[00:00] <tomreyn> not all wireless chipsets are supported out of the box. some can be enabled after installation by downbloading and configuraing additional drivers.
[00:00] <amaroq> I do fortunately. Again, a newer mac-mini, not the one I was going to convert
[00:01] <amaroq> I see... I was surprised
[00:04] <tomreyn> if you run   lspci -knn   on the mac with non-working wireless, you will see an ID in square brackets (and potentially a 'Rev'ision number) at the end of the line describing this chipset, as well as the currently available and loaded drivers supporting this device.
[00:06] <tomreyn> amaroq: Knowing this ID, you can search the web for it and, for example, "Ubuntu 22.04" or "Linux" and this may provide more information on how you can get it to work, if so. We could also help you with finding more info once you know this ID.
[00:09] <amaroq> tomreyn, thank you. I've taken note and will try that. I had a little go at searching for how to detect and launch wifi from terminal and tried a couple things but no luck. At least this will tell me hopefully the chipset and I can go from there
[00:11] <tomreyn> great, good luck
[00:20] <orlock> Is there any way a multi-monitor setup can have overlapping screens? My laptop display covers a portion of one of my external displays
[00:22] <tomreyn> Maybe it would be good to position them differently.
[00:22] <tomreyn> I'm not ruling out the option that what you ask for can also be done.
[00:23] <arraybolt3[m]> I know you can do it in Kubuntu, not sure about Ubuntu.
[00:23] <arraybolt3[m]> Try dragging stuff around in the Display Settings and see what happens.
[00:30] <tomreyn> orlock: this is very old, but i assume the xrandr answer will still apply: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/170434/how-to-set-3-displays-as-follows-primary-mirror-of-primary-and-secondary
[00:31] <tomreyn> the nvidia xsettings one (in case you're using the proprietary 'nvidia' driver on hardware it supports) probably, too
[00:39] <orlock> arraybolt3[m]: It lets me overlap them, but the display "snaps" to a position that's not quite right, but does not let me apply the changes
[00:41] <orlock> tomreyn: Yeah cheers, that might be the only way to go.. Intel UHD graphics
[00:41] <tomreyn> orlock: personally, i'd really try to physically position those screens in a more suitable way.
[00:42] <tomreyn> there are laptop stands, monitor arms and wall / vesa mounts
[00:42] <orlock> It says something about how far things have advanced that i had to go and check what card i was using.. i remember the bad old days of the xfree86 config files :-D
[00:43] <tomreyn> fortunately that's memory you can now reuse for more important things.
[00:43] <tomreyn> for the most part.
[00:45] <orlock> Already using the only mount point on my desk for a dual display mount.. just swapped my secondary portrait screen to a 24" 16x10 so it extends far enough down to be slightly inconvenient. Desk is crammed full.
[00:46] <orlock> Primary display has a built in KVM switch, so i can press a single button to toggle between my gaming desktop and work laptop, and still use my nice keyboard and mouse
[00:47] <orlock> (Toggles between displayport and USB3 on the desktop, to a single USB-C connection for the laptop)
[00:48] <tomreyn> #luxuryissues ;-)
[00:55] <orlock> Also , "Portrait Left" > "Portrait (flipped)"  :-D
[00:55] <orlock> (or inverted or whatever terminology that other OS uses)
[01:27] <webchat66> Is there a command to list all users
[01:27] <leftyfb> webchat66: in linux or IRC?
[01:28] <webchat66> In ubuntu
[01:28] <leftyfb> awk -F: '{ print $1}' /etc/passwd
[01:28] <leftyfb> or getent passwd
[01:31] <phinxy> Are there .iso's with updated and upgraded packages?
[01:31] <webchat66> Is there a way to give "qbtuser" access to minor723 users desktop and anything inside of it?
[01:32] <phinxy> My 4GB usb is too small to apt update/upgrade
[01:33] <tomreyn> phinxy: if you have enough ram, you can update packages on the running system. and there are so-called "point releases", such as 22.04.1 which was just released, with newer package versions than 22.04(.0)
[01:34] <tomreyn> webchat66: you mean the other users' graphical desktop, including remote control of mouse and keyboard?
[01:35] <webchat66> No I just want user qbtuser to have read/write access to /home/minor723/Desktop/PlesMediaServer
[01:35] <enigma9o7[m]> i dunno if its a good way, but one way to check list of users is to `cat /etc/passwd`
[01:36] <enigma9o7[m]> plex server usually sets up its own username
[01:36] <phinxy> webchat66: there are probably multiple ways to do it.  extended ACL permissions could work
[01:36] <webchat66> No this is for my torrent user with qbittorrent to be able to save into the plex directory
[01:37] <webchat66> Is there a command that will just let anyone read/write to that one folder?
[01:38] <phinxy> or set the PlesMediaServer permissions to just allow all users to read/write, I guess
[01:38] <phinxy> with chown
[01:38] <phinxy> chmod*
[01:38] <webchat66> what is the full command for that?
[01:39] <enigma9o7[m]> You're certainly doing things a mor ecomplicated way than standard.
[01:39] <enigma9o7[m]> I have plex media server and qbittorrent installed, as myself, and dont have to do anything special with permissions.
[01:39] <webchat66> I think i got mixed up with the wrong guides
[01:39] <enigma9o7[m]> I shared folders from /home/username/Videos for plex
[01:39] <enigma9o7[m]> and if i wanna tell qb to download there, its trivial
[01:40] <phinxy> chmod -R g+rw /home/minor723/Desktop/PlesMediaServer
[01:40] <tomreyn> i think a better way to grant full rw access to a directory to more than one user is to place this directory outside of /home/somespecificuser, and then set up group access accordingly, and add those users to the same group
[01:43] <solsTiCe> There is ACLs too. https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Access_Control_Lists not as straghtforward but doable sometimes
[01:44] <tomreyn> also bindfs, also not straight forward.
