=== blackest_mamba_ is now known as blackest_mamba === blackest_mamba_ is now known as blackest_mamba === M4he is now known as mahe === Furor is now known as Colere [02:00] Hi. So, anyone running desktop 22.04 - how "deep" is snap integration? Reading some random articles at reddit, I have an impression that it became worse compared to 20.04, which I'm running now. I.e. attempt to install firefox via apt automatically installs it via snap, even installing snapd if it was missing, etc. [02:03] it think both of these are facts: when you attempt to install firefox via apt this will automatically install the firefox snap, even installing snapd if it was missing [02:05] I think, my question can be mostly transformed to this: users, who purged snapd from their 22.04 system - do you face any related issues? [02:07] the related issue would be that snaps are not readily available. thats, if you consider this an issue. [02:09] No issues lexandrop. [02:11] tomreyn: since I plan to avoid snapd at all costs, snaps being unavailable is not an issue, but a desired result for me :) An issue would be some other part of the system being broken, because since 22.04 it started to rely on snapd (or some specific snap) availability [02:11] enigma9o7[m]: thanks [02:12] lexanddrop: snap isn't that hard to remove or integral to Ubuntu [02:12] I personally have it removed and used the Firefox PPA to get an apt version of Firefox ESR [02:13] you do get the snap version of Firefox installed on your system if you install it from the Ubuntu repository tho [02:13] Chloe343: "snap isn't that hard to remove ..." - I know this is true for 20.04, but wasn't sure if that's still true for 22.04 :) that's why I've came here. thanks [02:14] haha no problem! [02:14] I think I had that uhh [02:14] desnapify thing? [02:14] https://www.debugpoint.com/remove-snap-ubuntu/ [02:15] I've heard something about it... But have never used yet. IIRC, pure apt was enough in my case. [02:15] yeah same [02:15] and also a little bit of Flatpaks [02:18] thanks for the link, though, bookmarked it just in case [02:18] haha you're welcome === _WEZ_ is now known as wez === blackest_mamba_ is now known as blackest_mamba [07:35] Hrm, after upgrading to 22.04, I need to `rmmod igb; modprobe igb` for the Intel I350 adapters to work; it seems like a kernel issue; does anyone know of a bug report for it? (I'm still searching...) [09:21] Looks like everything is packaged as a snap these days in the new Iso [09:33] Andrew: luckily not everything [09:33] but the things that are are annoying enough :( [09:41] hola [10:01] Dear Ubuntu Developers and Contributers, [10:01] Please see my comment about a major SECURITY ISSUE: [10:01] https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/ubuntu-22-04-1-delayed-until-august-11/29859/3?u=niix [10:01] That is really easy to fix. [10:01] I don't know why Ubuntu doesn't change that. [10:10] soy un albaricoque [10:24] Dear Ubuntu Developers and Contributers, [10:24] Please see my comment about a major SECURITY ISSUE: [10:24] https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/ubuntu-22-04-1-delayed-until-august-11/29859/3?u=niix [10:24] That is really easy to fix. [10:24] I don't know why Ubuntu hasn't fixed that. [11:01] webchat42: wrong way of pointing this out. and additionally, what do you expect when you plug in a usb stick which has binaries on them? I never saw ubuntu executing something [11:03] and if you really think this is something talking about, create a launchpad account and file it against gnome-control-center === de-facto_ is now known as de-facto [12:25] a quick question about mirroring with ftpsync: someone know how to tell ftpsync to mirror non-free and contrib in ftpsync.config file? [12:26] *about mirroring a package repository [12:27] probably a question for #debian ? [12:27] ok [12:27] (ubuntu dos not hav contrib or non-free) [12:27] *does not have [12:46] Hi all === realivanjx8 is now known as realivanjx === realivanjx8 is now known as realivanjx [15:26] Hi everyone, accidentally removed my default python 3.6 install out of Ubuntu 18.04 broke almost everything, including networking. I'm using a rescue dvd in "try but do not install" mode. Was able to chroot my lvm / partition. [15:30] nmatrix9: