[02:40] <DynamiteDan> so far the self compiled amule is holding
[02:42] <oerheks> :-)
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[04:13] <Guest21> Hi I'm installing ubuntu, on efi system, when doing custom partitioning, do I need to create the efi partition too?
[04:16] <Guest21> I'm not dual booting
[04:17] <eMaks> yes you would need efi partition
[04:19] <Guest21> ok
[04:19] <Guest21> How big should / be for a normal desktop system
[04:19] <Guest21> 64GB enough or would I need more?
[04:19] <Guest21> Mostly just desktop apps, IDEs, dev env. etc.
[04:20] <Guest21> In fact, I think no. I want to probably use containers for dev env. instead of keep them on my system in case something goes wrong
[04:21] <KushalKumaran[m]> Guest21: you might need more, depending on what development you are planning. Use LVM (and leave space unallocated) so you're able to change later
[04:21] <Guest21> what is lvm
[04:22] <Guest21> and can you do lvm while installing as custom parittions?
[04:22] <Guest21> I see option to install with lvm but in guided partition only
[04:23] <Guest21> Right now my currently installed ubuntu 22 disk, fully desktop apps and all that, seems like 28gb used, I'll make it 64
[04:23] <Guest21> If I make / bigger, like 128 or something and it doesn't get used, that space goes to waste.
[04:24] <Guest21> So I'm trying to think hard on how much I might use in my normal daily use, how large my / has been for past few years etc.
[04:24] <Guest21> If I do custom using btrfs, I don't see the lvm option
[04:24] <KushalKumaran[m]> Been a while since I did a new Ubuntu install. But I believe the installer configures LVM by default. Info on LVM is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lvm
[04:26] <KushalKumaran[m]> Docs on installing with lvm (although for Ubuntu server) : https://ubuntu.com/server/docs/install/storage
[04:26] <Guest21> I think btrfs like zfs uses its own volume management
[04:26] <Guest21> Probably not going to be compatible with it
[04:27] <Guest21> https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/254286/does-it-make-sense-to-put-btrfs-on-lvm
[04:28] <KushalKumaran[m]> Perhaps someone else can speak about btrfs. What little I know seems to indicate you won't need lvm if you're using btrfs. If it allows shrink/grow of file systems, you can choose whatever size you feel you need. You can just resize later.
[04:28] <Guest21> https://fedoramagazine.org/choose-between-btrfs-and-lvm-ext4/
[04:29] <Guest21> hmm
[04:29] <Guest21> I'm trying to understand all this stuff!
[04:30] <Guest21> Interesting
[04:30] <Guest21> So LVM is like collections of disks > partitions > volume group > logical volume > file systems
[04:32] <Guest21> Logical volumes can also be cached volumes for systems with both fast and slow drives. A classic example is a combination of SSD and spinning-disk drives. Cached volumes use faster drives for more frequently accessed data (or as a write cache), and the slower drive for bulk data.
[04:33] <Guest21> So I can turn part of my nvme ssd, 1289gb or so, into a cache volume for my mechanical hdds?
[04:33] <Guest21> Just one or many hdds can share one cache volume
[04:33] <Guest21> This is interesting
[04:39] <Guest21> https://i.imgur.com/l61pKMt.png
[04:40] <Guest21> It always leaves 1MB free space at beginning
[04:41] <murmel> Guest21: any reason having 2 partitions with btrfs?
[04:41] <Guest21> Yes
[04:41] <Guest21> In case I need to reinstall or something, I can do it without touching/affecting /home
[04:41] <Guest21> don't want to put /home inside / on the same partition
[04:42] <murmel> Guest21: you normally set up subvolumes for that, can still keep home around then
[04:43] <Guest21> I'm going by whatever is in the ubuntu installer
[04:43] <murmel> okay, just telling you how btrfs is normally used
[04:43] <Guest21> Where in the Ubuntu installer can I make subvolumes?
[04:44] <murmel> Guest21: the ubuntu installer doesn't support it
[04:44] <Guest21> Then why tell me about it?
