[00:05] <leftyfb> SleePy: virtio? This is a VM?
[00:05] <SleePy> Yes
[00:05] <SleePy> KVM on a Ubuntu 22.04.4 host.
[00:06] <leftyfb> this is information that should be provided during the initial ask
[00:07] <SleePy> My bad.  I wasn't aware the VM, KVM and Virtio was the problem.  Just that it was getting stuck at that message.  I only figured it out when I disabled all mounts in my fstab and then slowly renabled them until it hangs during startup
[00:11] <Square> yay. Ubuntu upgrade went well
[00:11] <Square> 20.04.? -> 22.04.1
[00:11] <rud0lf> cool
[00:11] <rud0lf> nothing wrong?
[00:11] <enigma9o7[m]> great scott!
[00:12] <enigma9o7[m]> normally people come to irc to report failure
[00:12] <enigma9o7[m]> i think you're the first to come to irc to report success
[00:12] <Square> rud0lf, i had some oddities with themes, but it seems mostly fixed now.
[00:13] <rud0lf> i see, thanks for reply
[00:13] <Square> can't say i have tested low level things yet. But seems working
[02:07] <SleePy> Well that sucks.  Upgraded a box to 22.04.  Lost the remote ssh session and the backup on 1022.  Get a physical monitor/keyboard on it.  It won't let me login.  So had to force reboot it.  System won't finish booting, errors out.  So now trying on a live cd in a chroot, seeing if I can run dpkg reconfigure to fix it..
[02:08] <sarnold> :(
[02:08] <SleePy> Odd thing is, once I setup the chroot, I can't get network resolution.  Got a IP, but no resolution.  The local dns service won't start or something.
[02:09] <sarnold> be sure to set up the /etc/resolv.conf and so on within the chroot context, for processes that use that as the root
[02:09] <SleePy> I can't modify that file.  systemd/netplan BS
[02:11] <sarnold> hmm, maybe I didn't understand what your chrooting from and to, then :) heh
[02:11] <SleePy> I could exit the chroot, try to bind the live cds resolver file.  It has a 127.0.0.53, which seems to work in the chroot to resolve
[02:11] <sarnold> ah yeah, tcp ports aren't scoped by chroots :)
[02:12] <SleePy> Live cd, I assembled the mdadm, then strapped it and chroot into the raid.  Running dkpg reconfigure right now to see if it will repair things
[02:13] <SleePy> Well, dpkg finished with a error.  apt install -f, that finished and rand dpkg reconfigure again, non errors.  Lets hope..
[02:14] <sarnold> ooo happy thoughts
[02:14] <SleePy> Well it KPed...
[02:14] <sarnold> ?
[02:15] <SleePy> kernel panic
[02:15] <sarnold> ah!
[02:16] <SleePy> Sounds like it can't find the volume.  Not sure what is up with that.  Sounds like its missing the mdadm to assemble the raid and boot
[02:58] <SleePy> darn thing.  Use live cd to modify the grub config, as I'm not able to get it to show.  Get it to show, boot into a older kernel.  It works.  Run update-initramfs, update-grub and reboot.  fails again. So older kernel works.  Just need to figure out why I can't get it to work on the latest
[03:02] <arraybolt3> SleePy: What error are you getting? (You might have said it already, but I missed it.)
[03:02] <SleePy> Its getting a kernel panic saying it can't find the device.  Kernel 5.4.0.-124.  If I use 5.4.0-122, it works.
[03:03] <arraybolt3> SleePy: It's the "no root device found" one, right?
[03:03] <arraybolt3> Also, do you have encryption enabled?
[03:04] <SleePy> "end Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0)"
[03:04] <SleePy> no
[03:04] <arraybolt3> Right, that's the one.
[03:04] <arraybolt3> Hmm, both kernels have the same "root=UUID=<big long ID>" argument on their command line, right?
[03:04] <SleePy> I can get -122 to boot.  So I just need to get it to repair the -124 and I'm good.
[03:04] <oerheks> but 22.04 uses 5.15 ...
[03:05] <arraybolt3> oerheks, they're probably on 20.04 with no HWE.
[03:05] <SleePy> Well that may explain it.  I need it to upgrade the kernel
[03:05] <arraybolt3> Some flavors do it that way.
 Well that sucks.  Upgraded a box to 22.04.
[03:05] <arraybolt3> SleePy, what version and flavor are you on?
[03:05] <SleePy> I had a failed upgrade to 22.04 I'm repairing
[03:06] <arraybolt3> SleePy, Are you using Ubuntu, or Lubuntu, or Kubuntu, or...?
[03:06] <SleePy> Ubuntu
[03:06] <arraybolt3> (They're all supported here, I'm just trying to figure out if your use of 5.4 kernel is normal or not.)
[03:07] <arraybolt3> SleePy, ok that's odd. Boot into the old kernel, and do "sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade" if you can.
[03:07] <arraybolt3> (Though if you had a failed upgrade that might not be possible.)
[03:08] <SleePy> I got it into a chroot on live cd and was able to get it to do a dpkg reconfigure and apt install -f.  So just fighting the kernel.  But with -122, I can boot into the system normally it looks like
[03:08] <arraybolt3> SleePy, well if you can get into the system at all I'd use the old kernel and finish repairing the upgrade. You have full backups, right?
[03:10] <sarnold> whioh is *really* weird because -122 had an oops that *really* messed up a lot of folks https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-hwe-5.4/+bug/1981658
[03:10] <SleePy> Its just a kvm host.  Reinstalling it just means reinstalling kvm and nfs exports.  Which I have config backups of both.  So not worried
[03:11] <SleePy> "Waiting for cache lock: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock-frontend. It is held by process 4548 (unattended-upgr)"
[03:11] <arraybolt3> SleePy, that should go away with time.
[03:11] <SleePy> Yea, I will wait on it
[03:12] <sarnold> heh it might even solve your problem for you :)
[03:12] <SleePy> Maybe.. 900 some odd packages showed up for updates..
[03:12] <oerheks> nice
[03:12] <SleePy> We will just keep beatings until it improves
[03:28] <SleePy> Looks like it upgraded the kernel and is booting now.  A few more errors, but I will work those out tomorrow.  One being its not getting the right ip, assuming netplan is messed up.  The other is a start job for a /tmp/900 and /tmp/1024.  Will look into those tomorrow
[03:31] <oerheks> SleePy, have fun!
[03:32] <SleePy> Will do.  Thanks for the help
[04:01] <JoeLlama> I have a Dell PowerEdge R720 server which is just going to be used as a RAID6 system.  Should I download unbuntu desktop or ubuntu server?
[04:07] <webchat74> my ubuntu 22.o4 has refused to strat
[04:07] <webchat74> Failed to open a session for the virtual machine ubuntu-22.04.
[04:07] <webchat74> Not in a hypervisor partition (HVP=0) (VERR_NEM_NOT_AVAILABLE).
[04:07] <webchat74> VT-x is disabled in the BIOS for all CPU modes (VERR_VMX_MSR_ALL_VMX_DISABLED).
[04:07] <webchat74> Result Code: E_FAIL (0x80004005)
[04:07] <webchat74> Component: ConsoleWrap
[04:08] <oerheks> VT-x is disabled .. why?
[04:13] <toddc> JoeLlama: need more info most R720 use a perc hardware raid so you could install either desktop or server on the3 raid 6 depends on what you want to do with it and skill
[04:14] <Minor723> Hello, I just installed ubuntu server again, and then installed plexmediaserver, but plex does not have access to a folder on my home desktop. How can i make sure it has access?
[04:15] <oerheks> plex is paid stuff, did you look at their docs?
[04:15] <oerheks> i am not going to work for them.
[04:15] <oerheks> https://support.plex.tv/articles/
[04:32] <arraybolt3> Minor723: I ran into something about that the other day and I think we were able to fix it. One moment while I look it up...
[04:37] <arraybolt3> Minor723, does this help? https://askubuntu.com/questions/150909/plex-wont-enter-my-home-directory-or-other-partitions
[04:39] <arraybolt3> JoeLlama, I'd go with Server since that's what its job is (Ubuntu Desktop will likely be sluggish with the graphics capabilities of a rack server like that). If you need a GUI so you can configure things more comfortably, you could install LXQT on the server to give you a lightweight UI. (Full disclosure - I am a Lubuntu contributor, and Lubuntu uses LXQT.)
[04:59] <Minor723> arraybolt3 yes that did thank you so much
[04:59] <arraybolt3> Minor723: Glad to be able to help!
[05:07] <arraybolt3[m]> This might be silly, and I think it's just the result of a transient error, but is there some reason that the core_20 snap would randomly become a mountable loop device in Nautilus? Would this be indicative of a problem? Ubuntu 22.04, GNOME desktop with no extensions. Verified where the random 65 MB Volume came from by using "losetup --list".
[05:24] <JoeLlama> thanks toddc... gunna go software raid 6
[05:25] <JoeLlama> that is my goal
[05:29] <JoeLlama> gunna install ubuntu desktop
[06:55] <frickler> is there any known issue with the torrent tracker? used to be the fastest way to download isos, now I only receive a trickle
[07:02] <toddc> frickler: I noticed the samething but I assummed due to more people with high speed internet just doing direct downloads plus most non it users just using a mobile device
[07:04] <arraybolt3> frickler, Ubuntu 22.04.1 was *just* released so it might not have many seeders yet.
[07:04] <guiverc> frickler, the speed varies on how many people seed.. at times it's the fastest, but isn't always (can also be slowest too)
[07:05] <arraybolt3[m]> (I'd seed it but my ISP might not like that.)
[07:06] <toddc> just restarted my seeding to test
[07:21] <frickler> seems 20.04.4 is affected as well. the only peer I see is 185.125.190.59==torrent.ubuntu.com., so I'm pretty convinced there is some issue with it, not announcing any other peers
[07:21] <toddc> frickler: I got no seeds no peers no idea
[07:55] <masber> hi,I have  ubuntu 20.04.4 LTS running in my laptop and just now  I reveived a notification asking for approval to  upgrade  to 20.04.1  LTS? why is it asking to upgrade to a lwer version?
[07:55] <ravage> frickler, https://i.imgur.com/p9eZWDM.png
[07:56] <ravage> masber, read again
[07:56] <ravage> it is 22.04.1
[07:57] <masber> oh yeah sorry
[07:57] <masber> time to get glasses
[08:31] <rhombus> I cannot find cc1 despite having build-essential installed. Reinstalls haven't helped. Running Ubuntu 20.04.
[08:32] <rhombus> Doing an update now, maybe that will help.
[08:47] <rhombus> Okay, the update didn't help. What package is supposed to contain cc1?
[08:48] <rhombus> Is this a path bug?
[09:09] <rhombus> Okay, I have tried numerous updates, nothing has worked. Why is cc1 not properly symlinked in focal?
[09:14] <TS24> Hello! Does anyone happen to know how to force the desktop screen mode in 22.04? I think it auto-detects that it can use a higher refresh rate or something, but the graphics card cannot keep up and the screen just looks distorted and resets every few seconds.