ubuntu 18.04 used python 2.7.18 by default, so python3 should not be essential there, i think. unless you changed where "python" points to (3.6 rather than 2.7, but that would already break a lot, i assume). it should also have warned you about removing essential packages, had you done so. [15:30] Trying to do a full re-install of all networking components with apt get but getting "Error connecting: Could not connect: Connection refused" while in the chrooted parition [15:31] 'connection refused' would suggest outbound firewalling or a mandatory proxy, which is not configured. [15:31] You may also need to deal with resolv.conf within the chroot. [15:32] or just talking to the wrong host (maybe as a result of bad name resolution - but this seems less liekly) [15:32] Try a> ping -c3 8.8.8.8 [15:32] I have internet access when I'm "outside" the chrooted partition "/dev/lubuntu-vg/root mounted to /mnt" [15:32] Full internet acces [15:32] nmatrix9: While in chroot, "mv /etc/resolv.conf /etc/resolv.conf.bak", then exit chroot and do "cp /etc/resolv.conf /path/to/chroot/etc/resolv.conf", replacing the path as appropriate. [15:33] Re-enter chroot, you should have Internet access. [15:33] root@ubuntu:/home/nash/Downloads/ubuntu_packages/gnome# ping -c3 8.8.8.8 [15:33] PING 8.8.8.8 (8.8.8.8) 56(84) bytes of data. [15:33] 64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: icmp_seq=1 ttl=118 time=13.2 ms [15:33] 64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: icmp_seq=2 ttl=118 time=15.5 ms [15:33] 64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: icmp_seq=3 ttl=118 time=13.3 ms [15:33] Then when you're done, just before exiting the chroot, do "rm /etc/resolv.conf && mv /etc/resolv.conf.bak /etc/resolv.conf" [15:34] arraybolt3[m], cool I'll try that. [15:34] (This all assumes you don't have /etc/resolv.conf.bak already present in your installed system.) [15:35] Is /etc mounted in the chroot [15:36] if only we had a good chroot repair manual listing all the steps in common scenarios... [15:36] Jeremy31: /etc should be a folder in the installed system with configuration data specific to that system, so bind-mounting over chroot might be a bad idea (if that's what you're saying). [15:37] s/over chroot/over it in the chroot/ [15:38] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCdRecovery#Update_Failure lists all steps other than mounting the efi system partition (if you have one). [15:39] tomreyn turned off firewall and I'm not sure how to set up a mandatory proxy [15:40] nmatrix9: that's good, then you probably don't have one [15:41] nmatrix9: does sudo apt update from within the chroot work now? [15:43] tomreyn, I'm mounting a lvm partition /dev/lubuntu-vg/root, the first step, the /dev/sda1 wouldn't apply or would I still have to mount some sort of device even for a lvm? [15:44] nmatrix9: you'd need to mount the root file system, which is probably on your lvm LV then [15:44] oh right you just said so [15:44] so just replace "/dev/sda1" by "/dev/lubuntu-vg/root" [15:46] nmatrix9: if you have other LV's for important system paths such as /var or /usr/ or /etc you should mount those into / below the mounted root file system, too [15:46] Still getting : "Hit:22 https://packagecloud.io/datawireio/telepresence/ubuntu bionic InRelease [15:46] Hit:23 http://ppa.launchpad.net/remmina-ppa-team/remmina-next/ubuntu bionic InRelease [15:46] Hit:24 http://ppa.launchpad.net/webupd8team/atom/ubuntu bionic InRelease [15:46] Fetched 64.4 kB in 3s (19.6 kB/s) [15:46] Error connecting: Could not connect: Connection refused" [15:46] after doing apt update [15:47] nmatrix9: you just got muted here for pasting too many lines. [15:47] !paste | nmatrix9 [15:47] nmatrix9: For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use https://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use https://imgur.com/ !