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[00:20] <morganu> OK answering 1. I took card 1 out and put it in the slot of card 2 and put card 2 in the slot that card one was in. (I made this up to see if it made a difference.)
[00:22] <morganu> 3. OK I will run it with one SIMM and then the other and see what's up.
[00:23] <morganu> I dont know about other versions of memtest.  or "the iso from memtest itself that is compatible)  Memterst is program not an iso that makes a bootable disk to use to test the memory. afaik.
[00:24] <morganu> 4. I have no overclocking and the most fancy thing I have done are some ubuntu tweaks to the dic.
[00:25] <morganu> 5. When I say "locks up" I means slows down to unusable. Looks locked to me and mouse freezes but then releases, only to apparnetly freeze when I do anything but rebooting fixes it. Or quitting chrome if I catch it when it just startes to slow. (ditto with Firefox)
[00:26] <morganu> OK I have mentioned what I can tomreyn and oerheks .  I dont know how uefi fits in. As you kow I have been mentioning this for 2 years.
[00:27] <morganu> It was tomreyn who helped me check the temps.
[00:45] <tomreyn> morganu: use the free version here https://www.memtest86.com/download.htm
[02:13] <greybored> Is there a way to install the "Ubuntu Server (minimized)" option via autoinstall? Using the yaml config generated with autoinstall installs a non-minimized setup.
[02:15] <ravage> greybored, https://ubuntu.com/server/docs/install/autoinstall also maybe ask in #ubuntu-server
[02:18] <greybored> ravage: thanks. I've looked over the doc but nothing is mentioned. I'll ping #ubuntu-server.
[02:22] <ravage> greybored, https://www.molnar-peter.hu/en/ubuntu-jammy-netinstall-pxe.html maybe the examples can be helpful
[02:24] <plugger> hi all-im having some drama with apt does anyone have any suggestions here is what ive done so far and what im getting back
[02:24] <plugger> https://pastebin.com/NcCLCEgF
[02:26] <plugger> in short i cant upgrade 3 packages, they are being held back and im not sure how to remedy the situation or if i even need to(perhaps i just need to edit my sources config)
[02:26] <oerheks> try apt dist-upgrade
[02:26] <ravage> plugger, what does "apt policy python3-distupgrade" say?
[02:27] <ravage> it is shown as a phased update here at 0% rollout
[02:27] <plugger> when run this still gets held back  python3-distupgrade ubuntu-release-upgrader-core ubuntu-release-upgrader-gtk
[02:28] <ravage> in that case all you have to to is wait. you can also explicitly install the packages with "apt install python3-distupgrade ubuntu-release-upgrader-core ubuntu-release-upgrader-gtk"
[02:28] <oerheks> maybe you need a reboot, after that recent kernel update? check if the file /var/run/reboot-required exists
[02:28] <Bashing-om> !info python3-distupgrade jammy
[02:28] <ubottu> python3-distupgrade (1:22.04.12, jammy): manage release upgrades. In component main, is standard. Built by ubuntu-release-upgrader. Size 104 kB / 632 kB
[02:28] <plugger> https://pastebin.com/4E8mhZZL
[02:28] <plugger> this is the policy
[02:29] <plugger> thanks im a slow reader typer got the above
[02:29] <plugger> will reboot and report back how it went, thank you all very much
[02:31] <ravage> apt should really show a better message than just "held back" for phased updates
[02:37] <ravage> https://people.canonical.com/%7Eubuntu-archive/phased-updates.html has a list of those updates.
