[19:00] <sil2100> o/
[19:00] <athos> o/
[19:02] <lucaskanashiro[m> o/
[19:07] <sil2100> Let's see who else we have today
[19:07] <bdmurray> o/
[19:10] <teward> *walks in looking like crap due to late night emergency work until 3AM*
[19:11] <teward> sil2100: here if absolutely needed but I'm kinda beat to hell... hence 404 teward not found.
[19:11] <rbasak> o/ Sorry I'm late
[19:12] <sil2100> Ok, I think we have quorum then
[19:12] <sil2100> Who wants to chair today?
[19:13] <sil2100> Also, hm, the Agenda doesn't state the dates our applicants applied to
[19:13] <teward> not it, i can barely type...
[19:13] <rbasak> I think it's just athos today?
[19:13] <sil2100> Would have to browse through the mailing-list
[19:14] <sil2100> Okay, if no one wants, I can chair. Who was the chair last time though?
[19:15] <bdmurray> rbasak did last time
[19:16] <bdmurray> We already voted on Mattia, did not finish with Frank
[19:16] <teward> i was supposed to act on mattia but chaos with FT dragged me away to Hell so I still have to do that I think?
[19:17] <sil2100> I didn't see a decision made publicly on Mattia
[19:17] <sil2100> At least there was no announcement
[19:17] <teward> sil2100: i believe that was assigned to me and yes I dropped the ball on that
[19:17] <sil2100> Please be sure to delegate to someone else in cases when you are unable to perform the post-application steps, since otherwise it's a bit... bad
[19:18] <teward> sil2100: family badness troubles + work sending you on a week long journey across country makes that tricky
[19:18] <teward> but ye thats my bad i will send that announce today
[19:19] <sil2100> Yeah, I understand that, this is why we need to be more willing to delegate in such moments
[19:19] <sil2100> Maybe we should document that in the knowledgebase, since it's not always easy to remember that it's an option
[19:19] <teward> check.  this said someome meglected to update the agenda last meeting - wasnt that the chair's job?
[19:20] <teward> https://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2022/ubuntu-meeting.2022-07-25-16.06.html cliffs notes from last meeting
[19:21] <teward> carried assigned actions etx
[19:21] <sil2100> Thanks! I'll use  that as a base then
[19:21] <sil2100> Okay, no volunteers,
[19:21] <sil2100> #startmeeting Developer Membership Board
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[19:21] <teward> we did mattia.  frank is xo
[19:21] <teward> continjed to today*
[19:21] <rbasak> I think he said he was on vacation?
[19:21] <sil2100> #topic Ubuntu Core Developer Applications
[19:21] <rbasak> IIRC I asked him to update us with a new date
[19:22] <teward> and new applicant athos
[19:22] <sil2100> Let's start off with the person here
[19:22] <teward> rbasak: ack
[19:22] <sil2100> #subtopic Athos Ribeiro
[19:22] <sil2100> athos: o/
[19:22] <athos> o/
[19:22] <sil2100> athos: hello! Could you please introduce yourself?
[19:22] <sil2100> #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AthosRibeiro/UbuntuCoreDeveloperApplication
[19:22] <athos> Hello! I am a software engineer @ canonical working in the server team. Mostly working on ROCKs, PHP, and PostgreSQL atm. You can find more details on the application page :)
[19:23] <rbasak> As I always do for colleagues, I'll abstain unless required to vote for quorum and everyone else is anonymous.
[19:23] <sil2100> Excellent. Let's take 5 minutes in case DMB members need a moment to browse the application (like me for instance)
[19:25] <lucaskanashiro[m> I'll follow rbasak on that
[19:26] <bdmurray> Given the number of members here won't we need your votes?
[19:26] <rbasak> Yeah maybe. Let's see what everyone else thinks first though.
[19:27] <teward> if we have abstains from lucaskanashiro[m and rbasak then we are not quorate for this application
[19:27] <rbasak> > unless required to vote for quorum and everyone else is anonymous.
[19:28] <lucaskanashiro[m> sorry, I did not check the quorum. If needed I'll vote
[19:28] <sil2100> Okay, do we have any questions fot athos ?
[19:29] <sil2100> athos: have you worked on any transitions other than the PHP8.1 one (as mentioned by Bryce's endorsement)?
[19:31] <athos> not really. I could fing no opportunities for any lately :) I did perform one or 2 no-change rebuilds that were missing from the ICU 70 soname bump though
[19:31] <sil2100> athos: okay! Just a quick check up then: how can transitions be started? What usually happens?
[19:31] <athos> and while this is not a transition, I also performed a bootstrap for sbcl a couple weeks ago (ppc64el) which required a few reverse deps rebuilds.
