:46] <sarnold> https://repo.steampowered.com/steam/dists/stable/steam/binary-i386/Packages
[01:46] <sarnold> Suggests: nvidia-driver-libs, nvidia-vulkan-icd
[01:47] <sarnold> looks like it's pretty plausible, yeah
[01:47] <SnoopJ> aha
[02:07] <SnoopJ> oh huh, module just wasn't getting loaded for whatever reason. I have a sane environment again!
[02:08] <SnoopJ> Now to install CUDA which I'm sure will immediately make it insane, but at least the insanity will all be from one supplier
[02:10] <sarnold> SnoopJ: are you sure CUDA and gaming works on one system?
[02:10] <sarnold> SnoopJ: I don't actually have nvidia stuff but I have a vague feeling that you get to pick one or the other
[02:11] <sarnold> SnoopJ: I'm headed out, have fun, good luck :)
[02:11] <SnoopJ> I don't really game on this machine, I just happen to have Steam installed, probably once upon a time I did play a game once
[02:11] <SnoopJ> sarnold, thanks for the expert assist, I'm glad to be back in the part of the sandbox I actually know :)
[02:12] <SnoopJ> As far as choosing between the two, this hasn't been my experience personally, but I don't exactly do both on the same platform. It's "just" a library that interacts with the driver, so I think it would only be a constraint if your CUDA needs force you into particular driver versions
[02:13] <SnoopJ> (part of the reason my system has so many hexes cast upon it is because $work_stuff used to have some fiddly constraints, although things are a bit better now)
[02:14] <sarnold> SnoopJ: aye, and likewise, it's almost all out of my experience.. it sure *feels* like you ought to be able to switch from process to process :D but I have a feeling that's not how it actually works
[02:14] <sarnold> SnoopJ: have fun :)
[02:15] <SnoopJ> doing them both at *exactly* the same time is probably going to make one or the other grumpy ;P
[02:15] <sarnold> :D
[02:27] <bangke> halo guys
[02:27] <bangke> hoe are you
[02:37] <Bashing-om> bangke: You have a support question ?
[02:44] <bangke> no i am gabut
[02:44] <bangke> listener my creazy side home me
[02:50] <hiareustillhirin> hi are u still hiring
[02:50] <hiareustillhirin> wow his wifi bad huh haha
[02:55] <bangke> no my side home singing tak karuan
[03:15] <kerfluffy> hi
[03:15] <kerfluffy> i have my system idled but vnstat -l shows around 40kbit/s of inbound transfer. does anyone know what it might be?
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[03:17] <Chloe343> hi
[03:54] <silv3r_m00n2> hi there
[03:55] <silv3r_m00n2> i want to run software-properties-kde program, but it needs to run as root ... how do i do that ? kdesu and kdesudo are not available anymore
[04:05] <__main__> sudo software-blabla ?
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[07:03] <bangke> halo coy
[07:03] <bangke> tcp
[07:03] <lotuspsychje> can we help you bangke
[07:04] <bangke> yes
[07:04] <bangke> give me script traker ip
[07:04] <bangke> wkwkwkw
[07:04] <lotuspsychje> bangke: this is the ubuntu support channel, only ubuntu related questions please
[07:05] <bangke> update kernel
[07:05] <bangke> for my linux
[07:06] <bangke> my kernel 5.15
[07:06] <lotuspsychje> !uptodate | bangke
[07:06] <ubottu> bangke: To ensure you have all the latest known patches and security updates for your ubuntu installation, please update with the following command: `sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade`. See also !upgrades and !security; you may also need to run `apt full-upgrade`.
[07:07] <bangke> ok thank you
[07:07] <bangke> very much
[07:09] <bangke> i dont have update bios vgn cr
[07:10] <lotuspsychje> bangke: !pastebin your dmesg in the channel please
[07:10] <bangke> ok thank you
[07:30] <alkisg> For policy reasons I need to install a realtime antivirus on desktop systems. Clamav realtime scanning is awful both to setup and operate, any other suggestions?