[01:57] <eduard> salut
[02:03] <webchat66> tomreyn Can you tell me how to make that folder in a place everyone can access and all the users?
[02:04] <enigma9o7[m]> sudo mkdir
[02:05] <oerheks> https://chmod-calculator.com/
[02:05] <webchat66> WHere is a good location everyone can access in the /opt ?
[02:05] <enigma9o7[m]> /opt/anything
[02:05] <enigma9o7[m]> anywhere outside of /home/specificuser
[02:05] <enigma9o7[m]> even /home/whatever would work
[02:05] <enigma9o7[m]> or /whatever
[02:06] <enigma9o7[m]> or /opt/whatever
[02:06] <downeast> /usr/share also
[02:06] <webchat66> ok i did /opt/plex    how can i give rw access to qbtuser
[02:07] <enigma9o7[m]> make a group that has access to that folder, then put qbtuser into that group
[02:07] <oerheks> plex could do that, if you paid for it.
[02:07] <oerheks> free is a bit limited.
[02:07] <webchat66> Can i make a group and all that in command line?
[02:08] <enigma9o7[m]> You can, everything can be done from command line.
[02:08] <enigma9o7[m]> GUI is for your convenience.
[02:09] <oerheks> come on, type it all out :-D
[02:10] <enigma9o7[m]> me?  i dunno how to do that
[02:10] <enigma9o7[m]> i am simple one user system
[02:10] <enigma9o7[m]> my plex and qbt all run as me and works jmuch easier
[02:10] <enigma9o7[m]> dont have to mess with permissions or anything
[02:10] <oerheks> paid?
[02:10] <enigma9o7[m]> if i had to add users and groups i read the --help or man
[02:10] <webchat66> Yeah next time I will just install everything as me
[02:10] <enigma9o7[m]> nope, not paid
[02:11] <webchat66> Instead of having a torrentuser and a plex user and have all the services running under those users
[02:12] <enigma9o7[m]> i guess that way, you can logout and things keep running.
[02:12] <enigma9o7[m]> Since I'm a one user system, and I'm set to autologin, and I have plex set to start automatically, that works for me.
[02:12] <enigma9o7[m]> And I start qb manually, but i often have weeks of uptime, so its not like I dont share.   I've got linux iso's in there now that've shared TB, and my upload speed is 1.7 megabit
[02:13] <enigma9o7[m]> plus if i wanted i could set qb to start automatically too
[02:14] <oerheks> yes, start again as one user, saves us a lot of questions
[02:15] <webchat66> I might:)  So I made the group and added users to it and added it to the folder but i dont seem to have access
[02:17] <oerheks> after adding groups and users, what did you do?
[02:17] <oerheks> not restarting or logout/login again?
[02:17] <webchat66> no i did none of those
[02:18] <oerheks> !users
[02:18] <enigma9o7[m]> defininately have to restart terminal at least
[02:18] <enigma9o7[m]> maybe more than that
[02:19] <oerheks> you better do it right, start all over
[02:20] <webchat66> seems like i should be able to just fix it rather then start over
[02:20] <enigma9o7[m]> ya im sure, and yer learning stuff anyway, as long as you're having fun, keep at it
[04:04] <Jason> hello guys
[04:07] <lotuspsychje> welcome Jason
[04:08] <Jason> thanks
[04:08] <Jason> what you guys wanna talk about today
[04:09] <tfz75> i clicked on a russian twitch stream and my computer got slow
[04:11] <Jason> mine the stream downloaded virus or trojans to your computer
[04:11] <tfz75> no they hack from javascript i think
[04:11] <lotuspsychje> !chat
[04:11] <tfz75> sorry
[04:12] <Jason> are you guys in californa
[04:12] <elias_a> !chat
[04:13] <Jason> you mean they used the javascript to open a backdoor connection to your computer
[04:13] <lotuspsychje> Jason: please no offtopic here
[04:14] <lotuspsychje> Jason: move to the channel posted above and leave the channel free for ubuntu issues
[04:15] <elias_a> Specifically Ubuntu support issues. This is a global support channel.
[04:15] <Jason> i noe that its just one of the users questioned me so i answered
[04:18] <blocksize> hi
[04:18] <blocksize> my kernel version is 5.15.0-46
[04:18] <blocksize> what does the -46 mean
[04:19] <blocksize> i know that 5.15.0 means kernel 5.15
[04:19] <blocksize> but i don't know what -46 means
[04:21] <Jason> not sure what version of ubuntu or linux your  running
[04:22] <tfz75> its not showing up on google for me
[04:23] <Jason> what happen to your computer
[04:25] <blocksize> tfz75, my exact kernel is 5.15.0-46-generic
[04:26] <blocksize> https://www.google.com/search?q=5.15.0-46-generic
[04:26] <blocksize> tfz75,
[04:26] <blocksize> i know that generic just means a standard kernel with every driver installed
[04:26] <blocksize> but i don't know what the 46 means
[04:26] <blocksize> or what they have done to the kernel to make it 46
[04:26] <blocksize> please help
[04:31] <kushal_kumaran> blocksize: ubuntu (like most linux distributions) adds patches to the upstream kernel sources. In most cases, these are "backports" of fixes that have been published for later versions of the kernel. In such cases, the kernel version itself is not changed. Instead the suffix after the `-` is changed. You can see the full changelog in the `/usr/share/doc/<package>` directory.
[04:33] <blocksize> why is ubuntu using a kernel that is one year old
[04:34] <blocksize> 5.15 was released last october
[04:34] <blocksize> almost a year old
[04:37] <kushal_kumaran> Stabilization of ubuntu releases starts well in advance of the actual release date. Versions of important core packages are fixed early and rarely, if ever, change through the course of the release. Fixes for bugs are backported to the version the distribution is shipping. For the kernel, specifically, upstream explicitly identifies specific kernel versions as being supported long-term. linux 5.15 is one such kernel, which ubuntu 22.04
[04:37] <kushal_kumaran> ships with. https://www.kernel.org/category/releases.html
[04:38] <kushal_kumaran> you can find answers to these and several other kernel-related questions at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/FAQ
[04:39] <elias_a> blocksize: Which Ubuntu version are you running?
