| bittin | hey | 14:33 |
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| bittin | backports meeting today? | 14:35 |
| ddstreet | bittin yep, in ~30 min | 14:44 |
| bittin | alright hanging around a bit to see what you say | 14:45 |
| ddstreet | sorry i meant in ~15 min...at the top of the hour | 14:47 |
| bittin | roger | 14:47 |
| ddstreet | o/ | 15:00 |
| bittin | \o | 15:00 |
| ddstreet | mapreri teward around? | 15:01 |
| mapreri | yep! | 15:01 |
| teward | *burps* | 15:01 |
| teward | *sips caffeine* | 15:01 |
| mapreri | hello hello | 15:01 |
| teward | *leaves a flashbang in the room for reasons* | 15:01 |
| ddstreet | awesome! let's start :) | 15:01 |
| ddstreet | #startmeeting Ubuntu Backporters Team | 15:02 |
| meetingology | Meeting started at 15:02:04 UTC. The chair is ddstreet. Information about MeetBot at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | 15:02 |
| meetingology | Available commands: action, commands, idea, info, link, nick | 15:02 |
| ddstreet | #topic previous action items | 15:02 |
| ddstreet | i'm carrying over most of my items...i was out on vac last 2 weeks | 15:02 |
| ddstreet | #action ddstreet update tooling, requestbackport, backportpackage (carried over) | 15:03 |
| meetingology | ACTION: ddstreet update tooling, requestbackport, backportpackage (carried over) | 15:03 |
| ddstreet | #action ddstreet get DEB_VENDOR=ubuntu dch --bpo to DTRT pls (carried over) | 15:03 |
| meetingology | ACTION: ddstreet get DEB_VENDOR=ubuntu dch --bpo to DTRT pls (carried over) | 15:03 |
| ddstreet | #action ddstreet look at reviewer tooling such as 'queue' or other tools for reviewing/accepting/rejecting uploads, and closing the corresponding bugs (carried over) | 15:03 |
| meetingology | ACTION: ddstreet look at reviewer tooling such as 'queue' or other tools for reviewing/accepting/rejecting uploads, and closing the corresponding bugs (carried over) | 15:03 |
| ddstreet | #subtopic ddstreet send ML reply to continue thread re: clarification on specific wording for no-bug-required backport exceptions | 15:03 |
| ddstreet | i think i did send a reply for this, but i probably need to again | 15:03 |
| mapreri | did you? | 15:04 |
| ddstreet | #action ddstreet send ML reply to continue thread re: clarification on specific wording for no-bug-required backport exceptions | 15:04 |
| meetingology | ACTION: ddstreet send ML reply to continue thread re: clarification on specific wording for no-bug-required backport exceptions | 15:04 |
| mapreri | obviously wrong season for emails | 15:04 |
| ddstreet | honestly i forget :) | 15:04 |
| mapreri | as if there is a good season | 15:04 |
| teward | itnever hurts to send out a second email in case you didn't send the first | 15:04 |
| ddstreet | yep | 15:04 |
| ddstreet | #subtopic ddstreet rework charter and internal policies documentation, have drafts for next mtg | 15:05 |
| ddstreet | ok, for this one, i did rework the charter wiki page | 15:05 |
| ddstreet | i did not have time to update the policies page yet though | 15:05 |
| ddstreet | i have time to do that today though, so i'll just send a ML email once they are both ready to review | 15:06 |
| ddstreet | unless either of you want to discuss the updated charter wiki page now? | 15:06 |
| mapreri | nope | 15:06 |
| ddstreet | awesome | 15:06 |
| mapreri | I haven't looked at whatever you've done, tbh | 15:07 |
| ddstreet | #action ddstreet finish updating charter/policies, send email to ML to request team review | 15:07 |
| meetingology | ACTION: ddstreet finish updating charter/policies, send email to ML to request team review | 15:07 |
| mapreri | and I won't be able for a while more… | 15:07 |
| ddstreet | yep that's totally fine | 15:07 |
| ddstreet | i think we are currently ok handling our team mission, uploads are getting reviewed, etc | 15:07 |
| ddstreet | but i think good to finish up the charter/policies eventually | 15:07 |
| ddstreet | ok on to your items | 15:08 |
| mapreri | well, we don't have much uploads flowing around, so it's hard to actually judge it ^^ | 15:08 |
| ddstreet | yeah it's relatively small number | 15:08 |
| ddstreet | but at least for now, i dont think any upload is getting stuck for 'too long'...couple weeks at most | 15:08 |