[09:18] <EriC^^> TS24: you can use xrandr, "xrandr -q" should list the available modes and you can add your own as well
[09:19] <EriC^^> TS24: i think that doesnt make sense though, the graphics just pushes stuff, it wont work more for the screen framerate, i dont think
[09:20] <EriC^^> TS24: "sudo ubuntu-drivers devices" lists the graphics driver and recommended one, if it's not installed maybe it might fix the problem
[09:25] <Arsimael> Does anyone know why Ubuntu's desktop in 20.04 is deactivating my extensions at every login?
[09:25] <TS24> If you change the screen resolution it will have a timer that reverts automatically back to the previous configuration if it turns out that the new resolution doesn't work, so you are not stuck trying to undo the change without graphics. My problem now is that it auto-detects a bad graphics mode on boot, and so I only have half working graphics and
[09:25] <TS24> there is no timer to revert to a working configuration, so I think I need a way to force it by editing some configuration file etc.
[09:26] <EriC^^> TS24: that timer is for you when you manually edit it from the Display settings, it gives you some time to confirm you want it or reverts
[09:27] <EriC^^> TS24: can you run "(sudo ubuntu-drivers devices; lshw -C video; xrandr -q) | nc termbin.com 9999" and paste the link it gives you here?
[09:28] <rhombus> I am having some builds fail because the system cannot find cc1, even though I have build-essential installed. How can I determine what's wrong here?
[09:37] <TS24> This is what I get, but you should remember that I can only run this in safe graphics mode or just root terminal without graphics, as I don't have working graphics at the moment: https://termbin.com/s2q7
[09:40] <TS24> I think I had the same problem earlier and I managed to fix it by tweaking some configuration, but now after the update it reverted. I also think that back then running from a live boot USB drive detected the graphics correctly, or at least I got a working screen mode.
[09:41] <TS24> This is a pretty old installation so I'm wondering if I have remnants of some old configuration laying around somewhere that is causing the problem.
[09:44] <Sander^home> Hi. How can I make python webserver be able to upload files without interfering with apparmor?
[09:44] <Sander^home> I guess there is a bug there, www-data user needs to be exempted
[09:58] <Karatavuk> Hi
[10:00] <bittin> hi
[10:19] <Sander^home> theres a package that needs to go into apache2: https://serverfault.com/questions/932410/enabling-apparmor-for-apache2-in-ubuntu-18-04
[10:20] <Sander^home> *I mean, requirement to install*, dependency.
[10:21] <HisShadow> Can someone tell me what locale-gen uses for the list of locales? /etc/locale.gen seems to be ignored, I put 1 locale there but it insists on generating a plethora of others
[10:36] <ogra> HisShadow, "man localedef" points to /usr/lib/locale/locale-archive ...
[10:37] <HisShadow>  it's some binary file
[10:38] <ogra> well, read the manpage ...
[10:38] <ogra> it explains how to add new locales as well ...
[10:43] <HisShadow> don't see a way of removing locale permanently from the locale-gen list
[11:11] <takki> hello
[11:11] <takki> can anyone help me? im having trouble installing wine
[11:12] <takki> this error keeps popping up (/usr/share/keyrings/winehq-archive.key’ already there; not retrieving.)
[11:56] <takki> can anyone help me? im having trouble installing wine
[11:56] <takki> this error keeps popping up (/usr/share/keyrings/winehq-archive.key’ already there; not retrieving.)
[11:57] <ogra> that's not an error at all ... it just informs you that you already got the key ...
[11:58] <liohman> hi guys! Where I cat set in Ubuntu 22.04 "elevator=deadline" in etc/defult/grub is OK, but the disk scheduler continue to be [none]
[11:58] <ogra> liohman, have you run "sudo update-grub" after editing the file ?
[11:59] <liohman> yep, and I see it in /proc/smdline
[11:59] <liohman> cmdline*
[12:01] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[12:01] <ogra> liohman, and if you cat the sysfs path to "queue/scheduler" for your disk, what does it show beyond "none" ?
[12:02] <liohman> cat /sys/block/sdc/queue/scheduler
[12:02] <liohman> [none] mq-deadline
[12:02] <ogra> so there is no "dadline" scheduler but an mq-deadline ....
[12:02] <liohman> I will try with mq- now
[12:02] <takki> i already got the key but i cant still use grapejuice
[12:02] <ogra> right
[12:02] <takki> i think i did something that messes it up
[12:03] <liohman> echo deadline to /sys works, and change it to mq-deadline
[12:03] <ogra> takki, that might be, but the key is very likely not involved in that
[12:04] <takki> wait
[12:04] <liohman> nothing happens :(
[12:04] <ogra> what do you expect to happen ?
[12:05] <takki> when i do this code (sudo wget -nc -O /usr/share/keyrings/winehq-archive.key https://dl.winehq.org/wine-builds/winehq.key)
[12:05] <liohman> cat /proc/cmdline : BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-5.15.0-46-generic root=UUID=5a..... ro maybe-ubiquity elevator=mq-deadline
[12:05] <takki> it says (/usr/share/keyrings/winehq-archive.key’ already there; not retrieving.)
[12:05] <liohman> cat /sys/block/sdc/queue/scheduler   [none] mq-deadline
[12:07] <liohman> takki: do you use ubuntu 22?
[12:10] <liohman> takki: read this article https://askubuntu.com/questions/1403556/key-is-stored-in-legacy-trusted-gpg-keyring-after-ubuntu-22-04-update
[12:10] <liohman> can be helpful in your case
[12:11] <ogra> liohman, hmm ... perhaps ask in #ubuntu-kernel what changed ?
[12:11] <liohman> ogra: thanks, I will do it
[12:12] <ogra> liohman, though i'm curious how the "maybe-ubiquity" got into your cmdline ... thats only there on live images IIRC
[12:16] <liohman> ogra: I am trying with and without it.... same sh** happens
[12:40] <artem> is anybody?
[12:49]  * ogra thinks he is ... 
[13:03] <mstucka> Hello! I've got an Xubuntu virtual machine on DigitalOcean that's having major problems after an upgrade to 22.04.1. apparmor seems to repeatedly be trying to load /usr/lib/connman/scripts/dhclient-script. Any ideas?
[13:04] <mstucka> And apparently /usr/lib/connman no longer exists.
[13:18] <napnap> Hi all, how can I delete users list at login screen ? Not disable it but remove "old" user ? (Users exists in samba ADDC but not in local account)
[14:00] <mstucka> OK, I think I've narrowed my problem. After a do-release-upgrade to 22.04.1, dhclient hangs with apparmor on boot and then can't get a connection later. If I manually force the network config with ifconfig I can't get any traffic. Any ideas?
[14:38] <Ecko> Hi
[14:40] <Ecko> When I do `chmod g+s .`, any newly created files will have the group the same as `.`, however files mv'ed or cp'ed won't change their group, right? But what about files uploaded by FTP/SFTP/SCP? Does anyone know what happens with those?
[14:54] <kushal_kumaran> Ecko: Files created through that path will inherit gid. So, cp, ftp,scp, etc will get the gid. Moved files will not change their gid, at least as long as it is a move within filesystem boundary. Across file systems, the mv command will do a copy and delete, which means the gid should inherit, but I haven't tried this out myself.
[15:07] <jak> hey all, I have a bluetooth device that I can't seem to connect to my ubuntu machine; connects fine to my ipad and macbook. Looking hopefully for general bt debugging strategies but can provide more detail if someone wants to help with my specific issue
[15:32] <river> hey
[15:33] <river> How do I get python-pysqlite2 on jammy? it seems to be gone. is there a replacement?
[15:35] <ravage> with pip i guess?
[15:45] <hans_> when do-release-upgrade says
[15:45] <hans_> >Some third party entries in your sources.list were disabled. You can  re-enable them after the upgrade with the 'software-properties' tool  or your package manager.
[15:45] <hans_> it really should've offered a diff view! to see which were disabled
[15:46] <hans_> anyway, how can i see which sources do-release-upgrade disabled?
[15:46] <oerheks> all 3rd party sources are disabled, hans_
[15:46] <ravage> all in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
[15:47] <ravage> and aso in the sources.list file
[15:47] <ravage> but usually PPAs dont touch that
[15:47] <ravage> *also
[15:47] <oerheks> no, sources.list is not populated anymore with 3rd party stuff
[15:47] <hans_> odd, /etc/apt/sources.list.d/docker.list seems intact , containing >deb [arch=amd64 signed-by=/etc/apt/keyrings/docker.gpg] https://download.docker.com/linux/ubuntu   focal stable
[15:48] <ravage> i usually just rename the whole /etc/apt/sources.list.d folder before an upgrade
[15:48] <oerheks> uh oh
[15:48] <hans_> is docker in some kind of do-release-upgrade whitelist, perhaps?
[15:48] <ravage> i have not tested if the updater dooes it correctly to be honest
[15:48] <ravage> it should have disabled them
[15:49] <hans_> well it didn't, but i haven't gotten to the point where im supposed to restart, either, maybe it will disable them prior to the restart phase?
[15:49] <hans_> (didn't disable docker repo, at least)
[15:49] <ravage> if you can still cancel then do it and disable all PPAs
[15:49] <oerheks> maybe docker is whitelisted, not sure
[15:50] <oerheks> the upgrader disables them, no need to do it manually
[15:50] <oerheks> have fun!
[15:50] <ravage> looks like it didnt?
[16:19] <hans_> i guess Python2.7 is completely gone in 22.04 ?
[16:20] <leftyfb> !info python2.7
[16:20] <InPhase> hans_: It's there, but no longer default installed.
[16:20] <ravage> sudo apt install python2
[16:20] <hans_> oh nice
[16:21] <ravage> avoid it if you can though
[16:21] <InPhase> hans_: Make sure to leave /usr/bin/python as python3 from now on.
[16:21] <ravage> it is EOL since 2020
[16:21] <hans_> seems the 20.04->22.04 upgrade was a success! \o/
[16:22] <hans_> but.. it didn't properly upgrade the docker apt source ... disappointing
[16:22] <jhutchins> Unfortunately it's not backward compatible, so there's plenty of code that fails if it's upgraded.
[16:22] <jhutchins> RE: python.
[16:22] <hans_>  /etc/apt/sources.list.d/docker.list  still exists, and still says deb [arch=amd64 signed-by=/etc/apt/keyrings/docker.gpg] https://download.docker.com/linux/ubuntu   focal stable
[16:22] <ravage> im sure you can fix that
[16:23] <hans_> it's disappointing that it wasn't addressed. it was neither disabled, nor was "focal" wasn't replaced with "jammy"
[16:23] <hans_> an issue with 22.04's do-release-upgrade imo
[16:23] <ravage> life is full of disappointments
[16:23] <oerheks> maybe docker needs a new key?
[16:23] <oerheks> https://download.docker.com/linux/ubuntu/dists/jammy/
[16:23] <oerheks> you will find out
[16:24] <hans_> someone should complain on the do-release-upgrade bugtracker, where-ever it is?
[16:24] <ravage> someone = you
[16:24] <hans_> yeah, where is the do-release-upgrade bugtracker?
[16:24] <ravage> ubuntu-bug  do-release-upgrade
[16:24] <hans_> thanks
[16:25] <hans_> *** Problem in do-release-upgrade: The problem cannot be reported: This report is about a package that is not installed.