[04:40] <blocksize> 22.04
[05:10] <Guest61> Hi! I have a question. If I set my connection as metered, does that permanently prevent automatic snap updates?
[05:10] <Guest61> Or the 90 days max rule applies?
[05:25] <Guest61> I got disconnected and I don't want to miss if some replied. I'm going to send my question again, I hope it's not a bad thing to do!
[05:26] <Guest61> If I set my connection as metered, does that permanently prevent automatic snap updates?
[05:39] <Guest32> Anyone running 22.04.1 without any problems?
[05:43] <lotuspsychje> Guest32: best to ask your specific issue to the channel, so volunteers can try to help you
[05:44] <Guest1167> shalom
[05:44] <tfz75> i never had problems with ubuntu for some reason
[05:45] <tfz75> it just always worked
[05:45] <Guest1167> i have problems with lubuntu
[05:47] <lotuspsychje> Guest1167: best to ask your specific issue to the channel, so volunteers can try to help you
[07:22] <Sgnaps> ciao a tutti
[07:22] <ravage> !it | Sgnaps
[08:03] <Guest79> I've just upgraded to ubuntu 22.04.1 using the gui updater. After reboot, I see https://cloud.pricey.uk/s/ooqPR2WmpGEtKNX/preview If I try recovery mode, I see https://cloud.pricey.uk/s/QTL6NnCpCnzKwe6/preview I have tried booting from a live cd and mounting as necessary to "update-initramfs". "cryptsetup: WARNING: target 'luks-uuid-goes-here' not
[08:03] <Guest79> found in /etc/crypttab" pops up during that. I'm assuming that's fine and just because I'm in a choot. I was pointed to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cryptsetup/+bug/1979159 but I don't think that's the problem as I have the supposedly fixed version of cryptsetup. Any ideas?
[08:09] <illia> hello everyone
[08:21] <arraybolt3[m]> Guest79: Looks like your kernel can't open the initramfs.
[08:22] <arraybolt3[m]> Guest79: Can you boot into a live ISO, and show me the contents of /boot? (Redact sensitive data of course, if there is any in there (there shouldn't be AFAIK), and also please use Pastebin.com for sharing text output.)
[08:25] <Guest79> Hey arraybolt3[m], here it is: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/NXD6hn6Hwn/
[08:26] <arraybolt3[m]> Pretty sure your system must still be trying to boot the 5.4 kernel.
[08:27] <Guest79> Oh huh, yeah there's no initramfs-5.15 in there. Didn't notice before.
[08:27] <Guest79> The output of updateinitramfs is in that paste too.
[08:27] <Guest79> I have tried to boot the 5.4 directly from grub, that failed with the same error.
[08:27] <arraybolt3[m]> So we'll do two things. First, let's get the system to boot, then we'll fix your luks mounting.
[08:28] <arraybolt3[m]> (The problem is that the initrd files are compressed using a new algorithm that 5.15 supports but 5.4 doesn't - the update-initramfs is (I believe) using the new algorithm for both initrd files, rendering kernel 5.4 unusable.)
[08:28] <arraybolt3[m]> (So we just need to boot kernel 5.15, which we can do manually with GRUB.)
[08:28] <arraybolt3[m]> Are you able to stay connected to IRC on a different device? I'll need to have you run commands in a GRUB shell to get your system to boot.
[08:29] <Guest79> Yes I'm already on another machine here.
[08:29] <arraybolt3[m]> Guest79: Alright, fantastic. Power down the computer.
[08:29] <Guest79> And in grub, e for edit?
[08:29] <arraybolt3[m]> Guest79: Well, hold on, what happens if you select advanced options?
[08:29] <arraybolt3[m]> Will it let you just boot kernel 5.15 from there?
[08:30] <arraybolt3[m]> If not, then yeah, e for edit should do the trick.
[08:30] <Guest79> Two kernels with the two "recovery mode" options. 5.15 and 5.4 are listed. All give the same error.
[08:30] <arraybolt3[m]> The out of memory error?
[08:30] <arraybolt3[m]> Or the kernel panic?
[08:31] <arraybolt3[m]> Or just both recovery ones panic and both normal ones OOM?
[08:31] <Guest79> The out of memory error always initially pops up. Normal options, I get dumped to my dell splash screen and nothing happens for >1 minute when I give up. Recovery options then continue to the kernel panic.
[08:31] <arraybolt3[m]> OK, weird. How much RAM does your system have anyway?
[08:32] <arraybolt3[m]> (Now it sounds more like GRUB is having trouble loading the initramfs in the first place, which doesn't make much sense to me.)
[08:32] <Guest79> 16Gb
[08:32] <arraybolt3[m]> Also, it will let you drop to a command line with "c", right? If so, do that, so we can see exactly where it errors out.
[08:33] <Guest79> Which kernel option do you want me to to go to c?
[08:33] <arraybolt3[m]> (re: 16Gb) Well that obviously ought to be more than enough :P
[08:33] <arraybolt3[m]> Just drop to the shell, then run "ls".
[08:33] <Guest79> I have seen stuff like this which is worrying: https://www.dell.com/community/XPS/XPS13-9380-quot-out-of-memory-quot-error-Ubuntu-22-04/td-p/8235086
[08:34] <arraybolt3[m]> Then do "ls (hdX,gptY)/" until you see what looks like your boot files.
[08:34] <Guest79> (proc) (hd0) (hd0,gpt3) (hd0,gpt2) (hd0,gpt1)
[08:34] <arraybolt3[m]> Do "ls (hd0,gpt2)/".