[02:38] <oerheks> ravage, solution already exists, but should be integrated in the messages,  /var/run/reboot-required
[02:49] <plugger> hi all the same results after reboot but am reading this page re "phased updates"; which i only just became aware of cuz of y'all and bashingom
[02:50] <plugger> thanks so much this was very interesting to find out about/stumble onto thanks to your feedback
[02:50] <plugger> assuming this applies to my situation yeah? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PhasedUpdates
[02:54] <plugger> Bashing-om, does this invoke a bot that is present on the channel or on your system?" "!info python3-distupgrade jammy" is it possible to browse the bots information
[02:56] <plugger> found what i need never mind google is my friend now =)
[02:56] <Bashing-om> !ubottu | plugger
[02:56] <ubottu> plugger: Hi! I'm #ubuntu's favorite infobot. You can search my brain at https://ubottu.com/factoids.cgi | General info and channels at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Bots | Make a clone of me, see !botclone
[02:56] <plugger> thanks dude
[02:57] <plugger> cool =)
[02:57] <ravage> if you want to test the bot you can just PM it. it replies there too
[02:58] <plugger> thats sick (really good)
[02:58] <lotuspsychje> !msgthebot
[02:58] <ubottu> Please investigate me only with "/msg ubottu bot" or in #ubuntu-bots. Search for factoids with "/msg ubottu search <pattern>"
[03:27] <plugger> having trouble getting any factoids replied to in the #ubuntu-bots channel, here are my commands-what am i doing wrong
[03:28] <plugger> " !ubottu search repeat patience" or "/msg ubottu search repeat patience"
[03:29] <plugger> the bot channels open up but not found is always the reply and i have gotten repeat patience from the factoid page-what gives
[03:32] <Bashing-om> !patience | plugger
[03:32] <ubottu> plugger: Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly; if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. While you wait, try searching https://help.ubuntu.com or https://ubuntuforums.org or https://askubuntu.com/
[03:41] <arraybolt3[m]> plugger: Just in case it's not obvious, Bashing-om was showing you the syntax for calling bot commands, not telling you to be patient. Just !<command here> | <user to direct it to, optionally with any added info>
[03:42] <arraybolt3[m]> plugger: So if a user is misbehaving and I want to tell the operators exactly who is doing things that are harmful and what has gone wrong, I might use "!ops | user123 is disrupting the channel". (Don't actually call the !ops command here, it's the IRC equivalent of a fire alarm.)
[03:42] <arraybolt3[m]> (At least in this room.)
[03:43] <Bashing-om> !cookie | arraybolt3[m]
[03:43] <ubottu> arraybolt3[m]: Wow! You're such a great helper, you deserve a cookie!
[03:44] <nino_> hey
[03:44] <arraybolt3[m]> Bashing-om: 😋
[03:44] <arraybolt3[m]> nino_: Hello! How can we help you?
[03:45] <arraybolt3[m]> plugger: Also, the whole Ubottu factoid database can be found here: https://ubottu.com/factoids.cgi
[03:47] <nino_> dont know what to do with my ubuntu. any suggestions
[03:59] <omgubuntu> OMG! Ubuntu!
[04:28] <SpeedrunnerG55> i did a big nono and ran wine as root, other than sudo chown -R $USER:$USER .wine and sudo rm -rf /root/.wine is there anything else i need to do?
[06:07] <plugger> thanks guys re "!patience | plugger", laughed my head off but im glad it was mentioned ha ha
[06:16] <plugger> http://ubottu.com/devel/wiki/Plugins dead link any ideas
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[06:45] <SpeedrunnerG55> can i run cinebench?
[07:05] <plugger> Speedrunn
[07:41] <alocer> Hello Chat.
[07:59] <liaison-ggcc> How do I use this application to my benefit? I am new to Linux
[08:03] <alocer> what application?
[08:22] <liaison-ggcc> Hexchat@alocer
[08:24] <wwwi> hello
[08:24] <wwwi> I download openoffice for ubuntu, the deb distribution, I opened the zipped file, but I don't know which file to run
[08:24] <wwwi> any ideas?
[08:27] <ravage> wwwi, why dont you use the version that comes with Ubuntu?
[08:28] <ravage> it is called libreoffice
[08:35] <wwwi> ravage, ok thanks
[08:52] <alocer> liaison-ggcc: Thats the question, isn't it? Why are we even here? are we real, or bots?