| ddstreet | #subtopic mapreri upload (more of) all the tools (carried over, in progress) | 15:09 |
| mapreri | it's coming along, not quickly, but it's happening | 15:09 |
| ddstreet | ack | 15:09 |
| ddstreet | #action mapreri upload (more of) all the tools (carried over, in progress) | 15:09 |
| meetingology | ACTION: mapreri upload (more of) all the tools (carried over, in progress) | 15:09 |
| ddstreet | #subtopic mapreri fix lintian to not complain about ~bpo suffix (https://bugs.debian.org/1001399) (carried over) | 15:09 |
| ubottu | Debian bug 1001399 in lintian "lintian: adjust backports-upload-has-incorrect-version-number for ubuntu" [Normal, Open] | 15:09 |
| mapreri | I've pinged the new maintainer, it seems they have other priorities atm, but I'm much more optimistic than last year :3 after all the new maintainer came around less than 2 months ago i think | 15:10 |
| mapreri | I reckon they'll fix it once they stumble upon that one set of changelog checks | 15:10 |
| ddstreet | that's good news :) | 15:11 |
| ddstreet | we should still carry over until it's done right? | 15:11 |
| mapreri | yes please | 15:11 |
| ddstreet | #action mapreri fix lintian to not complain about ~bpo suffix (https://bugs.debian.org/1001399) (carried over) | 15:11 |
| meetingology | ACTION: mapreri fix lintian to not complain about ~bpo suffix (https://bugs.debian.org/1001399) (carried over) | 15:11 |
| ubottu | Debian bug 1001399 in lintian "lintian: adjust backports-upload-has-incorrect-version-number for ubuntu" [Normal, Open] | 15:11 |
| mapreri | else it'll be forgotten | 15:11 |
| ddstreet | #subtopic mapreri review wiki page to see how we can highlight that backport requestors need to do the backport work and find a sponsor | 15:12 |
| mapreri | carry over pls | 15:12 |
| ddstreet | #action mapreri review wiki page to see how we can highlight that backport requestors need to do the backport work and find a sponsor | 15:12 |
| meetingology | ACTION: mapreri review wiki page to see how we can highlight that backport requestors need to do the backport work and find a sponsor | 15:12 |
| ddstreet | #subtopic mapreri start thread on ML about how to use bug status to define meaing in process | 15:12 |
| mapreri | ditto | 15:12 |
| ddstreet | #action mapreri start thread on ML about how to use bug status to define meaing in process | 15:12 |
| meetingology | ACTION: mapreri start thread on ML about how to use bug status to define meaing in process | 15:12 |
| * mapreri loves these meetings, but it's a constant reminder of failure to keep up, so ugly :( | 15:13 | |
| ddstreet | #subtopic discuss charter/policies drafts | 15:13 |
| ddstreet | i think we can drop this, falls under my action to email the ML | 15:13 |
| ddstreet | ok that's all the previous actions | 15:13 |
| teward | just an FYI with lintian, i believe Debian/upstream is looking for maintainers as well | 15:13 |
| teward | so it's in that odd 'not really updated' state there :P | 15:14 |
| mapreri | well, it *has* a new maintainer since ~2 months | 15:14 |
| teward | oh it does? I missed emails then | 15:14 |
| mapreri | for sure he would love more helping hands however :P | 15:14 |
| mapreri | yes, Axel Beckert | 15:14 |
| teward | *puts mapreri on that* (but i digres) | 15:14 |
| teward | digress* | 15:14 |
| bittin | https://lists.debian.org/debian-qa/2022/07/msg00001.html ? | 15:14 |
| mapreri | bittin: nope, that's about the website (well, the thing that runs lintian continuously on all uploaded packages), which is a separate thing from the lintian program itself. | 15:15 |
| teward | that's related but i can find the specific item in my inbox (> 400 emails a week) | 15:15 |
| mapreri | although it was… normally maintained by the same time, it fell into a sorry state last year | 15:15 |
| teward | but i digress, that's outside the backporters purview just wanted to make a note but then i was updated :) | 15:16 |
| bittin | mapreri, alright sorry | 15:16 |
| mapreri | bittin: here is the "adoption" mail: https://bugs.debian.org/1012289#22 | 15:16 |
| ubottu | Debian bug 1012289 in wnpp "RFH: lintian -- Debian package checker" [Normal, Open] | 15:16 |
| bittin | ah | 15:16 |
