[00:08] <kucklehead> I am alive
[00:17] <MinusSeven> I don't know if it's just me, but running apt update is taking much longer than usual
[00:18] <enigma9o7[m]> got any ppas?
[00:18] <enigma9o7[m]> sometimes one of them can be really slow
[00:18] <enigma9o7[m]> if its just ubuntu repos, maybe try switching to a local mirror....      maybe even your ISP has one, mine does.
[00:20] <MinusSeven> it ran faster the second time
[00:20] <sarnold> I just did an update from us.ports.ubuntu.com -- potentially different than the usual amd64 one -- and got 35 MB/s
[00:20] <MinusSeven> might be just the internet here I think
[00:21] <MinusSeven> also having other issues this morning with norton
[00:21] <MinusSeven> FFS-Friday
[00:22] <sarnold> hmm, is your apt update going through norton? I've got a very low opinion of windows "security software" category
[00:23] <MinusSeven> no, this is a seperate issue in Windows
[00:35] <mcint> Is use of ppa's being discouraged, phased out, or deprecated?
[00:36] <oerheks> No, just make sure you trust the maintainer.
[00:36] <oerheks> and we say use at your own risk
[00:36] <Bashing-om> !ppa | mcint ^^
[00:36] <oerheks> same with snaps, btw
[00:36] <oerheks> we do have a snap team testing all snaps..
[00:36] <mcint> Truetrue. Thanks!
[00:39] <mcint> ppa's are ... on launchpad? Attempting to search directly, instead of through the project
[00:39] <sarnold> yes, ppas are a launchpad service
[00:43] <mcint> I really have to install lxd as a snap (or from source)--great disappointment
[00:43] <mcint> Or I can use static builds from github?
[00:44] <oerheks> lxd is build by ... https://snapcraft.io/lxd
[00:44] <leftyfb> mcint: what's the issue running lxd from snap?
[00:48] <mcint> why does anyone complain about snaps?
[00:48] <mcint> For a start, I don't think I can pin them
[00:48] <leftyfb> mcint: not in the same way, no
[00:49] <mcint> It upsets the model of [I install software on my computer, and my computer runs that software]
[00:49] <leftyfb> huh?
[00:49] <mcint> I can...follow a release channel?
[00:49] <mcint> i.e. auto-upgrades
[00:49] <leftyfb> you can follow a release channel, but you can also just download the .snap and .assert file and install that, then disable snapd completely
[00:50] <mcint> magnificent, thank you
[00:50] <oerheks> Most complainers are just parroting others.
[00:53] <leftyfb> mcint: you'll want to mask the snapd service so it doesn't get started again when the snapd package updates
[00:53] <leftyfb> oerheks: this is the first time I've seen someone with a legitimate complaint against snap. Not being able to pin/freeze a package version is certainly a shortcoming
[00:53] <mcint> I have run into lxd vs apt snap issues. I really chafe at having to learn the quirks of a different system than apt to track one or two packages and worry about them autoupdating. oerheks Most blanket dismissals are good for cutting off conversation
[00:54] <leftyfb> it's a valid use case
[00:54] <sarnold> mcint: if you want to run lxd without the (probably minimal) sandboxing via the static builds, go ahead. they're probably fine.
[00:54] <sarnold> just don't forget that now you're on the hook to update them
[00:55] <oerheks> oh, the update problem. one can set the time though?
[00:55] <leftyfb> oerheks: only for 90 days. After that you have no choice but to update
[00:55] <mcint> thanks sarnold, I think leftyfb's suggestions are best. I'm asking for work at the moment, and I'll probably do that same for other personal/org environemnts in the future. I want to have consistent environments for myself
[00:55] <oerheks> oh oke, all i know is the weekly timer; sudo snap set system refresh.timer=sat,sun,0:00-24:00/2
[00:56] <oerheks> which is a breeze than without any.
[00:57] <mcint> is downgrading / version specification possible?
[00:57] <leftyfb> mcint: yes. But when a newer version comes out, you will upgrade to that one
[00:58] <leftyfb> mcint: the only true way is to install from the .snap and .assert files and kill snapd for good
[00:59] <leftyfb> there's also some proxy you can run, but besides having to run and manage another resource, there was still a limitation to it that didn't solve the problem completely. I forget what that was though
[00:59] <sarnold> mcint: funny enough, people often dislike that snap retains old versions locally to revert, because it uses disk space :)
[01:01] <oerheks> or permissions issues, there is a snap section in settings to handle that.