[04:44] <murmel> Guest21: why would i not tell you how to use <tech> properly
[04:45] <Guest21> I've seen you troll and argue with other people online. Please don't do that with me.
[04:45] <murmel> Guest21: do whatever you want, just wanted to tell you to use btrfs in a better way.
[04:46] <murmel> and you are definitely not talking about me when talking about trolling, but I guess I move on
[05:26] <Vrgudo> Hello
[05:26] <Vrgudo> is this the official Nooobuntu channel?
[05:27] <oerheks> No.
[05:27] <oerheks> If there is any, search with !alis
[05:27] <oerheks> !alis
[05:27] <ubottu> Alis is an IRC service to help you find channels. For help on using it, see «/msg Alis help list» or ask in #libera - Example usage: «/msg Alis list http»
[05:27] <Vrgudo> ok
[05:27] <Vrgudo> thank you
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[06:02] <peepsalot> i am getting an error from "apt update", is there anything I can do to resolve it?  http://ddebs.ubuntu.com focal-updates/main amd64 Packages
[06:02] <peepsalot>   File has unexpected size (480536 != 480068). Mirror sync in progress?
[06:03] <peepsalot> i've waited and retried (at least an hour i think since I first saw it) but still get the same error.
[06:06] <Guest21> Interesting
[06:06] <Guest21> It seems if you install ubuntu 22 with btrfs as / (single partition) it creates two volume groups
[06:07] <Guest21> @ and @home
[06:08] <Guest21> kubuntu@kubuntu:~/1$ sudo btrfs subvolume list .
[06:08] <Guest21> ID 256 gen 24 top level 5 path @
[06:08] <Guest21> ID 257 gen 17 top level 5 path @home
[06:08] <Guest21> I am still inside the installer, haven't rebooted after installing.
[06:08] <Guest21> Why does it say id 5 for them both, 5 is reserved for top level / isn't it?
[06:09] <Guest21> IDs are diff though, 256/257
[06:09] <murmel> ids are the important ones
[06:09] <Guest21> Looks like Ubuntu install does it. I thought I might have to mount it, move home to home1, create subvolume, and then move home back to it, etc.
[06:10] <Guest21> I don't think this is documented as I couldn't find it in any ubuntu installation guide
[06:11] <Guest21> sorry not volume groups, subvolumes
[06:11] <Guest21> I read all about it, seems like pretty cool features. Though I'm not sure I'll be using them
[06:11] <Guest21> snapshots, timeshift, compression, cow, etc. etc.
[06:12] <murmel> what does snapshots have to do with subvolumes to use or not Oo
[06:12] <Guest21> I'm sure you can figure it out.
[06:12] <Guest21> I believe in you.
[06:13] <murmel> you have to figure it out, as snapshots only snapshot the subvolume you chose, not any below it
[06:14] <Guest21> https://btrfs.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/SysadminGuide#Subvolumes you can start here
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[09:35] <Guest9852> Hello. There is a package that was been removed from jammy (but is back in kinetic). People reported it missing, but it has no maintainers listed on launchpad and noone assigned. It looks like it was removed due to some compilation problems, which have been fixed in the meantime in Debian. But it remains removed from jammy for months.
[09:35] <Guest9852> How can I help get it back in? The package is called collectd. Launchpad bug report here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/collectd/+bug/1971093
[09:35] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1971093 in collectd (Ubuntu) "collectd missing in 22.04/jammy" [Undecided, Confirmed]
[09:40] <tomreyn> Guest9852: you could make or request a !backport of kinetic's version to jammy, or build your own on a !ppa.
[10:14] <webchat1> Hey all,
[10:14] <webchat1> About two days ago I asked whether Ubuntu desktop version 22.04.01 LTS would be released.
[10:14] <webchat1> I was told "check tomorrow".
[10:14] <webchat1> I checked now but still version "Ubuntu 22.04 LTS" appears on the website.
[10:14] <webchat1> Obviously not complaining or anything, just want to know whether there is a delay or something?