[16:25] <hans_> lel
[16:25] <hans_> >E: Unable to locate package do-release-upgrade
[16:25] <ravage> ubuntu-release-upgrader-core
[16:26] <hans_> that works! thanks
[16:27] <hans_> >Please wait while bug data is processed. This page will refresh every 10 seconds until processing is complete.
[16:27] <hans_> oh didn't take long ^^
[16:32] <bn_work> hi, any recommendations on using either the `traceroute` vs `inetutils-traceroute` package?  ie:  which is better?
[16:33] <hans_> reported :) https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-release-upgrader/+bug/1986842
[16:34] <leftyfb> bn_work: try #ubuntu-offtopic for software opinions
[16:35] <bn_work> ok... that's considered off-topic?
[16:35] <hans_> bn_work: i'd go with inetutils-traceroute because i'm familiar with inetutils (:
[16:35] <leftyfb> bn_work: software opinions are offtopic, yes
[16:35] <bn_work> or I guess because this channel is mostly support-focused?
[16:36] <leftyfb> correct
[16:37] <bn_work> fair enough :)  PS: thanks hans_
[16:37] <hans_> vscode repo was disabled by do-release-upgrade, docker repo was not disabled. indeed seems docker.list is in a whitelist :)
[16:40] <jak> hey all, I have a bluetooth device that I can't seem to connect to my ubuntu machine; connects fine to my ipad and macbook. Looking hopefully for general bt debugging strategies but can provide more detail if someone wants to help with my specific issue
[16:41] <leftyfb> jak: if you'd like help, please provide the details and someone might chime in
[16:42] <jak> the device in question is an HHKB Pro Hybrid, which I try to run through the normal device pairing procedure, which either fails halfway through, or seems to pair but then never connects
[16:43] <jak> I tried using bluetoothctl to pair it, but it just hangs
[16:44] <oerheks> for BT issues, i installed Bluez. after pairing, trusting, the normal routine works fine
[16:44] <oerheks> !bluez
[16:44] <oerheks> !bleuz
[16:44] <oerheks> !info bluez
[16:45] <jak> oerheks: I'll give that a shot, thanks
[16:45] <oerheks> just make sure other devices have BT disabled.
[16:45] <oerheks> maybe those hijack your HHKB
[16:55] <bn_work> ok... #ubuntu-offtopic seems very off-topic, lol
[16:55] <lotuspsychje> !discuss | bn_work there's also
[16:56] <bn_work> (they're talking politics over there)
[16:56] <bn_work> ah, thanks lotuspsychje
[16:57] <jadenlian> im trying to remote connect to my gnome-box(ubuntu) but the local ip that it gets 10.10..2.15  its not the local ip that i have on my host-machine 192.168.0.135  how can i fix this
[17:00] <hans_> wtf, do-release-upgrade installed apache http server o.0
[17:00] <hans_> why
[17:00] <hans_> i need port 80 for other stuff
[17:00] <hans_> and i already have nginx (running on port 81)
[17:01] <hans_> why does do-release-upgrade's 20.04->22.04 install apache httpd?
[17:12] <hans_> fwiw asked on askubuntu, https://askubuntu.com/questions/1424150/why-does-do-release-upgrade-20-04-22-04-install-apache-httpd
[17:12] <jhutchins> hans_: Hard to say if the original wasn't a clean, untouched new install.  Too many variables.
[17:13] <jhutchins> hans_: Was it a desktop system? A server?
[17:14] <hans_> jhutchins: it wasn't. all i know for certain is that it was installed fresh sometime in 2022 (because it's specifically named "DevAd22", the 22 referring to the year of creation)
[17:14] <hans_> jhutchins: a desktop system,
[17:15] <jhutchins> hans_: It definitely sounds like a bug, a spurious dependency, but it's really hard to track down.
[17:15] <tomreyn> looking at the release-upgrade logs would probably help
[17:17] <hans_> ohhh seems related to php-something
[17:17] <hans_> https://paste.debian.net/plain/1250775
[17:17] <hans_> i have php-cli and php-fpm installed, configured to be used by nginx
[17:18] <tomreyn> and you use aptitude
[17:18] <hans_> yeah i googled "how to see why a package is installed", and the first result said "use aptitude", so i installed aptitude
[17:19] <hans_> is that bad somehow?
[17:20] <jhutchins> hans_: You might have to manually examine the dependency lists for php-cli and php-fpm.  They should be met by a generic "web server" which nginx should provide.
[17:21] <jhutchins> hans_: You should be able to have both installed without over-riding port 80 anyway, that's a separate issue.
[17:22] <jhutchins> hans_: Can you confirm that Apache took over the port?
[17:23] <hans_> it did, but the port was free-ish anyway. my nginx is configured to use port 81, and docker only bind to port 80 on request/docker-compose-invocation, it was available when i ran do-release-upgrade
[17:23] <jhutchins> hans_: Actually, if you try to remove Apache, it should tell you what is depending on it.
[17:24] <tomreyn> hans_: i would not recommend using aptitude for package management these days, but as long as you're just using it to inspect such things its probably safe. note that it resolves dependencies differently than apt, though.
[17:24] <jhutchins> hans_: So nginx is in a container?
[17:24] <hans_> that's horrifying, i thought both apt and aptitude would tell dpkg to figure it out, or something?
[17:25] <jhutchins> hans_: apt, apt-get, and aptitude have different resolving processes.
[17:25] <hans_> jhutchins: no, nginx is installed outside any container. (yes i have nginx in a container as well, but i don't think what i have in containers are relevant)
[17:26] <hans_> jhutchins: that's horrifying, someone should centralize that x.x
[17:26] <hans_> waiiiiit, do apt and apt-get use different resolving as well?
[17:26] <hans_> i thought apt was just fancy gui stuff over apt-get?
[17:28] <hans_> where is the do-release-upgrade logs?
[17:30] <ravage> should be in /var/log/dist-upgrade
[17:31] <hans_> yup seems "php" package is to blame, https://termbin.com/ybzhv
 apt and apt-get resolve dependencies the same way. apt is meant to be a more user friendly alterantive for apt-get.
[17:32] <jhutchins> hans_: It could be that because nginx is in a container, the system as a whole is not aware of it.
[17:33] <hans_> jhutchins: nginx is also outside the container, nginx is installed with `sudo apt-get install nginx-full`
[17:33] <hans_> (but configured to listen on port 81)
[17:33] <jhutchins> hans_: Ok, rules that out.
[17:33] <jhutchins> hans_: Looks like you've got a bug to report!
[17:36] <hans_> okay i'll leave it at > it seems that if you have the PHP package installed, but not the apache2 package installed, before upgrading, do-release-upgrade will install apache2 during the upgrade, quoting the upgrade /var/log/dist-upgrade/apt.log  - blah blah more at  https://askubuntu.com/a/1424154/462413
[17:37] <jhutchins> +
[17:38] <jhutchins> hans_: Yeah, I think that should be resolved.  If there's something in the Apache packages that an nginx/php installation requires, it needs to be provided seperately.
[17:38] <jhutchins> Apache is a pretty big millstone to be hung on what's supposed to be a lightweight configuration.
[17:38] <jhutchins> hans_: Raise some hell.
[17:43] <tomreyn> the php8.1 metapackage which got installed during the upgrade, because you have the php package installed, has some dependencies, which can result in this: https://packages.ubuntu.com/jammy/php8.1
[17:43] <tomreyn> but you could just satisfy this differently
[17:44] <hans_> i already had the php-fpm package installed (or at the very least, the php7.4-fpm package installed) which should have satisfied the php8.1 requirements
[17:44] <hans_> i guess it's possible that i only had php7.4-fpm installed, and not php-fpm
[17:46] <jhutchins> That should still satisfy it.
[17:50] <john> I am having a problem compiling GUIX. I have a guile-git which it can't find despite the fact that it has been downloaded from the repository. Anyone have a solution?
[17:50] <river> ask #guix
[17:51] <jhutchins> john: What was your source for the guix code?
[17:52] <john> jhutchins, The git repository
[17:53] <leftyfb> john: sorry, we can only support Ubuntu here. You'll have to seek support from the GUIX vendor/maintainer
[17:54] <arraybolt3[m]> leftyfb: GUIX is supplied in the Ubuntu repositories.
[17:54] <arraybolt3[m]> It's a package manager like Apt and Snap.
[17:55] <cluelessperson> I'm having difficulty getting Ubuntu (latest iso release) to boot after installation with UEFI/secure boot enabled.
[17:55] <cluelessperson> Lenovo Thinkpad X1 Gen10,  wondering if I'm doing something wrong
[17:55] <leftyfb> cluelessperson: disable secure boot
[17:55] <arraybolt3[m]> cluelessperson: What error messages are you getting?
[17:55] <jhutchins> john: Honestly, a package that is expected to work with ubuntu should be aware of where ubuntu installs it's requirements.  This is a flaw in the GUIX dependency list (make file), it needs to be addressed by the GUIX project.
[17:56] <john> leftyfb, It is being buildty on ubuntu so if it is a repository problem it might belong here. When I look at the files installed by guile-git I cant find the library, only doc and such
[17:56] <cluelessperson> leftyfb, Is it possible to run with secure boot enabled?
[17:56] <cluelessperson> leftyfb, I want secure boot on I think
[17:56] <leftyfb> cluelessperson: possible? depends on the hardware, but usually. Worth the trouble? no
[17:57] <arraybolt3[m]> leftyfb: If he wants Secure Boot on, we should help him do that. It's there for a reason. I just need to know the error messages so I can help fix the problem.
[17:57] <cluelessperson> arraybolt3[m], no error messages just blackscreen/reboot
[17:57] <jhutchins> cluelessperson: Secure boot exists to prevent you from installing linux.  That function has been compromised because nobody would put up with it.
[17:58] <jhutchins> cluelessperson: There is no realistic threat model that Secure boot defends against.
[17:58] <arraybolt3[m]> jhutchins: LOL it can help make FDE work better.
[17:58] <arraybolt3[m]> cluelessperson: Can you get into the GRUB boot menu by pressing Esc just after the screen goes black at early boot?
[17:59] <leftyfb> arraybolt3[m]: this is the first I'm hearing about this and I'm very skeptical that it's true
[17:59] <arraybolt3[m]> jhutchins: FDE + Secure Boot + BIOS Password = impossible to get into the computer without physically removing the hard drive. That would be useful.
[17:59] <leftyfb> arraybolt3[m]: you might be thinking of TPM
[17:59] <cluelessperson> jhutchins, my understanding is that the point of secure boot is to prevent boot modifications at the bios level, such that the installing system just has to create it's own key, sign the boot image, and install the public key in the bios.
[17:59] <cluelessperson> jhutchins, I imagine that some of these companies have intentionally made things harder for linux, but on the surface, this concept is something that I value.
[18:00] <arraybolt3[m]> leftyfb, jhutchins: Perhaps a better place for discussing Secure Boot or no Secure Boot would be #ubuntu-discuss?
[18:01] <arraybolt3[m]> cluelessperson: It makes it so that only trusted kernels and modules can be loaded on the system preventing OS-level rootkits from being installed.