[08:34] <Guest79> It's gpt3
[08:34] <arraybolt3[m]> If you see your kernel in there, then do "set root=(hd0,gpt2)".
[08:34] <arraybolt3[m]> OK, then "set root=(hd0,gpt3)".
[08:36] <arraybolt3[m]> Now do "linux /vmlinuz-5.15.0-46-generic".
[08:36] <Guest79> Sorry yeah it is 2. Got confused. Ok going for it.
[08:36] <arraybolt3[m]> (This is intentionally devoid of other options - this will fail to boot but it will also give insight into what's happening.)
[08:37] <arraybolt3[m]> Once that's done, "initrd /initrd.img-5.15.0-46-generic".
[08:37] <Guest79> 'error: can't find command 'linux''
[08:37] <arraybolt3[m]> ...
[08:37] <arraybolt3[m]> OK then try typing it again, that makes absolutely no sense to me.
[08:37] <Guest79> linux on it's own does work and gives an nice error
[08:37] <Guest79> sorry, trying again :)
[08:38] <Guest79> duh, i typed ilnux. Sorry tiny 4k screen
[08:38] <arraybolt3[m]> np, i do silly stuff like that too
[08:38] <Guest79> (Just a reminder from above, there's no initramfs for the 5.15 kernel in /boot)
[08:39] <arraybolt3[m]> True. I don't know what initramfs is even doing there, initrd are the right files.
[08:39] <Guest79> Thanks, just checking.
[08:39] <arraybolt3[m]> OK, once the linux command is done, then the "initrd /initrd.img-5.15.0-46-generic", and tell me if that gives an error, and if so, what error.
[08:39] <Guest79> Ok the initrd command immediately gives "error: out of memory"
[08:40] <arraybolt3[m]> Bingo. Alright, now we know where the problem is. Now the tricky part will be figuring it out.
[08:40] <Guest79> With a full stop. "error: out of memory."
[08:41] <Guest79> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/initramfs-tools/+bug/1970402 looks similar?
[08:41] <arraybolt3[m]> Looks like it.
[08:41] <Guest79> Ah dupe of https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1842320
[08:42] <Guest79> "the problem seems to me that memory allocation issue with higher resolution monitor.", "Based on my test, this issue is likely relate to EFI or grub (or initramfs config) instead of kernel."
[08:42] <arraybolt3[m]> Oh lovely. It looks like it's baking in the NVIDIA drivers into the initrd.
[08:43] <arraybolt3[m]> OK, so... wow. Well, this will be tricky, but let's boot into the live ISO again. (Just hard power off the computer then boot from the ISO.)
[08:44] <Guest79> (FYI this is an intel machine, no nvidia, but I imagine if I've got other stuff with kernel modules, I could still hit it)
[08:44] <arraybolt3[m]> Oh OK. That's so weird. But yeah, let's apply that fix they mentioned.
[08:46] <arraybolt3[m]> Once you have the live ISO booted, open a terminal with Ctrl+Alt+T.
[08:48] <Guest79> Just waiting for it to boot. I'm looking at comments 44 & 45 for the steps required?
[08:49] <arraybolt3[m]> Looking...
[08:50] <arraybolt3[m]> Yep, 44 & 45 looks like exactly the right fix. They even are doing it in a way that's easier than the solution I was going to use.
[08:50] <arraybolt3[m]> (You won't need the 21.10 image though - whatever ISO you're booting now should work just fine.)
[08:52] <Guest79> Huh. So my initramfs.conf is not 196 lines long.
[08:53] <Guest79> https://pastebin.com/33HzQFG3
[08:53] <Guest79> I am going to change line 37 to:
[08:53] <Guest79>     zstd) compress="zstd -q -19 -T0" ;;
[08:53] <arraybolt3[m]> Well, as long as you can find that "MODULES" option in there, you should be able to change it to "dep" and be good. I see it near the top.
[08:54] <Guest79> Oh, different fixes being mentioned in there...
[08:54] <arraybolt3[m]> Uh... that looks wrong.
[08:54] <arraybolt3[m]> I'd change line 21 to "MODULES=dep".
[08:54] <arraybolt3[m]> That was the fix that looked the most hopeful.
[08:55] <Guest79> Done. Here goes nothing...
[08:56] <Guest79> No error...
[08:56] <Guest79> shiny splash screen...
[08:56] <Guest79> And dumped into initramfs
[08:56] <arraybolt3[m]> Ah. OK, we can fix that.
[08:56] <arraybolt3[m]> (I sort of expected that to possibly happen.)
[08:57] <arraybolt3[m]> OK, do "ls /dev" and find your main drive.
[08:57] <arraybolt3[m]> (Also "ls /dev/nvme*" or "ls /dev/sd*" will help you find the drive.)
[08:57] <Guest79> Oh I didn't have to give my luks password...
[08:57] <Guest79> It's /dev/nvme0n1
[08:57] <arraybolt3[m]> Guest79: You're going to have to in a bit.
[08:58] <arraybolt3[m]> (It won't let you off that easy :) )
[08:58] <Guest79> It better not!
[08:58] <arraybolt3[m]> OK, now... hold on, let me find the command...
[08:58] <arraybolt3[m]> Yeah no kidding, right?
[08:59] <arraybolt3[m]> OK, "cryptsetup luksOpen /dev/nvme0n1p3 nvme0n1p3_crypt".
[08:59] <arraybolt3[m]> (This is where it asks you for your password.)
[08:59] <Guest79> Seems happy
[09:00] <arraybolt3[m]> After that, "mount /dev/mapper/vgubuntu-root /root"
[09:00] <arraybolt3[m]> Then "exit", and you should be plopped onto a desktop.
[09:00] <Guest79> Saw fsck error, now desktop. Win.
[09:00] <arraybolt3[m]> If that works, then we have one more command to run and we should be done.