[10:16] <ogra> webchat1, https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/ubuntu-22-04-1-delayed-until-august-11/29859
[10:27] <webchat1> ogra thank you!
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[12:16] <aiena> is using the "shutdown" command to shutdown ubuntu bad.
[12:16] <murmel> no
[12:17] <aiena> this is a server with a GUI.
[12:17] <aiena> which i ssh into
[12:17] <aiena> the gui is just to operate it comfy physicallu.
[12:19] <aiena> murmel, does pressing the shutdown button in the gui do something different for one it doesn't need root
[12:19] <murmel> not really. in gui. you are allowed to do it (through polkit) while in cli you need to verify that you have the rights to do it
[12:23] <aiena> ok
[12:23] <aiena> thanks
[12:41] <Guest92> hey
[12:41] <Guest92> I have nitro 515 something
[12:41] <Guest92> with nvidia 1650
[12:41] <Guest92> does windows 11 come with gpu passthrought
[12:41] <Guest92> on virtualbox
[12:42] <Guest92> I want to run some game from 2004
[12:42] <Guest92> without graphics issues
[12:42] <Guest92> ryzen 5
[12:42] <Guest92> gtx
[12:44] <murmel> Guest92: hit enter less often, and try to explain better what you want to do
[12:49] <Guest92> wait, what part You could not read
[12:49] <Guest92> let me evaluate Your computer knowledge iq
[13:08] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[13:12] <bittin> hi
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[14:01] <pepee> hi. how do I ask ubuntu devs to backport a patch to enable control of fans and other stuff in certain laptops?
[14:02] <pepee> I got an OMEN laptop and my system doesn't support fan control. kernel support was added a few months ago: https://www.phoronix.com/news/Linux-5.18-HP-Omen-Thermal  https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/pdx86/platform-drivers-x86.git/commit/?h=for-next&id=4c51ba9af42dff0ef6a2ca3edcefa76f3466959e
[14:02] <ubottu> Commit 4c51ba9 in kernel/git/pdx86/platform-drivers-x86.git "platform/x86: hp-wmi: add support for omen laptops"
[14:03] <solsTiCe> hi. isn't there something broken about python23-distupgrade and ubuntu-release-upgrader-* ? they can't be updated.
[14:04] <Jeremy31> pepee: file a bug report and show that upstream commit fixes it
[14:04] <pepee> Jeremy31: will do, thank you
[14:08] <solsTiCe> https://askubuntu.com/questions/1421222/update-upgrade-not-working/1421232#1421232
[14:14] <murmel> solsTiCe: those are phased updates
[14:14] <murmel> so you need to wait or upgrade those specific updates
[14:15] <solsTiCe> yes. just discovered that. that could be explained in apt full-upgrade output
[14:48] <evviva> spder
[15:02] <pepee> Jeremy31: done: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1983756
[15:02] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1983756 in linux (Ubuntu) "Please backport kernel patches to support thermal policy handling in OMEN laptops" [Undecided, New]
[15:11] <manwhowouldbekin> Greetings! Can anyone help me with suggestions on troubleshooting what seems to be a graphics issue on Ubuntu 22.04?
[15:12] <evviva> spider
[15:12] <murmel> manwhowouldbekin: if you would describe your issue, we could maybe help
[15:43] <manwhowouldbekin> murmel, The issue is that every now and then, whenever I bring the machine back up from suspension, the monitor stays black. It seems to get no signal from the video card. I have tried unplugging the HDMI and plugging it back in to no avail. The only way I can get it working is hard reboot. The last time it happened was this morning.
[15:44] <murmel> manwhowouldbekin: definitely look into the logs, as it only seems to happen once in a while (sudo journalctl -b -1) (for last boot)
[15:45] <murmel> sorry have to leave. hope somebody else can help you more
[15:51] <manwhowouldbekin> murmel, Thanks. Shouldn't I be looking at the previous boot, assuming that the problem occurred then? :/
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[16:31] <jhutchins> manwhowouldbekin: What happens if you sleep/hibernate and restore again?