[18:02] <jhutchins> cluelessperson: It was developed by Intel at Microsoft's request to prevent people from installing Linux on systems with OEM installed Windows.  Fortunately, Linux had already made significant inroads on the server market, and several large clients informed Intel that they would switch to AMD if it was implemented.  Intel compromised by making it optional.
[18:03] <jhutchins> cluelessperson: It's function is to prevent users from booting to an alternate OS or installer.
[18:04] <jhutchins> !secure boot
[18:04] <jhutchins> Useless bot.
[18:04] <arraybolt3[m]> cluelessperson: If you can get into the GRUB menu by pressing Esc after the screen goes totally black during early boot, we might be able to fix the issue you're having.
[18:05] <lotuspsychje> !uefi | jhutchins
[18:05] <crischutu07> hello
[18:05] <crischutu07> hi
[18:06] <arraybolt3[m]> jhutchins: Whether Secure Boot is a good idea or not is of no consequence. He wants it on, we want to help him do that. Maybe his business requires it or maybe he's assessed his threat model and knows it will be helpful. Please, let's keep this support focused and save disabling Secure Boot as a last resort.
[18:06] <arraybolt3[m]> crischutu07: Hello, anything we can help you with?
[18:06] <crischutu07> my first time in here :)
[18:07] <bourne_cia> trying to figure out where pip is installing my mods they aren't getting picked up by the interpreter
[18:07] <oerheks> !info pip3
[18:07] <arraybolt3[m]> crischutu07: Welcome! This is the Ubuntu support channel, where people who are having issues with their Ubuntu systems can ask for help.
[18:07] <bourne_cia> yeah but pip is doing this
[18:08] <bourne_cia> not pip3
[18:08] <cluelessperson> bourne_cia, you'll need to be using the correct interpreter
[18:08] <bourne_cia> fresh install too running cinnamon
[18:08] <cluelessperson> bourne_cia, also my suggestion is not to use system pip
[18:08] <cluelessperson> (except for system things)
[18:09] <bourne_cia> the errors I am getting indicate it installs them in a hidden dir in /Home
[18:09] <Minor723> I am trying to start a systemd service and its getting Changing to the requested working directory failed: Permission denied I am starting the server as the same user I am logged in with
[18:10] <cluelessperson> bourne_cia, if you're building software, I highly suggest managing python version, packages per project with pyenv and venv
[18:10] <cluelessperson> Minor723, does your user have access to that directory?
[18:11] <bourne_cia> yeah he does
[18:11] <Minor723> Yeah its on my users desktop
[18:11] <bourne_cia> I\ll look into pyenv
[18:12] <[itchyjunk]> Hello, I have have trouble installing/upgrading stuff via apt (Ubuntu 18.04). It tells me to run `apt --fix-broken install`, but when I do, it tells me the following : https://bpa.st/AN2A
[18:12] <bourne_cia> the program I am developing needs mysql access mysql-conncetors is installed but the interpreter cannot see it
[18:12] <tomreyn> bourne_cia: ls -d ~/.local/lib/python*
[18:13] <Minor723> cluelessperson sorry didnt tag you, the minecraft server files are on a folder on my desktop and i can see the files in the terminal
[18:13] <ogra> Minor723, and yu created a user service (not a system service) file ?
[18:13] <ogra> *you
[18:13] <Minor723> ogra yes /etc/systemd/system/minecraft.service
[18:14] <Minor723> ogra https://dpaste.com/5ED7BBFAD service file contents
[18:14] <ogra> Minor723, well, ten it ries to run as root ... put it into /etc/systemd/user
[18:14] <cluelessperson> Okay, USB ubuntu iso boots fine, installs ubuntu, reboots, and now the laptop is in a boot loop.
[18:14] <ogra> and use systemctl --user ... to start it
[18:14] <tomreyn> [itchyjunk]: did you run    sudo apt update    beforehand?
[18:14] <cluelessperson> "lenovo" -> black screen -> reboot.
[18:14] <bourne_cia> no such dir
[18:15] <arraybolt3[m]> cluelessperson: If we can get into the GRUB menu, we can try to boot Linux in a debug mode that will show us what's going wrong.
[18:15] <arraybolt3[m]> This sounds like a kernel panic to me.
[18:16] <Minor723> so mv /etc/systemd/system/minecraft.service /etc/systemd/user/minecraft.service
[18:16] <bourne_cia> ls: cannot access '/home/jason/local/lib/python': No such file or directory
[18:16] <tomreyn> [itchyjunk]: actually, there are no libpython3.9 packages in bionic (18.04), you're using some third party repository
[18:16] <ogra> Minor723, right, and then systemctl --user enable ... and systemctl --user start ... like you would do normally
[18:17] <tomreyn> bourne_cia: looks like you missed the trailing *
[18:17]  * cluelessperson found a "diagnostics" because the people at lenovo don't know it's called "post messages"
[18:17] <[itchyjunk]> tomreyn, i did run `sudo apt update`
[18:17] <Minor723> ogra i have only ever done this sudo systemctl start minecraftm
[18:18] <cluelessperson> or pre?
[18:18] <cluelessperson> still
[18:18] <[itchyjunk]> tomreyn, how do i fix this? :(
[18:18] <cluelessperson> oh was that a le beep code?
[18:18] <bourne_cia> echo $PATH
[18:18] <cluelessperson> nope.
[18:18] <bourne_cia> /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games:/usr/local/games:/snap/bin
[18:18] <tomreyn> [itchyjunk]: you prevent such from happening by not using unsupported and incompatible packages.
[18:19] <arraybolt3[m]> cluelessperson: Out of curiosity, are you installing with the proprietary NVIDIA drivers enabled?
[18:19] <arraybolt3[m]> (I guess not out of curiosity, but because I think that might be the problem.)
[18:19] <bourne_cia> mmm none of those is the dir they are in
[18:19] <cluelessperson> arraybolt3[m], I don't think nvidia is in this system
[18:20] <arraybolt3[m]> Odd. That makes no sense why it would fail after installation then.
[18:21] <arraybolt3[m]> cluelessperson: When you can get into GRUB, edit the "Ubuntu" option and remove "quiet splash" from the kernel command line. Then boot that, and it should show you the error that's causing the problem.
[18:22] <tomreyn> [itchyjunk]: you can try   sudo dpkg --purge libpython3.9-stdlib libpython3.9-minimal    but this would only be the first step, and i'm too tired to guide through such mess tonight.
[18:22]  * arraybolt3[m] has to go afk
[18:23] <Minor723> ogra is the only difference adding --user
[18:23] <cluelessperson> arraybolt3[m], I'm not getting as far as grub
[18:24] <cluelessperson> arraybolt3[m], I'm geting bios post, black screen for several seconds, a single "thinkvantage diagnostics" message quick, clear, small "reset system" then reboot.
[18:24] <ogra> Minor723, well, you should run it witout sudo
[18:24] <sarnold> [itchyjunk]: you may have luck with the ppa-purge command from the ppa-purge package
[18:25] <sarnold> .. though installing that might be difficult, heh.
[18:25] <tomreyn> cluelessperson: try entering the bios setup utility, spam escape key after reset for 5-10s, then press the key to enter bios setup.
[18:26] <Minor723> ogra minecraft.service Failed to determine supplementary groups: operation not permitted
[18:26] <ogra> cluelessperson, btw "POST" (messages) is the acronym for "Power On Self Test" ... you can tell that to lenovo 😉
[18:27] <tomreyn> cluelessperson: once in there, disable fastboot, secureboot, make sure "ubuntu" is set as the primary boot target (if that's what you want, i.e. you don't want to boot into a different OS by default)
[18:27] <Minor723> ogra code=exited, status=216/GROUP
[18:27] <ogra> Minor723, hmm, and that group exists on your machine ?
[18:27] <[itchyjunk]> hmm
[18:27] <Minor723> im not sure actually I even tried commenting out the group in the service
[18:27] <cluelessperson> tomreyn, there's no mention of "fastboot",  I want to leave secureboot on.
[18:27] <sarnold> 'operation not permitted' on a getgroups() call sounds kinda vaguely sorta like seccomp filters
[18:28] <cluelessperson> tomreyn, I'm given no option to set ubuntu as a boot target, it just presents me disks to choose from.
[18:29] <bourne_cia> oh I see what happenned the install failed it says the file location is not writeable
[18:29] <cluelessperson> If lenovo hardware can't support linux in generally, I'm sending this shit back.
[18:30] <Minor723> ogra here is the permisssions of a file in the directory -rw-rw-rw-  1 minor723 minor723 3014625 Aug  8 05:54 forge-1.7.10-10.13.4.1558-1.7.10-universal.jar
[18:30] <ogra> okay, the group officially exists
[18:30] <Minor723> ogra here is the directory
[18:30] <Minor723> drwxrwxrwx 25 minor723 minor723 4096 Aug 17 13:41 QM
[18:30] <ogra> right
[18:30] <ogra> and did you pick a proper target from /etc/systemd/user for your service ?
[18:31] <Minor723> ogra Most likely not can you explain this more?
[18:31] <[itchyjunk]> I don't even know what I installed that broke apt this badly
[18:31] <tomreyn> cluelessperson: did you switch it to boot in legacy bios / CSM mode?
[18:31] <cluelessperson> arraybolt3[m], I have the assumption that ubuntu would install its own public key for secure boot, is that incorrect?
[18:31]  * cluelessperson thinks that's incorrect.
[18:31] <tomreyn> cluelessperson: you most likely should not if this is a computer from the past 10 years
[18:31]  * cluelessperson resets secureboot keys to factory default for the moment.
[18:32] <ogra> Minor723, wel, the "WantedBy" needs to point to a target in that dir so systemd knows where t start it when your user session starts if you log in
[18:32]  * cluelessperson reading https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UEFI/SecureBoot#Testing_UEFI_Secure_Boot
[18:32] <bourne_cia> I am going to bet that's also why phpmyadmin won't install correctly
[18:32] <tomreyn> cluelessperson: actually, if secureboot is on then you haven't
[18:32] <Minor723> ogra so instead of multi-user.target what would i put
[18:32] <bourne_cia> last dependencie is that one module
[18:33] <ogra> Minor723, pick one of the targets available in the dir
[18:33] <[itchyjunk]> https://bpa.st/A45Q
[18:33] <Minor723> ogra this is what is listed default.target.wants  gnome-session.target.wants  graphical-session-pre.target.wants  minecraft.service  pipewire.service.wants  pipewire-session-manager.service  sockets.target.wants   all of them have color mostly blue except minecraft
[18:33] <bourne_cia> I love this distro
[18:33] <ogra> Minor723, also, take a look at existing services in there to confirm the format of your service file is correct
[18:34] <tomreyn> [itchyjunk]: at least one of these: apt list --installed | grep ',local\]$' | nc termbin.com 9999
[18:34] <cluelessperson> arraybolt3[m], tomreyn   after resetting secure boot factory keys to default,  the computer boots to black screen.
[18:34] <cluelessperson> sits there.
[18:34] <[itchyjunk]> https://termbin.com/glwg
[18:35] <tomreyn> cluelessperson: have you tried turning it off and on again?
