[00:00] <arraybolt3[m]> Ninten: BitLocker is disk encrypting software built into Windows and enabled by default in some instances.
[00:02] <Ninten> arraybolt3[m], I am not sure if BitLocker existed for windows 7
[00:03] <cbreak> it did
[00:03] <arraybolt3[m]> Ninten: It did, but it's unlikely to be enabled. You might be facing a dynamic disk, though. Can you boot into Windows, then open Disk Management and send a screenshot?
[00:03] <cbreak> I think only in pro
[00:03] <arraybolt3[m]> You can upload the screenshot to Imgur and then paste the link here.
[00:05] <Ninten> arraybolt3[m] just a few minutes
[00:06] <Ninten> arraybolt3[m] Wait, is that really necessary? I have the xubuntu installer open right now showing the partitions
[00:07] <arraybolt3[m]> Ninten: It is. Linux can't see Windows dynamic disks, but they can still get in the way.
[00:08] <sarnold> "windows dynamic disks"?
[00:08] <sarnold> is that part of their "storage spaces" thing? or is that something else?
[00:08] <arraybolt3[m]> sarnold: It's Windows's answer to LVM. They discontinued it in newer versions of Windows but I've seen it mess up at least one user on one of the support channels before.
[00:10] <Ninten> arraybolt3[m], I'll do it. But please bear in mind that I have xubuntu 20.04 installed, maybe it's what is causing the problem
[00:11] <arraybolt3[m]> Ninten: Oh wait, then in that instance nevermind.
[00:11] <arraybolt3[m]> Ninten: So you already have a dualboot and are now trying to install a second copy of xubuntu into a triple-boot?
[00:13] <Ninten> arraybolt3[m], I want to overwrite the current installation of xubuntu, because it only boots on emergency mode after I tried upgrading it to 22.04.1
[00:14] <arraybolt3[m]> Ninten: Ah. OK, then in that instance, you probably want to do manual partitioning. I *think* I know what options will work, but please save yourself from the risk of losing data and back up your whole disk first if you can. If not, I'll leave it to others who know more than me to take it from here so I don't tell you to do something that accidentally nukes your system.
[00:14] <oerheks> Ninten, weird, you would see  replace xubuntu
[00:17] <Ninten> arraybolt3[m], I have a backup of my linux files in another partition of the same disk
[00:18] <arraybolt3[m]> Ninten: That's not enough, you'd want a backup of everything (Windows, Linux, etc.) on a different disk so that if something goes horribly wrong with partitioning you don't lose everything.
[00:18] <arraybolt3[m]> (Really you should always have a backup like this for in the event something goes wrong.)
[00:19] <Ninten> oerheks, I don't see that option
[00:20] <oerheks> maybe next screen, i have no clue where you looking at now
[00:26] <Ninten> oerheks, I'll upload a screenshot to imgur
[00:53] <Ninten> oerheks, https://imgur.com/ddcBLlm https://imgur.com/jSGoNSd
[00:56] <arraybolt3[m]> Ninten: Welp, looks like you, my friend, have found a bug in Ubiquity.
[00:57] <Ninten> arraybolt3[m], I'm speechless
[00:58] <arraybolt3[m]> 'Cause that ain't what is' 'possa do.
[00:58] <arraybolt3[m]> I think you can install onto /dev/sda6 and have everything work at this point, but I don't know for sure what buttons to press to make it happen right.
[00:59] <Ninten> I have some free space (4GB) that I could use for the ESP
[01:00] <nomic> how do i get they keyboard xfce, ubuntu to generate a ascii char that is not on the keyboard
[01:00] <nomic> like 252
[01:00] <nomic> ok i got it
[01:07] <Ninten> Now I can't quit the installation process, it seems
[01:13] <Ninten> But I can shutdown the computer
[01:22] <rickard> do you even need to do partitioning at all
[01:23] <tomreyn> do you even need windows 7 at all? it's been EOL for a good while, i think.
[01:23] <rickard> I think you could like just wipe all the system dirs like /bin /etc. Keep /home then install onto the existing partition.
[01:23] <rickard> just make sure it doesnt delete existing files
[01:34] <Ninten> rickard, I wouldn't know how to do that
[01:35] <Ninten> To be honest, it'd okay if I deleted the home folder as well, because I have a backup in a different partition
[01:36] <Ninten> tomreyn, I like to keep the preinstalled OS, just in case something happens
[01:37] <sarnold> when I bought my most recent laptop, I used a live image to dd | lz4 | ssh foo cat > windows_disk    to keep a copy of the windows that was already there
[01:38] <tomreyn> Ninten: if you don't need to worry about loosing data from the existing ubuntu installation, then you could just boot into the "try ubuntu before you install" mode, run a partitioning tool there, and drop the sda6 partition. then install again.
[01:38] <rickard> But he already has the partition ready
[01:39] <rickard> no need to repartition
[01:39] <rickard> just pick it in the ui
[01:39] <rickard> It should give the option to wipe it right?
[01:40] <tomreyn> i don't remember.
[01:42] <Ninten> tomreyn: To drop a partition is the same as formatting it?
[01:43] <sarnold> "formatting" is a filesystem operation; dropping is removing the partition entry from the partition table, leaving the space blank
[01:44] <tomreyn> Ninten: no, formatting a partition would create a file system on a partition, the installer will do so for you. dropping a partition means you're regaining more unpartitioned disk space, so the installer can choose more freely where to install to.
[01:44] <Ninten> That's an interesting approach
[01:44] <Ninten> Maybe I should try it
[01:46] <Ninten> Is it the way to go?
[01:48] <sarnold> I don't feel like I can give any advice; I don't know the installer well, and I haven't followed along closely what you're trying to do :(
[01:51] <tomreyn> Ninten: i'm in the same boat, haven't really followed along. if you have specific needs / requirements, a summary could help at this point.
[01:53] <tomreyn> but if you're just trying to install ubuntu next to windows, then the above is probably the best choice (after backing up all data).
[01:54] <oerheks> tomreyn,  Ninten wants to replace an existing xubuntu
[01:54] <oerheks> but the installer does not give that option..
 oerheks, https://imgur.com/ddcBLlm https://imgur.com/jSGoNSd
[01:56] <tomreyn> thanks oerheks.
[01:57] <tomreyn> Ninten: so, yes, if you can afford loosing all data from the previous xubuntu installation, then i suggest to proceed as i had suggested (deleting the xubuntu partition and starting the installer)
[01:59] <tomreyn> i shall be off to bed now, though, so good luck, Ninten
[01:59] <Ninten> Thank you tomreyn
[01:59] <oerheks> nn tom
[02:00] <sarnold> gn8 tomreyn
[02:00] <tomreyn> thank you, everyone, have a nice rest of your days as well.
[02:37] <Ninten> This time, I got the "install alonside with windows" option! Such a relief
[02:37] <sarnold> \o/
[02:40] <Ninten> The installation wizard offers to create two partitions, one for xubuntu and one for files. Should I
[02:41] <Ninten> I mean, how much would it be appropriate to allocate to each one?
[02:42] <Guest7437> i love ubuntu thank u mark for creating such a beautiful open humane distro
[02:42] <sarnold> Ninten: it depends a bit on what you're going to do with it, but 60-100 GB for the OS ought to be plenty
[02:43] <Ninten> So 66.4GB to the OS and 72.1GB for the files
[02:44] <sarnold> that feels pretty tight for your own files, heh
[02:45] <oerheks> my gnome install takes less than 20 gb.. with some apps
[02:45] <Ninten> Does 'tight' mean lacking in space?
[02:45] <Guest7437> hi how do i dejitter my cd drive? what kind of power supply should i buy for it? i think this would help me achieve 53x while only being a 52x drive
[02:46] <oerheks> Guest7437, nice try.
[02:46] <Guest7437> on dejittering? yeah i fried one of the cd drives already \:
[02:49] <lotuspsychje> Guest7437: not an ubuntu support question
[02:50] <Guest7437> oh okay i know how to do it in windows just don't know about ubuntu thought ubuntu might be easier since i'd just be able to edit the source code and increase the way the laser moves side to side while also retaining the 52x then going to 53x with capicators
[02:50] <oerheks> haha ... no
[02:51] <oerheks> Guest7437, keep this channel clear for ubunt support, thanks
[02:51] <Guest7437> for windows all ih ad to do was download from fenvis website but their site is really sketchy i thought maybe ubuntu could help but i suppose not
[02:51] <Guest7437> is there a way to run fenvi driver in ubuntu?
[02:51] <Ninten> 24GB for Xubuntu, then; 114.5GB for the files
[02:52] <Guest7437> Ninten: please keep this channel for ubuntu only, #xubuntu
[02:58] <Ninten> "The following partitions are going to be formatted: partition #8 of SCSI1 (0,0,0) (sda) as ESP; partition #9 of SCSI1 (0,0,0) (sda) as ext4" Is this correct? I feel like it could wipe the entire disk (sda)
[03:38] <mybalzitch> last one, yep
[04:21] <Ninten> So, everyone, after many hours, with lots of patience, Xubuntu is finally installed in my machine. Thank you so much to everyone who was there reading and answering my questions, commenting, or discussing the subject! I wouldn't have made it if it weren't for your tireless support. Once again, thank you
[04:22] <Ninten> Good night
[04:23] <yippeekaiyay99> Has anyone recently experienced an issue where gnome-software center requires root to run? I have been running it years without root and now I have to start it in the terminal with sudo gnome-software to pull up the GUI ...