[16:33] <xwallpaper> how much ram does ubuntu use with nothing running
[16:34] <jhutchins> xwallpaper: How much ram do you have?
[16:34] <xwallpaper> 16gb
[16:35] <jhutchins> https://www.linuxatemyram.com/
[16:35] <tomreyn> xwallpaper: that'll depend on ubuntu variant, architecture and which stage of the boot you're in, whether it's single or multi user. maybe define "nothing running" more closely.
[16:36] <xwallpaper> one user, 64bit intel, right after boot, pure ubuntu
[16:37] <xwallpaper> triskel kde 64bit intel uses 500 mb
[16:37] <tomreyn> ubuntu desktop then (gnome-shell)? after login?
[16:37] <Maik> between 980MB and 1.1GB, depending on which hardware it runs
[16:37] <xwallpaper> thats pretty good then
[16:45] <tomreyn> xwallpaper: 'free -m' on a VM with 2 GB RAM (Virtualbox, amd64 host + guest), UEFI booted 22.04 Desktop, right after login: https://termbin.com/pgu8
[16:46] <Hash> Where does kde wallet store all it's files? I started a new user account, copied over all the filed I needed, but I could't open the kdewallet, it didn't even show my name. I copied all the .config/ and .kde and .gnupg and everything I thought I needed. That didn't work, so I copied everything from old home to new home, and now kdewallet opens. I would like to find out exactly which files it uses,
[16:46] <Hash> so I can just copy those to a new account. I had to copy over every .dotfile from ~ to new home and then it worked. I want to start a new user account, copy my kdewallet there, which files does it use? Also, chrome browser doesn't open/work until kdewallet is opened, and I don't know why.
[16:46] <Hash> I would like to start anothe clean user account, but I need to know which kdewallet files are required so I can move the kdewallet to a new account.
[16:47] <Hash> Ubuntu got installed on NVME just fine, but problem with this little kde thing.
[16:47] <tomreyn> Hash: the best place for KDE/Kubuntu specific questions is usually #kubuntu
[16:47] <Hash> I mean other than ~/.local|.kde|.gnupg, etc.
[16:47] <Hash> Ok
[16:48] <xwallpaper> thats pretty good tomreyn
[16:48] <tomreyn> xwallpaper: why are you asking, though?
[16:48] <xwallpaper> just wondering
[16:57] <jhutchins> Hash: All that stuff is stored in the registry, you need Windows 10 to read it.
[17:04] <Hash> Never using bleachbit again.
[17:05] <Hash> I did, didn't tickmark the cookies, I wanted to preserve those, ran it, now all my cookies and site histories and all that is gone.
[17:05] <Hash> Sigh.
[17:05] <Hash> I have another backup of ~/ on a zfs mirror. Just don't know where the cookies live.
[17:11] <xx> Hash: restore cookies from backup
[17:12] <therealego> Hey everybody, can somebody help me get my display running at the right refresh rate? It worked fine at first and then a random reboot locked it to 77hz
[17:12] <therealego> I've tried every online solution I can think of but just get error codes
[17:14] <dartz> get a new monitor lol
[17:15] <Maik> !cookie | dartz
[17:15] <ubottu> dartz: Wow! You're such a great helper, you deserve a cookie!
[17:15] <tomreyn> therealego: "locked to 77 Hz" seems unlikely to me. what makes you say so?
[17:15] <tomreyn> therealego: and what are you running there
[17:16] <therealego> It's a built in laptop display you pleb
[17:16] <therealego> Locked to 77 hz, you read that correct
[17:16] <therealego> It's a 300hz display
[17:17] <dartz> what kinf of laptop do u own
[17:17] <therealego> @dartz HP Omen 15 with 10th get i7 and 2060
[17:17] <tomreyn> therealego: insulting volunteers won't get you far here.
[17:18] <therealego> @tomreyn and giving people who went through all the trouble to find this place in search of some tech support does?