| mapreri | right | 15:17 |
| mapreri | ddstreet: I think you can continue with the agenda :3 | 15:17 |
| teward | yep | 15:17 |
| ddstreet | #topic open ML threads | 15:17 |
| ddstreet | #subtopic clarification on specific wording for no-bug-required backport exceptions | 15:18 |
| ddstreet | i think this is covered by my action item to reply | 15:18 |
| ddstreet | i'll leave it in the open ml threads section tho, as it is still an open topic | 15:18 |
| ddstreet | #action clarification on specific wording for no-bug-required backport exceptions | 15:19 |
| meetingology | ACTION: clarification on specific wording for no-bug-required backport exceptions | 15:19 |
| ddstreet | #subtopic TB ML thread for charter | 15:19 |
| ddstreet | let's drop this, as i'll start a new thread to review the updated pages | 15:19 |
| ddstreet | any other ML threads we should discuss? | 15:19 |
| ddstreet | ok let's move on | 15:20 |
| ddstreet | #topic open bugs | 15:20 |
| mapreri | sure | 15:20 |
| mapreri | here | 15:20 |
| mapreri | 1. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dh-python/+bug/1983414 | 15:20 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1983414 in dh-python (Ubuntu) "[BPO] dh-python 5.20220403 to focal" [Undecided, New] | 15:20 |
| mapreri | do you see any potential problem with dh-python? IME it's very much backward-friendly, so I'm +1, but I'd check with you | 15:20 |
| mapreri | the new version needed for supporting pyproject is quite a relevant feature (maybe not right now, but soon it will be clear) | 15:21 |
| ddstreet | i haven't looked closely at this, but my understanding is dh-python is essentially only a metapkg that basically specifies what the default minor version of py is | 15:21 |
| mapreri | nope | 15:21 |
| mapreri | it ships pybuild (debhelper buildsystem) and dh_python3 (debhelper addon) | 15:22 |
| bittin | "dh-python: Debian helper tools for packaging Python libraries and applications" | 15:22 |
| ddstreet | ah pybuild | 15:22 |
| mapreri | that's why I say a closer look might be warranted. but my knowledge of the tool is that it should be quite safe. | 15:23 |
| ddstreet | yeah i assume it will retain backwards compatibility for building so *should* be safe | 15:23 |
| ddstreet | but i agree the changes should have a closer look to be sure | 15:23 |
| mapreri | so that's it, I'm just dropping the ball here! | 15:24 |
| mapreri | 2. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/focal/+source/ipmctl/+bug/1968076 | 15:24 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1968076 in ipmctl (Ubuntu Focal) "[BPO] ipmctl with support for CPS hardware" [Undecided, New] | 15:24 |
| mapreri | … kilobyte can't find a sponsor, apparently? | 15:24 |
| mapreri | should we just close our eyes (for now, at least?) | 15:24 |
| ddstreet | i hate to do that, but i dont think we would be able to keep up with sponsoring backport requests | 15:25 |
| ddstreet | at least with our current team | 15:25 |
| ddstreet | i mean i think it's fine for us to volunteer to sponsor stuff if we want to | 15:26 |
| bittin | https://www.pcworld.com/article/821256/intel-kills-optane-memory.html but i guess people have still bought Optane memory keept :D | 15:26 |
| mapreri | yeah, I also don't really want to give the impression that we are happy to sponsor things, so I'm afraid of setting "a precedent" (such a grave word in this context!) | 15:26 |
| ddstreet | but i dont think we should feel responsible for sponsoring, no? | 15:26 |
| teward | no that's not our job | 15:26 |
| mapreri | ddstreet: we should not, indeed. | 15:26 |
| teward | mapreri: i did tell him that he can ask me to help him sponsor | 15:27 |
| teward | i owe kilobyte a few hundred favors for signing my DM application :P | 15:27 |
| teward | independently from backporters | 15:27 |
| mapreri | teward: well, he also subscribed ~ubuntu-sponros! | 15:27 |
| teward | ye well sponsors are not aware of the new process entirely | 15:27 |
| teward | but meh | 15:27 |
| bittin | ~ubuntu-sponsors* | 15:27 |
| teward | in the case of that package do we have a problem with the backport? | 15:27 |
| teward | assuming i sponsor him as -sponsors not -backporters | 15:28 |
| teward | (because i'm happy to let you all handle the actual review) | 15:28 |