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic. [15:47] you can also pipe output into | nc 5.39.93.71 9999 [15:48] this will post it to termbin.com [15:48] nmatrix9: and the mute is now undone. [15:49] tomreyn, ok thanks, will keep my texts one line. [15:50] sudo apt-get update &> /tmp/apt && cat /tmp/apt | nc 5.39.93.71 9999 [15:50] Yeah, it's just weird to me I can access the internet from the chrooted parition but apt is just failing to do update or install or anything [15:51] if you run the command above, this would post the full "apt-get update" output on termbin.com (where it remains stored for a month, i think) and return a link to this post, which you can share here [15:52] this assumes you'r eusing a bash-like shell [15:52] otherwise: sudo apt-get update >/tmp/apt 2>&1 && cat /tmp/apt | nc 5.39.93.71 9999 [16:00] tomreyn https://termbin.com/oegvt [16:03] nmatrix9: basic apt seems to be working fine, it must be some extension to it that's failing. maybe packagekit. [16:03] do you remember modifying or adding files in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ ? [16:19] nmatrix9: if you run apt-get with -o 'Debug::RunScripts 1' this may hint on which apt hook is failing there [16:20] tomreyn, modifying /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ not directly but I have added updated to/etc/apt/sources.list [16:23] nmatrix9: i don't think changes to /etc/apt/sources.list{,.d/} would cause this very error. [16:23] feel free to re-run the above apt-get command with the debug topion and post its output on termbin.com again [16:24] topion -> option [16:24] @tomreyn: apt-get -o Debug::RunScripts 1 ? [16:24] sudo apt-get update -o 'Debug::RunScripts 1' >/tmp/apt 2>&1 && cat /tmp/apt | nc 5.39.93.71 9999 [16:25] hello guys. so, I'm trying to figure out why I get `0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 3 not upgraded.`: https://0bin.xyz/view/f2d96ff0#L33 [16:26] nmatrix9: sorry, it's this: sudo apt-get update -o 'Debug::RunScripts=1' >/tmp/apt 2>&1 && cat /tmp/apt | nc 5.39.93.71 9999 [16:26] Exterminador: Phased updates maybe? [16:28] Exterminador: when you run apt show python3-distupgrade ubuntu-release-upgrader-core ubuntu-release-upgrader-gtk you'll see the seeding percentage given in parentheses [16:29] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PhasedUpdates [16:30] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates#Phasing [16:31] oh. so: Phased-Update-Percentage: 0 [16:31] tomreyn https://termbin.com/ws8j [16:35] nmatrix9: i guessed right, it's packagekit related. to solve this, you'd need to find out where these scripts running before the error message try to connect to and how to enable them to do so, or how to stop them from trying to do so. [16:35] nmatrix9: this error does not actually seem to stop apt from working, though [16:35] so maybe, for now, it's best to just ignore this part [16:36] that's unless there are follow-up errors somewhere? are you able to run sudo apt full-upgrade ? [16:42] nmatrix9: so other than this message from 'apt update' / 'apt-get update', is there any indication that there is a networking issue? what does not seem to work exactly? [17:05] tomreyn, let me backtrack a bit, to provide more context this is all occurring with a Ubuntu KVM 18.04. After accidentally removing the default python install, the KVM is unable to connect to the internet via VIrtual network 'network-wlp3s0' on regular startup: Route to wlp3s0 (my host network). [17:06] Not sure how to just get it back to the way it was before or even just get back basic network functionality. [17:09] tomreyn in rescue mode I'm simply trying to re-install all the network components so I have basic network / internet connectivity again. when I do apt install nothing seems to be installed. I was thinking the : Error connecting: Could not connect: Connection refused may have something to do with it. [17:13] how to seed ubuntu distros ? [17:14] In what context do you mean/ [17:15] When I read that question, the first thing that pops into my is sharing a torrent, but you must mean somethiing else? [17:20] nmatrix9: wlp3s0 is a wireless network interface - in kvm?! [17:21] nmatrix9: oh that's on your host, ok. so i assume the guest sees this as an ethernet NIC then. [17:21] tomreyn, yes [17:22] "when I do apt install nothing seems to be installed" -> that's probably because it is already installed. [17:23] just reinstalling the software won't help unless you manually modified its files in directories you normally wouldn't (such as /usr), i guess [17:23] also, i don't see how that's related to you removing python 3.6, yet, because i think bionic uses