[17:18] <therealego> I'm supposed to let people here give me unlimited shit and not serve it back?
[17:18] <therealego> He's clearly not as upset as you
[17:18] <therealego> Mind your business
[17:18] <dartz> then maybe the OS is corrupted, try and reinstall it and it could fix the problem
[17:19] <tomreyn> therealego: i
[17:19] <therealego> @dartz that's not really helpful.
[17:20] <dartz> (i dotn know much abt linux but you can see my contacting you from collabvm)
[17:20] <dartz> for now just look further for help
[17:20] <dartz> bye
[17:20] <therealego> @dartz bye
[17:20] <tomreyn> therealego: i'm sorry to hear it took you long to find this volunteer driven IRC support. this does not entitle you to insult folks here. we have !guidelines here, please kindly response them (see /topic)
[17:21] <therealego> @tomreyn I called him a pleb because he was being a sarcastic smart ass lmfao.
[17:21] <tomreyn> i'm sorry for the experience you made with dartz, though. we usually try to be helpful here.
[17:21] <tomreyn> therealego: oh then you mixed them up with me
[17:21] <therealego> @tomreyn then why are you getting on my case for defending myself rather than telling him to fuck off
[17:21] <therealego> ?
[17:21] <tomreyn> therealego: please mind your language
[17:22] <therealego> Are you for real
[17:22] <therealego> I can't say fuck
[17:22] <therealego> are there 10 year olds in here orrrrr
[17:22] <therealego> Did I offend your innocent ears?
[17:24] <sam__> Wow that was so hard to get back in here
[17:24] <sam__> You did a great job
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[17:25] <Guest8232> Why are you all so pretentious and stuck up, this isn't support, it's a place to give people who are clearly struggling a hard time
[17:25] <Guest8232> I'll leave when I'm good and fucking ready
[17:25] <Guest8232> Bitches
[17:25] <Guest8232> Get fucking rekt
[17:30] <Hash> What the hell happened?
[17:31] <Hash> dartz | get a new monitor lol <- stuff like this is probably unhelpful.
[17:31] <Hash> People come here with frustrations over problems they can't solve.
[17:31] <Hash> Adding to someone's frustration with useless jives is adding insult to injury
[17:31] <Hash> Yeah, he got upset/angry and you +b+q him, but perhaps a bit of compassion might have gone a long way.
[17:32] <Hash> You have no idea where a person's coming from or what kind of a minset they have or the issues they maybe dealing with. Do you honestly expect humans ot put aside human emotions when asking for tgech support?
[17:32] <tomreyn> Hash: if something regarding channel menagement needs discussing, there is #ubuntu-ops. this is not the place.
[17:32] <Hash> I'm not talking about channel management.
[17:33] <Hash> And in most cases, almost everything falls upon deaf ears anyway. So nevermind.
[17:34] <Hash> Before I go find my cookies
[17:34] <Hash> WHERE THE HECK DO THEY Live even?! :/
[17:35] <Hash> .config/google-chrome/ ?
[17:35] <Hash> I mean. I copied that. Cookies didn't go with it. I guess
[17:35] <Hash> xx: ideas?\
[17:36] <tomreyn> it will help those supporting you to know which ubuntu version, software, sometimes hardware you are using
[17:36] <Hash> Oh np
[17:37] <Hash> One more time, 22.04, google-chrome, ran bleachbit and told it to not delete cookies, but I have no cookies left on my original instal, or my new nvme install of 22
[17:37] <Hash> I have a backup of ~ in a ZFS mirror, which should still have my cookies since that backup wasn't touched.
[17:37] <Hash> Where would the cookies be?
[17:37] <Hash> just restore .config/google-chrome I guess, hopefully cookies come back.
[17:37] <Hash> Having to relogin everywhere is a hard task.
[17:39] <tomreyn> i'm not familiar with google chrome, but if it's a non snap installation, ~/.config/google-chrome/ could be the right place.