[08:56] <lex_> ola
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[09:45] <plugger> wwwi, Make sure to save documents according to what the person opening need are;the program they will use to open it with
[09:45] <plugger> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/General/012
[09:45] <plugger> *needs
[10:23] <manwhowouldbekin> Greetings, all! Every now and then (several times a day), my USB keyboard stops responding on Ubuntu 22.04 (used to happen on Ubuntu 20.04 as well). To get it working again I have to unplug and plug the cable back in. I am inspecting the system logs to figure out what the issue is but am not sure how to distill it from the logs. Any suggestions are appreciated. https://pastebin.com/TSWhRPhV
[10:24] <manwhowouldbekin> P.S. There are also a lot of SSL handshake errors in that log. What are those about?
[10:25] <ravage> try another USB port and keyboard. im pretty sure this is a hardware problem
[10:27] <manwhowouldbekin> ravage, Tried a different port. Same issue.
[10:28] <ravage> then try another keyboard and try the current keyboard on another computer
[10:28] <ravage> your SSL errors may be related to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/chromium-browser/+bug/1941891
[10:28] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1941891 in chromium-browser (Ubuntu) "Constant and frequent SSL handshake errors in logs" [Undecided, New]
[10:29] <_WEZ_> SSL is deprecated, broken and not used anymore, so of course you will get SSL errors.
[10:31] <plugger> when sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade will apt look for any available cpu microcode updates? are there any caveats
[10:32] <plugger> like enabling additional drivers in the gui or editing the sources list
[10:32] <ravage> plugger, only if you have the amd or intel microcode package installed
[10:33] <plugger> i get microcode update driver v2.2. when run dmesg | grep microcode
[10:34] <plugger> how..?
[10:34] <ravage> the driver is in the kernel i suppose?
[10:35] <ravage> is does not say anything about using any microcode update
[10:36] <plugger> how would i enable this for an amd64 phenom 2 cpu
[10:36] <ravage> !info amd64-microcode
[10:36] <ubottu> amd64-microcode (3.20191218.1ubuntu2, jammy): Processor microcode firmware for AMD CPUs. In component main, is extra. Built by amd64-microcode. Size 32 kB / 76 kB. (Only available for i386, amd64, x32.)
[10:36] <plugger> "sudo apt update && sudo apt install amd64-microcode" ?
[10:37] <ravage> yes
[10:37] <plugger> ty
[10:38] <ravage> not sure if you get any updates from this decade.  phenom 2 is really old and EOL
[10:38] <plugger> yeah i know
[10:38] <plugger> lols
[10:38] <plugger> rofl thought id have a look
[10:39] <plugger> there
[10:39] <plugger> s nothing for me =(
[11:49] <vboxhelp> i can not find virtualbox installed using apt or dpkg, how can i listed installed application?
[11:50] <vboxhelp> i think i installed it with dpkg -i vbox.deb, why is it not listed in dpkg or apt?
[11:50] <lotuspsychje> vboxhelp: apt policy virtualbox
[11:51] <vboxhelp> lotuspsychje thanks, it shows as not installed.
[11:52] <lotuspsychje> vboxhelp: install the one from the ubuntu repos
[11:52] <lotuspsychje> !info virtualbox
[11:52] <ubottu> virtualbox (6.1.34-dfsg-3~ubuntu1.22.04.1, jammy): x86 virtualization solution - base binaries. In component multiverse, is optional. Built by virtualbox. Size 22,618 kB / 108,523 kB. (Only available for amd64.)
[11:52] <vboxhelp> i am running it now, so I know it is installed, maybe I installed it with some .run script from there website.
[11:53] <vboxhelp> why goal here is to figure out what has been installed, delete everything and start from scratch. is there any other tools I can use to track down what and how it was installed?