[07:30] <alkisg> Of course google is my friend, but if someone is actually using one that is happy with, I'd be happy to install it as well :)
[07:31] <lotuspsychje> clamav has a lot of false positives alkisg
[07:31] <lotuspsychje> i like lynis a lot, not really an AV, but surely scans the system on a deep level for issues
[07:32] <lotuspsychje> !info lynis
[07:32] <ubottu> lynis (3.0.7-1, jammy): security auditing tool for Unix based systems. In component universe, is optional. Built by lynis. Size 222 kB / 1,612 kB
[07:34] <lotuspsychje> snort could be an idea too
[07:34] <lotuspsychje> !info snort
[07:34] <ubottu> snort (2.9.15.1-6build1, jammy): flexible Network Intrusion Detection System. In component universe, is optional. Built by snort. Size 774 kB / 2,030 kB
[07:35] <alkisg> Thank you lotuspsychje , they seem nice but I don't think they fit the "realtime antivirus" requirement :/
[07:36] <alkisg> E.g. if one saves a virus to his home folder, it should be automatically quarantined, with a notification to the user
[07:36] <lotuspsychje> yeah i know, its not like the paid linux AV's for sure
[07:36] <alkisg> I'll give "comodo" a try, as it's free :D
[07:38] <ravage> alkisg, they wanted to apply the same policy here. but we convided the auditor that it makes no sense for our linux desktops
[07:38] <ravage> now only windows and mac users have to install one
[07:39] <ravage> (for real time scanning)
[07:40] <alkisg> Thank you ravage, I'm hoping to eventually convince them, but now that they sent this requirement as an "afterthought" we really need to close it ASAP as contracts for new workers have already been signed and they can't start working without the certification
[07:41] <lotuspsychje> another problem with the 'well known' av's is malicious users would bypass them easy both on win & linux with cryptors
[07:41] <alkisg> ravage: if you don't mind mentioning it, which auditor firm did you use? Or PM me if you prefer
[07:41] <ravage> i think it was the tüv rheinland
[07:42] <alkisg> Thanks!
[07:42] <ravage> ISO audit for our datacanter
[07:43] <ravage> https://www.tuv.com/world/en/
[07:49] <lotuspsychje> alkisg: another free idea; https://www.hivelocity.net/kb/how-to-set-up-daily-email-alerts-for-chkrootkit/
[08:38] <amosbird> Hmm, is there a way to get the backported version of https://packages.ubuntu.com/impish/gcc-11 for bionic?
[08:38] <amosbird> ppa:ubuntu-toolchain-r/test contains gcc-11.1 which contains a bug that stops me compiling some project
[08:48] <redCOAT> Hi,  I have some very strange behavior going on after installing ubuntu,  as a matter of fact, my computer engineer said the previous error before reinstall was a kernal failure.   Can anyone give me tips on how to diagnose the issue as of now the computer is freezing and my gut says some type of hack because that would make the most amount of sense with what is transpiring in my life
[08:50] <EriC^^> redCOAT: look at /var/log/syslog it might show why its freezing
[08:51] <redCOAT> thanks eric will do
[08:51] <redCOAT> eriC^^
[08:51] <EriC^^> no problem
[08:52] <gordonjcp> redCOAT: random freezing is nearly always hardware, most likely overheating or dodgy memory
[08:53] <redCOAT> so many errors
[08:53] <redCOAT> like a million errors windows 10 works perfect
[08:53] <redCOAT> I have windows 10 on the same machine
[08:54] <redCOAT> hmmm maybe pastebin the error logs
[08:55] <redCOAT> problem is i cant open firefox
[08:58] <redCOAT> yeah 12688 log lines im going delete system log then create new file
[08:58] <redCOAT> hopefully that helps
[09:01] <amosbird> Do we have cmdline utility to grab artifacts from https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/glibc/2.35-0ubuntu3.1 by inspecting the installed glibc package on current machine?