[17:39] <Hash> Yeah, non snap. Yuou get the x64 .deb from google.com
[17:42] <Hash> tomreyn: hey bud, check /msg when you get a chance. I gotta get zfs up so I can access my mirror again, then copy over my files. Over 12+ years, accumulated over 7gb of .dotfiles/dirs in ~. Feels unclean/dirty, want to start a new user account, but migrate my keys, kdewallet, gnupg etc. stuff
[17:45] <Hash> So what I did was, in case anyone wants a much faster way to install
[17:46] <Hash> I downloaded latest 22 iso, grub customizer program, create a new grub boot entry to load the .ISO directly, initrd and the kernel
[17:46] <tomreyn> Hash: i drop /msg by default, prefer talking in channels. i won't be able to help with ZFS much, but creating a new user account should be easy, you can even do so on the GUI.
[17:46] <Hash> So now instead of making a slwo usb install, I can just install ubuntu anytime from hdd, and it always is there
[17:47] <Hash> tomreyn: not support related, but personal.
[17:48] <Hash> tomreyn: I was going to ask about #websec :)
[17:59] <harmon_d4> hi
[17:59] <harmon_d4> I have way off topic question, but it's harder to google than I thought. I want to write a bash script that will start working when it @sees@ the light.I wanted to use ffmpeg or fswebcam (which I've never used before)So imagine you walk into the room, you turn on the lights and the script will take a picture of you. Any ideas?
[18:00] <harmon_d4>  I mean it doesn't have to be ffmpeg nor fswebcam any solution will work.
[18:00] <Hash> #linux
[18:00] <Hash> This is #ubuntu support channel
[18:00] <Hash> You'll have more luck in a generic linux channel
[18:02] <xwallpaper> oh theres this lib opencv if you program
[18:04] <xwallpaper> harmon_d4, if you program theres a library called opencv
[18:06] <Guest92> how do I make activities menu transparent in ubuntu 22.04
[18:10] <tomreyn> Guest92: there appears to be a gnome-shell extension for this purpose: https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/3518/transparent-shell/
[18:10] <tomreyn> note that gnome-shell extensions can break your desktop partially or fully, so be careful with those.
[18:12] <Guest92> that is not making activities transparent
[18:16] <tomreyn> Guest92: oh, yes, you're right. well, maybe there's another gnome-shell extension which does. you can also use custom CSS files if I recall correctly.
[18:24] <Guest92> can't find
[18:26] <tomreyn> my personal take on gneom-shell modifications is: do not (or as little as possible) touch a mostly kind of running system
[18:27] <tomreyn> that's a bit sad, but most of all i really want it to just work.
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[18:59] <Guest92> python blender problem
[19:00] <Guest92> io_thps_scene-blender2.8 exists in /home/ronalds/.config/blender/2.83/scripts/addons/
[19:00] <Guest92> blender says no module named io_thps_scene-blender2.8
[19:00] <Guest92> exists
[19:01] <Guest92> when I try to enable it
[19:03] <tomreyn> Guest92: there's a blender irc channel, i think, probably also here on libera.chat. blender version 2.83 is not available in ubuntu (other than by an outdated snap)
[19:04] <oerheks> ubuntu focal gives 2.8.2 .. so where does 2.8.3 come from?
[19:04] <cbreak> downloading 3 from the official page is trivial too
[19:14] <saltd> UPTIME: 0 days, 0 hours, 46 minutes
[19:15] <tomreyn> saltd: do you need any help with this?
[19:16] <saltd> no, thx tomreyn
[19:30] <Guest92> I seem to not be able to install windows 11 from ubuntu 22.04 in virtualbox
[19:30] <Guest92> I select all correct settings and it says minimum req does not meet
[19:31] <Guest92> I have amd ryzen 5 with nvidia gtx 1650  with 8 gb of ram
[19:31] <Guest92> I give 6 cores, enough ram and all that other stuff
[19:32] <Guest92> any tips?
[19:32] <oerheks> try the virtualbox channels? i have no idea about windows, obviously
[19:33] <oerheks> i would use KVM/virt-manager for VM's
[19:38] <rfm> Guest92, Windows 11 requires a TPM, and virtualbox doesn't provided one in VMs.  There have been various ways to force W11 to install without one but I think Microsoft has plugged them all now.