[11:53] <lotuspsychje> vboxhelp: some external debs might drag in external ppa's too, wich this channel dont support
[11:53] <EriC^^> vboxhelp: you'd have to see the .run file if it has any uninstall feature, also doing `which virtualbox` might give more info where it's installed
[11:54] <vboxhelp> is there some kind of log I can use to track down what I did, as i seem to have deleted whatever deb file i used to install it
[11:54] <vboxhelp> EriC^^ thanks
[11:55] <lotuspsychje> vboxhelp: /var/log/dpkg logs might also help
[11:55] <EriC^^> vboxhelp: you could see your browser history/downloads and download it again or see the docs of the maintainer
[11:55] <EriC^^> vboxhelp: your bash history or roots could show the commands you used to install also
[11:56] <vboxhelp> dpkg logs is a good idea, this will not be to large and maybe there something in there I can find. I could also grab the version number from the installed copy and look at their website for a matching deb or .run script
[11:56] <ikonia> dpkg logs won't show anything unless you installed package
[11:57] <vboxhelp> ikonia true, maybe it can help prove i didnt use a deb file to install it, then i can go on the theory it was a .run script
[11:57] <ikonia> you don't need to prove that
[11:57] <ikonia> you've already proven you didn't when you did a policy check
[12:00] <vboxhelp> ikonia i checked apt and dpkg I can not find a policy command, where can I find info on this command?
[12:00] <ikonia> vboxhelp: you did it earlier
[12:00] <ikonia> you've already checked
[12:00] <vboxhelp> i found it dpkg-cache
[12:00] <ikonia> you've already done it and proved you've not installed a package
[12:08] <vboxhelp> ikonia ok i read the help file for apt-cache policy, everything we have dont so far assumes the package is called virtualbox. What if the .deb file I installed was not called virtualbox, or was some alpha version i downloaded from the website.
[12:08] <vboxhelp> There are the ways I know how to search for installed packages, am i missing any other important commands?
[12:08] <vboxhelp> apt search
[12:08] <vboxhelp> apt show
[12:08] <vboxhelp> apt list
[12:08] <vboxhelp> apt-cache policy
[12:09] <ikonia> vboxhelp: we already know you've not installed it with a package
[12:09] <EriC^^> vboxhelp: try "dpkg -S `which virtualbox`"
[12:09] <EriC^^> if the file was part of dpkg it should give you the package
[12:09] <vboxhelp> I do not know that, can you tell me so I understand and learn from this.
[12:09] <vboxhelp> EriC^^ that is a good idea, i didnt know you could do that.
[12:12] <vboxhelp> EriC^^ ok this is great idea, i read the man page like 5x and was to stupid to figure this out.
[12:13] <vboxhelp> so there is no package that contains this path so it was installed some other way.
[12:13] <ikonia> yes, we know this
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[12:43] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[12:44] <Jasmin> Hi
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[13:09] <Chunkyz> BluesKaj: can we help with something? 🙃
[13:10] <gordonjcp> BluesKaj: afternoon
[13:10] <BluesKaj> hi gordonjcp
[13:10] <Maik> hi BluesKaj
[13:10] <Chunkyz> 😂😂😂😂
[13:10] <Maik> hey gordonjcp, decided to come back? :)
[13:11] <Chunkyz> Channel is a joke. Supposedly it's a support channel. Give up. Bye.
[13:13] <Maik> gordonjcp: never mind, mistaken you for someone else.
[13:14] <BluesKaj> heh, good riddance to Chunkyz
[13:15] <gordonjcp> Maik: I've been here for quite a bit, I just (surprisingly) don't say a lot
[13:16] <Maik> :)
[13:16] <gordonjcp> BluesKaj: they seem a bit sensitive
[13:16] <gordonjcp> wonder what that little outburst was about
[13:17] <gordonjcp> Anyone needing support?
[13:17] <BluesKaj> he's got some kind of "ot" stick up his ass
[13:17] <gordonjcp> No? Then let the idle chatter resume
[13:18] <gordonjcp> see this is precisely why I set up a forum called "rangerovers.pub", because the guy who ran "rangerovers.net" wanted it to be for discussing on-topic repairs and modifications only
[13:18]  * summonner winds up the chatterbox
[14:32] <InPhase> Has anyone been tracking the progress on that constant snap update 13 day notification bug that has been plaguing 22.04?
[14:33] <InPhase> I figured that would be a quick fix since it's probably plaguing everyone, but it still seems to be around.
[14:33] <leftyfb> InPhase: did you file a bug?
[14:34] <InPhase> leftyfb: I try to avoid refiling known bugs.  :)
[14:35] <leftyfb> InPhase: do you have a link to the existing bug?