[04:31] <oerheks> gnome-software is not installed standard
[04:35] <yippeekaiyay99>  well, snap wasn't working so I installed it. It's the only software manager I could find that's working right now
[04:36] <yippeekaiyay99> I had to remove snap
[04:36] <yippeekaiyay99> Really, I should just use apt ... but it's nice to have a gui sometimes
[04:37] <enigma9o7[m]> plasma-discover should be working too.   for gnome-software, dunno why its not working right for you, but if `pkexec gnome-software` works you could update your desktop file to do that
[04:37] <oerheks> in 22.04 it is called snap=store
[04:38] <enigma9o7[m]> really you shouldn't be calling gui app with sudo anyway, it may have borked some permissions
[04:38] <oerheks> synaptic wants sudo, AFAIK
[04:39] <enigma9o7[m]> syn=aptic should also be launched with pkexec
[04:40] <oerheks> without sudo, it ask for your password, easy
[05:49] <hiya> can we do ubuntu netinstall with vanilla gnome?
[05:49] <hiya> I do not want anything unity
[06:08] <Linkandzelda> How do I access the menu where I can enter custom boot commands on the 20.04.4 live ISO? Esc key like debian does nothing?
[06:37] <vai_> Hi, how do I disable image processing on apport process, GNOME Desktop ?
[06:38] <vai_> Seems to be automated, and executes if the gnome desktop is disabled.
[06:38] <vai_> *still executes
[06:38] <vai_> I am reading https://askubuntu.com/questions/93457/how-do-i-enable-or-disable-apport
[06:39] <vai_> sudo systemctl disable apport.service
[06:39] <vai_> done
[08:59] <Rodon> does ubuntu minimal iso come officially ? specially a person who uses only suckless stuff (dwm.st.dmenu.......)...
[08:59] <murmel> there is no minimal iso?
[09:00] <Rodon> i think earlier it had...  now i dont see.it
[09:01] <murmel> Rodon: are you talking about mini.iso?
[09:01] <Rodon> yes
[09:01] <murmel> Rodon: it's not getting built anymore. and those were for ipxe (at least on debian)
[09:01] <Rodon> ok
[09:08] <ogra> it was never a supported install medium either ... it is just fallout of building debian-installer which was finally dropped ... the install you got with it was not really ubuntu but ubuntu packages with debian defaults and settings ... kind of a "frankenbuntu"
[09:10] <murmel> ogra: huh? good to know. as I installed back then also ubuntu a few times with that
[09:32] <GuiToris> hello, how can I open 'Application Shortcuts' from the terminal?
[10:24] <guiverc> murmel, read the bottom of https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD for details on minimal/mini ISO, but you've spoken to source of that content already ^
[11:25] <gneeriiloeepdeer> to the ops in the room, the ones offering technical support: do you get paid or this is something you do simply for the cause?
[11:35] <ravage> gneeriiloeepdeer, nobody gets paid here for IRC support. some members are affiliated with Ubuntu/Canocial. all volunteers here. op or not
[11:37] <gneeriiloeepdeer> then you guys are great
[12:22] <c_89> If I install a persistent live linux distribution on a USB flash drive and make/save changes, 1) can I start that distribution on a PC with different hardware? 2) Can I install the distribution on HDD ignoring the changes so as if it were a non-persistent live distribution?
[12:38] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[12:39] <wez> oh hi BluesKaj
[12:39] <BluesKaj> hi wez
[12:39] <wez> sup BluesKaj! What's the latest?
[12:40] <BluesKaj> not much yet, just relaxing with morning coffee, how about you, wez?
[12:58] <wez> BluesKaj: It's nearly Sunday, so I am drinking a single malt
[13:07] <BluesKaj> ahh, nice
[13:08] <wez> Yup
[13:08] <wez> tastey
[14:23] <bitblit_> hey I'm trying to upgrade from 21.10 with do-release-upgrade, it's telling me to update first. apt update tells me impish does not have a Release file. stuck.
[14:25] <Hash> That wont' work.
[14:25] <Hash> bitblit_: upgrades from do-release-upgrade are for nornmal or lts
[14:26] <Hash> AFAIK
[14:27] <Hash> https://askubuntu.com/questions/1420190/upgrade-to-22-04-impish-release-no-longer-has-a-release-file
[14:27] <Hash> Oh so it seems that you are trying to update impuish first, and it has no more updates available
[14:28] <Hash> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades
[14:28] <Hash> do-release-upgrade does the following: diable 3rd party apt repositories, update, system, install new release, etc.
[14:28] <Hash> you can do this manually in /etc/apt/sources.list
[14:28] <Hash> Change to jammy, disable third party repositories, and update.
[14:36] <bitblit_> Hash: thanks, looks like that may be working! updating now..
[14:37] <bitblit_> Hash: thought I always upgraded that way before.
[14:43] <tomreyn> bitblit_: that's not how you should be upgrading ubuntu, normally, because you'll miss out on post upgrade steps that the normal upgrader applies. however, when you don't upgrade in time and run into end-of-life, this is the only option you have left.
[14:43] <tomreyn> other than a fresh install, which can be a better option
[14:47] <bitblit_> tomreyn: sorry but what's the normal upgrader? i switched to sway a while back, maybe not seeing some notification..
[14:48] <bitblit_> or do you mean run do-release-upgrade before EOL next time?
[14:48] <Hash> Yes
[14:48] <Hash> Last one you said.
[14:48] <Hash> Or.
[14:48] <Hash> You can just use LTS always.
[14:49] <Hash> Just upgrade from one LTS to another LTS
[14:49] <tomreyn> bitblit_: yes, do-release-upgrade or upgrade-manager -c    would be the supported upgrade path
[14:49] <bitblit_> thanks!
[14:50] <tomreyn> and yes, there are notifications on both desktop and tty
[14:52] <ogra> if you run an eol release, change the server address in your sources.list to "old-releases.ubuntu.com" ... ten do a normal apt update && apt full-upgrade, then roun do-release-upgrade, that gets you to the new release... everything else will produce a broken install
[14:52] <ogra> *never ever* just edit your sources.list to the next release ... !!!
[14:52] <Hash> Dont' say never ever.
[14:52] <ogra> wll, it produces a broken install
[14:52] <Hash> Not always.
[14:52] <ogra> *well
[14:53] <ogra> always
[14:53] <Hash> Sometimes this is the only option you have.
[14:53] <ogra> nope
[14:53] <ogra> +see bove
[14:53] <Hash> Which is why, do timly updates.
[14:53] <Hash> timely*
[14:53] <ogra> this is why we put old releases to the ole-releases.ubuntu.com server
[14:53] <ogra> *old-releases.ubuntu.com
[14:54] <ogra> just changing sources.list definitely misses all transitional scripts, all migrations and just creates a mess, never do this
[14:54] <Hash> It does not.
[14:54] <ogra> geez
[14:54] <Hash> You can talk about the supported upgrade methods for people, but there isn't any reason to create needless FUD
[14:55] <tomreyn> ogra: whoops, thanks for pointing this out, i didn't read thoroughly.
[14:55] <ogra> i'm talking about wht happens if you leave the path of supported upgrades ... it creates a broken install that is not supportable and will likely musbehave in many places
[14:55] <Hash> It really does not.
[14:55] <Hash> Have you ever actually done it
[14:56] <Hash> Or are you just saying what 'might' happen?
[14:56] <ogra> Hash, i'm developing ubuntu since 18y ... and i have seen all possible breakage and fallour you could see in this time
[14:56] <ogra> *fallout
[14:56] <Hash> Based on what? Have you actually tried it? Because I have, multiple times, and it's been fine. I'm not recommending it, but ...
[14:56] <ogra> seriously, never just edit your sources.list
[14:56] <Hash> Man, I've used Debian since 2000. Linux since 1994. I'll be alright.
[14:57] <Hash> I have maintained packages in the past, and I mean. Just stop man.
[14:57] <Hash> Please.
[14:57] <ogra> i dont care what *you* do ... i *do* care what advise you give to people asking here
[14:57] <ogra> feel free to break your own install as you like
[14:57] <Hash> What did I advise to people?
[14:57] <Hash> Exactly what the page said.
[14:57] <ogra> to edit sources.list to jammy ... see above
[14:57] <Hash> If you should persist, I will simply block you.
[14:57] <Hash> I've asked you tos top and you don't stop.
[14:58] <Hash> When someone asks you to stop and you you continue, then that's abuse.
[14:58] <ogra> Hash, you are giving ill advise ... (and do not listen when asked to stop or admit your error ...)
[14:58] <Hash> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades If you'd like to update the documentation here and say never do this, that's fine.
[14:59] <MICROburst> Why is the login shell in ubuntu kept from executing /etc/profile?
[14:59] <tomreyn> Hash: ogra just told you they're an Ubuntu *developer* for 18 years, they should know what breakage can occur when we do  <Hash> Change to jammy, disable third party repositories, and update.