[09:01] <arraybolt3[m]> Nice! OK, Ctrl+Alt+T, then "update-initramfs -u -k all", then reboot and see if we're OK.
[09:01] <arraybolt3[m]> (Er, "sudo update-initramfs -u -k all")
[09:02] <arraybolt3[m]> (Forgot the sudo the first time, oops)
[09:03] <Guest79> arraybolt3[m] you are a star! Thank you so much for your help!
[09:04]  * arraybolt3[m] switching computers, one moment please...
[09:05]  * arraybolt3[m] is back
[09:05] <lotuspsychje> !cookie | arraybolt3[m]
[09:06] <Guest79> I'm now wondering what the repercussions are of that changed line. I'm also going to comment on the bug report that despite earlier comments, my previous kernel didn't boot, so it was a bigger problem than they thought!
[09:09] <arraybolt3[m]> 👍️ Glad to be able to help, congrats on getting it fixed!
[09:10] <arraybolt3[m]> lotuspsychje: nom nom (also Element showed me the bot before it showed me your command :P)
[09:11] <arraybolt3[m]> Guest79: Sounds like a good idea to me.
[09:11] <lotuspsychje> arraybolt3[m]: :p
[09:21] <Pricey> Commented.
[09:26] <Pricey> Newly working initrd is 62Mb. The old failing initds were 112mb & 82mb. I'm not filled with confidence, that doesn't feel like much headroom!
[09:29] <arraybolt3[m]> Mine is 111 Mb, I guess my system must not be affected.
[09:33] <johnjaye> what does 'live server' mean exactly? both a livecd and server?
[09:35] <arraybolt3[m]> Pretty sure "live server" means "provides a live ISO environment, and installs a server".
[09:38] <johnjaye> ok. i was confused because i thought those in theory could be separate things. live for example makes me think a GUI. but servers have no gui typically
[09:41] <arraybolt3[m]> Ah. The live server ISO doesn't have a GUI, but it does allow you to drop to a shell.
[09:41] <johnjaye> hmm that explains that then. thanks
[10:41] <ph88> hey guys i just upgraded from 20.04 to 22.04 and now my mouse pointer and also youtube sometimes hangs for a second or so .. how can i get my desktop smooth again ?
[10:42] <lotuspsychje> ph88: is that on firefox snap?
[10:42] <ph88> yes
[10:42] <lotuspsychje> i also noticed that
[10:42] <lotuspsychje> laggy YT experience after the lts upgrade
[10:42] <levkp> really sucks apt install firefox will get the snap on 22.04
[10:42] <levkp> download the package from mozilla and put it in /opt
[10:43] <ph88> what about my mouse pointer though ?
[10:43] <levkp> what is the version of your firefox?
[10:44] <levkp> i never had issues with my pointer, but i also noticed the laggy youtube
[10:44] <lotuspsychje> levkp: snap FF installs latest stable
[10:44] <ph88> 103.0.2
[10:46] <lotuspsychje> ph88: for your mouse pointer you could compare wayland/xorg
[10:46] <ph88> i am on wayland now
[10:47] <lotuspsychje> ph88: for the FF snap, forwards bugs to bugzilla (snap info firefox)
[10:49] <mrkubax10> maybe wayland issue, check with X11
[10:50] <ph88> chromium is a bit better but also small hickups in youtube
[10:50] <ph88> how can i switch to X11 ?
[10:51] <mrkubax10> there is options icon in login screen
[10:51] <mrkubax10> select Gnome on X11 or something like that
[10:52] <ph88> thx
[10:53] <ph88> mrkubax10, there wasn't such an option on my login screen
[10:54] <ph88> hmm let me try again
[10:55] <ph88> mrkubax10, didn't see this option (checked twice)
[10:55] <mrkubax10> wait, it's Ubuntu on Xorg
[10:55] <ph88> let me try 3rd time
[10:55] <ph88> i see online that i need to select my user first
[11:01] <ph88> now i'm on X11 and using chromium and still delays in youtube videos
[11:02] <lotuspsychje> wich graphics are you on ph88
[11:02] <ph88> mouse pointer is smoother though
[11:02] <ph88> Mesa Intel(R) UHD Graphics 620 (WHL GT2)
[11:03] <lotuspsychje> i got intel UHD 650 on my NUC, so it could be related
[11:03] <lotuspsychje> lemme test on chromium holdon
[11:04] <ph88> ok
[11:05] <ph88> lotuspsychje, did you fresh install or upgrade ?
[11:05] <lotus|NUC> lts upgrade from focal
[11:06] <ph88> me too
[11:08] <lotus|NUC> ph88: looks like chromium doesnt stutter on wayland on my side
[11:09] <ph88> ye chromium is a bit better
[11:09] <ph88> there are just small delays everywhere, even on keyboard when i'm typing
[11:10] <lotus|NUC> just got real bad on FF snap switching from 1080p to 1440p
[11:11] <ph88> https://www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comments/tw73ge/ubuntu_2204_mouse_stuttering/
[11:12] <lotus|NUC> lags on 720p too ouch
[11:12] <ph88> well i'm staying on X11 that helps already for the mouse
[11:14] <ph88> still lags on chromium too
[11:14] <ogra> very unlikely to be snap related at all ...
[11:16] <ogra> (googling "UHD Graphics 620 ubuntu stuttering" gives you a ton of pointers to the graphics driver FWIW)
[11:16] <lotus|NUC> tested FF & chromium snap on 720p lagging like hell
[11:16] <lotus|NUC> (on xorg)
[11:17] <lotus|NUC> lemme test falkon
[11:19] <lotus|NUC> laggy too, think i would follow ogra perhaps its a jammy i915 or mutter thing
[11:19] <lotus|NUC> things were still fine on focal
[11:23] <ph88> ogra, don't find so much specifically in combination with 22.04
[11:27] <lotus|NUC> ph88: you got videos to test on vlc?
