[07:02] <RAOF> Ooof. `snapcraft` is not particularly happy over a slightly-flaky 4G connection!
[08:02] <alan_g[m]> > <@wmww:matrix.org> As I said in the bug... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/7540114be23fbc6e89a1ffb5696aabf816470742)
[08:09] <Saviq> You mean like a new entry point into Frame? Wouldn't it be possible to modify the inhibitor protocol to not require a surface?
[08:10] <Saviq> Also, we have display layouts already, if people want to manually control display state, IMO we should work on a way to switch layouts dynamically
[08:10] <PHB> hi
[08:11] <Saviq> Not to mention we probably want clients (finally) to be able to control the display config live
[08:11] <alan_g[m]> https://www.amazon.com/s?k=timer+socket
[08:12] <PHB> saviq it's your response from my question ?
[08:12] <Saviq> 🤦
[08:13] <Saviq> Hi @PHB, have a look at the logs for what sophie said last night: https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2022/08/17/%23mir-server.txt
[08:13] <Saviq> > https://www.amazon.com/s?k=timer+socket
[08:13] <Saviq> But alan_g suggested a hardware approach ;)
[08:14] <PHB> ho thanks, but a .c program is not a shell command:p  it's more"hard" for me :)
[08:16] <Saviq> PHB you could also create a systemd timer that modifies Frame configuration to disable the display(s):
[08:16] <Saviq> https://mir-server.io/docs/ubuntu-frame-configuration-options#heading--snap-configuration-display
[08:16] <PHB> the "best" it's not to have snap program connect to wayland for create virtual activity
[08:17] <PHB> sorry if my question is stupid for you
[08:17] <Saviq> As ogra said last night, it's not stupid :)
[08:17] <Saviq> We're here to help
[08:18] <PHB> Saviq sure but it' relaunch all mir ..
[08:18] <PHB> actually i have simple wifi mouvement sensor
[08:19] <Saviq> OK now I understand the use case better, you want the display to wake when it detects movement from the sensor
[08:20] <PHB> finally the best for my is my screen with ssh / remote command activate screen if people move behind 3 metres before and shutdown 20 sec after
[08:21] <PHB> Saviq exact, we hate power consommation, it's for earth :)
[08:22] <Saviq> Then yeah, I'm afraid we don't have anything like that ready-made. We could think of having a `ubuntu-frame.wake` utility
[08:23] <PHB> Saviq yes i think it's the best solution but nothing is possible actually ?
[08:23] <Saviq> Right now, no, it'd have to be written
[08:24] <PHB> ubuntu-frame.wake, like ubuntu-frame.screenshot ! i love it :)
[08:26] <PHB> .wake idle 30 /  .wake on /  .wake off  /  .wake activity  it's great "simple command line for me:p  )
[08:27] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/ubuntu-frame]** Saviq added enhancement to [issue #84](https://github.com/MirServer/ubuntu-frame/issues/84): RFC: Add a `ubuntu-frame.wake` utility
[08:27] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/ubuntu-frame]** Saviq opened [issue #84](https://github.com/MirServer/ubuntu-frame/issues/84): RFC: Add a `ubuntu-frame.wake` utility... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/e51e5137034e9c15628cdd80b3005554ae4b6131)
 "> https://www.amazon.com/s?k=..." <- But alan_g suggested a hardware approach ;)
[08:30] <alan_g[m]> I was reacting to an elaborate piece of bespoke software being suggested.
[08:30] <PHB> thank you Saviq for accept my challenge ^^
[08:32] <alan_g[m]> I know that this is not ideal, but it would be possible to write a script that uses "snap disable/enable".
[08:32] <PHB> lol alan_g[m] hard solution but not really real time:p  i can create /sbin/reboot too or snap restart  xxx :)
[08:33] <PHB> but people have boot screen not message ^^
[08:38] <PHB> if you can i have last question, but i don't really check before, environnement debian / snap / ubuntu frame daemon, on boot i have delay beetween splashscreen and mir (i see login prompt 5 sec) what can i do for don"t see it ?