[14:59] <Hash> Madam, I'm simply repeating what was on the page, as paraphrase.
[15:00] <Hash> If you'd like to update the actual documentation page so people reading it won't paraphrase what you don't want them to
[15:00] <ogra> Hash, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades#Update_sources.list ...
[15:00] <Hash> Then please update the documentation.
[15:00] <ogra> the documentation is correct
[15:00] <tomreyn> Hash: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades points to "old-releases.ubuntu.com"
[15:00] <Hash> And does it not specifically state, change sources list?
[15:00] <Hash> I'm sure I know how to read English.
[15:00] <Hash> What have I missed?
[15:00] <ogra> to old-releases.ubuntu.com ...
[15:00] <Hash> Pray tell.
[15:01] <ogra> *not* to jammy ...
[15:01] <Hash> Change to jammy, disable third party repositories, and update
[15:01] <ogra> you only change the server name and keep your release name intact
[15:01] <Hash> Is this what you had an issue with?
[15:01] <ogra> yes
[15:01] <ogra> thsi is breaking the install
[15:01] <Hash> This came after the update.
[15:02] <Hash> It is not breaking the install as you're a bit too over zealous in this whole thing.
[15:02] <ogra> do-release-update exists for a reason and has many transitional things it does
[15:02] <Hash> You have missed the chain of events, and have latched on to one thing you want to make an issue about
[15:02] <Hash> First thing in the morning, this is now what I'm looking to do.
[15:02] <Hash> Have a great day.
[15:02] <Hash> not*
[15:03] <ogra> Hash, well, just listen to advise next time instead of starting an argument ...
[15:03] <Hash> I'll do as I please.
[15:03] <Hash> If you dislike that, feel free to ban me.
[15:03] <Hash> I'm not trying to get hassled by you or anyone.
[15:04] <ogra> iÄm ot trying to hassle you either... but if you give ill advise i'll point that out so we do not end up having an unsupportable user coming back with issues
[15:04] <ogra> *i'm not ...
[15:04] <Hash> I did not give ill advice.
[15:04] <Hash> In your opinion, that's ill advice.
[15:04] <ogra> you did ...
[15:04] <Hash> I'm not responsible for your perception.
[15:05] <Hash> Sir.
[15:05] <tomreyn> Hash: just changing to the new release name is bad advice.
[15:05] <Hash> I dind't say that.
[15:05] <Hash> Did you even read?
[15:05] <Hash> Or did you jus tlatch on to something you can make a public poitn/argument about?
[15:05] <ogra> "<Hash> Change to jammy, disable third party repositories, and update."
[15:06] <tomreyn> that would be bad advice
[15:06] <ogra> this is what you said ... not making it up 🙂
[15:06] <Hash> Post updates on EOL release version.
[15:06] <Hash> Past the updates, it's the same, what I described what it does.
[15:06] <ogra> nope
[15:06] <ogra> nt the same
[15:06] <ogra> do-release-update or the graphical update-manager is the next step
[15:07] <Hash> I can't even with some people and their reading/comprehension ability.
[15:08] <Hash> Oh I see my error.
[15:08] <Hash> I confused the names. My bad.
[15:08] <Hash> I was paraphrasing the page, and it literally said to update to the EOL version and how to do it
[15:08] <Hash> I typed jammy instead of whatever it was.
[15:08] <tomreyn> impish
[15:08] <Hash> That's it.
[15:09] <Hash> Looks like I can't even with my own typing ability
[15:09] <Hash> Which is why I'm confused as to I'm literally paraphrasing the page and the guy has an issue with it.
[15:09] <ogra> well, it is fine to make mistakes, just dont do it again ... (and dont directly go into confrontation when someone tries to correct you, we're all just here to help in the end)
[15:09] <tomreyn> MICROburst: /etc/profile is not meant to be executed
[15:10] <Hash> ogra: as far as I was concerned, i never realized I typed jammy instead of impish.
[15:10] <ogra> no worries 🙂
[15:10] <Hash> Also, I am a very confrontational and argumentative person.
[15:10] <Hash> That's not going to change simply becuase you ask.
[15:16] <tomreyn> well, this could indeed result in you being removed here in a repeat event.
[15:16] <Hash> Oh well then.
[15:16] <Hash> Banishment and threats is not how you get along with people or change behaviors.
[15:16] <Hash> Perhaps one day when you figure out how to mod a community, you know... then it'll be alright.
[15:17] <Hash> Until then I and many others will have to suffer a lack of proper moderation.
[15:17] <Hash> Good day.
[15:19] <tomreyn> i recommend to read https://ubuntu.com/community/code-of-conduct some day, it has some good advice.
[15:19] <tomreyn> (and is part of the guidelines we have here, as part of forming a community over many years)
[15:21] <tomreyn> Hash: ^ and the guidelines themselves are posted on the channel /topic
[15:21] <Hash> So, most of the things in there are extremely subjective.
[15:21] <Hash> What maybe impolite to one may not be to another.
[15:21] <Hash> Who decides? Are you the judge of our social morlaity as an @? Who decides?
[15:21] <tomreyn> Hash: this is not the right place to discuss them.
[15:22] <Hash> Then don't link it here.
[15:22] <Hash> Feel free to msg me.
[15:23] <tomreyn> Linking to them is part of channel moderation, we like to let you know what you should have read when you joined the channel.
[15:23] <Hash> Fair.
[15:23] <Hash> Just not up for discussion in public. Only up for disucssion behind close doors?
[15:23] <tomreyn> There are public mailing lists for this purpose
[15:24] <Hash> Seems needless to blow it up to those proportions.
[15:24] <MICROburst> tomreyn: why not?
[15:24] <tomreyn> see lists.ubuntu.com. and that'S the last bis i'll explain here.
[15:24] <tomreyn> *bit
[15:24] <tomreyn> MICROburst: well, why would it?
[15:25] <tomreyn> MICROburst: most files in /etc are configuration files, not meant to be executed
[15:25] <MICROburst> tomreyn: It's not optional for a LOGIN shell!
[15:27] <Hash> I'm not intersted. I don't need codes of conduct imposed upon me. I'm a grown man and I knwo exactly how to comport myself with dignity and self respect. Being confronatational doesn't mean you are against the CoC. I don't need people I have no idea about, trying to police my behavior. You will as a man of reason or unreason will do as you see fit, like I will do as I see fit. If your goal is to
[15:27] <Hash> make some sort of public example of me and that helps you put your foot down, please have at it. I have no issues with whatever happens. I know that I'm a very good human being, and I do not require your or anyone's approval. Thank you and have a wonderful day. This is also the last bit I'm saying. Done.
[15:27] <MICROburst> tomreyn: From "man bash":  --noprofile
[15:27] <MICROburst>               Do not read either the system-wide startup file /etc/profile or any of the personal initialization files ~/.bash_profile, ~/.bash_login, or ~/.profile.  By default, bash reads these files when it is invoked  as  a  login  shell  (see
[15:27] <MICROburst>               INVOCATION below).
[15:30] <tomreyn> Hash: the channel topic tells you you are being policed in here.if that's not compatible with the amount of freedom you require (at other peoples' expense), then please leave now.
[15:32] <Hash> What does Ubuntu mean?
[15:32] <tomreyn> MICROburst: "reads those files", and i guess it effectively executes them, too, but the file is not marked as executable, because it is not generally meant to be executed.
[15:32] <throatwobblerman> hi new person here. is this the correct channel to post questions regarding upgrading from Ubuntu 21.10 to 22.04?
[15:33] <rexar89> hello everyone
[15:34] <tomreyn> throatwobblerman: sure
[15:35] <tomreyn> throatwobblerman: 21.10 is already end of life, you're need to do an EOL upgrade. read this guide carefully: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades
[15:36] <throatwobblerman> When I run the command "sudo sudo apt update" I'm getting errors like this "Err:4 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu impish Release no longer has release file" ==> 404  and the "sudo sudo apt update" fails. I'm having a look a @tomreyn post....
[15:37] <throatwobblerman> yes on EOL that's why I want to move off it... :-)
[15:41] <tomreyn> throatwobblerman: if you have more questions on it after reading the guide, you're welcome to ask.
[15:45] <MICROburst> tomreyn: How Linux experience do you have? The /etc/profile stuff works like a charm on Debian, Fedora or CentOS
[15:45] <zintax> dd-disk-1654222174.img
[15:47] <tomreyn> MICROburst: maybe i'm misunderstanding what you are trying to achieve, or which issue you're trying to solve. can you rephrase it?
[15:49] <gneeriiloeepdeer> locate command shows a pdf file I just edited and disappeared from the gui. how do I recover this pdf file?
[15:49] <ogra> MICROburst, the profile file is sourced by the shell during login to set defaults, but nothing is executed ... (but only for bash and compatible shells)
[15:49] <gneeriiloeepdeer> as it sounds: the file is to be seen in the cli using the locate file, but on the gui, the file is gone
[15:49] <MICROburst> tomreyn: During a cloud-init install a file is put in /etc/profile.d All files in this directory are source (see end of /etc/profile). Although the shell is a login shell nothing is sourced.