[18:35] <Minor723> ogra they seem to be setup like WantedBy=default.target
[18:36] <ogra> Minor723, hmm, that might work, not sure  ... here is some blog post explaining user services: https://www.unixsysadmin.com/systemd-user-services/
[18:36] <tomreyn> [itchyjunk]: oh, looks like the other incompatible repository which you have installed those python packages from is still active then
[18:37] <tomreyn> [itchyjunk]: apt policy <package_which_gives_error>    should tell you where it's from
[18:37] <cluelessperson> tomreyn, yes,  black screen reliably now
[18:38] <tomreyn> cluelessperson: there will be some way to enter the bios still, usually power off, then kep power button pressed for 10s. but it can be something else, see manual
[18:39] <Minor723> ogra nothing really working, is there a command to just allow everyone access to this one folder?
[18:39] <[itchyjunk]> https://bpa.st/5LGQ
[18:39] <tomreyn> cluelessperson: i mean press and hold
[18:39] <cluelessperson> tomreyn, my problem isn't getting to bios, I'm reporting that when I boot the nvme ssd it boots to a black screen and holds now.
[18:40] <tomreyn> cluelessperson: oh so it does boot now? i thought you said it was not booting at all
[18:40] <bourne_cia> Press F12 or (Fn+F12) rapidly and repeatedly at the Lenovo logo during bootup to open Windows Boot Manager. Select boot device in the list. This is a one-time-option. If the boot device is disabled in the BIOS, then the boot device cannot be selected using this method.
[18:41] <tomreyn> erversione: please pick one nickname and stay with that
[18:42] <cluelessperson> tomreyn, I am stating *exactly* what is doing.     Power on, Bios Post, Black Screen, Reboots, Bios Post, Supervisor Password Required, Boot Menu, I select NVME, Black Screen, Sits there black.
[18:42] <cluelessperson> I don't think it's booting.
[18:43] <sarnold> [itchyjunk]: try ppa-purge ppa:deadsnakes/ppa
[18:43] <cluelessperson> tomreyn, also, there is no windows boot manager.
[18:44] <jhutchins> cluelessperson: Have you considered the possibility that you might have a bad boot image?
[18:44] <bourne_cia> makes my problems look picayune
[18:45] <bourne_cia> lol now I don't feel like my problem is such a bigd deal
[18:46] <tomreyn> cluelessperson: sounds like a system which won't boot because it doesn't have a trusted boot loader available, or is not configured to boot to that.
[18:46] <jhutchins> bourne_cia: You might get around it by setting up something like lightdm to allow you to choose which desktop to boot.
[18:46] <jhutchins> cluelessperson: Startx has a provision to specify a desktop.
[18:46] <cluelessperson> jhutchins, I started this journal booting debian root from zfs,  ubuntu is my check to see that it works at all.  :P  so yes.
[18:46] <jhutchins> bourne_cia:  Startx has a provision to specify a desktop.
[18:46] <jhutchins> (Sry cluelessperson )
[18:47] <cluelessperson> jhutchins, I'm currently searching lenovo/community discussion of the security features and exactly what the linux support is.
[18:47] <bourne_cia> I was going to just find them and add it to $PATH
[18:47] <bourne_cia> simple fix
[18:47] <jhutchins> cluelessperson: Lenovo's got a pretty good Linux reputation.
[18:47] <cluelessperson> jhutchins, yeah, which makes me think I'm missing something obvious or overlooking something
[18:48] <cluelessperson> "You can use secure boot if you want - but you will have to enable the 3rd party certificate in the BIOS."
[18:48] <cluelessperson> hmm, testing
[18:48] <oerheks> erversione, stop the name change spam, thanks
[18:48] <bourne_cia> that's a script doing that
[18:49] <bourne_cia> BitchZ had it built in
[18:49] <bourne_cia> err BitchX
[18:50] <bourne_cia> yeah I know I'm old
[18:52] <[itchyjunk]> sarnold, can't seem to install ppa-purge :(
[18:52] <bourne_cia> ahhh found it
[18:52] <bourne_cia> Defaulting to user installation because normal site-packages is not writeable
[18:52] <bourne_cia> therein lies the rub
[18:53] <cluelessperson> https://download.lenovo.com/pccbbs/mobiles_pdf/x1_carbon_gen10_x1_yoga_gen7_linux_ug.pdf
[18:53] <cluelessperson> This is what I probably should be reading first.
[18:53] <Minor723> So i verified the group exists and my username is a member of the group
[18:53] <cluelessperson> buried under the mountain of dumb search results.
[18:54] <Minor723> I even tried to give everyone access to the folder, and no luck i cant start this service,
[18:54] <cluelessperson> Page 29, UEFI bios
[18:56] <bourne_cia> you know the best solution would probably be to change the permissions on that dir
[18:56] <Minor723> bourne_cia Can you tell me what do to for that?
[18:56] <bourne_cia> since everything wants to install there
[18:57] <cluelessperson> what a dumb article, no mention of linux specifications or support or options in the bios at all.
[18:57] <bourne_cia> yeah chown it to the user
[18:57] <jhutchins> Not sure I've tracked all the details here, did we actually try disabling Secure Boot?
[18:58] <jhutchins> cluelessperson: Trasitionally the BIOS is OS agnostic, there's no "linux suppoert" there.
[18:59] <bourne_cia> or just set it chown -Rh
[18:59] <jhutchins> Traditionally.
[19:01] <sarnold> [itchyjunk]: dang, I was afraid of that. you can grab a link to a direct download from https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ppa-purge/0.2.8+bzr63/+build/8424921 , grab it with wget or curl, apt install ./ppa-purge*deb   and see if that works?
[19:01] <cluelessperson> jhutchins, There's a few linux specific options, but they're outdated and I don't think I need them.  As far as I can tell this should boot, but does not
[19:01] <cluelessperson> The USB live image boots, to be clear, installation says it finishes and everything.
[19:02] <Minor723> Thanks for trying to help guys, I want to smash this laptop now this is really frustrating
[19:02] <oerheks> cluelessperson, but you removed the UEFI instances..
[19:02] <cluelessperson> oerheks, what does that mean?
[19:02] <cluelessperson> what is a UEFI instance?
[19:02] <Minor723> I thought reformatting and starting over with just one user account was going to make starting services a cake walk but nothing works still
[19:03] <oerheks> why are you surprised it does not find any?
 arraybolt3[m], tomreyn   after resetting secure boot factory keys to default,  the computer boots to black screen.
[19:03] <cluelessperson> Minor723, what are you dealing with?
[19:03] <oerheks> seriously, you need to reinstall those for your debian
[19:03] <cluelessperson> oerheks, secure boot keys are public keys used to validate boot images, it shouldn't otherwise affect installation as far as I know.
[19:04] <cluelessperson> I'm not aware of the OS install installing it's own public keys either.
[19:04] <Minor723> cluelessperson Thanks for looking out for me but i see you have some issues going too hah, just fix yours for now :)
[19:04] <cluelessperson> Minor723, I can do both.
[19:04] <cluelessperson> probably
[19:05] <Minor723> Mine was supposed to be easy, I copied over my minecraft files to my desktop and just want to start that server as a service. I can start it manually just fine but the service has issues.
[19:06] <[itchyjunk]> https://bpa.st/TFXA
[19:06] <[itchyjunk]> huh even locally trying to install isn't an option it seems @_@
[19:07] <cluelessperson> Minor723, Maybe you already showed it, but can you show me your service file?
[19:07] <oerheks> sudo dpkg -i *.deb
[19:07] <Minor723> cluelessperson https://dpaste.com/5ED7BBFAD
[19:07] <ogra> Minor723, did you follow the article about creating user services i gave you above ? it should then just work
[19:07] <tomreyn> oerheks: can you rule out that there are other .deb's there?
[19:08]  * cluelessperson looks at Lenovo's "Secure boot forbidden signature database" and sees "Canonical Ltd Secure Boot Signing" and "Debian Secure Boot Signer"
[19:08] <cluelessperson> if this is it I'm going to have a problem with lenovo.
[19:08] <Minor723> ogra Yeah that was giving a totally different error
[19:08]  * cluelessperson pulls up canonical and debian's secure boot signatures.
[19:09] <ogra> Minor723, so you re-wrote your service file from scratch (like you should), following that tutorial and it gave a new error ?
[19:09] <oerheks> tomreyn, oops no, [itchyjunk] use dpkg -i to install
[19:09] <Minor723> ogra no i copied the other one, let me try to rewrite the file
[19:10] <sarnold> cluelessperson: hmm, I thought we made new install media after that, a few years ago; what install media are you using?
[19:10] <ogra> right, that was why i pointe you to the article ... sorry if i was not clear
[19:10] <Minor723> ogra Can i do it with my user account, or do i have to make whatever account they are suggesting myapp
[19:10] <ogra> Minor723, with your user account i think
[19:10] <cluelessperson> sarnold, Latest ubuntu live cd off the site.
[19:10]  * cluelessperson checks to be specific
[19:10] <ogra> cluelessperson, that should have proper keys
[19:11] <cluelessperson> ubuntu-22.04.1-desktop-amd64.iso
[19:11] <sarnold> aha, cool ;) that should be new enough, yeah
[19:11] <forgotmynick> I've got an acl question. I've got nginx running as www-data which passes requests to php fpm - each user has its own fpm instance. nginx is set to cache data using fastcgi_cache in each users home directory /home/dave/cache as an example. I'd like each user to be able to delete files/folders from within their cache directory (without sudo), however, every time nginx creates a folder/file in the cache directory, the file
[19:11] <forgotmynick> ownership is www-data (as expected I suppose) and the user doesn't have permission. I've tried to set acl on the cache directory but not having any luck. If I run the setfacl command recursively on a cache directory with existing folders and files, the user can delete those directories and files but nginx will constantly delete and recreate files so I can't do/rely on this. If through bash I create a file using `sudo -u
[19:11] <forgotmynick> www-data touch /home/dave/cache/test` then the user can delete it so I'm assuming this has something to do with the way nginx is creating the files? Regardless, I thought setfacl would still apply? I'm not sure where I'm going wrong, or if what I want to do is even possible but I'd really appreciate some help. I'm on ubuntu ofc but just using debian paste bin because it's faster. https://paste.debian.net/plainh/c6953d1d
[19:11] <ogra> the keys were revoked some time shortly after 20.04 was released
[19:13]  * cluelessperson is of the opinion that when he types "canonical secure boot signing certificate" that's the first result that should appear.
[19:13] <ogra> tell googles algorithm 😉
[19:14] <sarnold> forgotmynick: I think it'd be best if the cache files aren't stored anywhere near user data -- what happens if the user creates /home/user/cache/test/ea/eaaaaaa...  -> /var/www/htdocs/index.html  ? they'd get fpm to write a file of their choosing to a location of their choosing (that the www-data user can write to, anyway)
[19:14] <cluelessperson> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UEFI/SecureBoot/KeyManagement/KeyGeneration?action=show&redirect=SecurityTeam%2FSecureBoot%2FKeyGeneration#Public-1
[19:14] <cluelessperson> ah, here are rae.
[19:17] <cluelessperson> Does journalctl not support the very very basic functionality of "retrieve the logs of the last execution of this service" ?