a 2.x version system wide. [17:24] sitll, be very careful about making changes to the *system* wide installation of python on ubuntu, in general. [17:24] *still [17:25] tomreyn, not sure either but I do know that when I did a uninstall of python 3.6. and did a reboot, lots of applications were broken for sure, including network connectivity. [17:26] "python" is 2.7.15 on bionic: https://packages.ubuntu.com/bionic/python [17:27] there is python 3.6, too https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?exact=1&suite=bionic-updates&keywords=python3 [17:27] it's possible that bionic depend on both [17:28] you could just install python3 and see what happens [17:29] or review what you removed when you did (and reinstall that as needed) - logs are in /var/log/apt/history.log [17:29] nmatrix9: i'll be afk again for a while. [17:33] essentials for ubuntu should be on python 2, so python3 uninstall should not break a lot of stuff. Just install pyhton again [17:41] python2 has been eol and deprecated for many years [17:42] "We did not want to hurt the people using Python 2. So, in 2008, we announced that we would sunset Python 2 in 2015, and asked people to upgrade before then." -- official python web page [17:43] I don't think canonical would be dumb enough to rely on python2 in an ubuntu LTS release made after 2008 [17:44] cbreak: Canonical backports security and bug fixes from newer releases into older ones. [17:45] that sounds tricky [17:45] cbreak: So even though python2 is EOL, Canonical keeps backporting fixes into it. They do this for everything in the main repository so that software versions can stay stable but still fix security problems and bugs. [17:47] (OK, maybe not everything - up until Firefox turned into a Snap, Firefox was just kept updated to the newest version all the time. But you get what I'm saying - it stays updated whether upstream EOLs it or not.) [17:50] seems like a waste of time [17:50] switching to python3 would be much less work [17:51] especially since it was forseeable in 2008 that support would end in 2015, so starting to use it in something intended for long term support was known to be a committment [17:51] cbreak: We might should continue this in #ubuntu-discuss so we don't clutter up the support forum. [17:52] tomreyn and stolen, I've re-installed everything I can think of, python 3, python, gnome desktop, lubuntu desktop, network-manager tools. Nothing currently is working, my KVM is still unable to access the internet. [17:56] nmatrix9: and the erro message is? [17:56] how do you test? [17:58] i was wrong about 18.04 ('bionic') and python. package "python3" is priority "important" whereas "python" and "python2.7" are priority "optional": apt-cache show python python2.7 python3 | grep -E '^((Package|Version|Priority):|$)' [17:58] tomreyn, open up a web browser, ping google.com [17:58] so you seem to have issues with the resolver, since you showed previously that you could ping -c3 8.8.8.8 fine [17:59] those are not error messages, though [17:59] * tomreyn bbl [17:59] tomreyn, that was when I was using Ubuntu install DVD in "Try but do not install Ubuntu" [18:00] tomreyn, I was using the live cd, that's when I can access the internet. [18:01] tomreyn, when I try to boot up my kvm Ubuntu 18.04 normally and login the desktop, no internet access. [18:02] tomreyn, when I login via LXDE, it shows that my Ethernet connection is broken [18:37] Is there anyone that might be able to help me with an external drive that will power on and be visible in Disks, but will not mount or provide no options to format? [18:53] nmatrix9: so check which packages you had removed when you erroneously removed python3, and reinstall those that are needed ("priority" >= "important", see explanation above). [18:56] nmatrix9: you will need to make those packages available to the guest system by other means, obviously. the network instrumention used on desktops is Network Manager, it provides the "nmcli" and "nmtui" utilities for configuration. other than that there is the "ip" command and systemd-resolved for name resolution. [18:56] and sometimes a fresh installation can also be useful. === kushal[m] is now known as kushal_kumaran [19:31] i need some serious help with a GPU in ubuntu [19:33] all