[15:49] <ogra> and particulary /etc/profile only sources the files from /etc/profile.d
[15:50] <MICROburst> ogra: did you read my last msg?
[15:51] <ogra> what do you mean by "nothing is sourced" ? it definitely should ... how do you determine that "nothing is sourced" ?
[15:51] <tomreyn> gneeriiloeepdeer: you can search for the current location of the file using "find", or run the "updatedb" command to update the "locate" database.
[15:52] <MICROburst> ogra: The afore mentioned file changes the prompt when being executed. "sourcing" effectively works as reading and excuting.
[15:52] <tomreyn> MICROburst: you asked about "execute" initially, i guess that's what made me state what i did.
[15:54] <throatwobblerman> tomreyn the link you provided worked like a charm! :-)
[15:54] <ravage> !cookie tomreyn
[15:54] <zintax> funny - Murphy is here
[15:54] <ravage> !cookie | tomreyn
[15:54] <tomreyn> hehe, thanks ravage
[15:55] <tomreyn> MICROburst: are the files you placed in /etc/profile.d root-owned, and readable?
[15:55] <MICROburst> What, if not "execute" is when you echo 'echo "hello world"' > /tmp/bla; source /tmp/bla
[15:55]  * ogra blames ravage for being responsible for all the overweight of supporters in this channel 🙂
[15:55] <MICROburst> tomreyn: yes
[15:55] <ravage> :)
[15:55] <tomreyn> MICROburst: "source"
[15:55] <tomreyn> very similar, slightly different
[15:56] <throatwobblerman> In  /apt/etc/sources.list I added
[15:56] <throatwobblerman> ## Adding these repositories to aid in "sudo apt upgarde" prior
[15:56] <throatwobblerman> ## to go from 21.10 to 22.04
[15:56] <throatwobblerman> ## EOL upgrade sources.list
[15:56] <throatwobblerman> # Required
[15:56] <throatwobblerman> deb http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ impish main restricted universe multiverse
[15:56] <MICROburst> tomreyn: "source"?
[15:57] <tomreyn> MICROburst: https://superuser.com/questions/176783/what-is-the-difference-between-executing-a-bash-script-vs-sourcing-it
[15:58] <tomreyn> throatwobblerman: please don't paste into the channel, use dpaste.com or similar
[15:58] <throatwobblerman> my oops just read the past drone message - won't happen again
[15:58] <tomreyn> throatwobblerman: we did not see most of what you posted here previously, but you can talk again now, and post a link to where you posted your output online.
[15:59] <throatwobblerman> got it . thanks
[15:59] <tomreyn> zintax: do you have an ubuntu support question?
[16:01] <MICROburst> tomreyn: You're contradicting yourself: about 30 mins ago you wanted to have the files in question to be marked as 'executable', but according to your link this would spawn a subshell are therefore have to impact on the login shell's environment
[16:01] <zintax> only bash things
[16:03] <ogra> MICROburst, nobody "wanted (or wants) to have the file executable" ... you claimed they are executed and that caused some confusion ... what is your issue exactly ? prifile is surely sourced and used during login ... if you put something into profile.d that is not working, lets look how to fix it ...
[16:03] <ogra> *profile
[16:03] <tomreyn> MICROburst: i'm not infallible, so that's entirely possible. i don't see where i stated that "the files in question [should be] marked as 'executable'", though.
[16:07] <tomreyn> zintax: if you have an ubuntu support related question, just ask. if you have questions on bash specifically, there is also #bash, which may be a better place to ask.
[16:16] <MICROburst> ogra: The problem is that the login shell does not behave like described in the man(ual): /etc/profile is not executed and the file in /etc/profile.d not sourced. Works for Debian and others but not for Ubuntu
[16:16] <zintax> do you need .profile ?
[16:17] <zintax> and does it reside in ~/ ?
[16:20] <zintax> and there is .bashrc called by .profile
[16:20] <throatwobblerman> .profile is not needed but it's a good idea b/c it sets up env varialbes. if using bash you can use .bash_profile and it does reside in ~/ (home) directory by convention
[16:20] <ravage> MICROburst, https://p.haxxors.com/1t3w42tv.txt
[16:21] <gneeriiloeepdeer> what command can I use to save selected pages of a 7k pages pdf file? I need the first 2k
[16:22] <ravage> this is a bit more condensed: https://p.haxxors.com/2k0gt7tm.txt
[16:23] <ravage> gneeriiloeepdeer, https://askubuntu.com/questions/221962/how-can-i-extract-a-page-range-a-part-of-a-pdf
[16:24] <tomreyn> gneeriiloeepdeer: i just eded up on the same page, after searching the web for: linux split pdf file pages
[16:24] <ravage> took almost 10 seonds
[16:24] <ravage> seconds
[16:26] <tomreyn> oh pdftk is now pdftk-java apparently.
[16:28] <InPhase> tomreyn: Oh, is the pdftk-java in now.  Good.  I had been manually setting up pdftk-java for a while after that package disappeared.
[16:29] <tomreyn> InPhase: in universe, since at least 18.04 apparently. pdftk transitions to it.
[16:31] <throatwobblerman> gneeriiloeepdeer check out pdfseparate
[16:31] <MICROburst> ravage: does it work when you relogin as root? On my machine relogin and/or "bash --login" do not work while "source /etc/profile" does.
[16:33] <gneeriiloeepdeer> I used pdftk to extract the pages, but I still need the index for those pages... any idea?
[16:37] <ravage> MICROburst, https://p.haxxors.com/hs1v53mw.txt
[16:41] <jhutchins> Most installations include a PDF pseudo-printer that will save "print" output to PDF.  You could use this to "print" the page range.
[16:47] <MICROburst> ravage: ty. In the meantime I found out that for some reason an extra 'cd' is required to let the re-defined prompt appear. Odd.
[16:56] <InPhase> tomreyn: I think the first 18.04 release was the one where it disappeared on me.  But maybe it came back on 18.04.1 or something under a different name and I didn't notice, since I had swapped to using the upstream source at that point.
[16:57] <Guest92> does nouveau has settings ubuntu 22.04
[16:57] <Guest92> I'm using opensource drivers to use kvm
[17:02] <tomreyn> InPhase: oh, you're right, it's not in 18.04: https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=pdftk
[17:30] <Guest92> I installed windows 11
[17:30] <Guest92> on kvm ubuntu 22.04
[17:31] <Guest92> nvidia drivers opensource nouveau
[17:31] <Guest92> I can't install them on windows
[17:31] <Guest92> it says that this version of windows is not supported
[17:31] <Guest92> when website claims it is
[17:31] <Guest92> I have gtx1650ti
[17:38] <tomreyn> Guest92: hi there
[17:47] <ravage> Guest1670, if you run a virtual mashine you cant use the nvidia driver. it will emulate a GPU. usually the virtio drivers is what you are looking for. https://fedorapeople.org/groups/virt/virtio-win/direct-downloads/archive-virtio/virtio-win-0.1.221-1/virtio-win-0.1.221.iso
[17:47] <ravage> https://www.linux-kvm.org/page/Virtio
[17:49] <ravage> too late again. i should really enable join/parts
[17:52] <w34pwn> lol they always leave
[17:53] <Guest92> anybody knows if laptop with name Nitro-AN515-44 can be used in virtualization using kvm?
[17:54] <tomreyn> wohoo, Guest92 is back!
[17:54] <Guest92> I tried installing nvidia driver on it (guest windows 11) and it failed
[17:54] <Guest92> it's an AMD laptop
[17:54] <tomreyn> quoting ravage: if you run a virtual machine you cant use the nvidia driver. it will emulate a GPU. usually the virtio drivers is what you are looking for. https://fedorapeople.org/groups/virt/virtio-win/direct-downloads/archive-virtio/virtio-win-0.1.221-1/virtio-win-0.1.221.iso
[17:54] <tomreyn> https://www.linux-kvm.org/page/Virtio
[17:54] <Guest92> yeah I had that
[17:55] <Guest92> it means that it already
[17:55] <Guest92> had full effiency?
[17:55] <Guest92> I saw this video where dude just installed nvidia driver on top of that
[17:55] <tomreyn> if you have a single GPU then you can only assign that to one system at a time
[17:56] <tomreyn> you may be referring to https://github.com/gnif/LookingGlass
[17:57] <Guest92> https://www.acer.com/ac/en/GB/content/model/NH.Q9HEK.001
[17:58] <Guest92> so
[17:59] <Guest92> I have ryzen 5 thought
[17:59] <Guest92> and regular red keyboard
[18:00] <h4k1m0u> Hi, I have a tv (incl. a speaker) plugged via hdmi to my ubuntu 20.04 machine. Each time I put my laptop to sleep, tv speaker doesn't appear anymore on pavucontrol. Is anyone having similar issues with GStreamer?
[18:00] <Guest92> so I don't need nvidia driver on top of virtio
[18:00] <Guest92> ?
