[05:35] <didrocks> good morning
[07:09] <duflu> Morning didrocks 
[07:18] <didrocks> hey duflu 
[07:29] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[07:30] <duflu> Hi oSoMoN 
[07:31] <oSoMoN> hey duflu 
[07:51] <lissyx> one thing I have never understood is why the update applied popup randomly gets disabled, is given focus?
[07:52] <lissyx> it's not uncommon I endup hitting "restart now" because I'm writing something, the popup shows, has focus, and unfortunately while typing I'm not looking at the screen and hit "space" that validates the button ...
[07:53] <lissyx> err, not "disabled" but "displayed"
[07:54] <duflu> lissyx, is that a window or a shell notification?
[07:54] <lissyx> I guess it's a window
[07:54] <lissyx> but it has been like that for years ...
[07:54] <lissyx> cost me a few unexpected reboots while working ...
[07:55] <duflu> Either way it should have focus stealing prevention. Although I know that's a feature that simply doesn't work for some people like me. Maybe I type too slow
[07:55] <duflu> In theory if you're typing fast enough then new windows should not get focus
[07:56] <lissyx> making that dependant on the speed sounds ... weird
[07:57] <duflu> It's a necessary evil. If the user is typing then new windows should not steal focus. If the user is not typing then new windows should steal focus. Where's the line between the two? Just a time threshold AFAIK
[07:58] <lissyx> I disagree, stealing focus is never a good ide
[07:58] <duflu> I guess you should be able to configure that. 
[07:58] <lissyx> I have only ever got that problem with the update notifications
[07:59] <lissyx> which made me wonder whether there is some special beahvior related to it
[07:59] <duflu> But for general usability we would get a lot of complaints from users if we allowed new windows to open behind other windows, or without focus when the desktop is idle
[07:59] <lissyx> duflu, I was obviously not idle and typing
[07:59] <lissyx> I might not typ fast, but I was clearly in the middle of several words
[08:00] <duflu> Yeah I believe the feature exists but I am usually not typing fast enough for it to work
[08:01] <lissyx> and even if the window would steal focus, giving focus to buttons that can reboot the computer sounds ... risky
[08:02] <lissyx> I am not joking when I said it happened to me several times that, due to this behavior, I rebooted in the middle of my work
[08:02] <duflu> On an idle desktop it makes a lot of sense so yes it's a tricky problem
[08:03] <duflu> I have the same problem with half loaded web pages. You think you're clicking on one thing but it has moved by the time the click has registered, and you may have now clicked on the wrong button
[08:04] <lissyx> that sounds very different
[08:04] <duflu> It's a similar human interface design timing problem
[08:05] <lissyx> update-notification popping, stealing focus, assigning a reboot button the current focus, is: disrupting my work, increasing my mental load, and making me risking loosing what I am doing right now
[08:06] <lissyx> half-loaded web page is half-loaded, I'm not surprised a click would be delivered to the wrong target
[08:06] <duflu> I guess for that one always-on-top-but-never-take-focus would make sense. I don't know if that's an option toolkits can ask for
[09:17] <seb128> goood morning desktopers, seems like I forgot about that IRC thing this morning ;)
[09:17] <oSoMoN> salut seb128 :)
[09:18] <seb128> lut oSoMoN 
[09:20] <duflu> Hi seb128 :)
[09:24] <seb128> hey duflu 
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[11:53] <jbicha> good morning
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