[08:41] <alan_g[m]> Sorry, we're not experts on the debian boot process
[08:41] <PHB> on ubuntu it's better process ?
[08:42] <PHB> i have pi4, it's history i use raspbian with pinn recovery
[08:43] <PHB> but now maybe i can boot with ubuntu mini on pinn if it's on catalog
[08:48] <alan_g[m]> There's been work on "seamless boot" for Ubuntu Core, but it isn't yet perfect. (And I don't know the status in Debian)
[08:50] <PHB> but it isn't yet perfect --> you have youtube boot process in pi4 with sdcard to see it ?
[08:56] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** AlanGriffiths assigned AlanGriffiths to [issue #2563](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/issues/2563): [Mir 2.9~rc2, miral-kiosk] Failure to display
[09:07] <PHB> so thank you very much Saviq alan_g[m] and sophie-w i am look at statut https://github.com/MirServer/ubuntu-frame/issues/84:)  and good luck for 2.9 final version ! (i don't know if issue can be implement before 2.9 (i think it's not possible so, i will trying when it's ready to test en edge channel .. so thank you agan for all your hard work it's
[09:07] <PHB> really great web kiosk solution !
 "but it isn't yet perfect --> you..." <- I don't know
[09:14] <alan_g[m]> > trying when it's ready to test en edge channel
[09:14] <alan_g[m]> 2.9 is already on the `beta` channel if you want to try it. It will move to candidate once we've completed initial testing
[09:14] <Saviq> PHB if you're seeing the login screen, that's probably easy to disable (along the lines of `systemctl disable gdm`). But one of the #debian channels are likely better to discuss this
[09:16] <PHB> Saviq it's VT1 login, not X/Wayland login
[09:17] <PHB> but it's just cosmetic problem not really important for domotique usage
[09:24] <Saviq> In that case you may want to install a bootsplash, Ubuntu uses plymouth - it will still not be seamless, but may improve things
[09:25] <PHB> i config plymouth on debian, but i can trying bootsplash thank's i will search in this direction
[09:31] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** AlanGriffiths edited [issue #2563](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/issues/2563): [Mir 2.9~rc2, miral-kiosk] Failure to display
[09:31] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** AlanGriffiths edited [issue #2563](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/issues/2563): We don't get a clear diagnostic when we have no active outputs
[09:32] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** AlanGriffiths added enhancement to [issue #2563](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/issues/2563): We don't get a clear diagnostic when we have no active outputs
[09:34] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** AlanGriffiths marked [pull request #2562](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/pull/2562): Release 2.9.0 as ready for review
[09:42] <alan_g[m]> Saviq, do we want to do anything about building 22.10/arm64 for 2.9? (Hopefully the toolchain will get fixed sometime...)
[09:49] <Saviq> IMO it's OK to know what the issue is
[09:49] <Saviq> And we can react to it if it doesn't get fixed when 22.10 gets released
[09:49] <alan_g[m]> Agreed, just wanted a second opinion
[10:04] <Saviq> Though it will be a problem when we upload to Ubuntu
[10:05] <Saviq> Or maybe not, since 11 is still the default outside of proposed
[10:06] <alan_g[m]> We can let RAOF deal with it - as you say we know what's happening
[10:15] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** AlanGriffiths edited [pull request #2562](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/pull/2562): Release 2.9.0
[10:20] <PHB> alan_g[m] for information, ubuntu not show login prompt, snap start before result is perfect ! . if pinn catalog have pi4 ubuntu i'am switchting :)
[13:10]  * alan_g[m] wonders what pinn is (google foo was not strong enough)
[14:32] <grayson-g[m]> https://github.com/procount/pinn maybe he means this?
[14:33] <alan_g[m]> More likely that what I found. ;)
[17:05] <alan_g[m]> Goodnight all!