[18:00] <Guest92> how do I check perfomance, it seemed way too laggy for gpu passtrought
[18:01] <tomreyn> Guest92: i think the ryzen 4800H has integrated graphics. so there is a chance that you can use that for the host system (ubuntu) and pass through the nvidia to the guest (windows)
[18:01] <Guest92> maybe 11 windows is a problem
[18:01] <Guest92> cause in video dude did this on gtx 1080
[18:04] <tomreyn> Guest92: well possible, "secure boot" may well get in the way of vfio
[18:06] <tomreyn> Guest92: this looks like you could give it a try https://mathiashueber.com/passthrough-windows-11-vm-ubuntu-22-04/
[18:08] <Guest92> https://getlabsdone.com/how-to-install-windows-11-on-kvm/
[18:08] <Guest92> I did it this way
[18:09] <tomreyn> this does not seem to cover GPU passthrough
[18:10] <ravage> what do you need the GPU for in windows? gaming? all the games i run work fine on Ubuntu nowadays :)
[18:10] <Guest92> pci
[18:10] <Guest92> nice
[18:10] <Guest92> did not know
[18:13] <tomreyn> see protondb.com
[18:16] <tomreyn> amd lutris for a better frontend to multiple vendor shops / game launchers / front ends (and overcoming the lack thereof).
[18:16] <tomreyn> *aNd
[18:16] <ravage> and you can just use steam directly for the games you have on there anyway
[18:20] <Guest92> my type of games has always been
[18:20] <Guest92> others
[18:20] <Guest92> and I can
[18:21] <Jackson> Hi
[18:21] <luna__> hi
[18:21] <Guest92> first of all, I'm into making games or modification of games
[18:32] <Usuka> Hi. Where I can find drivers for Ergo W02 4G stick?
[18:33] <tomreyn> Usuka: what'S the [XXXX:XXXX] ID from "lsusb"?
[18:35] <tomreyn> also provide the "Rev #" if one is given
[18:37] <Usuka> I don't have this stick now, it's in service center.
[18:38] <ravage> then please come back when you have the device. support is almost impossible without it
[18:38] <ravage> damn. so close this time.
[18:38] <tomreyn> indeed
[18:38] <tomreyn> even twice
[18:39] <oerheks> when you have that Ergo stick, plug it in, and see what happens..
[18:39] <tomreyn> Usuka: also, its vendor claims linux support, so you might also want to ask them about how to use it.
[18:39] <Guest92> if I have pci in qemu added I will be able to instal nvidia driver
[18:40] <oerheks> our docs to get 4G working; https://ubuntu.com/core/docs/networkmanager/configure-cellular-connections
[18:40] <tomreyn> Guest92: is this a statement?
[18:40] <Guest92> question sorry
[18:41] <ravage> if you manage to pass through your GPU hardware to the VM then you can probably install the driver for it yes
[18:41] <tomreyn> Guest92: gpu passthrough takes more than pci passthrough. and even pci passthrough takes more than just having a virtual pci bridge on the virtualized system
[18:42] <tomreyn> Guest92: did you see the tutorial i pointed you to earlier?
[18:43] <coconut> Usuka, website from ergo says ubuntu is supported, have you asked them?
[18:43] <ravage> i think he has not even tried it yet
 our docs to get 4G working; https://ubuntu.com/core/docs/networkmanager/configure-cellular-connections
[18:43] <ravage> im alomost sure it will just work when he plugs it in. maybe he has to use modeswitch. but we can check that when he has the device
[18:44] <bitblit_> I'm upgrading another system now, from 21.04 using the EOL upgrade process. do-release-upgrade fails with this in the apt.log: WARNING Can't mark 'ubuntu-desktop' for upgrade (E:Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.)
[18:44] <oerheks> coconut, without the decvice present, too soon to fix things :-D
[18:44] <Guest92> https://pastebin.pl/view/422ed946
[18:44] <Usuka> I had this siuation: I've putted into my PC this stick, but it doesn't work. Because of tis I'm asking help
[18:46] <Guest92> https://pastebin.pl/view/33c04621
[18:46] <tomreyn> Usuka:if your PC was running Ubuntu at the time, and you remember date and time of when you did, then you can review the system logs at this this time using the "journalctl" command
[18:47] <tomreyn> Usuka: it will also show the IDs I provided
[18:47] <jhutchins> Usuka: You need to have access to the system with the stick plugged in for us to see what it's doing and what it needs.
[18:47] <tomreyn> yes, they need a better internet connection
[18:47] <jhutchins> tomreyn: Maybe that's what the stick is for.
[18:48] <tomreyn> i'm guessing so
[18:49] <Usuka> Logs say nothing about usb devices connected last 3 days
[18:49] <Guest92> tomreyn https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVDUs019IB8
[18:49] <Usuka> Maybe device is not working
[18:49] <Guest92> this dude installs nvidia driver inside too
[18:50] <tomreyn> Guest92: nice, then maybe you can do it, too
[18:50] <Usuka> Ooooohhh, so many vibes with those drivers on Kali Linux...
[18:52] <Usuka> I've needed to reinstall those drivers and reconf them after every reboot
[18:52] <Usuka> Fucking Kali )))
[18:53] <tomreyn> Usuka: please mind the language, and note this channel is for Ubuntu support, not Kali.
[18:53] <Usuka> Okay
[19:02] <Usuka> bitblit_: what are full logs? Try to use your usb bootable with newer Ubuntu version and try to upgrade using it. You won't lose your data
[19:06] <bitblit_> Usuka: I may try upgrading that way, thx.
[19:09] <oerheks> Usaka so you are running kali, and have that 4G thingy not present..?
[19:10] <oerheks> lolz
[19:10] <Gerowen> Long time Debian user who hasn't messed with Ubuntu in a long time.  Question.  Does Ubuntu work well with GPU accelerated tasks like say, mining crypto or video decoding?  I had games working well enough, mostly, on Debian, but never got OpenCL working.  If I've got an older Polaris GPU like an RX 480, is that a feature that works in Ubuntu without too much hassle?
[19:12] <Guest92> tomreyn nvidia package manager says that driver is not compatible with operating system
[19:13] <Guest92> why on earth it write down windows 11 on website of nvidia
[19:14] <tomreyn> Guest92: i'm not sure i'm following, which ubuntu version are you trying to get support with, and what's the problem?
[19:14] <Guest92> 22.04
[19:14] <Guest92> as a host
[19:14] <Guest92> win 11 as a guest
[19:15] <tomreyn> and the ubuntu issue you're trying to solve is?
[19:16] <Guest92> idnk using virt-manager
[19:17] <tomreyn> i'm afraid this is not really something i can help with.
[19:19] <murmel> Gerowen: as I assume you want to use the pro driver, you are perfectly fine with ubuntu, as that's an officially supported distro by amd
[19:19] <oerheks> that guide https://mathiashueber.com/passthrough-windows-11-vm-ubuntu-22-04/  says you need to start in Xorg, not wayland.
[19:19] <Usuka> oerheks: I'm not running Kali now!
[19:20] <Gerowen> murmel: I'm just using whatever comes with Ubuntu out of the box.  I also use the system to game on and thought about maybe letting it mine some crypto when I'm not playing a game on it.
[19:20] <tomreyn> Gerowen: i've done opencl with mesa-opencl-icd with ubuntu 18.04 and RX 580 some years ago. this seemed to work at acceptable speed for etherium mining (which i did just to test whether it could work).
[19:20] <oerheks> and a lot of steps is needed, before you can install nvidia.(on windows 11)
[19:21] <murmel> Gerowen: you would need to install opencl stuff, which is only on the pro driver (which means you would need to install only the opncl stuff of the pro driver). _if_ your minining uses opencl (very very likely)
[19:22] <tomreyn> !info mesa-opencl-icd
[19:22] <Gerowen> tomreyn: Ok, I'll tinker with it.  I host a Plex server and I "think" OpenCL could also be used to accelerate video encode/decode can't it?  All non critical, but I noticed that with Debian, even with the backports kernel and non-free firmware-linux packages, certain games wouldn't work well or at all, while others were great, but with Ubuntu they all work fine, so there's obviously some difference in the available firmware package versions between
[19:22] <Gerowen> Debian stable backports and Ubuntu 22.04.
[19:23] <Usuka> !info irssi
[19:24] <tomreyn> Gerowen: i don't think you'd do video encode / decode through opencl, but i'm not too much into it myself.
[19:26] <oerheks>  RX 480 may need amdgpu-pro nonfree from their website?
[19:26] <tomreyn> Gerowen: updating linux-firmware on debian should be easy. my guess would be on a newer mesa version, maybe newer amdgpu version, making the difference.
