[06:52] <knightwise> morning everyone
[07:02] <zxmpi_> o/
[07:28] <knightwise> hey zxmpi_ 
[07:28] <knightwise> hows you doin  man
[07:32] <zxmpi_> currently looking at a new desktop to replace my ailing laptop. it has reached the end of it's life. getting wonkier every day
[07:32] <knightwise> what are you lookin at ? gaming machine ? 
[07:33] <zxmpi_> nah a refurb corporate desktop. 8gb ram which will be more than i've ever had before :-)
[07:33] <knightwise> ok ... should not be too hard to find
[07:34] <knightwise> even those older I5s still pack a nice punch depending
[07:34] <knightwise> or maybe a second hand imac. Even those of with +5 years on the clock still work well
[07:34] <zxmpi_> considering how low power the laptop is a rasp pi 4 8gb would have more power. but you can't get them for love or money. was my first intention last year.
[07:35] <knightwise> I was also thinking of a pi 400 or something
[07:35] <knightwise> i'm looking to go "low power" this autumn when it comes down to my servers
[07:36] <zxmpi_> the pi 400 is only 4gb. i did get 2 of the rasp pi keyboards which the pi is inside. 1 broke. the other is going fine but i wouldn't buy a 400 based on my experience with the keyboard
[07:37] <zxmpi_> i'd prefer to get a pi 4 8gb, put it in a decent case with a fan and an ssd and hang it off back off a monitor
[07:37] <knightwise> good to know. I'm better of getting a pi 4 then
[07:41] <knightwise> thinking of getting onw with Windows just to try it out
[07:42] <knightwise> I stuffed my old PI3 in my desk at work, put tailscale on it and can now access it from anywhere
[07:44] <zxmpi> and back...
[07:44] <knightwise> no worries dude
[07:48] <knightwise> Have you played with Umbrel yet ? 
[07:49] <zxmpi> nah, i just use local drives and sync them sporadically
[07:50] <zxmpi> i do occasionly think of adding some storage to my pi and use that as a server but never got around to it
[07:51] <zxmpi> 1tb per system seems to do well enough most of the time
[07:53]  * zxmpi transfers zork to my dumb nokia :-)
[07:59] <knightwise> man :) I wish i had a dumbphone :) 
[07:59] <zxmpi> can be picked up for 50 shekels
[08:00] <zxmpi> battery life measured in days rather than minutes. you're never short of a hammer when you need one :-P
[08:00] <zxmpi> and distraction free for a myriad of notifications
[08:00] <knightwise> yes
[08:00] <knightwise> i've dumbed down my phone as much as I could
[08:01] <zxmpi> i do have android. but the dumb phone is my main phone. android is for podcasts and playing movies, tv shows on 256gb memory card
[08:02] <knightwise> I love your high tech - low budget lifestlye
[08:02] <zxmpi> the nokia only has 32gb so only emergency backup, blackadder, porridge and yes minister on that :-)
[08:02] <knightwise> haha what nokia is it ? 
[08:03] <zxmpi> nokia 3310 2017 edition. grand phone but battery is showing it's age after 5 years heavy use. battery gauge now drops 10% by end of every 2nd day
[08:04] <knightwise> love that phone
[08:04] <zxmpi> i use it for taking notes, ereader, games, fm radio, torch, alarms and a myriad of other tasks
[08:09] <knightwise> notes on a T9 keyboard ? 
[08:09] <zxmpi> you get used to it. works well enough
[08:12] <knightwise> Hardcore :) 
[08:12] <zxmpi> no no, hardcore was when i installed a morse keyboard on android and started learning morse. haven't gotten far with it yet but will get back to it at some point :-)
[08:13] <waveform> a dumbphone is a very tempting notion, but at this point google calendar pretty much runs my life (which should probably depress me more than it actually does :)
[08:14] <zxmpi> i got the dumb phone to get away from living in the cloud. i keep as much of my data local
[08:15] <knightwise> i'm also going in that direction. More self hosted stuff if I can help it
[08:16] <zxmpi> even if you only use the dumbphone for calls it's worth it for the convenience of having a small phone in your hand rather than the monster phones of today
[08:16] <zxmpi> and battery life
[08:16] <zxmpi> and physical buttons
[08:16] <zxmpi> and a few mindless java games
[08:17] <zxmpi> the ereader might take getting used to but you can have an ereader that you never have to worry about using the battery on
[08:17] <zxmpi> same for the fm radio. some of the android phones would eat 10% of the battery for 1 hour of radio listening
[08:18] <zxmpi> i have accidently on purpose left fm radio going for a week on a dumb phone to see if battery would last
[08:24] <knightwise> ha :) i probably did i suppose
[08:43] <zxmpi> i wonder would there be a way for google calendar to sms your days schedule to a dumb nokia :-)
[09:00] <knightwise> that would be cool
[11:52]  * waveform could probably rig up something like that ... hmmm ...
[11:54] <waveform> and the whole "it's not monster sized" is very tempting -- my current (rather long in the tooth) one is a lovely little sony xperia compact, and I've not seen anything in a similarly sensible size since
[12:03] <zxmpi> https://www.unihertz.com/products/jelly-2 it's tiny :-)
[12:04] <daftykins> nasty
[14:34] <davef> Right you lot, have tea and jaffa cakes on standby. I land in 1 week.