[14:36] <InPhase> Well it's not googling well right now because the Internet is flooded by higher ranked links of people complaining about it.
[14:36] <leftyfb> InPhase: this channel is primarily volunteers who provide support. There is no expectation that Ubuntu/Canonical engineers are monitoring the chat and will respond with progress on bug reports.
[14:37] <leftyfb> InPhase: I would try to track down the bug and add yourself as a watcher. That is the best way to keep up to date on progress
[14:37] <InPhase> leftyfb: Hence why I am asking if other users who had been bothered by it had payed closer attention to it than I did.
[14:37] <InPhase> s/payed/paid/
[14:37] <leftyfb> if you can't find the bug, there's a good chance once hasn't been files and nobody is working on fixing it. In which case, you should file a bug
[14:37] <ioria> https://bugs.launchpad.net/snapd/+bug/1963819
[14:37] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1963819 in snapd "Firefox Snap automatically updated while in use causes crash" [Undecided, In Progress]
[14:38] <leftyfb> ah
[14:38] <ioria> the fix might be sudo snap refresh
[14:38] <leftyfb> that is a bug with Firefox, not snap
[14:38] <ioria> big discussion here : https://www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comments/v2j60h/pending_update_of_firefox_snap_close_the_app_to/
[14:39] <leftyfb> InPhase: did you try the workaround in the bug report?
[14:40] <ravage> https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/wip-refresh-app-awareness/10736/90 firefox should not update while its running anymore with the current stable snapd version
[14:40] <leftyfb> actually, it looks like the behavior I get in Thunderbird seems to have been implemented in the Firefox snap as well. You should be getting a popup warning when FF needs to be restarted
[14:40] <ravage> it still shows that annoying update notification that basically does nothing. to be fixed
[14:40] <InPhase> leftyfb: Sure.  And it just comes back.
[14:40] <leftyfb> InPhase: maybe chime in on the bug report then so they know
[14:41] <ravage> until then close firefox and manually update with "sudo snap refresh"
[14:41] <InPhase> leftyfb: I appreciate the general sentiment, but obviously this one is not suffering from a lack of developer awareness.  :)
[14:42] <leftyfb> InPhase: ok, please add yourself as a watcher to the bug to get further updates on it
[14:42] <leftyfb> InPhase: I can guarantee you none of the Mozilla engineers are monitoring this chat
[14:43] <InPhase> leftyfb: Thanks, I don't need that energy.  I was asking for info, and understand how open source development works, as I participate in it.  Community discussion is a fair part of it too.
[14:44] <ogra> the notification feature lives in snapd ... updating any snaps while they are running is bad ...
[14:44] <ogra> ... this is why it was added ... but it has UX issues that need solving
[14:45] <ogra> (and whch are being solved now ... )
[14:46] <InPhase> ioria: It looks like this was filed all over the place, but one of the links on your reddit discussion link appears to be the bug report most likely to lead to a fix.  Thanks.  https://bugs.launchpad.net/snapd/+bug/1963819
[14:46] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1963819 in snapd "Firefox Snap automatically updated while in use causes crash" [Undecided, In Progress]
[14:46] <ioria> InPhase, ok
[14:48] <ogra> either way, the thread ravage linked to above is the main place where things are discussed and tracked for the snap update feature ...
[14:48] <gordonjcp> right
[14:49] <gordonjcp> what's the magic incantation to make update-manager update a machine to the newest Ubuntu?
[14:49] <ogra> do-release-update -d
[14:49] <oerheks> wait for august 4
[14:49] <ogra> well
[14:49] <ioria> i suggest to use also the -c flag, first
[14:49] <ogra> waiting for aug. 4th will give you the latest LTS ...
[14:50] <ogra> (not the "latest ubuntu" 🙂 )
[14:50] <leftyfb> gordonjcp: in 3 days, you'll get a notification to update
[14:50] <gordonjcp> leftyfb: from impish?