[09:01] <redCOAT> gordonjcp:  how do i recreate the file with proper permiossions so it is writable
[09:02] <amosbird> Currently I have to manually search in the lauchpad website and grab those files manually
[09:02] <amosbird> And it might not be the exact version
[09:08] <redCOAT> Eric^^ can't i just run hardware tests via the grub menu and it would tell me any issues with memory etc
[09:38] <explore> hey has any1 here tried to build their own NAS server using ubuntu? (someone whose a heavy user, like content creator, photographer), and it's possible to remotely access this file share?
[09:39] <explore> my old go-to for how-tos like this https://www.smarthomebeginner.com/ doesn't really focus on DIY NAS, they seem to be more about media servers (downloading torrents i guess)
[09:39] <explore> i guess i can use their guide for Traefik Forward Auth or Dockers, but I feel like I am on my own at figuring out the NAS part
[09:40] <explore> any hints? much obliged ahead of time :3
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[10:13] <ogra> explore, set up an ubuntu server or ubuntu core install on your planned NAS machine and do "snap install nextcloud" ... then configure it via its web interface ...
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[10:54] <explore> ogra: tyty look'n it up
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[12:32] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[13:07] <Ubuntoad> Hello friends!
[13:07] <amaroq> Q. when we install using sudo apt install <application> is the Snap version installed or a different package?
[13:08] <amaroq> IOW, are all package versions installed, whether through Software or CLI, Snap packages, or are there other 'regular' versions?
[13:13] <Ubuntoad> I believe it is a different package installed when you use "apt-get"... Snap and APT are different package management systems and apt is designed to work with Debian distributions such as Ubuntu. Snap is a more universal management system used on a wide range of Linux distributions.
[13:13] <ogra> if you do apt install you usually install deb packages, not snaps ... that said, there are three deb's that actually install snaps from their maintainer scripts in the aftermath ... they are chromum. lxd and firefox
[13:13] <ogra> *chromium
[13:14] <Ubuntoad> He knows more than me ^ lol
[13:14] <ogra> well, your description was absolutely correct 🙂
[13:15] <Ubuntoad> Just worded like a neanderthal
[13:15] <Ubuntoad> But thank you for sharing what you know with us. I learned something new today.
[13:18] <Ubuntoad> I finally got Ubuntu installed on my machine. I was working on it from about 4pm until midnight last night, and it just would not boot. Could only do the live sessions from the etched USB drive. And it was all because my PC was set to boot in legacy mode instead of UEFI.
[13:21] <silv3r_m00n2> hi there, what is the latest way of running gui apps with root privileges ? i want to run software-properties-kde program, but it needs to run as root ... how do i do that ? kdesu and kdesudo are not available anymore
[13:26] <amaroq> Ubuntoad, thx
[13:26] <amaroq> ogra, thx
[13:26] <Ubuntoad> Of course :)
[13:27] <amaroq> So, apt and installing deb packages is better than installing the universal package through Snap? ...I find some of them are slow to launch
[13:29] <Ubuntoad> I believe that is correct. It would be better to install the .deb package instead of a snap package since Ubuntu is a Debian distribution.
[13:29] <amaroq> When I open Software everything seems set for snaps :s
[13:31] <Ubuntoad> Ope. I got them backwards. Snap is default for Ubuntu. APT is used if you want to create packages to use across different distributions.
[13:31] <Ubuntoad> But snap is primarily an Ubuntu package management system.
[13:32] <Ubuntoad> You CAN get it to work with other distributions, but it isn't installed in those other distributions by default, so you would have to use your terminal to get it installed for snap packages to run correctly.
[13:34] <amaroq> I see...I just recently came back to Ubuntu. When I was using it before snap wasn't a thing. Now I see snaps and flatpaks are the nenw thing in Linux-land
[13:35] <Ubuntoad> I just came back to Ubuntu after not using it for a few years.
[13:36] <Ubuntoad> A lot has changed, but I like it. The new look, fancy multi-tasking features, etc. It's nice.
[14:04] <amaroq> Yea, same...loving it on the whole...not sure about snaps though, lol
[14:07] <amaroq> installed Dictionary but wondering whether there might be a better one? ...I like a dictionary that auto-completes and suggests words as one is typing. Also, this one is a bit slow to launch
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[15:50] <pyzozord> Hello did anyone updated from 20.04 to 22.04? I'm worried it will be a lot of troubles.