[19:27] <tomreyn> i don't think you need/want amdgpu-pro
[19:27]  * xu-irc3w Rolls a 6 sided dice and gets 6
[19:27] <oerheks> !ot | xu-irc3w
[19:28] <morganu> 20.04 this installing signal with apt: this does not work. -- It write to stdout and hangs.   -->  https://itsfoss.com/install-signal-ubuntu/
[19:29] <xu-irc3w> hello all,   I've set up my keyboard to tile windows...   although, I use dual monitors and when I try to tile a window across the monitors... it doesn't work... any advice regarding this? Thanks
[19:30] <oerheks> morganu, install the snap https://snapcraft.io/signal-desktop
[19:30] <tomreyn> morganu: you probably missed to paste the trainling -
[19:30] <oerheks> if that does not work, contact the maintainer
[19:30] <tomreyn> *trailing
[19:31] <Gerowen> Alright one other question and I'll shut up for a bit.  I've noticed that there's some setting with resolved that's different from Debian.  DNS works fine, but I host a PiHole and even though the PiHole blocking is working, I'm unable to resolve local DNS names for devices like the home server, and it seems that resolved is basically using localhost as its own DNS server for that kind of thing, despite the fact that network manager correctly shows my
[19:31] <Gerowen> PiHole as the DNS server.  What's the "proper" way to use the PiHole even for local DNS resolution without breaking anything?  I've noticed that /run/systemd/resolve/resolv.conf shows my PiHole, but /etc/resolv.conf shows the loopback address.  Can I just replace /etc/resolv.conf with a symlink to /run/systemd/resolve/resolv.conf without making anything explode?
[19:31] <xu-irc3w> Oh okay... I'll try the snap then... thank you
[19:31] <tomreyn> morganu: of this line:   wget -O- https://updates.signal.org/desktop/apt/keys.asc | sudo apt-key add -
[19:31] <murmel> tomreyn: you _do_ want opencl from the pro driver, as it runs way better than the OS version. that's one of the reasons why the pro driver is not just foss driver repackaged
[19:31] <morganu> I want to install signal I am not in the process of fixing itsfoss. Do you know how I can learn to do it?
[19:31] <morganu> OK tomreyn I see your comment
[19:32] <tomreyn> murmel: that's great. hopefully it will install fine.
[19:33] <murmel> i mean it should, as amd verified that it runs on ubuntu lts
[19:33] <xu-irc3w> hah... thought a message was meant for me... nevermind. Thanks...
[19:38] <morganu> tomreyn, yes, that's the line that fails. IOK got it -- two times enter gave me a request for my password and good - -  NOW I feel I am working above my pay-grade. (what do I need to learn?) -- response is::   E: Conflicting values set for option Signed-By regarding source https://updates.signal.org/desktop/apt/ xenial: /usr/share/keyrings/signal-desktop-keyring.gpg !=
[19:38] <morganu> E: The list of sources could not be read.
[19:40] <tomreyn> morganu: can we see this?   sudo grep -hEv '^([ ]*#.*)?$' /etc/apt/sources.list{,.d/*.list} 2>&1 | nc termbin.com 9999
[19:41] <barg> has ##linux been taken over at some point and made invite only?
[19:42] <tomreyn> morganu: and is there a reason you're not using signal's installation guide? signal.org -> download -> download for linux
[19:42] <oerheks> barg, no, if you cannot join that channel, try ##linux-ops to see why you are banned
[19:42] <oerheks> you are registered, so that is not the issue
[19:43] <barg> well, I was in there for a moment until it said "* You were kicked from ##linux by ChanServ (Invite only channel)"
[19:43] <barg> yeah i could try ##linux-ops.. thanks
[19:43] <barg> You were kicked from ##linux-ops by ChanServ (Invite only channel)
[19:44] <oerheks> barg not an ubuntu issue, seek help there
[19:44] <tomreyn> barg: you can try asking for help with irc in #libera
[19:45] <barg> thanks
[19:45] <magga> my bluetooth keeps going off
[19:45] <magga> :S
[19:45] <magga> it works for a second after reboot then it just goes off, and i cant enable it from the ui
[19:46] <oerheks> i installed bluez to control my BT.
[19:46] <magga> its any good?
[19:46] <oerheks> https://ubuntu.com/core/docs/bluez
[19:47] <oerheks> for me yes, maybe for you too
[19:47] <oerheks> once discovered, connected, trusted, the normal gui works fine
[19:47] <tomreyn> oerheks: note this is an Ubuntu Core manual page
[19:48] <oerheks> oops, i wanted the 2nd url in bing >> https://help.ubuntu.com/stable/ubuntu-help/bluetooth.html.en
[19:56] <geosmile> On an azure vm, there is a package called omsagent - which keeps rebooting my machine randomly (Microsoft thinks that is ok to do?). Any ideas on how to stop this from happening automatically? (Apart from uninstalling this service)
[19:57] <morganu> tomreyn, well I would be trying to learn how to undo what I did except for soom I will do a fresh install of 22.04 --- This is messed up to have done things and had it garble up my system (maybe? I have no idea)
[19:57] <oerheks> geosmile, azure is not our specialism, maybe their docs are a help ? https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/troubleshoot/azure/general/reinstall-oms-agent-linux
[19:58] <oerheks> it is just a log thingy
[20:01] <geosmile> oerheks, perhaps its not the omsagent that rebooted things then -> Aug 13 04:09:29 JOE-VM Twistlock-Defender[1473478]: time="2022-08-13T04:09:29.341594303Z" type="host_activity_audit" host_name="JOE-VM.uqxijgewbqter.jx.internal.cloudapp.net" user_name="omsagent" activity_type="system reboot" command="sudo shutdown -r 10 Azure Update Management initiated a reboot after an update run." app="cron" account_id="4axx-as8asd"
[20:01] <Gerowen> How in the world do I turn on the "hot corner" so just swinging my mouse into the top left gives me the zoomed out desktop view?  The "Gnome Tweaks" in Ubuntu is stripped back compared to Debian and I can't find it.
[20:02] <oerheks> geosmile, i spot update managment.. so it sounds plausible?
[20:02] <oerheks> there is #azure here on #libera too
[20:03] <geosmile> oerheks, I was looking for  a package named Twistlock-Defender - haven't found anything yet.
[20:04] <geosmile> oerheks, I did ask in #azure - no response yet.
[20:06] <oerheks> maybe during office housrs?
[20:07] <c_89> If I install a persistent live linux distribution on a USB flash drive and make/save changes, 1) can I start that distribution on a PC with different hardware? 2) Can I install the distribution on HDD ignoring the changes so as if it were a non-persistent live distribution?
[20:10] <oerheks> i read those questions before, c_89
[20:10] <oerheks> changes made, maybe you can boot on any pc, try it?
[20:11] <c_89> oerheks yes I had written it this afternoon but then, receiving no response, I closed the IRC client
[20:11] <oerheks> i woul;d use persistence only to store docs or packages, not installing them
[20:12] <tomreyn> morganu: i would have needed more context to be able to tell what the current situation is. i'll be back later.
[20:13] <morganu> np thanks
[20:13] <tomreyn> morganu: generally, when using sudo, it's good to have a rough idea of what the implications can be. you can ask about it here for specific commands.
[20:16] <c_89> oerheks I would like to use persistence to troubleshoot on PCs with different hardware, but eventually I would also like to use persistence to install the distribution from scratch
[20:16] <c_89> oerheks it is possible?
[20:17] <oerheks> i suggest; try it?
[20:18] <oerheks> you are vague about what to install on persistence
[20:18] <oerheks> it is not the same as an full install on usb
[20:24] <geosmile> I'm installing ubuntu 20.04 on a intel nuc. Do I want uefi or legacy boot to be on?
[20:25] <Jeremy31> use UEFI
[20:25] <oerheks> use uefi, no problems with that
[20:25] <oerheks> !uefi
[20:27] <geosmile> oerheks, thanks
[21:05] <Gerowen> Random question, but does Ubuntu server do automatic scrubs of md RAID arrays?
[21:08] <tomreyn> Gerowen: monthly consistency checks by default.
[21:11] <Gerowen> toomreyn: K.  My server runs Debian, and probably will for a while.  But, if all these experiments with Ubuntu go well, I might consider migrating it over at some point, maybe the next time there's a Debian release, just to get the newer kernel versions and such.  I'm gonna schedule some extended downtime at some point this summer to replace the batteries in my UPS anyway.
[21:12] <Gerowen> It's just a thought experiment, "if" I migrated, was wondering how it behaved compared to Debian.
[21:13] <tomreyn> I would think the mechanism there is is identical to that of Debian.
[21:19] <Gerowen> Removing /etc/resolv.conf and replacing it with a symlink to /run/systemd/resolve/resolv.conf fixed my issue with not resolving local DNS names in my PiHole, but it takes a good 5 seconds or more before it resolves.  Not sure what it's doing in that time, but at least it's functional.
[21:24] <hiya> is ubuntu-22.04.1-live-server-amd64.iso the new installer? Can I install vanilla gnome without snaps using it?
[21:25] <oerheks> not sure you can, gnome uses snaps on ubuntu.
[21:26] <hiya> what about vanilla gnome?
[21:26] <oerheks> sure have you searched for it.?
[21:26] <hiya> I did, but I didn't find any info on where the netinstaller is etc
[21:27] <oerheks> !info vanilla-gnome-desktop
[21:27] <oerheks> good luck!
[21:28] <oerheks> *if* you don't like snaps, i suggest change distro
[21:28] <hiya> oerheks: if I like vanilla gnome then?
[21:29] <oerheks> .. then you might have snaps :-D
[21:30] <hiya> oerheks: snaps is ubuntu's version of flatpaks?
[21:30] <oerheks> yes, but better.
[21:31] <hiya> nice then, I don't mind, but where is the net installer sir?