[01:01] <oerheks> err ' applications'  it is called
[01:01] <mcint> leftyfb: you mean, like apt mirrors? re: proxy (for snap)
[01:01] <leftyfb> mcint: https://docs.ubuntu.com/snap-store-proxy/en/install
[01:02] <leftyfb> mcint: https://docs.ubuntu.com/snap-store-proxy/en/
[01:02] <leftyfb> mcint: https://docs.ubuntu.com/snap-store-proxy/en/overrides
[01:05] <leftyfb> looks like the proxy would definitely work in an air-gap-mode
[01:06] <leftyfb> maybe the limitation was just for my needs which is not installing a snap proxy at every customer site. disabling snapd accomplishes the same result with less effort and resources
[03:28] <Tamil> ubuntu goes spritual!!
[05:50] <koloniator123> hi
[06:00] <Silicium> hi all
[06:02] <Silicium> i'am using i3wm on ubuntu 22.04. if i want to make use of the light/dark theme switcher option, is there something like the gnome-settings-daemon back 10 years ago which i have to load?
[06:14] <KBar> arraybolt3[m]: hello. i changed the cable to usb 2.0 and it works now! what's the speed difference?
[06:22] <KBar> at least it works now
[07:05] <stolen> ubuntu says me sytem problem detected, can i run some troubleshooting ?
[07:16] <zetheroo> I have reports from two people, using the same laptop (Thinkpad T14s Gen 2), that they experience random system freezes. I too had this behavior happening to me for some months, but then suddenly it stopped. I was never able to find anything in the logs - but then maybe I wasn't looking in the right place!? Does anyone have some advice on how to troubleshoot this kind of behavior?
[07:17] <zetheroo> We are all using 20.04 by the way.
[07:17] <zetheroo> Fully updated in Ubuntu, and also all the latest Lenovo/Intel BIOS/Firmware.
[07:20] <enyc> zetheroo: is it possibmly fixed by an ubuntu kernel update?
[07:20] <zetheroo>  enyc: possible of course. But like I said, we all have tried updating everything in Ubuntu and it still happens.
[07:21] <enyc> zetheroo: the "suddenly it stopped" made me think not happneing any more
[07:21] <zetheroo> In my case it just stopped happening about a month ago
[07:21] <zetheroo> no idea why
[07:21] <enyc> hard to say :O
[07:22] <zetheroo> For the other two it's still happening. I have the Thinkpad P14s Gen 1
[07:23] <enyc> zetheroo: you could ask quesiton to in ##ibmthinkpad ...   don't know myself :O
[07:23] <zetheroo> ok, thanks
[07:23] <enyc> zetheroo: I'm curious  if ubuntu 22.04.1 (or deriv like pop-os, mint-21 etc) exhibits same thing :O
[07:24] <zetheroo> we are planning to upgrade to 22.04 soon ... so we'll find out :)
[07:24] <enyc> zetheroo: do-release-upgrade now ''released'' for 22.04.1 onwards
[07:25] <enyc> no longer need to override with -d etc
[07:38] <illia_> hello goodnite
[07:44] <illia_> what you guys wanna talk about tonite
[07:52] <illia_> since nobody answering
[07:52] <illia_> lets discuss about hacking
[08:13] <KBar> illia_: please read the topic. For casual chat, join #ubuntu-offtopic
[09:57] <Grems> 21.10 now. How do I update to 22.04? Getting a bunch of "Repository no longer has a release file". Someone on Askubuntu said that downgrading to e.g. 20.04 was not recommended. Tried both "normal" and "lts" in /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades
[09:57] <ravage> !eolupgrade | Grems
[09:58] <ravage> (downgrading is not a thing)
[09:59] <oerheks> ravage +1, see the old-releases part
[10:45] <Grems> Thanks
[12:20] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[12:21] <KBar> (sorry for the off-topic, its the continuation of yesterdays problem) https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/g25j5q9Wyy/ can I just copy and paste my compressed backup archive to this partition number 4, or do i have to resize it first and create an ext4 one?
[12:22] <wez> hi
[12:23] <BluesKaj> hi wez
[12:25] <Numline1_> Hey guys :) I'm trying to figure out how to add a capability for me to switch into another user using "su" but I'm kinda failing miserably. I have this in /etc/sudoers.d/something - numline1 ALL=NOPASSWD: /bin/su – someappaccount
[12:25] <massimo> ciao
[12:25] <Numline1_> however when I use "su - someappaccount" I get a "user - doesn't not exist" :|
[12:25] <Numline1_> any ideas on what might be going on? Ty
[12:26] <KBar> Numline1_: just use it without the hyphen
[12:26] <Numline1_> KBar you mean both in the sudoers files and in the command itself?