| ddstreet | i'm not sure how effective the ubuntu-sponsors team is these days, but that probably is the best option, currently | 15:28 |
| mapreri | teward: I haven't looked at it myself, but seeing how you NACKed one upload, I figured you'd be on top of it, more or less. | 15:28 |
| teward | check this is likely buried | 15:28 |
| teward | it was NACK'd because he targeted an Unstable version instead of Ubuntu bpo policy so | 15:28 |
| teward | i'll reivew that one, put me on it | 15:29 |
| mapreri | but we should also figure a point after which we drop ~ubuntu-backports saying "re-subscribe when it's uploaded", since it's not our responsibility. | 15:29 |
| teward | mapreri: my 2 cents is,the moment that it has no uploads and we see that, we should drop backporters | 15:29 |
| teward | IMO | 15:29 |
| teward | (but i'm much more harsh heh) | 15:30 |
| ddstreet | teward ok it's yours - i dont think we have a specific way to indicate a reviewer though unless you want to take the 'assigned to' field | 15:30 |
| ddstreet | mapreri yep agreed - i think that should fall into the 'bug status defining process meaning' discussion? | 15:31 |
| mapreri | ack | 15:31 |
| mapreri | so, I think this bug is "taken care of", for what the meeting is concerned | 15:31 |
| ddstreet | there is https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/jammy/+source/limnoria/+bug/1983415 | 15:32 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1983415 in limnoria (Ubuntu Jammy) "[BPO] limnoria 2022.6.23-1 to jammy" [Undecided, New] | 15:32 |
| ddstreet | i have not looked at it yet | 15:32 |
| mapreri | that one's ok | 15:32 |
| ddstreet | that's all the bugs then | 15:32 |
| mapreri | (in the sense, it's trivial doesn't need team-wide discussion) | 15:32 |
| mapreri | (and I'm a maintainer of that, so I'm biased :>) | 15:32 |
| ddstreet | #topic AOB | 15:33 |
| ddstreet | any other stuff to discuss? | 15:33 |
| mapreri | FYI: I'll be totally afk (camping without reception) for 2 weeks starting saturday | 15:33 |
| ddstreet | nice, have fun! i haven't been camping in a long time | 15:34 |
| mapreri | also FYI: I'm now core-dev, if you missed it! | 15:34 |
| mapreri | BUT | 15:34 |
| ddstreet | AH congrats!!!! that's awesome! | 15:34 |
| mapreri | teward: you haven't added me to ~core-dev and whatever else is needed to reflect my new status! :> | 15:34 |
| teward | ye i've been exceptionally busy | 15:34 |
| teward | ERR:SWAMPED | 15:34 |
| ddstreet | ok if there's nothing else, let's wrap up? | 15:35 |
| mapreri | teward: I recommend taking a completely afk vacation of at least 1 week (like I'm doing). that's going to unload your mind completely, and no matter the size of your todo list, it won't feel much :P | 15:35 |
| bittin | next meeting time etc? | 15:35 |
| ddstreet | bittin ah right | 15:36 |
| mapreri | sep 7th? | 15:36 |
| ddstreet | #topic administrative items | 15:36 |
| mapreri | or the 31st? | 15:36 |
| ddstreet | #subtopic schedule next mtg | 15:36 |
| bittin | Aug 31? as September does only have 30 days | 15:36 |
| ddstreet | i can do either | 15:36 |
| bittin | Aug 31 works best for me | 15:37 |
| ddstreet | aug 31 is 4 weeks, so our 'standard' interval | 15:37 |
| mapreri | same, both days currently are very good | 15:37 |
| ddstreet | ok let's do aug 31 | 15:37 |
| mapreri | same time? | 15:37 |
| bittin | works | 15:37 |
| ddstreet | same time, 15:00 UTC? | 15:37 |
| mapreri | sure | 15:37 |
| ddstreet | #action ddstreet sched next meeting for aug 31 15:00 UTC | 15:38 |
| meetingology | ACTION: ddstreet sched next meeting for aug 31 15:00 UTC | 15:38 |
| ddstreet | i'll update the agenda page | 15:38 |
| ddstreet | anything else? | 15:38 |
| bittin | not from me | 15:38 |
| bittin | anyone else? | 15:38 |
| mapreri | none from me | 15:39 |
| ddstreet | ok let's wrap! | 15:39 |
| ddstreet | #endmeeting | 15:39 |
| meetingology | Meeting ended at 15:39:16 UTC. Minutes at https://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2022/ubuntu-meeting.2022-08-03-15.02.moin.txt | 15:39 |
| ddstreet | thanks all! | 15:39 |
| mapreri | o/ | 15:39 |
| bittin | thx o/ | 15:39 |
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