[19:18] <cluelessperson> I don't want the last N lines, I want the entire log for a run at all, if it's failing, it's often consistent reagardless of which invocation
[19:19] <sarnold> cluelessperson: omg I never knew that that's the exact feature I wanted
[19:20] <skeer> Afternoon! Anyone here familiar with rsyslog and using multiple imudp ports?
[19:20] <[itchyjunk]> Hm, I might need a restart or something
[19:21] <oerheks> use grep to filter journalctl? or even systemctl > systemctl | grep <service>
[19:22] <cluelessperson> sarnold, I may be an idiot, but I get my fingers into *everything*, so while I may not *know* what I'm talking about, I might be able to help you navigate spaces and discover secrets.
[19:22] <tomreyn> skeer: you might have more luck in #ubuntu-server or #linux
[19:22] <skeer> tomreyn: thx, I tried in #rsyslog but that place is a ghost town.
[19:22] <sarnold> cluelessperson: lol :D
[19:23] <[itchyjunk]> hey, --fix-broken ran this time. and it removed my py even. Was that what caused the problem? crazy!
[19:23] <cluelessperson> Here's the thing lenovo, if there's a failure, I want a simple log message that the top of screen that says "device.x.y.z:/boot boot signature invalid"
[19:23] <cluelessperson> that's not a big ask
[19:23] <sarnold> right?
[19:24] <tomreyn> that would make the uefi capsule at least 50 bytes larger though!
[19:25] <tomreyn> i mean the firmware
[19:28] <cluelessperson> Am I taking crazy pills?  I can't find the "Canonical Ltd. Secure Boot Signing" certificate.
[19:28] <cluelessperson> This should be hosted canonical.com/security/certificates/
[19:28] <cluelessperson> or wherever public
[19:29] <sarnold> cluelessperson: I've got to run to a meeting.. check this? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/secureboot-db
[19:31] <cluelessperson> sarnold, always appreciated checking in. :P
[19:37] <cluelessperson> Minor723, can you paste me the result of `journalctl -u your_server_name.service`   ?
[19:38] <cluelessperson> I'm suspicious of "ProtectHome"
[19:44] <cluelessperson> lenovo: "[angry beeping]".   me: "chill out"
[19:50] <bourne_cia> that just gave me an idea I got a HP  I should put 22.04 on
[19:58] <WeeBey> has anyone tried the 6.0 kernel ?
[19:59] <enigma9o7[m]> good god no
[19:59] <WeeBey> not cowboy enough? :D
[19:59] <WeeBey> It gives me hope that the touchpad will work after suspend.
[20:01] <bit4you> hi
[20:01] <WeeBey> Do you guys recommend the mainline kernel installer?
[20:02] <tomreyn> we recommend supported kernels
[20:02] <WeeBey> zZz
[20:03] <WeeBey> The LTS kernel is great. Except I cant' suspend my laptop.
[20:03] <hans_> i recommend kernels using walking canes for support
[20:03] <WeeBey> No suspend is not a big deal for desktop people.
[20:04] <WeeBey> hans_, I recommend helmets + walking canes for support
[20:05] <hans_> WeeBey: for most systems, the default kernel is fine, and is the one having the attention of the Ubuntu Security Team~
[20:05] <tomreyn> WeeBey: sometimes, a bios update can help with suspend issues. other times, pretending you are running windows can
[20:05] <tomreyn> !acpi_osi
[20:06] <WeeBey> hans_, I agree with that. But it's been a year and this laptop still can't suspend. So I'm hoping for a solution down the pipe.
[20:06] <WeeBey> tomreyn, I would love to update the bios but I believe that I would need to install Windows to do so (Razer laptop).
[20:07] <tomreyn> WeeBey: sorry to hear that.
[20:08] <hans_> when Ubuntu installs next to Windows, it carefully places itself next to Windows and put its own bootloader first and allows you to jump to Windows's bootloader;
[20:08] <hans_> thus its so annoying that Windows installer does pretty much the exact opposite of that :(
[20:09] <hans_> or maybe things have gotten better with UEFI.. im not sure
[20:09] <tomreyn> WeeBey: many x86_64 systems can nowadays have their firmware upgraded OS independently. but especially 'gaming laptops' *can* be an exemption to this.
[20:09] <hans_> does the Windows installer still trash grub if present during install?
[20:09] <WeeBey> hans_, I remember from years back. I was used to installing unbutu and decided to install windows next to ubuntu ( could have even been slack)... That was a mistake. lol
[20:10] <hans_> WeeBey: well iirc it used to be ok-ish as long as you install Windows first;  (but random Windows Updates would still trash grub on rare occasions)
[20:10] <WeeBey> tomreyn, I found the maker of the motherboard/bios and they don't really have updates that I could install. I need the Razer windows tools, it seems.
[20:10] <tomreyn> it's uusally better to first install windows, then ubuntu, if you want them both running on bare metal
[20:10] <puff> I'm on ubuntu 20.04, I've plugged in my kindlefire android tablet to copy an epub file over to it. When I right-click on the fire in the file explorer and select unmount, it immediately re-mounts.
[20:11] <hans_> puff: start gparted then unmount it
[20:12] <WeeBey> I was even thinking of installing Windows on an external drive... but I don't know if that is possible or if that would trash grub, as you mentioned.
[20:12] <hans_> as sud
[20:12] <hans_> puff: as sudo gparted
[20:12] <WeeBey> But anyway, all this to try to suspend my laptop. :-)
[20:12] <hans_> puff: i don't know why/how, but gparted disables automounting as long as its running
[20:12] <puff> aha.
[20:13] <hans_> puff: (there is a *proper* way to disable automounting, but i don't know what it is. but i know that start gparted is an easy way to do it)
[20:13] <WeeBey> Side note. A bug I kept ranting about a few months back was patched in GTK4 and passed to Ubuntu proposed. So that worked out!
[20:14] <puff> hans_: Oddly, gparted only shows the partitions from my nvme drive, not the fire.
[20:14] <puff> WeeBey: Congrats.
[20:14] <hans_> strange indeed
[20:15] <hans_> anyway you don't need to unmount it from gparted. just keep gparted running while unmounting it
[20:15] <puff> aha
[20:16] <puff> I wish there was some right-click option in in Files to see what device it is.
[20:17] <puff> Hm, gparted is running but still, when I right-click/unmount in Files, I immediately get a "Fire" popup and it reappears in the left column in Files.
[20:18] <hans_> you might spot it from cat /proc/mounts
[20:18] <tomreyn> puff: lsusb will show the device
[20:18] <tomreyn> or if you mean the block device, there will be something in /dev/disk/by-id/
[20:19] <tomreyn> i'm not even sure those present themselves as block devices, though
[20:19] <puff> tomreyn: ah, thanks, I'd forgotten lsusb, was looking at output from df, lsmount, findmnt, etc.
[20:19] <tomreyn> more likely something through mtp
[20:19] <puff> I see it in dmesg.
[20:21] <tomreyn> so you'll know the usb id already, and can do a more targeted web search for the issue
[20:24] <puff> Gotta gazillion apparmor="DENIED" lines in dmesg.
[20:24] <puff> Oh, that's whatsapp again.
[20:25] <arraybolt3[m]> cluelessperson: If you can boot the ISO, your certificates for Secure Boot are good. And if it's hanging on a black screen, then it's probably getting past GRUB and then panicking on the kernel.
[20:25] <arraybolt3[m]> So do whatever you do to get it to a black screen but then spam Esc the moment the screen goes black.
[20:27] <tomreyn> it could also be the case where a custom secureboot certificate was created and needs to be enrolled in the firmware nad that fails, though.
[20:27] <cluelessperson> arraybolt3[m], I'm not seeing anything I'd think of as a grub screen
[20:29] <puff> in dmesg it says mounted as device 82, in lsusb: Bus 001 Device 082: ID 1949:0262 Lab126, Inc. USB Receiver
[20:30] <tomreyn> puff: this sounds like you have an usb bridge in between
[20:30] <tomreyn> and that's probably causing the remount
[20:30] <puff> aha.
[20:31] <arraybolt3[m]> cluelessperson: It's weird that it's booting the USB but not the installed system. I'm wondering if Secure Boot is even part of the problem at all. Can you try disabling Secure Boot just as an experiment and see if it starts working? That will tell us whether it's Secure Boot configuration or a different problem. (You can turn Secure Boot back on right after the experiment.)
[20:31] <tomreyn> puff: does it happen when you connect the device directly?
[20:32] <puff> It's plugged in through an external usb hub (HooToo brand).  I haven't unplugged it yet, I'm worried about messing up the kindle fire.
[20:32] <tomreyn> puff: is it listed in /dev/disk/by-id/ though?
[20:33] <tomreyn> or in /proc/mounts
[20:33] <puff> How do I get from the dmesg/lsusb output to knowing which /dev it is? Or which line in /proc/mounts?
[20:36] <tomreyn> puff: not at all unless there's a similar name, or someone discussed it online and you can find that.
[20:36] <cluelessperson> I think I found it.
[20:36] <cluelessperson> arraybolt3[m], I think I'm moving too fast to accurately follow your help and for that I'm sorry.
[20:37] <cluelessperson> In the secure boot key database, there's an option for "Allow Microsoft 3rd Party UEFI CA"
[20:37] <tomreyn> puff, since it's a usb device, though, if it does expose a block device, that would say "usb" in /dev/disk/by-id/ though
[20:38] <cluelessperson> When I enable that it modifies the secure boot key database adding "4. X.509    Microsoft Corporation UEFI CA 2011"
[20:38] <cluelessperson> Then my usb drive is allowed to boot.
[20:38] <puff> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/DJm4yhVJS5/
[20:38] <arraybolt3[m]> cluelessperson: YES! THAT'S IT.
[20:38] <arraybolt3[m]> Switch that on.
[20:38] <tomreyn> cluelessperson: uh, this sounds like a huge security risk. you would be able to run other OSes other than secure windows then!
[20:38] <arraybolt3[m]> (Pluton-based Thinkpad I'm guessing?)
[20:38] <puff> So probably usb-Generic-_SD_MMC_20120501030900000-0:0
[20:39] <cluelessperson> tomreyn, I trust other OSes far more than Windows.
[20:39] <arraybolt3[m]> tomreyn: LOL
[20:39] <tomreyn> cluelessperson: (i'm joking)
[20:39] <cluelessperson> I was hoping. ;)
[20:40] <puff> Man this is annoyingly difficult.  What are the odds of doing damage if I just unplug the USB cable?
[20:40] <tomreyn> puff: that's an SD / MMC card reader. those little storage things in digital cameras, for example. but your ebook reader may have one, too, and maybe it's just passed through this way directly.
[20:41] <cluelessperson> puff, I'm reading your history
[20:41] <tomreyn> puff: pretty low if you run "sync" beforehand
[20:41] <cluelessperson> puff, I'd say the chances should be exceedingly low.
[20:42] <cluelessperson> If you've made any changes though, should definitely run sync at minimum.
[20:42] <tomreyn> you could also run eject on it,maybe that would prevent it from reconnecting
[20:42]  * cluelessperson wants a breakdown of Secure boot key path for canonical
[20:42]  * tomreyn wants a huge pile of ice cream
[20:43] <cluelessperson> tomreyn, I don't.