of a sudden most shit aint workin [19:33] wierd applets i never seen before pop up, and windows with option they usually had r blank or stripped [19:34] VIA: Did you just finish updating your system? [19:34] might have not sure [19:34] *likely [19:35] VIA: What GPU are you using? [19:35] NVIDIA? AMD? Intel? [19:36] so what can i do [19:36] is there a way to purge ALL and then via onlnline or disc reinstall ? [19:36] AMD-GPU proprietary [19:36] but that shouldnt matter [19:36] VIA: Open the application menu and search for "Software and Updates" [19:37] VIA: Then click the "Additional Drivers" tab and make sure that the driver you want it set. [19:37] VIA: If it's not, set the driver to the desired driver. Once you've made sure the right driver is selected, reboot. [19:37] no add drivers available. [19:38] VIA: is there a reason why you want the blob driver? [19:38] VIA: Hmm. Where did you get the AMD proprietary drivers from? (This might sound silly but I don't actually know where you'd find those to install them, are they just in the main Ubuntu repository?) [19:38] if wahat is not? [19:38] how do i know what the apppropriate driver is [19:38] im not a developer [19:39] murmel: Probably to get the now greyed-out options they were using to start working again. My NVIDIA card absolutely must use the proprietary drivers so I can use NVENC. [19:39] VIA: check in terminal> mokutil --sb [19:39] VIA: The proprietary one should make sure things work generally, though with AMD the open-source driver can help. I'll look at the drivers available. [19:39] murmel: is there a reason why you mom cant stop fondling my one single tessticle? [19:40] arraybolt3[m]: sure, but there are almost no reasons for the amd blob [19:40] !language [19:40] Please avoid any language that may be considered offensive, including acronyms and obfuscation of such - also see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Guidelines || The main channels are English only, for other languages, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/ChannelList [19:40] you get them from AMD [19:40] VIA: wow, so rather than wanting help you just insult people! nice! do it more often [19:41] !coc | murmel [19:41] murmel: The Ubuntu Code of Conduct is the document that spells out etiquette in the Ubuntu community | http://www.ubuntu.com/project/about-ubuntu/conduct | For information on how to electronically sign the CoC, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SigningCodeofConduct | Watch http://static.screencasts.ubuntu.com/videos/2010/12/22/004-SigningCoC.ogv [19:41] I asked _why_ you want them. as the foss drivers are enough for most people [19:41] Guys, calm down. We're just trying to get a GPU working for crying out loud. [19:41] arraybolt3[m]: may I ask why you point that to me? oO [19:41] but after a while a switxhed to an opensource which did better. [19:41] /ignore murmel [19:42] sec brbr [19:42] arraybolt3[m]: o the AMD's got the own repo [19:43] arraybolt3[m]: ÂGAIN im lost idk where to begin with, again [19:43] murmel: From the COC: "We don’t allow frustration to turn into a personal attack. A community where people feel uncomfortable or threatened is not a productive one." [19:44] oO I was attacked, and that's why you point me out. great [19:44] murmel: I'll continue in PMs so as to not clutter up the channel. [19:44] and I only told VIA that if he wants to get help, he shouldn't insult people [19:44] k [19:44] this driveer that driver oh no that ... ITS ALL FINE as long as it work [19:45] id be very fine with the proprietary /opensource. [19:45] How do i tell me machine to get it ? [19:46] VIA: Try "apt-cache search fglrx" [19:47] Agh, that's the wrong command... [19:47] Hold on, I'm juggling here, sorry. [19:48] VIA: I'd probably start by just rebooting and see if that makes everything work. The AMD graphics drivers should be built into the system. You might also need to run AMD's fglrx installer again if you just had a kernel update happen. [19:49] Er, the AMDGPU installer (gosh the documentation is outdated, I should fix that). [19:51] apt-cache search fglrx gives some odd figgin output arraybolt3[m] [19:51] iv rebooted Xtimes [19:52] NO it dont fix shit [19:52] VIA: Please keep it civil. [19:52] VIA: Sorry, then