[19:39] <Guest92> so any vm works?
[19:39] <rfm> Guest92, I don't know..
[19:39] <oerheks> ' any' ?
[19:42] <Guest92> is there a virtual machine that works
[19:42] <nunja> Are there any good "one stop shop" guides for learning ubuntu / linux?  There are too many resources out there and they are spread out all over the place
[19:43] <oerheks> nunja, good start is https://help.ubuntu.com/
[19:44] <nunja> I don't know if I can take another article that starts with "type 'ls'.  congratulations you just used the command line for the first time!!"
[19:45] <nunja> Thank you oerheks.
[19:47] <oerheks> there are many blogs, some good, some worse .. populair is https://fullcirclemagazine.org/
[19:48] <coconut> nunja, maybe you like tldr instead for man pages?
[19:49] <nunja> these are very helpful.  thank you
[19:50] <nunja> I dabbled in RedHat a long time ago.  I'm somewhat familiar and could use a crash course
[19:53] <dreamon> coconut, cool one
[19:54] <oerheks> !info tldr
[19:54] <ubottu> tldr (0.6.4-1build6.3, jammy): Haskell tldr client. In component universe, is optional. Built by haskell-tldr. Size 560 kB / 2,835 kB
[20:01] <webchat79> i can't hear you read
[20:01] <oerheks> good
[20:02] <webchat79> have you ubuntu beacouse, my it's very slow
[20:02] <nunja> thank you oerheks
[20:04] <oerheks> no PM please, webchat79
[20:05] <jrguk> Unable to update-grub since adding two custom entries to /etc/grub.d/40_custom - update-grub now fails to complete and hangs meaning I have to use CTRL + C to exit it
[20:06] <oerheks> jrguk, pastebin those entries and your fstab?
[20:06] <jrguk> menuentry 'LxPupSc64 22.02+0-T' {
[20:06] <jrguk> search --no-floppy --fs-uuid --set b5bd6acd-8329-4b95-a6ca-50e436452b86
[20:06] <jrguk> linux /LxPupSc64-22.02/vmlinuz psubdir=LxPupSc64-22.02 psave=sda3:/LxPupSc64-22.02/LxPupSc64save
[20:06] <jrguk> initrd /LxPupSc64-22.02/initrd.gz
[20:06] <jrguk> }
[20:06] <jrguk> menuentry 'Arch64Pup 20.05+0' {
[20:06] <oerheks> !paste
[20:06] <ubottu> For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use https://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use https://imgur.com/ !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic.
[20:06] <tomreyn> webchat79: hi there. if you have an ubuntu support question, just ask it, providing some details of what you have there, too.
[20:07] <tomreyn> jrguk: ^ ubottu's message is to you
[20:07] <webchat79> give me http
[20:08] <enigma9o7[m]> who has it now?
[20:09] <webchat79> we don't know
[20:09] <webchat79> we think KVirc
[20:10] <tomreyn> jrguk: you got musted due to 'spamming' the channel, but that's been lifted since.
[20:10] <tomreyn> *muted
[20:10] <jrguk> sorry
[20:10] <webchat79> i whonet lifted since
[20:11] <tomreyn> jrguk: no worries. if you're looking for a pastebin-like service which works without registration, there is termbin.com and paste.debian.net
[20:15] <jrguk> oerheks - custom grub lines are here; http://paste.debian.net/1249549
[20:17] <oerheks> oh, i thought it was ubuntu-related..
[20:18] <jrguk> yes ubuntu is the main system and i was trying to multi-boot with two puppies
[20:27] <oerheks> i have no idea what is wrong with those extra lines, jrguk ..
[20:28] <jrguk> fstab contents are here; http://paste.debian.net/1249551
[20:36] <h0lyspir1t> qq
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[21:15] <dwigton> Does the Ubuntu Software app work for anyone? This is my second install, 20.04 and 22.04, where searching or selecting a category to browse, just spins or shows placeholder ellipses. I can use the commandline fine, but that makes discovery a bit harder.