[20:43]  * arraybolt3[m] wants tacos
[20:43] <tomreyn> i'm just not sure our demands will be satisfied
[20:43] <cluelessperson> So, with the 3rd party uefi option, usb boots, but the internal nvme doesn't.
[20:43]  * cluelessperson reinstalls to test
[20:44] <cluelessperson> I wonder if EFI options might've been rejected somehow.
[20:44] <tomreyn> disable intel rst next
[20:44] <cluelessperson> tomreyn, I think that's a windows OS application not bios option
[20:45] <puff> tomreyn, cluelessperson: Thanks. Ran sync, it took zero time, so I guess I'll just unplug it.  The major change was that I copied an epub file to the fire.
[20:45] <puff> tomreyn: Run eject on what, though?  I can't figure out the mount point.
[20:45] <arraybolt3[m]> cluelessperson: You set the disk option from "RAID" to "AHCI". It is in the BIOS.
[20:45] <arraybolt3[m]> cluelessperson: (It should already be at "AHCI", but sometimes not.)
[20:45] <arraybolt3[m]> puff: run "lsblk" in a terminal
[20:46] <arraybolt3[m]> puff: That will tell you all of the disks and where they're mounted.
[20:46] <cluelessperson> arraybolt3[m], I didn't see that option but will look again specifically.
[20:46] <arraybolt3[m]> cluelessperson: I think we can safely rule out Secure Boot as being the problem if the USB can boot, since USB boot = Secure Boot is trusting GRUB and the kernel and modules on the USB.
[20:47] <tomreyn> puff: oh the sd/mmc device i was thinking. it shouldn't do bad, unless you also have an sd/mmc card reader with a media inserted?
[20:47] <cluelessperson> arraybolt3[m], agreed, I'm testing the changed storage location/medium/type
[20:47] <cluelessperson> by performing a simple debian install.
[20:47] <puff> tomreyn: Shouldn't be anything in the fire. Maybe in my laptop.
[20:48] <puff> Though I'm low on storage space in the fire and was thinking about seeing if it supports sticking a spare SD card in there for more storge.
[20:49] <tomreyn> puff: maybe experiment with this https://askubuntu.com/questions/342319/where-are-mtp-mounted-devices-located-in-the-filesystem
[20:49] <puff> Thanks.
[20:50] <tomreyn> gio mount -l    should list it as an mtp device if it is one
[20:52] <puff> It does.
[20:53] <tomreyn> so then it's not a regular block device
[20:53] <tomreyn> and not a usb mass storage device
[20:53] <puff> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/yYWk86RsK3/
[20:53] <puff> Tacked it onto the end there.
[20:54] <quaklork> Hey, my LTS 20 upgraded to 22.04.1 yesterday, and today the software updater suggested an ubuntu base update which I blindly agreed until I noticed that he seems to deinstall my active kernel. uname -a/r: 5.15.0-46-generic but when I try these 2 google'd commands to filter for dpkg -lists of files containing linux-image/header etc. I get not the
[20:54] <quaklork> expected result. https://pastebin.com/fWPN9F8D The first command showed me alot more images the past days previous to the upgrade as I remember my active image to be listed with that command. But its not. The second list command does find it. I tried apt update/full-upgrade autoremove and -f dependency install. I am quite tired and not to confident
[20:54] <quaklork> how to make sure for what to check if some more file purging is planned when shutting down, so I got a kernel to boot from tomorrow :P could someone please tell me how to make sure that the kernel files are existing/wont be deleted when shutting down by some trigger?
[20:54] <cluelessperson> arraybolt3[m],  debian live usb boots and finishes installation, but reboots to the bootloop still.
[20:56] <puff> tomreyn: Hm, based on that askubuntu link you pasted, I find: /run/user/1000/gvfs/mtp:host=Amazon_Fire_G090ME06743502PH/
[20:57] <puff> So could I use:  $ eject /run/user/1000/gvfs/mtp:host=Amazon_Fire_G090ME06743502PH/
[20:57] <puff> Hm, nope: eject: unable to find or open device for: `/run/user/1000/gvfs/mtp:host=Amazon_Fire_G090ME06743502PH'
[20:58] <tomreyn> puff: eject only works on block devices, i think
[20:58] <puff> aha.
[20:58] <tomreyn> you can    gio-mount -u <device path>   it
[20:59] <tomreyn> but this is probably what nautilus already does
[20:59] <tomreyn> did you try connecting it directly, bypassing the usb hub, yet?
[20:59] <tomreyn> because i still suspect thats the source of the issue
[21:00] <tomreyn> other than that https://askubuntu.com/questions/865108/how-to-unmount-mtp-usb-device-from-command-line suggests trying fusermount also
[21:01] <puff> tomreyn: I still haven't unplugged it, guess I can give that a shot. I'll run sync again, just to be sure.
[21:02] <puff> The problem is I'm short on spare USB A jacks :-).
[21:03] <tomreyn> if you're so worried about the data on there you should probably have better backups
[21:03] <puff> It's a thinkpad t580, so two USB-A jacks, one of which is the USB hub that my external keyboard, mouse, scanner and printer are pluggerd into.
[21:04] <puff> Er, actually I have the external wireless mouse plugged into one of the two USB-A jacks.  Had some problem with the USB C jack, have to revisit that sometime.
[21:07] <puff> And *everybody* should probably have better backups :-).
[21:07] <puff> It looks like it survived the unplugging.  Thanks, I'll go over my notes from this again later and try to understand better what's going on.
[21:08] <cluelessperson> So to clarify where I'm at:   SecureBoot.AllowMicrosoft3rdPartyUEFICA.enabled allows my USB livecds to boot.   BUT  after installation, internal disks do not boot.
[21:09] <bourne_cia> wow
[21:09] <bourne_cia> that sucks
[21:10] <bourne_cia> this laptop is rebooting from the updates but it looks like it\s going to be great
[21:11] <bourne_cia> I never used it because it was so slow on windows it was unuseable
[21:14] <cluelessperson> bourne_cia, windows itself is pretty bloaty
[21:15] <Sequoyah> lubuntu is good on old hardware
[21:17] <Minor723> Anyone here good with qbitorren-nox
[21:19] <tomreyn> Minor723: so you're not going to ask anyone who does not consider themselves to be qbittorrent-nox professionals about it?
[21:20] <Minor723> haha, no disrespect. i was not even looking for professionals
[21:20] <arraybolt3[m]> cluelessperson: Can you try installing directly to a second USB drive to rule out the possibility of an SSD incompatibility?
[21:20] <oerheks> Minor723, check their pages first ? https://github.com/qbittorrent/qBittorrent/wiki
[21:20] <enigma9o7[m]> I've used the QT client, never to NoX version
[21:20] <enigma9o7[m]> I dunno if thats good enough for you to tell us theq uestion or not....
[21:21] <Minor723> Its hard to explain. I installed the qb-nox version. Then I accessed the webpage to add a torrent url. But it never does anything after that, never shows up on the list. I dont even know where yo start
[21:21] <tomreyn> Minor723: what i just said was a variant of what is known as "don't ask to ask", probably one of the oldest guidelines on IRC. you're welcome to just ask your question right away.
[21:21] <oerheks> the -nox version is commandline..
[21:22] <quaklork> Hey, my LTS 20 upgraded to 22.04.1 yesterday, and today the software updater suggested an ubuntu base update which I blindly agreed until I noticed that he seems to deinstall my active kernel. uname -a/r: 5.15.0-46-generic but when I try these 2 google'd commands to filter for dpkg -lists of files containing linux-image/header etc. I get not the
[21:22] <quaklork> expected result. https://pastebin.com/fWPN9F8D The first command showed me alot more images the past days previous to the upgrade as I remember my active image to be listed with that command. But its not. The second list command does find it. I tried apt update/full-upgrade autoremove and -f dependency install. The logs dont give me any hints
[21:22] <quaklork> https://pastebin.com/BkDQCitu. I am quite tired and not to confident how to make sure for what to check if some more file purging is planned when shutting down, so I got a kernel to boot from tomorrow :P could someone please tell me how to make sure that the kernel files are existing/wont be deleted when shutting down by some trigger?
[21:22] <Minor723> Oh yeah its command line, with a webui
[21:23] <enigma9o7[m]> quaklork: i dont fully understand what you said, but do know that when ubuntu installs a new kernel, it doesnt delete the one you are using, and if the new kernel doesnt work, you can pick the previous kernel from grub advanced menu
[21:25] <bourne_cia> well I put xubuntu on the laptop and it seems to be rocking
[21:25] <quaklork> enigma9o7[m] check the first paste bin first dpkg -l result. 1.) I only had 1 kernel due to the upgrade yesteday (I purged all other manually do to space issues of the LUKS /boot while upgrading). 2) today auto updater deinstalled that kernel, I clearly saw it while doing that it mentioned my 5.15.0.46. So, Im not too confident I wake up tomorrow
[21:25] <quaklork> and will have a kernel/initrd to boot from.
[21:26] <Minor723> enigma9o7[m] Do you know If I installed qbittorent-nox as my user it would automatically have access to my same users /home
[21:27] <enigma9o7[m]> Idunno, but I'm playing with it now.  I just installed it myself.  I can't think of any reason why it wouldn't have permission to your own directory tho, unless it runs as another user or something....
[21:27] <Minor723> Yeah, i try to add a torrent with its download link and set the path and hit ok and it just does nothing
[21:29] <Minor723> enigma9o7[m] thanks much for installing it as well to help out. :)
[21:32] <enigma9o7[m]> It seems to work ok for me.
[21:33] <oerheks> is this a shared folder with plex?
[21:34] <gordz> e
[21:34] <gordz> uwu
 "Yeah, i try to add a torrent..." <- I had a torrent with the add link option.  It then downloaded it.  Its now in my downloads folder.
[21:37] <Minor723> enigma9o7[m] wow can you show me your path you used was it like /home/user/Downloads
[21:37] <enigma9o7[m]> yeah I didnt change the path, so its just in my Downloads folder
[21:39] <Minor723> whats path look like does it have 2 //
[21:39]  * enigma9o7[m] uploaded an image: (199KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/XxydtspjLjMKcAabJJejtQwb/Screenshot%20from%202022-08-17%2014-39-08.png >
[21:40] <enigma9o7[m]> note my username is "rolling" so its /home/rolling/Downloads
[21:42] <quaklork> Hey, my LTS 20 upgraded to 22.04.1 yesterday, and today the software updater suggested an ubuntu base update which I blindly agreed. Than I noticed that he seems to deinstall my active kernel as it was saying 5.15.0.46 and I was pretty sure thats my active one. uname -a shows 5.15.0-46-generic too. When I try these 2 google'd commands to filter for
[21:42] <quaklork> dpkg -lists of files containing linux-image/header etc. I get not the expected result. https://pastebin.com/fWPN9F8D The first command showed me alot more images the past days, previous to the LTS upgrade. I am quite confident the first command listed the 5.15.0.46, which he does not any longer. The second list command does find alot more, but I am
[21:42] <quaklork> not sure how to interpret it. Like mentioned, the first command showed my active kernel the past days and that makes me insecure. Maybe you could crosscheck and see if your system is prompting your active kernel with the first dpkg -l command? To fix the issue on my own I tried some standards like apt update/full-upgrade autoremove and -f
[21:42] <quaklork> dependency install. I also checked the logs, but they dont give me any hints despite ubuntu updater ran once but now what it did https://pastebin.com/BkDQCitu. I am quite tired and want to go to sleep, but am not to confident right now. I remember when purging kernels some time ago there was a command to mark kernels with some command line to be
[21:42] <quaklork> deleted in by the system in the future, I remember it was displayed odd with two ">>" or something? I checked my selfmade documentation but didnt find it,, weird, and the quick google search didnt spit out some command lines but just GUI programs to install. I know it should be easy to find, but I am a bit tired and got to sleep. So to make sure I
[21:42] <quaklork> got a running production system to boot from tomorrow, may I ask if someone please could tell me how to make sure that the kernel files are existing and not marked to be deleted when shutting down?