[12:27] <KBar> Numline1_: in the command. it defaults to root
[12:29] <Numline1_> KBar hmm it's asking for a password without the hyphen
[12:29] <Numline1_> my user has no password, it's just an ssh key auth
[12:34] <Numline1_> KBar ah okay, removing the - from the sudoers file did the trick
[12:34] <Numline1_> now I can sudo su someappaccount without any issues :) ty
[12:36] <KBar> Numline1_: lol that was just a random guess haha but yw
[12:37] <Numline1_> yeah idk what it is with Ubuntu and su with hyphen, I feel like I had this issue in the past as well
[12:38] <KBar> Numline1_: well su(1) says: "It is recommended to always use the --login option (instead of its shortcut -) to avoid side  effects caused by mixing environments."
[12:39] <Numline1_> well it's not that it was mixing envs, it was straight up saying that "-" user doesn't exist
[12:39] <Numline1_> which is strange
[12:40] <ioria> alias maybe
[12:41] <KBar> Numline1_: can you double-check the sudoers file? while sharing it here, you typed an en dash
[12:42] <KBar> Numline1_: "/bin/su – someappaccount"
[13:07] <Numline1_> hmm, is – and - not the same?
[13:07] <Numline1_> anyway I had the regular - in there I think
[13:07] <Numline1_> OH
[13:07] <Numline1_> oh my god, I think I did have the weird  – there. I might've copypasted it from somewhere
[13:07] <Numline1_> lol...
[13:08] <Numline1_> yep
[13:08] <Numline1_> jeeeeeeezzzzz....
[13:11] <jak> hey y'all -- Is there a way to see what packages were changed in the last few updates? I.e. some kind of log of what packages were installed or upgraded?
[13:11] <ravage> jak, /var/log/dpkg.log
[13:13] <jak> ravage: thx
[13:13] <Numline1_> KBar that was it. I'm sol tilted right now lol. Thank you
[13:13] <Numline1_> ioria there wasn't any aliases, that was the first thing I checked, but good thinking :) thanks
[13:14] <supernovaQ> trying to install ubuntu 20.04 with Rufus 3.20 on Macbook Pro 13
[13:14] <supernovaQ> getting error Failed to setMoklistRT
[13:15] <ravage> supernovaQ, looks like a problem with secureboot. can you disable it?
[13:17] <supernovaQ> nah, how can I do so with macbook?
[13:18] <ravage> i really have no clue. maybe someone else has an answer
[13:26] <supernovaQ48> how can I disable secure boot on mac?
[13:26] <rob0> you're in #ubuntu , EWRONGCHAN?
[13:26] <leftyfb> supernovaQ48: maybe ask in #hardware
[13:31] <Maik> rob0: not in the wrong channel if you look at his support question.
[13:33] <rob0> yeah I scrolled up and saw that afterward, but still, a direct Mac question might be better handled elsewhere.
[13:34] <Maik> supernovaQ48: Rufus isn't recommended to write ISO's to a usb stick, the Ubuntu site recommends Etcher.
[13:34] <gordonjcp> just use dd
[13:34] <gordonjcp> like a normal person
[13:34] <Maik> gordonjcp: newbies do not know about that.
[13:35] <gordonjcp> Maik: it's as easy to tell them about that as it is to tell them how to use some pointy-clicky crap that rarely works
[13:36] <leftyfb> gordonjcp: what do you think those "pointy-clicky" apps use in the background?
[13:36] <gordonjcp> leftyfb: exactly
[13:36] <leftyfb> etcher is just fine
[13:36] <jose_> i install ubuntu 22.04 after install with internet connection, when i first start ubuntu it appears a windows saying there is new updates for ubuntu when i click yes i automatic get logged off and after new login the firefox icon becames invisible and the only way to start firefox is in safe mode, anyone knows why that happens?
[13:36] <gordonjcp> I don't know why ISOs are still a tthing
[13:36] <gordonjcp> *thing
[13:36] <gordonjcp> why not just create a USB stick image
[13:37] <gordonjcp> I haven't owned a non-obsolete device with an optical disc drive for 20 years
[13:37] <Maik> throw that conversation into #ubuntu-discuss
[13:37] <leftyfb> gordonjcp: a lot of ubuntu users still run 20yo hardware
[13:38] <leftyfb> gordonjcp: some own 5yo hardware with an optical drive and don't have a usb stick
[13:38] <gordonjcp> leftyfb: where do you even get optical discs from?
[13:39] <Maik> jose_: try to open Ubuntu Software and run the snap updates from there
[13:39] <gordonjcp> anyway, -offtopic
[13:40] <jose_> yes but the fact that it happens can compromise system? like rootkit install or other?