[21:31] <hiya> :P
[21:31] <oerheks> no crappy 3rd party snapstores with questionable packagers
[21:31] <hiya> I need to install gnome vanilla only!
[21:31] <hiya> There is no netinstaller for desktop?
[21:31] <hiya> how do I install it?
[21:32] <hiya> do I install Ubuntu first and then remove?
[21:32] <oerheks> weird you cannot find netinstall images...
[21:32] <oerheks> https://cdimage.ubuntu.com/netboot/
[21:32] <hiya> https://cdimage.ubuntu.com/netboot/jammy/
[21:32] <hiya> show me where :)
[21:32] <hiya> It just says server iso
[21:33] <oerheks> 1st blue url .. points to server
[21:34] <hiya> there is a netinstaller in Debian too
[21:34] <hiya> this one is for server :(
[21:34] <oerheks> so??
[21:35] <oerheks> basicly all ubuntu iso' s use the internet
[21:35] <enigma9o7[m]> Ubuntu doesn't have a net installer that asks you which desktop.  Ubuntu has seperate iso for each officially supported desktop.
[21:35] <enigma9o7[m]> And it won't be completely "vanilla" gnome, it'll be ubuntu's customized gnome, which has a few custom extensions and configuration.
[21:36] <oerheks> well, you got your answer, server and vanilla package
[21:36] <enigma9o7[m]> But if you wanna remove snap, that's fine, that'll remove firefox and the snap store too, but gnome iitself isnt affected.
[21:36] <oerheks> and ... snaps
[21:36] <oerheks> else, go back to #debian ?
[21:36] <enigma9o7[m]> So just install regular ubuntu, not the net version.
[21:36] <cbreak> I think ubuntu even has snaps on servers
[21:37] <oerheks> cbreak, yes
[21:37] <cbreak> it's not related to gnome
[21:37] <enigma9o7[m]> it does, the server edition comes with snapd preinstalled.
[21:37] <oerheks> i told him that
[21:37] <oerheks> no snaps, change distro
[21:37] <cbreak> after firefox, lxc is the snap application I use most :)
[21:38] <hiya> enigma9o7[m]: ok thanks
[21:38] <oerheks> no snaps mean no free livepatch too
[21:38] <geosmile> just installed a new ubuntu 20.04 box. It can ping to 8.8.8.8 but can't resolve anything. Where do i need to change the dns server so that it works?
[21:38] <hiya> so what is the best way to install vanilla gnome?
[21:38] <hiya> install Ubuntu desktop and then a few commands?
[21:38] <oerheks> geosmile, in your router? else network manager, just make a new profile
[21:38] <cbreak> how are snaps related to live patch?
[21:39] <cbreak> snaps seem to be harder to update than normal apt stuff :(
[21:39] <oerheks> livepatch is a snap
[21:39] <enigma9o7[m]> what is the reason you want vanilla gnome instead of ubuntu desktop version anyway?  can't you just set ubuntu's desktop the way you want?
[21:39] <cbreak> (like firefox, snap can't update it without shutting it down, but apt firefox was updateable while running)
[21:39] <cbreak> hmm...
[21:39] <geosmile> oerheks, need command line - my router has a DNS - not sure why ubuntu wont work. I've two 20.04s connected, one works. The new one doesnt
[21:39] <oerheks> cbreak, interesting, snap update itself before first start
[21:39] <oerheks> lolz
[21:39] <hiya> oerheks: I am on debian currently :) I was hoping to switch
[21:39] <enigma9o7[m]> cbrea, apt firefox updates, but then when you are using it it'll tell you that you must restart
[21:39] <cbreak> enigma9o7[m]: yes
[21:40] <cbreak> enigma9o7[m]: while snap firefox tells me I should restart, and when I do... it tells it again... because restarting isn't enough
[21:40] <oerheks> geosmile, check out what is different?
[21:40] <cbreak> I have to manually prod it with a snap refresh or similar
[21:41] <geosmile> oerheks, /etc/resolve.conf looks same
[21:41] <cbreak> this isn't the worst problem with snaps, but it's a slight inconvenience :P
[21:41] <oerheks> '' need command line"  .. too laze to do a proper research? use your network manager then...
[21:42] <geosmile> oerheks, my display is broken too - thought would first fix the network
[21:42] <oerheks> interesting, boken display .. so how do you tell your dns is not working?
[21:43] <geosmile> oerheks, cli - nslookup google.com hangs
[21:43] <kurtgz> hello. can someone help me and paste content of /etc/xdg directory on ubuntu install?
[21:43] <kurtgz> or /etc/xdg/menus?
[21:43] <geosmile> oerheks, apt install isn't working
[21:43] <oerheks> geosmile, maybe enigma9o7[m] can help you, i stop
[21:44] <kurtgz> just simple ls -R or tree would be great
[21:44] <enigma9o7[m]> hmmm im not so good with network stuff.  when i can help, its usually with package install and simple stuff like that.
[21:46] <enigma9o7[m]> kurtgz, you mean like pastebin kinda thing to share?    or termbin command line?
[21:46] <enigma9o7[m]> Oh wait nvm I get it.
[21:47] <enigma9o7[m]> I was ignoring the word 'and' and now I realize it kinda means 'by'
[21:47] <enigma9o7[m]> I only have three files in there.  `gnome-applications.menu  kf5-applications.menu  lxde-applications.menu`
[21:48] <enigma9o7[m]> And, as I do have lxde installed in addition to gnome, that kinda explains 2/3rd of it.
[21:50] <geosmile> oerheks, thanks! It was the router's dns that was messed up, it works now
[21:50] <cbreak> kinfocenter.menu unitycc.menu
[21:51] <cbreak> no idea where I picked those up
[21:51] <cbreak> from unity-control-center and kinfocenter it seems
[21:52] <kurtgz> enigma9o7[m]: thank you so much!
[22:01] <gneeriiloeepdeer> any idea how annotations to pdf files with okular work? Changes are saved to the pdf itself, so if I copy an annotated pdf and open it in a different computer, changes will still be there. Is this correct?
[22:05] <kurtgz> enigma9o7[m]: thaaanks to you now i have icons in my window manager, thank you
[22:07] <enigma9o7[m]> Great.
[22:42] <hiya> how is snap better vs flatpak? Is it official tried and test by Ubuntu?
[22:43] <jhutchins> hiya: It's just as bad, but flatpak is RedHat.
[22:43] <oerheks> 1. there is just 1 appstore, no fancy alternative with questionable packagers
[22:43] <oerheks> 2. updates
[22:44] <cbreak> snap has many disadvantages vs flatpack
[22:44] <jhutchins> oerheks: What, no snap ppas?
[22:44] <oerheks> and yes, there is  a snap team, that tests..
[22:44] <oerheks> cbreak, please...
[22:45] <cbreak> for example the lack of diversity of the app store, cannonical controls the only one. You can't even self-host them
[22:45] <oerheks> bla bla bla
[22:45] <oerheks> please stop
[22:45] <cbreak> when we were looking into packaging software for in-house distribution, we ended up going for app images
[22:45] <oerheks> cbreak, you are not helpfull
[22:45] <cbreak> ?
[22:46] <jhutchins> cbreak: Why not dpkgs?
[22:46] <cbreak> jhutchins: we were targeting not just ubuntu
[22:46] <jhutchins> Ah.
[22:47] <jhutchins> I like the practice of distributing applications as VMs.
[22:47] <cbreak> actual vms?
[22:48] <oerheks> publishing snaps does not cost any money, and one can create  a private snap collection https://snapcraft.io/docs/public-private-unlisted-snaps
[22:48] <cbreak> jhutchins: our software needed access to the GPU, so a VM wouldn't have worked
[22:48] <cbreak> we did use docker for some time, but that was annoying for GUI usage
[22:50] <cbreak> oerheks: money isn't really a problem
[22:50] <cbreak> having to upload the software to some server on the internet is
[22:51] <oerheks> for a company, that would be a valid argument.
[22:51] <oerheks> but the question is not about that.
[22:52] <oerheks> snapcrafters test all snaps that are published.
[22:52] <oerheks> flatpak ?
[22:56] <tomreyn> flatpak's have a similar trust model to PPAs: you can probably know who provides them, then decide whether you want to trust them, and to reassure yourself you can inspect the source code.
[22:57] <tomreyn> (where that is available)
[22:58] <cbreak> being able to inspect source code is nice, but doesn't give full assurance without reproducible builds (bit-identical, or at least enough to be able to verify that a certain binary was indeed made from the inspected code)
[22:59] <cbreak> more realistically, users will have to trust the provider of the binaries, and their crypto signatures
[22:59] <cbreak> (if crypto is involved at all)
[22:59] <oerheks> oh dear, creating doubt.. only valid for your flatpak
[23:01] <oerheks> hiya, still reading?
[23:02] <hiya> oerheks: no.. tell me?
[23:03] <oerheks> no. why?
[23:03] <oerheks> you drop a question, and forget?
[23:07] <hiya> oerheks: my use case for snap or flatpak is only for apps for which it is hard to find a .deb
[23:08] <hiya> from direct source for example for https://gitlab.gnome.org/World/Authenticator
[23:08] <hiya> Otherwise, I think most non-free or free software offer a .deb directly
[23:11] <oerheks> you answered that with your own url, i guess.