[15:51] <EriC^^> pyzozord: you could always backup before
[15:51] <Chloe343> yeah
[15:51] <Chloe343> it should probably be okay i think
[15:51] <Chloe343> you could wait for the point release if you're unsure
[15:51] <pyzozord> point release?
[15:51] <EriC^^> 22.04.1 it comes out this week i guess
[15:51] <pyzozord> ooh ok
[15:52] <pyzozord> good idea
[15:52] <jhutchins> pyzozord: They bundle up all of the interim updates so that there's a standard starting point.
[15:52] <jhutchins> pyzozord: Most people just install the updates as they come out.
[15:52] <pyzozord> I think 22 goes to wayland, I had stuff set up with .applications etc
[15:53] <pyzozord> also I have custom configuration of pulse to have noise cancelation for microphone and compressor for speakers
[15:53] <Chloe343> 22 also had an X.Org option dw
[15:53] <Chloe343> it still uses Pulse so I think it might carry over just fine
[15:53] <Chloe343> again I'm not sure tho
[15:55] <pyzozord> about the backup, what are my options there? Honestly I don't remember all things I configured
[15:55] <pyzozord> certainly I have highly configured bashrc
[15:55] <Chloe343> hmm idk
[15:56] <Chloe343> BTRFS?
[15:56] <Chloe343> or Timeshift?
[15:56] <Chloe343> yeah Timeshift!
[15:56] <EriC^^> pyzozord: you could copy the list of installed programs + your home dir somewhere
[16:06] <julio> testando
[16:06] <julio> xubuntu muito bom
[16:07] <EriC^^> !sp | julio
[16:07] <EriC^^> !es | julio
[16:07] <ubottu> julio: En la mayoría de los canales de Ubuntu, se habla sólo en inglés. Si busca ayuda en español entre al canal #ubuntu-es; escriba " /join #ubuntu-es " (sin comillas) y presione intro.
[16:07] <julio> ola boa tarde
[16:08] <julio> ola tudo bom
[16:08] <julio> ola teste teste
[17:21] <jhutchins> !pt
[17:21] <ubottu> Por favor, use #ubuntu-br para ajuda em português. Para entrar no canal por favor faça "/join #ubuntu-br" sem as aspas. Para a comunidade local portuguêsa, use #ubuntu-pt. Obrigada.
[17:45] <certiorari> which phones are suited for ubuntu mobile OS?
[17:45] <certiorari> is there anyone with it preinstalled?
[17:45] <oerheks> !phone
[17:45] <ubottu> Information about the mobile port of the Ubuntu platform (formely Ubuntu Touch) for Phone and Tablet is available here: https://ubports.com/. Support and discussion in #ubports
[17:45] <oerheks> ask in ubpots, they have a list with devices?
[17:45] <certiorari> ok, thx
[17:47] <SpeedrunnerG55> i think i acsidentally deleted  edac_core.ko in /sys/module/edac_core/parameters. how can I get it back?
[17:50] <oerheks> reinstall the package where it belongs to? edac-utils perhaps?
[17:51] <SpeedrunnerG55> i dont have that installed
[17:52] <oerheks> me neither, and i have no clue where  edac_core.ko  comes from?
[17:52] <SpeedrunnerG55> for a second i read that username as edac, I nearly fell off my chair
[17:53] <SpeedrunnerG55> i just know the file started with edac_ and ended with ko
[17:54] <SpeedrunnerG55> i looked that up an google and found a file named edac_more.ko
[17:54] <SpeedrunnerG55> core*
[17:57] <SpeedrunnerG55> is there a way i can reinstall edac?
[17:59] <oerheks> i have no idea, maybe someone else here can give the answer?