I'm not sure what to do. I don't have AMD graphics :( [19:52] ita not aking it esier im running legay on an UEFI system [19:52] VIA: in terminal check> dpkg -l amdgpu-pro [19:53] uefi succesfuly killed. :D [19:53] my board barely even supports legacy anymore lol [19:54] u dont need to have AMD to be helpful i like ur input [19:54] this is about GPU's [19:54] jhutchins: please come again? did u witness something disturbing ? [19:55] VIA: Yeah but I'm out of ideas :D (Each GPU is different - Intel GPUs use one solution, NVIDIA GPUs use a different solution, and apparently AMD GPUs use a third solution... I have experience with Intel and NVIDIA, but AMD is a mystery to me.) [19:55] What's happening people? [19:56] :S [19:56] VIA: Use of language that isn't considered "family friendly" is generally prohibited on this channel. A slip-up or two is usually overlooked, but this is starting to get... well, disturbing. [19:56] /unignore murmel [19:56] dimebag: AMD GPU woes - VIA's GPU broke out of nowhere and we're trying to figure out what's happening. [19:57] i have an urgent feeling we both took our senttences as jokes, beginning from me [19:57] I don't see a clear statement of a problem that could be addressed. "It doesn't work" isn't really something we can help with. [19:58] VIA: Can you say directly what you want to try to do? [19:58] can anyone recommend a windows "non-admin", non prior installed, portable on the fly encryption usb drive method? Loading drivers seems to be the hang up everytime [19:58] jhutchins: It was functioning, an update probably happened, and now suddenly features of applications are no longer functioning, suggesting that the GPU has lost capabilities as a result of the update. [19:58] dimebag: That would be a question for ##windows, wouldn't it? [19:59] dimebag: You might ask in #windows about that, us Linux/Ubuntu people don't know all that much about that sort of thing. [19:59] yeah, but Linux operators are far more intelligent. [19:59] arraybolt3[m]: Could we address them one feature at a time? [19:59] dimebag: So you're going to take your Kia to the BMW dealer because they have better mechanics? [19:59] jhutchins: Well that's as much as I know, I was just summarizing what info I knew from before and was trying to condense it in case it would be helpful. If not, then... [19:59] LOL [20:00] touche [20:00] ok, thanks anyway [20:00] please give me examples of mine, that are not "family friendly" since its getting "DISTURBING", arraybolt3[m] [20:01] dimebag: Borrowed from #debian: here is a nice guide on how to use LVM encrypted partitions [20:01] at http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/469 . See also , , , , . [20:02] The <> taged keywords can be accessed in #debian by /msg dpkg [20:02] a clean reset. purge all GPU start anew ... a new ur the one who can do it arraybolt3[m] [20:02] VIA: Try booting into an older kernel maybe? [20:03] s/a new/ I know [20:03] idk how i would do that [20:03] VIA: Press and hold Shift during early boot, go to Advanced Options for Ubuntu, then select an older kernel (not a recovery-mode option). [20:03] im new to linux [20:04] aagahahahhhaha yeee e think i know whatu might mean [20:04] brb <3 [20:05] so I am wondering how affective is reserving memory for the kernel. and can you also reserve memory for normal desktop function so this stuff is never swapped? [20:06] transhumanist: Why? [20:06] transhumanist: Are you having swapping problems? How much RAM do you have? [20:07] because I am doing the unthinkable , (way overloading because my system doesnt have enough for my workload (till I can get something new) I could put asside 4G for the desktop and kernel [20:07] transhumanist: What happens if you just let it swap? [20:08] it gets to the point to where it freezes the desktop [20:09] there is kernel boot parameters for etc/fstab mem or some such thing [20:09] transhumanist: Do you just need to increase your swapfile size? [20:09] not any more its about 3 times my memory and its compressed [20:09] How much physical ram do you have, and how much swap? [20:09] running btrfs and zfs (for swap) [20:10] if I can put asside for desktop and kernel, then my config will work nicely [20:11] Last I checked swap space didn't have a