[21:43] <oerheks> quaklork, dpkg --list | grep linux-image  # shows kernels installed, there must be 2
[21:44] <quaklork> the question is if the installed kernel is marked for future purging.
[21:44] <oerheks> one cannot remove the 2nd one, unless you ignored the warnings
[21:44] <quaklork> i am referring for an odd ubuntu base updater issue, that thing maybe did something weird. I want to check on it.
[21:45] <oerheks> i gave you the check.
[21:45] <quaklork> you didnt read
[21:45] <quaklork> check the pastebins
[21:45] <oerheks> no, do the check.
[21:45] <quaklork> its in the pastebin ...
[21:46] <oerheks> so there are 2?
[21:46] <quaklork> results in pastebin
[21:47] <Minor723> enigma9o7[m] I did it to /home/minor723/Downloads and got nothing
[21:48] <oerheks> good luck, quaklork
[21:49] <quaklork> oerheks: too bad my prediction is right and the only kernel I got is marked for purging (ii)
[21:49] <enigma9o7[m]> Are you sure the torrent link is valid?  (Have you tried more than one)?  Assuming its not a pirate link, lmk a link you're tryiing and I'll test it myself if you want.
[21:52] <quaklork> stupid ubuntu software updater. marking the only kernel from rc to ii for removal. great LTS. great.
[21:52] <cluelessperson> arraybolt3[m], I have an update.   via the debian ISO, after installation, "went back" and reduced debconf priority and redid the grub step.   I hit "yes" to "forced grub install to removable EFI parittion"
[21:52] <cluelessperson> I mmediately got grub on boot, and I have booted into the OS.
[21:52] <cluelessperson> I wonder if this is a grub issue
[21:53] <arraybolt3[m]> Sounds like your EFI firmware is buggy.
[21:53] <arraybolt3[m]> I bet you can use the Customized Boot feature of your firmware to make Ubuntu work. Just point it to the correct shimx64.efi file.
[21:53] <arraybolt3[m]> I had to do that on the HP laptop I'm typing on right now. (I'm running Ubuntu 22.04.)
[21:53] <cluelessperson> arraybolt3[m], I don't see that available there at all.
[21:54] <arraybolt3[m]> In the EFI firmware?
[21:54] <arraybolt3[m]> Like, drop to the BIOS and look for Customized Boot or something like that in the boot options.
[21:54] <Minor723> enigma9o7[m] can i have the link you did?
[21:55] <arraybolt3[m]> teward: Why. On earth. Are you using Matrix. I thought you wanted to hit me with a dead fish over that. :P
[21:56] <teward> *shoves arraybolt3[m] out the airlock for offtopicness*
[21:56] <teward> !offtopic | arraybolt3[m]
[21:56] <arraybolt3[m]> teward: Fair enough, will keep that in #lubuntu-devel:libera.chat.
[22:03] <cluelessperson> arraybolt3[m], I don't see any boot options like that.
[22:03] <cluelessperson> I've seen and messed with before, don't see them here.
[22:03]  * cluelessperson is wondering if grub errornously targeted the removable USB EFI boot partition or something
[22:03]  * cluelessperson seems to recall something like this being an issue in the past.
[22:05] <cluelessperson> I got a grub "boot option restore" menu (with this debian install), now I've selected "always continue boot"
[22:05] <cluelessperson> boots to system
[22:05] <cluelessperson> reboot
[22:07] <cluelessperson> debian is now booting, the boot process looks wonky and stupid
[22:09] <oerheks> but your system has only debian ..
[22:10] <arraybolt3[m]> oerheks: It's for troubleshooting why Ubuntu won't boot.
[22:10] <oerheks> //
[22:10] <oerheks> because it is not on it?
[22:10] <arraybolt3[m]> cluelessperson: What model of Thinkpad do you have again?
[22:11] <enigma9o7[m]> Ah yeah gotta install, thats the trick.
[22:11] <arraybolt3[m]> oerheks: Oh if only you saw the backlog...
[22:11] <arraybolt3[m]> enigma9o7: Read the backlog
[22:11] <arraybolt3[m]> This is like the third or fourth OS install we've done - Ubuntu stubbornly refuses to work, Debian requires an odd hack to work that told us where the problem probably is, now I'm trying to figure out how to work around it so Ubuntu will work.
[22:11] <cluelessperson> arraybolt3[m], Thinkpad Carbon X1 Gen 10
[22:12] <arraybolt3[m]> Thanks, I'll look and see if I can find the option.
[22:12] <cluelessperson> So, after a stupid as hell reboot several times and several post messages and resizing text on screen for one boot, debian has booted without me touching it.
[22:12] <cluelessperson> I don't know what lunacy is this bios
[22:13] <tomreyn> if you hae a full screen logo boot option there, disable that, too
[22:13] <arraybolt3[m]> If it required the use of the removable EFI partition, it sounds like Lenovo made some pretty serious mistakes. You might look for a BIOS update, but if we can avoid it that might be nice to make sure we don't utterly destroy things. (You never know what mistakes a manufacturer will make.)
[22:15] <arraybolt3[m]> Bah. Alright, fine, we may need to do this the hard way since Lenovo seems to have left out the one option that would have been a get out of jail free card here.
[22:16] <cluelessperson> tomreyn, that's already disabled.
[22:17] <arraybolt3[m]> cluelessperson: Alright, I think I've got it. We're gonna install Ubuntu, then chroot into the installed system, run a command, and hopefully get GRUB to install to the right wrong place that the firmware expect for it to be at thanks to the bug.
[22:17] <cluelessperson> arraybolt3[m], I don't understand why the machine appears to POST, reboot with larger text, POST, then grub
[22:18] <arraybolt3[m]> (No, those are not typos - that's just how awful this BIOS is.)
[22:18] <cluelessperson> why not just straight    POST->GRUB->debian
[22:18] <cluelessperson> arraybolt3[m], is there a way to test for this bug or do you have documentation around it?
[22:18] <arraybolt3[m]> cluelessperson: It should do that, it's odd that it's not. Maybe fully wiping the SSD will fix it. You don't intend to keep Windows around, right?
[22:18] <cluelessperson> arraybolt3[m], also, I have a working debian system at the moment, can we do the grub thing in that for the moment?
[22:19] <cluelessperson> arraybolt3[m], windows is dead to me, I might run it in a vm for specific applications.
[22:19] <arraybolt3[m]> cluelessperson: I have documentation. https://wiki.debian.org/UEFI (section "Force grub-efi installation to the removable media path")
[22:19] <arraybolt3[m]> Well it sounds like you already have Debian mostly functional. Maybe you can show us the contents of /boot/efi/EFI ?
[22:20] <arraybolt3[m]> ("ls /boot/efi/EFI | nc termbin.com 9999" and send the link it spits out)
[22:20] <cluelessperson> arraybolt3[m], that's what I'm talking about, lesgo
[22:20] <cluelessperson> arraybolt3[m], do you know a decent pastebin package off the top of your had?
[22:20] <arraybolt3[m]> termbin.com works with NetCat like the above command shows.
[22:21] <arraybolt3[m]> Pipe anything to "nc termbin.com 9999", it spits out a link with whatever you piped in.
[22:21] <tomreyn> efibootmgr -v  may also be of interest
[22:22] <cluelessperson> arraybolt3[m], AH, that's probably why it's rebooting
[22:22] <cluelessperson> an ubuntu entry is currently first
[22:22] <cluelessperson> so it's probably just going down the line attempting to boot each thing.
[22:22] <arraybolt3[m]> That would probably do it.
[22:22] <jakethepython> Good afternoon I am trying to use switch with Mirror Capability..if i connect the ETH0 to the Mirroring Port i can no longer connect to it
[22:22] <jakethepython> I have tried ti with Other adapaters and it works OK
[22:22] <cluelessperson> arraybolt3[m], now to see if I can modify the efi boot entries.
[22:22] <cluelessperson> arraybolt3[m], that efi boot entry modification menu would be nice.
[22:23] <arraybolt3[m]> cluelessperson: Lemme look up the command, you can do it from within Linux.
[22:24] <arraybolt3[m]> "sudo efibootmgr -v" to show boot entries.
[22:25] <arraybolt3[m]> Then "sudo efibootmgr -b XXXX -B" to delete the XXXX entry (replace XXXX as appropriate, careful not to delete anything important).
[22:25] <arraybolt3[m]> cluelessperson: ^
[23:11] <sarnold> cluelessperson: I whinged about your journalctl thing to a coworker :)  systemctl status -n9000000 ubxtool\@ttyACM0
[23:12] <sebseb> test
[23:12] <sarnold> sebseb: pong
[23:12] <sebseb> sarnold: hi
[23:13] <sarnold> hi sebseb
[23:16] <sebseb> Ubuntu support useed ot be a th8ing
[23:16] <sebseb> in IRC
[23:16] <sebseb> and now it's mostly dead I guess
[23:18] <arraybolt3[m]> sebseb: There's 8119 people here, that's far from dead in my book.
[23:18] <oerheks> hi sebseb (sebsebseb?)
[23:18] <sebseb> arraybolt3[m]:  except most of  them just idel like before i guess
[23:18] <sebseb> oerheks: yep could be
[23:19] <oerheks> long time no see
[23:19] <sebseb> oerheks: indeed
[23:19] <arraybolt3[m]> When we don't know the answer to a question we usually don't say anything to leave room for someone who does know the answer.
[23:19] <bourne_cia> rumors of my death are somewhat premature.
[23:19] <arraybolt3[m]> Anyway stick around, you'll see.
[23:20] <oerheks> the (m) names are connected via matrix.
[23:21] <sebseb> arraybolt3[m]: the original usd to have around four thouseand people, but those days are gone
[23:29] <cluelessperson> sarnold, yes, and ew
[23:29] <cluelessperson> sarnold, I want.    journalctl -u unit -t last    (last run)
[23:31] <jakethepython> anyone here good w/ Network adapter configs?
[23:32] <oerheks> ask your real question and find out?
[23:34] <jakethepython> I am trying to set up a mirror port for TCPdump and if i plug into the mirror port i can no longer ping the adapter
[23:34] <jakethepython> If i Use a different computer/adapter it works