[14:50] <ogra> nope, from impish you should be able to update right now with just calling do-release-update
[14:50] <leftyfb> !eol | gordonjcp
[14:50] <ubottu> gordonjcp: End-Of-Life is when security updates and support for an Ubuntu release stop. Make sure to update Ubuntu before it goes EOL so you get updates promptly for newly-discovered security vulnerabilities. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOL and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases for more info. Looking to upgrade from an EOL release? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades
[14:51] <gordonjcp> but yes, do-release-update not update-manager, that's what I was getting wrong
[14:51] <leftyfb> !eolupgrade | gordonjcp
[14:51] <gordonjcp> leftyfb: yes, I know it's EOL, that's why I'm upgrading
[14:51] <leftyfb> gordonjcp: I was trying to get you the link to the EOL upgrade instructions
[14:51] <gordonjcp> leftyfb: I haven't upgraded from one version to another before
[14:51] <gordonjcp> leftyfb: do-release-upgrade seems to be doing the job
[14:52] <gordonjcp> leftyfb: previously I've always just removed the disk, stuck a new one in, and done a clean install
[14:52] <gordonjcp> but the computer shop is shut for the local fair fortnight
[14:52] <leftyfb> gordonjcp: in my opinion, that is the best route
[14:52] <gordonjcp> leftyfb: I have disks going back something like 15 years
[14:52] <gordonjcp> leftyfb: some of them contain condensed copies of at least another ten year's worth
[14:53] <gordonjcp> I have one of those blue moving crates full of old hard disks, it weighs at least 80kg, and I have no idea how I'm going to get it out of my mate's workshop and into the car
[14:54] <gordonjcp> I can barely lift it
[14:55] <leftyfb> gordonjcp: take some drives out and put them into another container. But we're getting a bit offtopic here.
[14:55] <gordonjcp> leftyfb: that's too simple and straightforward for me to have ever thought of
[14:55] <gordonjcp> but yes, and also yes
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[15:39] <enzo> hi
[15:41] <enzo> dead chat right?
[15:42] <ioria> define 'dead' please
[15:42] <lotuspsychje> can we help you enzo
[15:42] <enzo> oh, forget it, im more like a discord user
[15:43] <enzo> first time using irc
[15:46] <enzo> ooooooohhh its a support channel
[15:46] <enzo> welp
[15:50] <jelly> hi.  I've just upgraded a laptop from 18.04 to 20.04.  Using the default DE.  How do I set theme for Qt5 apps (like keepassxc) to match the dark theme for GTK3/Gnome apps?
[15:58] <ioria> jelly, you can try with  qt5ct
[16:11] <jelly> ioria, that seems to be good enough, thanks.  I found some cruft from appmenu-qt5 (from 16.04?) that was in the way and cleaned it up.
[16:11] <ioria> ok
[16:58] <quantum_> I am looking under setttings --> keyboard --> view and customize shortcuts --> Sounds and Media , and it has all the keyboard shortcuts marked as disabled. Is there a way to select a keyboard type or something that will assign all these keys to the proper values
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[16:59] <loganrun> is there some place to select the actual keyboard type or something like that
[17:01] <loganrun> ?
[17:01] <loganrun> anyone online?
[17:02] <realivanjx> what kind of keyboard type
[17:02] <loganrun> logitech
[17:02] <realivanjx> what r u trying to do
[17:03] <loganrun> get the standard keyboard defaults for the special keys set up like usual
[17:04] <loganrun> there must be some way to select keyboard type
[17:04] <realivanjx> you probably need custom software from your keyboard's vendor
[17:05] <KNERD> what do you mean "type"? The brand or language ?
[17:05] <loganrun> na, on other ubuntu setups it works fine
[17:05] <realivanjx> if you are talking about the fn keys then it should just work
[17:06] <loganrun> for example the speaker keys should increase and decrease the volume, but there is no mapping for any of that type of key
[17:07] <loganrun> then there is the pause/play key and skip forward and backwards, the mute key etc
[17:08] <loganrun> I am probably go through and define each one manually but there should be someone to get the typical default keyboard setup
[17:10] <realivanjx> i think they should just work because it uses standard keyboard mapping. on laptops you have similar feature with fn keys
[17:10] <loganrun> on a desktop,and it shows disabled for all the sound and media shortcuts for example, and it would accept the key if I press it
[17:11] <loganrun> guess something is wrong at the hardware level it seems like.