regular file system. [20:11] it can either be a file or on a seperate partition , in my case its a zpool [20:12] so there is no parameters for putting asside non swap memory for desktop function I take it like there is for the kernel? [20:12] Unless you have really, really bad code it shouldn't steal protected RAM from system functions. The underlying memory systems date back to systems that ran heavily swapped all the time. [20:13] hmm, maybe its just a limit of the stress test I am using then, didnt think of that [20:13] transhumanist: You say "desktop function". One of the first things I would do on a memory-restricted system would be get rid of the GUI. [20:14] ya I did that on my other identical system [20:14] well answer is probably no, but figured I would ask [20:14] thanks [20:18] transhumanist: There are plenty of articles on the web regarding Linux memory management, but be prepared to dive pretty deeply into core theory. [20:19] re [20:19] thanks [20:19] no luck, or i didnt pay attention and proceeded to dothe worng thing [20:20] when the ubuntu boot procedure starts, im presented with half a dozen options or so [20:21] VIA: You were going to try reverting to an earlier kernel. [20:21] VIA: How difficult would it be to just wipe the system and do a clean install? [20:21] one (recovery kís in its name first tho) leads me to a menu, where i can select kernels, and each 2 of them. 1 safe 1 just as [20:22] i have never done it, so i cant asse how difficult it is [20:22] :03 < arraybolt3[m]> VIA: Press and hold Shift during early boot, go to Advanced Options for Ubuntu, then select an older kernel [20:22] (not a recovery-mode option). [20:23] VIA: You did the original install, you know what you did after that. [20:23] my booting process is slightly diffferent from anyoneelses since i killed UEFI ... but let me give thaat a try [20:23] VIA: Lots of us don't use EFI. [20:24] to be honest: the end result (option) you dscribed seemed exactly like what was ending up with [20:25] no i cant go through all that. this i my first workin linux distro/INSTALL so this isnt exactlxa go [20:27] WEll, if it's "not working" ... [20:34] tomreyn, KVM can be a bit "obtuse" when it comes to networking, fresh installation will wipe out my home directory which has months of new data on it. [20:35] if you have no backup of your important data, it is not important. [20:47] What do you have to loose? [20:49] nmatrix9: Storage is cheap. How much data do you have to back up? [20:50] jhutchins, nmatrix9: Ubuntu KVM 18.04. After accidentally removing the default python install, ... [20:50] accidently.. [20:50] * rob0 hates it when that happens [20:50] really, such action removes the complete desktop :-D [20:51] python removes the desktop? [20:51] try it? [20:51] sudo apt remove python3 [20:51] Re-install python. [20:51] apt install python3 [20:51] Probably not quite idempotent, but should be workable. [20:52] good luck, it does not work that way [20:52] Still, who needs a GUI to back up data? [20:52] Wouldn't apt remove python3 take a LOT of dependencies with it? [20:53] yes, complete desktop [20:53] lolz [20:53] Likem maybe give you a clue? [20:53] so, the story is not true. [20:53] Likely have to reinstall the DE [20:53] Who needs a desktop anyway! 80 charact3ers forever! [20:53] but install needs python, endless loop of discussion. [20:54] silly unregistered users, it is a plague [20:55] When I see "KVM", it always registers as "Keyboard, Video, Mouse (switch)". [20:58] ¿Aire? [20:58] nmatrix9: do a fresh install into a new vm, attach the other storage to it, mount it at /mnt/, backup, and you're done. [20:58] hi manet [21:23] yo [21:24] jhutchins: no i really dont. ima script kid with a portion of luck thats unearthly :}}} [21:25] im thinking now, backup important folders / documents /scripts/ aynything i think matter... then just do the install and replace the falces back where hey belong [21:26] thats hwta i always did in MS eheeheeh [21:26] but got a lawyers appointment soon i cant fiddle that diddle and risk not being able to write at all [21:27] thx averyon e whos been so kind and helpful. ill sure be back (like F as if there was a way around :P) [21:28] i want a blunt [21:28] sry wrong window [21:28] tomreyn, I guess