[23:11] <oerheks> if they do not publish as snap, use that gnome builder
[23:12] <hiya> hmm
[23:12] <hiya> oerheks: what is your stance on non-free software for gnu/linux like https://www.freeoffice.com/en/service/tips-and-tricks/linux or https://www.qoppa.com/pdfstudio/ ?
[23:13] <oerheks> avoid non free software, when you can,.
[23:14] <oerheks> also, we do not support those
[23:14] <hiya> one thing, before someone points out the off-topic nature of this conversation; people do not release that an avg user never needed to buy anything on Windows OS either. So, searching for software you can pay for on gnu/linux makes no sense either.
[23:14] <hiya> realize *
[23:15] <hiya> oerheks: so non-free software are totally no go?
[23:15] <cbreak> paying for software makes sense if the software you pay for is actually better than the alternatives
[23:16] <oerheks> some parts are non-free/without source, only a binairy blob. it is a choice.
[23:16] <oerheks> hence debian has a special iso for that.
[23:19] <hiya> yes
[23:20] <hiya> a whole list on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_proprietary_software_for_Linux
[23:21] <enigma9o7[m]> great scott
[23:25] <cbreak> that list doesn't even contain the probably most important non-free software on linux (in my personal estimate): the nvidia drivers + cuda
[23:25] <webchat66> java -Xmx4G -Xms512M -jar forge-1.7.10-10.13.4.1558-1.7.10-universal.jar nogui
[23:25] <webchat66> A problem occurred running the Server launcher.java.lang.reflect.InvocationTargetException
[23:25] <webchat66>         at java.base/jdk.internal.reflect.NativeMethodAccessorImpl.invoke0(Native Method)
[23:25] <webchat66>         at java.base/jdk.internal.reflect.NativeMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(NativeMethodAccessorImpl.java:62)
[23:25] <webchat66>         at java.base/jdk.internal.reflect.DelegatingMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(DelegatingMethodAccessorImpl.java:43)
[23:25] <webchat66>         at java.base/java.lang.reflect.Method.invoke(Method.java:566)
[23:25] <tomreyn> webchat66: see the private message you received
[23:25] <hiya> cbreak: is amd's driver free?
[23:26] <oerheks> amd gives open radeon and open amdgpu, only the amdgpu-pro is closed source
[23:26] <oerheks> but you know this, hiya
[23:27] <enigma9o7[m]> what does the amdgpu-pro do?
[23:27] <webchat66> Can anyone help me load a minecraft java server on ubuntu. This is what happens https://dpaste.com/288ZPVGD9
[23:27] <cbreak> hiya: I think it is
[23:27] <oerheks> there is a wiki about amdgou pro. ..
[23:28] <cbreak> there's also nouveau, a free nvidia driver
[23:28] <cbreak> but it's very much incomplete
[23:28] <oerheks> for older cards i see no difference between the 304/340 driver and nouveau
[23:28] <hiya> i think even intel graphics driver isn't 100% open
[23:28] <cbreak> at least in the field I work in, CUDA is without alternative
[23:29] <tomreyn> hiya: apparently your primary goal is to discuss, which this channel explicitly isn't for. please use this channel as it is meant to be used, for support Q&A.
[23:29] <enigma9o7[m]> I use 340.  Noeavua doesnt work very well for GL2 games.  I'ts better for GL1 tho.
[23:29] <cbreak> I recently read that nvidia released some of their headers / specs
[23:30] <cbreak> so nouveau might get quite a boost in the near future
[23:30] <cbreak> enigma9o7[m]: isn't OpenGL already at version 4.5 or so?
[23:30] <oerheks> yes, lets move this to #ubuntu-discuss
[23:31] <enigma9o7[m]> yes cbreak, nvidia-304 and nvidia-340 are for old cards that are GL1-GL3
[23:32] <Rokuma> hi
[23:32] <oerheks> webchat66, what guide did you follow?
[23:33] <Rokuma> Can I get pure command line based support here, or is this channel only about the GUI Gnome on Ubuntu?
[23:33] <tarzeau> nouveau is also not very great with multiple screens, and depending on hardware crashes kernel
[23:33] <tomreyn> Rokuma: both
[23:33] <Rokuma> perfect then!
[23:33] <Rokuma> So, yesterday, I was able to put together a shell script thanks to the nice support of the guys in the channel #bash
[23:34] <Rokuma> The subject of my question was setting the perfect chmod and assinging the right user to files
[23:35] <Rokuma> This is all about a "Laravel" project in PHP, but the question is more a linux permission related question and less a laravel question, as this could equally be the same question for wordpress, joomla, or any other such software for that matter
[23:35] <Rokuma> This is what I have so far:
[23:35] <Rokuma> https://dpaste.org/a1HBq
[23:36] <Rokuma> So, the idea is:  Instead of giving a lot of permissions to everybody,  just give "normal" permissions,  but change the _owner_ to www-data where directories shall be written
[23:36] <cbreak> Rokuma: just a hint: see man chmod, look for X
[23:37] <Rokuma> cbreak, I know about +x  - that's not the problem
[23:37] <cbreak> chmod +X only makes directories "executable"
[23:37] <cbreak> while +x makes all files executable
[23:37] <Rokuma> cbreak, yeah, I have already covered that in my bash script (only with numbers)
[23:37] <cbreak> that saves your -o condition
[23:37] <Rokuma> my solution (see link above) works perfectly on dedicated root servers
[23:37] <Rokuma> the problem is:  What should it do when it comes to shared hosting where I have an sFTP user only?
[23:38] <Rokuma> let's say my sFTP user is "customer94819"  and apache is  "www-data"
[23:38] <Rokuma> apache (www-data) needs to write to some directories
[23:38] <Rokuma> but, I cannot change the owner of said directories to www-data as I have no root access
[23:39] <Rokuma> however, giving write access to the world is extremely dangerous
[23:39] <oerheks> why not?
[23:39] <cbreak> Rokuma: then give write access to a group
[23:39] <Rokuma> oerheks, why no root access?  or why not what? ;)
[23:39] <cbreak> a group that your user and the web server are both part of
[23:39] <Rokuma> cbreak, can I give write access to a group without being root?
[23:39] <oerheks> why not root access?
[23:40] <Rokuma> oerheks, because I felt like it would be a good idea to not take the legal risk and let the provider deal with the server security
[23:40] <Rokuma> so, if their server gets hacked, it's their problem to deal with.   Downside: I have only user access
[23:40] <cbreak> Rokuma: sure. Try it. (try it with a group that  you're also member of)
[23:42] <nevergonagiveyou> hi
[23:42] <Rokuma> cbreak, I seem to be able to change the group without being root
[23:43] <Rokuma> cbreak, touch qqq ; chgrp www-data qqq ; ls -l qqq
[23:43] <Rokuma> oh perfect and then I give write access to the group
[23:43] <Rokuma> that sounds like a plan :)
[23:43] <webchat66> oerheks https://bobcares.com/blog/install-minecraft-server-on-ubuntu/ this guide
[23:45] <oerheks> after the 1st run, designed to stop; As indicated, to run the server, we need to agree to the Minecraft EULA. Open the eula.txt file and change eula=false to eula=true:
[23:45] <oerheks> that might be your issue
[23:45] <Rokuma> why does "chgrp" discriminate some users?
[23:45] <webchat66> Mine is true
[23:46] <Rokuma> This works:  =>   touch qqq ; chgrp www-data qqq ; ls -l qqq
[23:46] <webchat66> I was kind of thinking this minecraft is really old and might want an older java
[23:46] <Rokuma> This fails:  =>   touch qqq ; chgrp susan qqq ; ls -l qqq
[23:46] <oerheks> openjdk should be fine..
[23:46] <webchat66> Is there a way to load this one jar with java 7 or 8
[23:46] <oerheks> also, i do not understand this part; forge-1.7.10-10.13.4.1558-1.7.10-universal.jar nogui
[23:49] <Rokuma> what is actually the best chmod for making a file executable?  744 or 774 or 777  ?
[23:51] <tomreyn> for someone attacking your server, 777 is the best
[23:51] <oerheks> webchat66, on what ubuntu is this? 22.04 still has openjdk 8.. but i think it could work on standard 11
[23:52] <oerheks> https://chmod-calculator.com/
[23:53] <tomreyn> Rokuma: there is not "the best" - it's always specific to what your goals are, what needs to be considered. but we don't know those.
[23:53] <Rokuma> oerheks, I think 744 is enough, isn't it?
[23:53] <Rokuma> a script that I want to execute myself
[23:53] <Rokuma> I am the only user on my computer, and I place my script in /usr/local/bin/
[23:53] <tomreyn> 7 on the first digit allows the owner of this file to execute it
[23:54] <webchat66> oerheks 22.04 how can i install java 8 and tell it to use that?
[23:55] <tomreyn> webchat66: wouldn't it make a lot more sense to use a current version of minecraft instead?
[23:56] <tomreyn> (and then a current JRE with that)
[23:56] <webchat66> I am trying to play a modpack, and thats just the version its on https://www.curseforge.com/minecraft/modpacks/questing-mayhem