[17:14] <oerheks> normaly a multimedia keyboard , certainly logitech, is good detected.
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[18:13] <nelo> hola a todos los camaradas !
[18:18] <oerheks> !es
[18:18] <ubottu> En la mayoría de los canales de Ubuntu, se habla sólo en inglés. Si busca ayuda en español entre al canal #ubuntu-es; escriba " /join #ubuntu-es " (sin comillas) y presione intro.
[18:39] <Usuka> How to install Ubuntu on non-GPT disk?
[18:39] <ikonia> same as a gpt disk
[18:39] <ikonia> installer handles it for you
[18:49] <jhutchins> Usuka: What format specifically?
[18:50] <Usuka> In sense specifically? I may install Ubu 22.04 in dualboot with shindows7, but ubu wants to format my disk table into gpt, but shindows needs mbr.
[18:51] <ikonia> you mean 'windows' ?
[18:51] <Usuka> yeah
[18:51] <ikonia> so use the correct names please so people know what you're talking about
[18:51] <Usuka> Okay.
[18:55] <Usuka> Okay, I don't use windows. I'll erase it.
[18:55] <jhutchins> !repos
[18:55] <ubottu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. More information at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecommendedSources for the recommended way to set up your repositories.
[18:55] <jhutchins> Really?  5 years out of date?
[18:56] <ikonia> which bit's 5 years
[19:01] <jhutchins> ikonia: Are you not seeing 7.10 there?
[19:01] <jhutchins> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecommendedSources
[19:01] <jhutchins> Sorry, that one.
[19:02] <Usuka> And one more question. How to install non-snap Firefox? In a virtual machine snapped Firefox hangs so much
[19:02] <Usuka> *lags, etc.
[19:03] <jhutchins> Is http://us.archive.ubuntu.com actually the main archive for the current release/
[19:04] <jhutchins> ?
[19:07] <ogra> jhutchins, for a small portion of users it is ...
[19:08] <ogra> (the istaller automaticlly picks the closest country mirror )
[19:08] <ogra> *installer
[19:11] <jhutchins> ogra: So *.archive.ubuntu.com - why are current packages in "archive"?
[19:11] <jhutchins> archive != current
[19:12] <ogra> you mean it should be renamed to current.ubuntu.com ?
[19:13] <jhutchins> I guess if you only use the GUI it doesn't mattter.
[19:13] <jhutchins> ogra: There are several more logical options.
[19:14] <ogra> it is the archive of packages ... the naming is originating from debian ... i dont think renaming the archive servers has ever been discussed in debian (or ubuntu) ...
[19:15] <jhutchins> ogra: archives in debian are older releases.
[19:15] <jhutchins> I suppose we could call it obsolete.debian.com on the theory that anything pre-compiled is obsolete.
[19:17] <ogra> not sure what you mean ... we're not gentoo ... everything is pre-compiled
[19:19] <ogra> hmm, and you are correct, debian renamed them to archive.d.o ... it *used* to be the the debian name of the main package archive when we started though ...
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[19:20] <ogra> looks like it is now the equivalent of old-releases.u.c
[19:26] <five61> BTRFS folk, is it possible to mount single disk from RAID1 as read-write so I can replace the failed disk?
[19:27] <five61> only "mount -o degraded,ro" works, "rw" tells me "writable mount is not allowed due to too many missing devices"
[19:27] <five61> and if not, how am I supposed to recover from this situation?
[19:27] <ogra> use your backup ?
[19:27] <sarnold> zfs has a dedicated zpool replace command
[19:28] <sarnold> does btrfs have a similar 'replace the drive' kind of command?
[19:28] <five61> I am thankfully just experimenting with btrfs, no actual data is at risk
[19:28] <sarnold> \o/
[19:28] <five61> the "replace" command in btrfs apparently requires a RW mount of the data
[19:28] <five61> but to RW mount the data you need both disks
[19:28] <five61> which sounds ridiculous to me, as how would you possibly ever recover if one disk goes bad?