it's time to upgrade the KVM to 20.04 anyways. Will backup the home directory and install 20.04 and go from there. [21:29] nmatrix9: if this was lubuntu, it was EOL anyways. and not ethat 22.04 LTS is out since april, so you may want to choose that instead. [21:30] tomreyn, Ubuntu 18.04 was using Lubuntu desktop. [21:30] nmatrix9: https://lubuntu.me/bionic-eol/ [21:32] nmatrix9: I though it used GNOME? [21:32] thought* [21:33] nmatrix9: And, if this was a generic statement then no, Ubuntu 18.04 was using gnome-shell + mutter as a desktop. [21:35] tomreyn, I thought the EOL was 2023 including security updates? [21:35] yes for ubuntu, no for lubuntu [21:35] nmatrix9: For Ubuntu, it is. For Lubuntu, EOL hit in 2021. [21:36] Ubuntu server and desktop get 5 years of support, flavors get 3. [21:37] + 5 years commercial support for the most relevant parts of Ubuntu [21:59] I moved ~/.mozilla to new ubuntu install and install firefox in 22 and start, my profile isn't there. [22:01] Sigh [22:01] Run "firefox -P" in terminal and add your profile file path to the Profile Manager [22:02] It wants me to create a new profile [22:02] Says something about old version and corruption or something [22:02] If I boot into my old install of 22, it's fine. [22:02] I copied over ~/snap too [22:02] After copying over ~/snap to new install home, now it says about old verson of profile [22:04] Oh idk then, I've never used the snap version [22:04] I have no idea why it's int here [22:04] I did apt remove firefox, it removed it, and snap firefox is still installed [22:05] it says, using an older verfion of firefox can corrupt me [22:05] So the snap version is old. [22:05] How do I remove it? [22:06] I don't understand how firefox is old.. still 22 ubuntu. just reinstall to new partition and move my home over [22:06] !info firefox jammy [22:06] firefox (1:1snap1-0ubuntu2, jammy): Transitional package - firefox -> firefox snap. In component main, is optional. Built by firefox. Size 71 kB / 255 kB. (Only available for amd64, armhf, arm64.) [22:06] snap has it's own commands to remove snap packages. I forget what the command is but if you run "man snap" in terminal youll find it [22:07] Hash: You might want to run "sudo snap refresh" real quick, that will get Firefox updated. [22:07] Hash: ^ ' sudo snap remove firefox ' . [22:08] I'm just very irritable today I have no idea why! [22:08] I wanted to start a brand new ~/ and I coudln't. [22:08] kde wallet wouldn't open, chrome browser won't work, because even thoughI copied all the wallet files and gnupg keys [22:09] Still won't open. So I had to copy my entire 12 year old ~ to new home and then it worked in this instal [22:09] That's irritable as I wanted to start a new profile clean. [22:09] Sigh. [22:09] Then I lost all my cookies, had to relogin everywehre. [22:09] It's a hassle. [22:09] now i have to steup all my ubuntu stuff all over again. [22:12] I installed new snap of it, -P, and selected the right profile. had to restore from zfs backup [22:12] I'm not happy with this etup. I want a new home and only want to copy over ssh keys, gpunpg keys, wallet, some few dot files and that's it, start a new home, but have things work. I can't figure out why kdewallet won't open, even though I copied all the files. [22:14] and even though snap firefox is installed, I removed ~/snap and it's using .mozilla for profile information. [22:15] So some online docs said if you use ubuntu firefox snap, profile is stored in ~/snap but that doesnt' seem to be the case [22:15] maybe its in /var/snap [22:21] I upgraded from ubuntu server 20 to 22 and ever since then my vm has only stay online for about 20 minutes. It just seems to stop responding to the network. I have to reset the vm to get it to respond. I have logs but I can't understand them. Can anyone help? [22:22] Praxis: can oyu share those logs then? on a pastebin-like site? [22:22] yeah [22:22] Praxis: also, which virtualization is it, which network driver? [22:23] are you using default ubuntu kernels? [22:23] https://pastebin.com/DPCcgerZ [22:24] tomreyn that's a long story, i've been trying to figure out kernel issues for a minute [22:25] a yes or no to the latter question will be sufficient [22:25] https://pastebin.com/qq23NzB5 [22:25]