[11:29] <lotus|NUC> my end a 1080p on vlc doesnt stutter
[11:30] <lotus|NUC> but all browsers i tested on YT lag on 720p wich did not on focal nor on my jammy laptop clean install
[11:34] <lotus|NUC> even dragging around the browsers window lags when playing
[11:45] <ogra> no stuttering here on my XPS13
[11:45] <ogra> $ lspci|grep VGA
[11:45] <ogra> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation HD Graphics 620 (rev 02)
[11:45] <ph88> lotus|NUC, i'm watching VLC video now
[11:45] <ogra> $
[11:46] <ph88> ogra, did you do upgrade or fresh install ?
[11:46] <ogra> even with 1080p yt videos
[11:46] <ogra> upgrade from 20.04
[11:46] <ogra> but that should not matter really ...
[11:47] <ogra> my assumption is that there is something ging on with the video decoding on your generation of the 620 HD driver ...
[11:48] <ogra> *going
[12:01] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[12:11] <ph88> hi BluesKaj
[12:12] <BluesKaj> hi ph88
[12:14] <wez> hi BluesKaj and ph88!
[12:14] <BluesKaj> hi wez
[12:15] <luna__> hey
[12:48] <lotus|NUC> ogra: im on an i7 intel UHD 650 here, should not stutter on falkon/xorg right?
[12:49] <lotus|NUC> it also worked fine on focal before
[12:50] <lotus|NUC> what kind of network are you using ph88
[12:54] <lotus|NUC> speedtest looks normal here
[12:56] <ph88> lotus|NUC, not sure what you mean by network ... i also have good speed on speedtest
[12:57] <lotus|NUC> ok nvm then, so its not gonna be network bottleneck our YT
[12:58] <lotus|NUC> we are looking for something related to upgrade to jammy/intel graphics/browsing videos
[12:59] <lotus|NUC> tested both apt/snap browsers on xorg & wayland
[12:59] <lotus|NUC> and vlc 1080p works like a charm
[13:02] <BluesKaj> yeah, VLC finally caught up to date
[13:06] <lotus|NUC> ph88: apt policy ubuntu-restricted-extras ?
[13:09] <ogra> lotus|NUC, indeed graphics should not stutter, no matter in what context 🙂
[13:12] <ph88> lotus|NUC, https://bpa.st/GBOQ
[13:13] <lotus|NUC> ph88: could you install them, try again some 1080p YT's plz?
[13:14] <lotus|NUC> still laggy on my side
[13:18] <ph88> lotus|NUC, ok just a moment
[13:18] <ph88> i just probably reboot right
[13:19] <lotus|NUC> dont think its needed for the extras
[13:22] <ph88> lotus|NUC, still small hiccups
[13:22] <lotus|NUC> same here ph88
[13:22] <lotus|NUC> not sure whats going on
[13:23] <lotus|NUC> ph88: vlc played the vid well on your side?
[13:36] <ph88> yes played very well
[14:21] <user9d> pastes to ubuntu.com, what
[14:36] <user9d> could you use Ubuntu Server as a Desktop OS?
[14:38] <Primal> i don't see why not
[14:43] <user9d> then when you get the Internet connected you can install the 3 big three in one big sweep: kde-plasma-desktop-environment, gnome-desktop-environment, and xfce4-desktop-environment. that makes me happy
[14:57] <leftyfb> user9d: ubuntu desktop = ubuntu server + desktop. There's almost no difference between them. If you need a desktop environment, there's no reason to install server and then the DE on top of it
[16:17] <y3k> Hello o/
[16:17] <y3k> I'm having some issues running snap with AppArmor
[16:17] <y3k> ```type=1400 audit(1660579463.511:120): apparmor="DENIED" operation="mount" info="failed mntpnt match" error=-13 profile="/snap/snapd/16299/usr/lib/snapd/snap-confine" name="/tmp/snap.rootfs_65fIlc/etc/nsswitch.conf/" pid=4483 comm="snap-confine" srcname="/snap/core18/2542/etc/nsswitch.conf/" flags="rw, bind"```
[16:17] <y3k> This started to happen after an `apt upgrade`
[16:18] <y3k> Also I do have `/var/snap` as a different LVM volume, mounted.
[16:51] <ogra> y3k, sounds a bit like a kernel bug ...
[16:52] <y3k> ogra a bummer :(  I was afraid of that
[16:52] <ogra> what kernel are you on ?
[16:55] <y3k> `Linux foo 4.9.312-85 #1 SMP PREEMPT Mon Jun 20 03:34:14 UTC 2022 aarch64 aarch64 aarch64 GNU/Linux`
[16:56] <leftyfb> uh
[16:57] <leftyfb> 4.9?
[16:57] <y3k> Yeah, this is a Hardkernel Odroid
[16:57] <y3k> Using their official OS too
[16:57] <leftyfb> y3k: sorry, we can only support ubuntu here
[16:57] <y3k> Isn't that Ubuntu?
[16:57] <y3k> Ubuntu 20 AFAIK
[16:58] <leftyfb> it's not an official release of ubuntu, no
[16:58] <y3k> I meant their official Ubuntu distribution
[16:58] <y3k> Aaaaah, got it.
[16:58] <y3k> Ok, thank you very much.
[16:58] <arraybolt3[m]> y3k: There's a difference between Ubuntu-based and Ubuntu. If Odroid made the image, we can't support it since there's no telling what they did to it.
[16:58] <y3k> Yeah, I get that... just thought they could have enough similarities to make something work.
[16:59] <arraybolt3[m]> Makes sense, and they sure did make their think look like Ubuntu. :(
[16:59] <enigma9o7[m]> one would think so...
[16:59] <arraybolt3[m]> s/think/thing/
[16:59] <y3k> Ok, I go down to the research path again, haha
[17:00] <arraybolt3[m]> However, the Odroid people themselves would probably be happy to help (and if they're not then Odroid isn't a very good company...).