[17:59] <rfm> SpeedrunnerG55, it's part of the linux kernel, but I'm not finding any ubuntu kernel packages with it.  What kernel are you running ("uname -a" will tell)
[18:00] <SpeedrunnerG55> Linux Mobile-Kep 5.4.0-122-generic #138-Ubuntu SMP Wed Jun 22 15:00:31 UTC 2022 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[18:03] <Eickmeyer> What device is this for?
[18:03] <Eickmeyer> SpeedrunnerG55: ^
[18:04] <Eickmeyer> I'm asking because that file doesn't match any ubuntu packages.
[18:05] <SpeedrunnerG55> my computer, im not sure what you mean exactly
[18:06] <Eickmeyer> edac_core.ko doesn't exist in any files in the Ubuntu repositories in any package.
[18:06] <Eickmeyer> Moreover, the kernel you're running doesn't match any kernel Uname Ubuntu ships.
[18:07] <rfm> SpeedrunnerG55, /sys/ is not a normal file system, it's just a way to inspect and set kernel options
[18:07] <SpeedrunnerG55> hmmm
[18:07] <Eickmeyer> It makes me suspect you're not running an authetic Ubuntu system.
[18:08] <Eickmeyer> *authentic
[18:08] <rfm> 5.4.0-122-generic is the kernel version in my plain vanilla 20.04 system, doesn't look odd to me
[18:08] <Eickmeyer> rfm: Yeah, you're right, I misread the system name.
[18:09] <SpeedrunnerG55> i remember installing it from the ISO I downloaded from ubuntu
[18:10] <SpeedrunnerG55> im just trying to figure out what the file is I deleted and how I can get it back
[18:10] <Eickmeyer> SpeedrunnerG55: I don't think it's unauthentic anymore, nevermind me.
[18:11] <Eickmeyer> That said, /sys isn't a place where files are stored, per se.
[18:11] <Eickmeyer> So, I think you have nothing to worry about.
[18:12] <rfm> SpeedrunnerG55, the only thing I can find that's similar is /lib/modules/5.4.0-122-generic/kernel/drivers/edac/i7core_edac.ko, which is at least a place where kernel objects would be found (unlike /sys)
[18:27] <ogra> SpeedrunnerG55, /sys is a virtual filesystem ... the kernel creates all content in there reflecting devices and settings  ... if you *actually* deleted a "file" in /sys (and not somewhere on an actual filesystem), it will be back after reboot
[18:28] <ogra> (normally you can not delete files in /sys)
[18:28] <oerheks> good spot ogra
[18:32] <cluelessperson> Why does the ubuntu calculator app block keybindings?
[18:33] <cluelessperson> like wth
[18:38] <SpeedrunnerG55> Orga, i think i know what i did now, I dragged a file from lib, somewhere else, making a copy, then I did ctrl z, I said it would delete the file, I thought I moved the file so I think it just deleted the copy
[18:38] <SpeedrunnerG55> it*
[19:05] <ynot> fosmsn mini key works like a champ
[19:06] <ynot> ok l8r
[19:09] <jhutchins> This is why you don't use a GUI for system management.
[19:12] <jhutchins> Hey, what's this button do?
[19:22] <thyriaen> checked https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/407116/preview-pdf-as-image-in-ranger this and nothing happens - it stills shows text - i have never changed any configs in ranger so maybe i need to run a command to apply it ? i have pdftoppm installed
[19:43] <amosbird> Does focal provide gcc-11.2?
[19:44] <oerheks> amosbird, check launchpad?
[19:45] <oerheks> i guess not.. as 11 was not released when focal came out.. same story as yesterday with bionic
[19:46] <amosbird> Hmm, and there is only one ppa related to gcc-11: ppa:ubuntu-toolchain-r/test. And it only contains gcc-11.1...
[19:47] <amosbird> Is there a way to backport this https://packages.ubuntu.com/impish/gcc-11 to focal?
[19:47] <oerheks> no, yesterday you have been told to use a vm, if you really need that version
[19:47] <oerheks> or. build it yourself
[19:49] <amosbird> oerheks: hmm, can I reuse the [gcc-defaults_1.193ubuntu1.dsc] file from impish?