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[19:29] <five61> I saw some mentions of "you have only once chance to mount RW" bug in 2017, I would have thought that is fixed now
[19:30] <jhutchins> ogra: So what's the name of the current repos if not archive?
[19:30] <ogra> "if not archive" ?
[19:31] <ogra> it is (and has always been) archive.ubuntu.com ... for mirrors you prefix it with the country code
[19:31] <ogra> (which the installer does by default on new installs, pointing to the closest mirror in your timezone)
[19:32] <ogra> EOL releases of ubuntu are moved to old-releases.ubuntu.com ...
[19:44] <five61> nevermind on my issue, I had set up the raid mode incorrectly...
[19:46] <sarnold> ah that's a good thing to find out *before* you need it :D
[20:16] <carnophage2> hi
[20:16] <carnophage2> is it unadvisable to set an on startup cron job to update/upgrade?
[20:17] <carnophage2> I don't see any reason not to do it, but I wanted to consult my ubuntu higher powers.
[20:17] <oerheks> no, it is an option in the update settings
[20:17] <oerheks> also  unattended updates
[20:17] <carnophage2> where is this available?
[20:18] <carnophage2> software updates?
[20:18] <oerheks> and  for server, install unattended-upgrades
[20:18] <oerheks> yes, the gui
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[20:20] <carnophage2> Thank you, I see that this is more or less enabled.  Good for me!  Thank you so much.
[20:20] <oerheks> have fun!
[20:23] <leftyfb> carnophage2: also look into apticron for notifications of updates
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[23:12] <arraybolt3[m]> Hey Bash wizards. Does anyone know how to download three separate files, concatenating them together, and pass them down a pipeline properly in one command? I'm trying to download three files at once, concatenate them, decompress them, and flash the result with wget -O - url1 url2 url3 | zcat | dd of=/dev/sda bs=4M. It starts correctly but then gives a broken pipe error.
[23:13] <arraybolt3[m]> (Each file is a release binary from a GitHub repo.)
[23:16] <sarnold> arraybolt3[m]: this is the grossest thought I've had all week.. cat <(curl -s url1) <(curl -s url2) <(curl -s url3) | ... see if that does the trick
[23:17] <arraybolt3[m]> If only Curl could pull the urls at all 🤣
[23:17] <arraybolt3[m]> For some reason Curl can't do it. Maybe wget could?
[23:18] <sarnold> hah
[23:18] <sarnold> I figured curl because its default of dumping to stdout really annoys me, but here it kinda fits..
[23:22] <arraybolt3[m]> sarnold: I tried replacing your curl lines with wget -O - to see if it works, it looks hopeful.
[23:25] <sarnold> arraybolt3[m]: yay :) i wonder why wget works when curl doesn't; are they blocking by useragent string?
[23:26] <arraybolt3[m]> No, the GitHub URL redirects to a different URL which redirects to another different URL I think.
[23:26] <arraybolt3[m]> curl can't handle the redirects, but wget apparently can.
[23:27] <sarnold> oh weird
[23:47] <lhx> So... how do I upgrade from 21.10 to 22.04? It's saying the impish repos are all gone and I can't do a `do-release-upgrade`
[23:47] <lhx> can't install anything either
[23:49] <Bashing-om> !eol | lhx
[23:49] <ubottu> lhx: End-Of-Life is when security updates and support for an Ubuntu release stop. Make sure to update Ubuntu before it goes EOL so you get updates promptly for newly-discovered security vulnerabilities. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOL and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases for more info. Looking to upgrade from an EOL release? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades
[23:51] <lhx> yeah, I just saw I need to manually edit sources.list
[23:51] <lhx> thanks
[23:54] <kronos003> I'm thinking about making the jump to ubuntu from fedora on my personal worksation. I've been reading a lot on reddit about the ubuntu user experience. Is there anybody here who has made the jump from fedoraand would be willing to share their experience so far?