[17:00] <arraybolt3[m]> They know what they did to the OS and will know (hopefully) how to work out any kinks.
[17:00] <y3k> That makes sense, I'll try to contact them.
[17:00] <leftyfb> and will support that outdated kernel
[17:01] <leftyfb> I guess it's technically supported by someone until 2026 :)
[17:02] <ogra> userspace surely is 😛
[17:02] <leftyfb> I meant the kernel. According to wikipedia it's an LTS kernel
[17:02] <ogra> y3k, tht kernel is likely missing apparmor bits and pieces .... and probably also expected config defaults
[17:02] <leftyfb> they left
[17:03] <ogra> bah .... i saw them return but missed they left a second later again
[17:03] <ogra> (while i was typing in fact)
[18:10] <stolen> Can I install Bandicam.exe on Ubuntu using wine (i've never used wine)
[18:11] <leftyfb> !wine | stolen
[18:11] <deego> stolen: yes, in general. And, beyond that, it's all try and see .. soeme apps run, some don't
[18:12] <stolen> Thank You
[18:12] <deego> secondly, caution installing third-party malware, that prob. defeats the whole purpose of switching to ubuntu
[18:13] <stolen98> okay i'll take care of that
[18:14] <stolen98> okay i'll take care of that. I'll keep that in mind
[18:15] <stolen98> But in my 2017-2022 exp of using ubuntu, there are very few malware made for Linux
[18:20] <kushal_kumaran> as wine gets better at running Windows applications, it gets just as better at running Windows malware. So it's not linux malware you need to be worried about...
[18:22] <leftyfb> kushal_kumaran: I challenge you to run Windows malware in WINE. Years ago as an experiment, I spent an entire day trying to get a bunch of them to run. None worked as you would expect or at all.
[18:23] <stolen98> most attack system process but that differs very much in ubuntu from windows so malware can't understand what to do
[18:24] <Guest32> I'm not an expert by any means but I remember a virus that seemed written in VBscript (or was it javascript?) that somehow affected my Ubuntu too
[18:24] <kushal_kumaran> leftyfb: I don't use wine at all, actually. Do you mean that it hasn't actually gotten better since your experiment?
[18:24] <leftyfb> Guest32: I doubt it
[18:25] <kushal_kumaran> wait, I lied. I do use the proton version of wine through steam.
[18:25] <leftyfb> kushal_kumaran: I'm saying, Windows malware makes a lot of assumptions that just aren't present in WINE. They are unlikely to run
[18:26] <hack> bottles is nice also
[18:26] <leftyfb> we can take this discussion to #ubuntu-offtopic if you like
[18:28] <deego> stolen98: fair point. I used the term malware in the broader sense. closed-source Applications that may do things on my machine without my permission, telemetry, etc...
[18:46] <maxMcLion3> hello, does it work?
[18:47] <lotuspsychje> we see you maxMcLion3
[18:48] <maxMcLion3> I have problem with ubuntu, and i dont know how to solve it
[18:48] <Slartibart> Anyone wifi driver savvy around? After upgrading to 22.04 dmesg gives me 'Direct firmware load for iwlwifi-so-a0-hr-b0-73.ucode failed with error -2'. If I look in /usr/lib/firmware the versions available are -64, -68 and -71. Do I need to update some package?
[18:48] <Slartibart> ..actually it tries to load -72 as well
[18:50] <maxMcLion3> the problem is quite well described on this page: https://askubuntu.com/questions/333307/ubuntu-desktop-shifted-to-right
[18:50] <maxMcLion3> but it occurs only after few days for computer to be online. (so during restart it wanishes)
[18:51] <leftyfb> Slartibart: you might need the mainline kernel
[18:58] <Slartibart> leftyfb: How do I do that? Using the cappelikan PPA?
[18:58] <leftyfb> !mainline | Slartibart
[19:02] <Slartibart> Sorry for dumb questions, but which kernel version? The latest one, seems to be 5.19.1? Or would that cause other errors?
[19:03] <leftyfb> Slartibart: I would recommend just running "sudo mainline --install-latest" after installing mainline
[19:03] <leftyfb> Slartibart: and yes, it's the cappelikan PPA
[19:08] <maxMcLion3> i will try it gain: I have some computer (from china) with embedded screen, and it is rotated. i believe it is connected over eDP1. It should be used to be online 24/7.  But when it runs over period of time, screen move to right, and overlaps. so touchscreen does not match anymore.
[19:08] <maxMcLion3> When pc is restarted, or x server is restarted problem goes away, but after some time it occurs again. Can anyone help to pinpoint how to diagnose that?
[19:16] <maxMcLion3> i will try another channel. bye
[19:16] <Hash> ezstream[30705]: stream: default: format: MP3: This libshout doesn't support the requested option
[19:17] <Hash> libshout3 in ubuntu 22.04 breaks mp3 playbacks
[19:17] <Hash> 20.04 = Version: 2.4.3-1 is fine.
[19:17] <Hash> Anyone have any idea what's up?
[19:19] <leftyfb> Hash: mp3 playback works fine for me on ubuntu 22.04
[19:20] <Hash> So I'm going to try to do a container and run 20.04 there and ezstream lower version with diff libshout
[19:20] <Hash> Someone said:
[19:20] <Hash> > I encountered the same issue recently on a Debian/Sid machine after upgrading to ezstream 1.0.2 built against libshout3 2.4.5, and while switching the stream to Ogg worked around it, that resulted in some fairly terrible stream discontinuities. Downgrading to ezstream 1.0.1 with libshout3 2.4.4 restored things to working order with my original MP3 stream configuration.
[19:20] <leftyfb> containers don't playboack sound by default
[19:32] <Hash> How to downgrade some packages from 22 to 20?
[19:32] <leftyfb> Hash: that isn't supported here
[19:38] <ueberall> Hash: If you download the older .deb, you could try to just install it using "apt install ./<local-copy.deb>". You'll see a warning about the downgrade. But there's no guarantee that uninstall/install scripts which are part of the archive don't make things difficult in case of a downgrade.