[19:50] <amosbird> to build it myself
[19:50] <ioria> amosbird, it's not the only one
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[20:30] <jhutchins> !info gcc
[20:30] <ubottu> gcc (4:11.2.0-1ubuntu1, jammy): GNU C compiler. In component main, is optional. Built by gcc-defaults. Size 5 kB / 50 kB
[20:36] <codingkoopa> Is there a reason why the Ubuntu Packages Search (https://packages.ubuntu.com/) does not list the -security suites? Also, why is the release suite so prominent if it is totally frozen after the Ubuntu Release? It almost seems like there's some aliasing going on with -updates.
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[20:42] <oerheks> what security suites exactly?
[20:44] <oerheks> not sure what you mean with release suit, but the release version is static,  why is that a surprise?
[20:46] <en7ropy> Hey folks, I was wondering if anyone could help me out with an issue I'm having.  The TL;DR version is: "How do I edit an .so file to include a line of text?"  The longer version is... I'm trying to hook up my Yubikey hardware security key to be required at Ubuntu login.  I'm following instructions on the following site: https://support.yubico.com/hc/en-us/articles/360016649099-Ubuntu-Linux-Login-Guide-U2F  After moving the keys to a more secure
[20:46] <en7ropy> location, I have to edit pam_u2f.so which I think is a binary file to add a line of plaintext.  I have no idea how to do this... any advice is welcome.
[20:50] <oerheks> !info yubikey-manager
[20:50] <ubottu> yubikey-manager (4.0.7-1, jammy): Python library and command line tool for configuring a YubiKey. In component universe, is optional. Built by yubikey-manager. Size 36 kB / 196 kB
[20:50] <oerheks> weird they do not mention this in that guide
[20:50] <codingkoopa> oerheks: about the release suite, if it's frozen then to me that means that going in bionic would display package versions from 2018 as of the freeze
[20:51] <en7ropy> Yes, I have installed an have used the yubikey-manager.  I have no issue with that.  I have got it working properly.
[20:51] <oerheks> weird term ' release suite' ..
[20:51] <oerheks> you just mean the package list from the release point.
[20:51] <codingkoopa> I am (hopefully correctly?) using Debian terminology because it's what the tooling uses and I find it to be more consistent.
[20:55] <codingkoopa> So if I search for mysql-client-core-5.7, then it comes up both in bionic and bionic-updates, as the same version. But that doesn't make sense to me, if bionic was frozen in 2018 (leaving that old version there),
[20:56] <codingkoopa> (for convenience: https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?suite=all&section=all&arch=any&keywords=mysql-client-5.7&searchon=names)
[20:56] <enigma9o7[m]> ah
[20:56] <enigma9o7[m]> there are point releases to  bionic
[20:56] <enigma9o7[m]> all the things in -updates are later released in the next piont release
[20:56] <enigma9o7[m]> w're up to 18.04.6 i think?
[20:57] <codingkoopa> ahhh, that was not mentioned in the SecurityTeam FAQ ^^
[20:58] <oerheks> i see, still there is the changelog..
[20:58] <oerheks> http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/m/mysql-5.7/mysql-5.7_5.7.39-0ubuntu0.18.04.2/changelog
[20:59] <codingkoopa> Also, as for, is there a reason why that site displays -updates and -security differently, even though they are both suites (or, in Ubuntu terms, pockets or origins)? ("bionic-updates" is a package list in its own right, but "[security]" is appended to the listing as the component/repositories are)
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[21:00] <codingkoopa> It seems inconsistent so I want to make sure my mental model isn't wrong.
[21:00] <oerheks> indeed, i would expect the basis package in bionic, and current in updates and backports
[21:01] <oerheks> maybe worth a bugreport, but point releases like enigma9o7[m] noted, might explain this
[21:01] <enigma9o7[m]> yes, every point release includes all the updates and security updates to date.
[21:02] <codingkoopa> Yeah, that makes sense to be, otherwise the release suite (e.g. "xenial") would seem obsolete after all the packages start getting obsolete.
[21:03] <enigma9o7[m]> we're probably about due for another point release version, looking at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases says we've been on 18.04.6 since last september
[21:07] <codingkoopa> Oh I think I get it now.