[21:15] <Sven_vB> hi :)
[21:17] <Unit193> dwigton: Don't quote me on this, but I think that targets snaps more?  If you want a not-so-user-friendly UI there's always synaptic of course.  There's also GNOME's software center.
[21:18] <dwigton> Unit193: Yeah, that is part of why I want to use it. To be able to compare dpkg to snaps for things I want to keep closer to the bleeding edge.
[21:19] <Unit193> Gotcha.  Sorry I can't help, never used it myself.
[21:20] <Sven_vB> I'm using Ubuntu focal with VLC media player 3.0.9.2 Vetinari. When launching a movie file in Thunar, or dragging a movie file from Thunar onto a playing VLC window, the current media is stopped and replaced with the new playback. Usually, this is what I want, but sometimes it happens by accident. However, a streaming software I use with it disconnects when VLC stops reading from its pipe, and reconnecting takes about a minute. is there a way to
[21:20] <Sven_vB> launch a VLC instance in some kind of "protective" mode, i.e. never re-use this window for external activations from Thunar?
[21:20] <remline> I never could get the graphical software centers to work, but that encouraged me to learn how to use 'apt' command line. :)
[21:20] <dwigton> I think that is probably the answer unfortunately. No one uses it so who cares if it is broken.
[21:21] <Unit193> I'm sure quite a few people do, I'm just an oddball. :)
[21:22] <dwigton> Do you avoid snaps?
[21:22] <Unit193> Yes I'm one of those people. :)
[21:23] <Sven_vB> maybe I have an idea: would it help to run the stream software's VLC in the same Xorg session but as another user?
[21:23] <dwigton> Is there a reason, so I can be one of those people too?
[21:23] <Sven_vB> I avoid snaps because snapd sometimes suddenly takes up lots of CPU
[21:23] <Unit193> dwigton: If they work for you, I wouldn't avoid them.
[21:23] <Sven_vB> so actually I avoid snapd, and thus can't use snaps.
[21:24] <Unit193> There are many reasons people chose to not use it, I don't think giving people a list to choose from is helpful.  One can always find an aspect to dislike on something. :)
[21:24] <dwigton> I generally just apt-cache search, by that doesn't have the same discoverability.
[21:25] <remline> My computer was too slow to handle snaps.
[21:26] <dwigton> Unit193: I was tongue in cheek. Most wondering if there was something glaring I was unaware of like "Snaps include a keylogger that send all your passwords straight to Shuttleworth and the rest of the reptilians."
[21:27] <Unit193> dwigton: Nah, some just don't like it because it updates without user prompting, can't be deferred or whatnot.  Some because they're too large of a download and they have restricted internet, or because terminal applications via snap aren't as easy to use, or patching is harder, etc, etc.
[21:33] <dwigton> Ah, those are reasonable. Still it can be nice to have the latest gimp or other that I don't script.
[21:34] <remline> dwigton: Yeah, to me, the pros and cons are about equal. The tradeoffs seem very reasonable. On my laptop, its just too slow though.
[21:37] <Unit193> Some things are available via -backports, but yes very very few.
[21:39] <dwigton> Well, one other trade-off, I can't get the @()$%#^ snap-store to work!
[21:39] <Unit193> You can use snap directly to get something, though.  There's an online interface to display what's avilable.
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[21:41] <dwigton> True. I have just trained my brain on apt-cache and can't ever seem to remember the snap commands. Takes me 30 seconds to go look it up, by then I have been distracted by twitter.
[22:45] <morganu> set alarm in linux
[22:45] <morganu> how to.
[22:46] <fuzzymanboob98[m> gnome clocks for ez solution, systemd service and timer for a fun exercise
[22:46] <morganu> copied and will set this up. should be an easy app. hmm. later. must catch bus.
[22:47] <morganu> thanks fuzzywoman back at cha