[19:39] <ueberall> Also, you'll end up with an unsupported configuration, of course.
[19:40] <ueberall> Hash: *If* it works, don't forget to "apt-mark hold <pkgname>" or the next update will overwrite it with the newer version again.
[19:41] <Hash> Oh just saw
[19:41] <Hash> I did exactly that
[19:41] <Hash> then I held the packages
[19:41] <Hash> https://packages.ubuntu.com/focal/arm64/libshout3/download amd64 packs are avail
[19:41] <Hash> but the arm64 gives this page, no direct link.
[19:41] <Hash> https://ubuntu.pkgs.org/20.04/ubuntu-universe-arm64/ezstream_1.0.1-1_arm64.deb.html I had to use thi psage
[19:41] <Hash> http://ports.ubuntu.com/pool/universe/e/ezstream/ezstream_1.0.1-1_arm64.deb
[19:41] <Hash> then grab it from this deb link
[19:41] <Hash> etc.
[19:42] <Hash> I know how in debian you just add a repo and -t on apt-get
[19:42] <Hash> I don't how what ubuntu changes from defautl debian
[19:42] <sarnold> Hash: https://patches.ubuntu.com/
[19:42] <Hash> Oh useful
[21:48] <SuperLag> Why do packages get held back from upgrading?
[21:49] <SuperLag> And is there a way to figure out *why* specific packages are being held back?
[21:55] <jhutchins> SuperLag: Usually there's an un-met dependency like a library that needs to be upgraded at the same time, but the new version hasn't been uploaded yet.
[21:55] <jhutchins> SuperLag: This most often with third-party packages, say from a private PPA.
[21:56] <jhutchins> SuperLag: There should be something in one of the logs, but I've lost track of which one logs apt upgrades.
[21:57] <oerheks> can you pastbin what packages?
[21:57] <jhutchins> sarnold: i thought most of Ubuntu was directly downstream of the projects these days, not modified debian.
[21:57] <oerheks> ![aste
[21:57] <oerheks> !paste
[21:58] <SuperLag> oerheks: checking now...
[21:59] <SuperLag> jhutchins: oerheks: python3-software-properties and software-properties-common
[22:00] <SuperLag> sarnold: I feel stalked :D
[22:00] <jhutchins> SuperLag: Which repo are you pulling python from?
[22:00] <SuperLag> jhutchins: you too :D
[22:00] <oerheks> sounds like Phased Updates.
[22:00] <jhutchins> SuperLag: Probably just wait a day or so,.
[22:01] <oerheks> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PhasedUpdates
[22:01] <SuperLag> jhutchins: no PPAs on this particular system
[22:02] <jhutchins> Aren't we about due for a point release?
[22:02] <SuperLag> for the distro or for python?
[22:02] <oerheks> point release is out, for days
[22:02] <SuperLag> I was gonna say.... .1 recently came out for the distro
[22:02] <oerheks> sudo apt dist-upgrade # should pull those 2 in
[22:03] <SuperLag> negative
[22:03] <SuperLag> same message
[22:05] <oerheks> Then phased updates is the cause, just wait.
[22:05] <toddc> may aslo be a waiting on another progran to update first --dependency
[22:07] <toddc> server down for maintenance
[22:09] <oerheks> toddc, phased updates is a new thingy, also apt show if you need to reboot.
[22:14] <toddc> I made the mistake of forcing a update once---not again and phased are fine --apt if you really need it now
[22:17] <SuperLag> Nope. It just made me wonder if something was broken.
[22:19] <Slartibart> When I try to run mainline I get 'can't cd to /root/.cache/mainline/5.19.1' if I sudo, and similar if I try to run it with my own user. Anyone knows why? It seems it doesn't create the last folder..
[22:22] <jhutchins> Slartibart: Can you list the folder?  Is /root/.cache/mainline there?
[22:23] <Slartibart> jhutchins: Yes, it's just the last level that's missing. If I pre-create it it seems nothing is loaded and dpkg looks for file(s) that aren't there.
[22:26] <Slartibart> *downloaded
[22:27] <jhutchins> Where are you pulling the mainline package from?
[22:27] <Jeremy31> Github?
[22:27] <oerheks> Slartibart, tell him you used ppa:cappelikan/ppa to add mainline
[22:27] <oerheks> i have no clue how that tool works
[22:28] <oerheks> it is not official, not the mainline repo, use at your own risk
[22:28] <oerheks> c/not/nor
[22:28] <Slartibart> Ok, I used ppa:cappelikan/ppa to iadd mainline
[22:28] <Slartibart> oerheks: You mean git?
[22:29] <oerheks> that weird package is build from git, yes
[22:29] <oerheks> unsupported.
[22:30] <Slartibart> ..so I should pull it from git?
[22:30] <Slartibart> ..after uninstalling, of course
[22:30] <oerheks> You do seem to have a reason to use a newer kernel, mainline is just a test
[22:30] <Jeremy31> Unsupported program that installs unsupported kernels
[22:31] <oerheks> jups
[22:32] <Slartibart> =-|.. So.. I should use something like https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/MainlineBuilds to get a newer kernel?
[22:33] <Slartibart> ..or am I being dumb here?
[22:34] <oerheks> pull those 3 kernel parts, and follow instructions to install them in the right order
[22:35] <sarnold> SuperLag: *so* stalked :)
[22:44] <Slartibart> oerheks: 3 parts? Headers, image and modules? First time for me. I've built a thing or two before though, so I hope I'm not all green..
[23:54] <Praxis> Hey I am trying to migrate my plex to a new instance of Ubuntu, but no matter how many times I try to move /var/lib/plexmediaserver/ over, or what order I do things in, it thinks it's new install and doesn't see the database. Can anyone help?
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