[21:08] <codingkoopa> So bionic-updates is its own (optional) suite, and while bionic and bionic-security are distinct suites under the hood, the Packages Search transparently "combines" them, suggesting that running with bionic alone is not a supported usecase.
[21:08] <codingkoopa> It's just showing the latest version/changelog for -security, and adding "[security]" to indicate that fact, I think.
[21:08] <codingkoopa> ("showing the latest version/changelog for -security" in place of the normal release, that is)
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[21:17] <jhutchins> codingkoopa: Why are you struggling so hard with a four-year-old release?
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[21:23] <forgotmynick> I've got an ubuntu machine to share pictures and videos over lan through samba. These are videos taken from my phone so they can be a few hundred megabytes to about a gigabyte each and there's lots of pictures. I've noticed that after watching a few or flicking through a few from a client device (whether ipad, windows or mac), it just hangs/stops and I have to restart samba for it to work. It's only 1 device accessing the share
[21:23] <forgotmynick> at any given moment. The system has 32GB of memory and there's always over 20GB free. I had windows installed on the machine before to act as the server and I never had an issue like this. I'm obviously doing something wrong or haven't configured something properly but I'm not sure where to start debugging. The samba log files don't show errors at the time the hanging occurs. Here's log entries (I'm using debian pastebin
[21:23] <forgotmynick> because ubuntu's asks me to login) https://paste.debian.net/plainh/431f994b - I'd appreciate any pointers on what to do or where to look
[21:24] <codingkoopa> jhutchins: the principles of how the suites work are no different, no?
[21:25] <codingkoopa> I'm working with a 18.04 system, but I don't think I have said anything that doesn't apply to newer releases.
[21:25] <dreamon> forgotmynick, sudo watch smbstatus → might show you some info
[21:27] <jhutchins> codingkoopa: It would seem simpler to work with a more recent release.
[21:27] <enigma9o7[m]> although soon 22.04 will have its first point release and the same thing will apply.  understanding the concept is the same.
[21:28] <forgotmynick> dreamon: thanks
[21:28] <enigma9o7[m]> I still have my two main machines on 18.04 and everything is fine...
[21:36] <jhutchins> I have no doubt 18.04 works fine, but people seem to be struggling to get the latest shiney new applications on it.
[21:37] <jhutchins> My base system is even older, but I don't expect it to have all the latest bugs ,,, er, features.
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[21:57] <Ubuntoad> Hey again friends.
[22:25] <codingkoopa> Based on [1], it seems like changing the suites used on your system is less of a mechanism of controlling what program versions are used, and more of *when* they are deployed. e.g. if you are running with `xenial` + `xenial-security`, you won't be bothered with `xenial-updates` updates, but you will inevitably get those changes anyways since the
[22:25] <codingkoopa> next security fix will be based off of that.
[22:25] <codingkoopa> [1] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/FAQ#How_are_the_.22-updates.22_and_.22-security.22_pockets_different.3F
[22:26] <codingkoopa> Is that still right? That -security packages are based on the latest package between -updates and -security?
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[22:32] <Eickmeyer> codingkoopa: The security team would know more about that (some, but not all, lurk here), they can be found in #ubuntu-security.
[22:32] <codingkoopa> Oh, good point, thanks ^^
[22:35] <codingkoopa> (and thanks everyone else who chimed in - this has been helpful)
[22:38] <ermailea> Hey guys, what's the difference between using the apt command and the Sofware Updater?
[22:38] <ermailea> When I run the "apt update" command it says there are 14 packages that can be upgraded but when I open the Software Updater it says "The software on this computer is up to date".
[22:38] <ermailea> https://imgur.com/a/xgNRfnb
[22:38] <ermailea> https://imgur.com/a/LfIWZVp
[22:39] <lord_daemon> i'm using chattr(chattr +i fFILE) to not enable change my file in ftp but user can view, how do i disallow view?
[22:39] <jhutchins> ermailea: Another reason not to depend on cartoons to manage your system.