[19:33] <sil2100> (aka. what event can 'trigger' a transition)
[19:33] <athos> well, let's say there is a soname bump in a lib. Ideally the developer performing the upload should communicate stakeholders about the transition and verify the work needed for that (checking reverse deps). After the upload (trigger) the fun starts. no change rebuilds, debuging, verifying dep8 tests, etc
[19:35] <athos> btw, the ubuntu maintainer handbook has a nice page regarding transitions. Before this one was written, I had a hard time finding any docs regarding those (both in debian and in ubuntu): https://github.com/canonical/ubuntu-maintainers-handbook/blob/main/Transitions.md
[19:37] <sil2100> Ok thanks!
[19:37] <sil2100> Any other questions?
[19:38] <sil2100> bdmurray, lucaskanashiro[m, rbasak, teward: ?
[19:38] <sil2100> Or should we move to voting?
[19:38] <rbasak> No questions from me, thanks (because he's a colleague, etc)
[19:38] <lucaskanashiro[m> nothing from me
[19:38] <teward> nothing from me
[19:38] <bdmurray> athos: What kind of change would require a Feature Freeze excaption?
[19:39] <bdmurray> exception
[19:40] <athos> changes introducing new features to a package. e.g., we are on feature freeze and there is a new php minor release, which fixes some important bugs, but introduces a new type as well
[19:41] <bdmurray> What if there was not a new type?
[19:43] <athos> While one could argue there is no new features, only bug fixes, I'd still rather file a FFe since we have a minor version bump and the FFe would also serve the purpose of getting the change reviewed
[19:43] <athos> if it was just a single patch being applied, then I would not file the FFe
[19:44] <bdmurray> Alright, that's it from me.
[19:45] <sil2100> Okay then, let's vote!
[19:46] <sil2100> #vote Athos Ribeiro to become an Ubuntu Core Developer
[19:46] <meetingology> Please vote on: Athos Ribeiro to become an Ubuntu Core Developer
[19:46] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, -1 or +0 in channel (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1|-1|+0 #channelname')
[19:46] <sil2100> +1
[19:46] <meetingology> +1 received from sil2100
[19:46] <lucaskanashiro[m> +1
[19:46] <meetingology> +1 received from lucaskanashiro[m
[19:46] <teward> +1
[19:46] <meetingology> +1 received from teward
[19:47] <bdmurray> +1
[19:47] <meetingology> +1 received from bdmurray
[19:47] <sil2100> #endvote
[19:47] <meetingology> Voting ended on: Athos Ribeiro to become an Ubuntu Core Developer
[19:47] <meetingology> Votes for: 4, Votes against: 0, Abstentions: 0
[19:47] <meetingology> Motion carried
[19:47] <sil2100> athos: congratulations!
[19:47] <rbasak> Congratulations!
[19:47] <sergiodj> athos: yay!
[19:47] <sergiodj> :)
[19:47] <sarnold> congratulations athos :)
[19:47] <athos> thanks! :)
[19:47] <sil2100> #action sil2100 to add athos to the ubuntu-core-dev team
[19:47] <meetingology> ACTION: sil2100 to add athos to the ubuntu-core-dev team
[19:48] <sil2100> #action sil2100 to announce athos's successful application
[19:48] <meetingology> ACTION: sil2100 to announce athos's successful application
[19:48] <sil2100> Okay, let's quickly move on
[19:48] <sil2100> #topic Review of previous action items
[19:49] <sil2100> teward follow up to get all application process wiki/docs to explain the process to be able to edit wiki pages, for applicants who don't yet have wiki edit access (carried over)
[19:49] <sil2100> Is that still ongoing? If yes, let's carry over!
[19:49] <teward> unless someone wants to do that instead, carry over
[19:49] <sil2100> I'll carry over, but anyone with free cycles please feel free to pick this up
[19:50] <sil2100> #action teward follow up to get all application process wiki/docs to explain the process to be able to edit wiki pages, for applicants who don't yet have wiki edit access (carried over)
[19:50] <meetingology> ACTION: teward follow up to get all application process wiki/docs to explain the process to be able to edit wiki pages, for applicants who don't yet have wiki edit access (carried over)
[19:50] <sil2100> #topic Outstanding mailing list requests to assign
[19:50] <sil2100> I don't think we have any?
[19:50] <sil2100> Please correct me if I'm wrong
[19:51] <sil2100> #topic AOB
[19:51] <sil2100> (since no Open TB bugs)
[19:51] <sil2100> Anything we want to talk about?
[19:52] <sil2100> I don't think I have anything
[19:52] <teward> nothing here
[19:52] <sil2100> #endmeeting
[19:52] <meetingology> Meeting ended at 19:52:43 UTC.  Minutes at https://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2022/ubuntu-meeting.2022-08-08-19.21.moin.txt
[19:52] <sil2100> Thank you everyone o/
[19:53] <lucaskanashiro[m> \o
[19:53] <teward> *rolls back into bed*
[19:53] <rbasak> Thank you for chairing!
[19:53] <athos> \o