[13:41] <jose_> in snaps the icon is also invisible and it do not start the app
[13:41] <KBar> jose_ back up your profile and reinstall this snap
[13:43] <KBar> jose_ https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/back-and-restore-information-firefox-profiles
[13:43] <KBar> jose_ if the issue persists, select the previous version to install (click on the arrow on Firefox snap page)
[13:43] <jose_> even before reinstall it stays invisible the icon it only starts in safe mode --firefox -safe-mode in think is somenthing like that
[13:48] <jose_> and the fact that i get logged off why that happens can it be some kind of malware or something?
[13:57] <arraybolt3> jose_: This is a fresh install of Ubuntu?
[13:57] <jose_> yes happens all the times i install
[14:00] <jose_> and the updates are download during install that is why it is strange to have updates after first start of system and more strange it logs me off right after i click yes on updates
[14:01] <ogra> what happens if you click n👋close the window instead ?
[14:01] <ogra> *click no or close the window
[14:01] <ogra> (silly emoji plugin)
[14:03] <ogra> jose_, also, are you proper using the 22.04.1 image (released last week) ?
[14:03] <jose_> yes that one option i did not try but now i install mx linux until i get some kind off knologe why that happens
[14:03] <jose_> yes i am
[14:03] <ogra> how would that help ?
[14:03] <ogra> mx is a completely different distro using a completely different installer
[14:03] <ogra> that wont help you with an ubuntu installer issue 🙂
[14:04] <jose_> yes but i want ubuntu but that thing keeps happen
[14:04] <Maik> jose_: installing another distro wont help you solve issues on ubuntu, figure that out first.
[14:05] <Maik> jose_: install Ubuntu without installing the updates during install
[14:05] <leftyfb> jose_: you asked for help here. You were given a suggestion. Did you try the suggestion?
[14:05] <ogra> right
[14:05] <jose_> yes but if it installs a rootkit or some malware then i am not safe with ubuntu..
[14:05] <leftyfb> jose_: there is no rootkit
[14:05] <ogra> what makes you think anything would install a rootkit ?
[14:05] <Maik> jose_: it doesn't do that
[14:06] <jose_> i use ubuntu for a long time it only happen with the 22.04
[14:06] <ogra> and that must thn be a rootkit ?
[14:06] <ogra> *then
[14:06] <ogra> (wheer would such a rootkit come from ? your fresh install only knows the ubuntu archives)
[14:06] <Maik> let's keep it real jose_
[14:06] <arraybolt3> jose_: This sounds more like graphics issues to me. Are you using NVIDIA by any chance?
[14:07] <jose_> i will install ubuntu and try to click on no in the update ..
[14:07] <Maik> good
[14:07] <jose_> no rx580 ryzen 2700x b450m asus pro gaming
[14:07] <Maik> once installed open the terminal and run sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade jose_
[14:08] <ogra> it is very likely you are hitting some kind of bug or race condition ... lets try to nail it down and find a workaround ...
[14:08] <ogra> there ar definitely no rootkits in the ubuntu archives, be assured 🙂
[14:08] <ogra> *are
[14:08] <jose_> should i install with internet disconnected?
[14:08] <Maik> of course not
[14:08] <KBar> just dont check the box
[14:09] <KBar> uncheck "Download updates while installing"
[14:09] <jose_> yes i will
[14:09] <Maik> jose_: and you used ubuntu for a long time?
[14:09] <Maik> not to be rude but i start to doubt that
[14:09] <jose_> since 16
[14:10] <Maik> then you should know how things are done
[14:10] <jose> Maik: I have but not sure about the other jose :)
[14:13] <Maik> :)
[14:13] <jose_> i am now downloading ubuntu
[14:14] <jose_> i not familiar with mx but it should be abler to make the boot disk
[14:14] <KBar> jose_ stop talking about MX
[14:14] <KBar> this is not the place for it. it looks like you're trying to promote it.
[14:14] <jose_> ok i am sorry
[14:15] <Maik> jose_: downloading ubuntu? I thought you already had that on a stick
[14:16] <jose_> yes but i used the stick for something else..
[14:32] <jose_> thanks all for the help, i go now start installing ubuntu
[15:05] <murmel> Hey, I have a setup here on 22.04 and for some reason the local apt-cacher-ng doesn't get recognized https://paste.debian.net/1251014/ somebody got any idea?
[15:39] <ioria> murmel, don't you have a  apt-cacher.log or similar ?
[15:40] <murmel> ioria: I already looked, but as nothing can reach the proxy, nothing is in the log
[15:42] <murmel> ioria: even the hosts apt can't reach it :/
[15:46] <ioria> murmel, do you know how to downgrade a pkg ?
[15:46] <murmel> yes
[15:47] <ioria> murmel, then , you can try with the impish version
[15:48] <murmel> but where can I find the package? as apt-cacher-ng is not frequently updated :/
[15:48] <murmel> kk
[15:48] <ioria> murmel, that is for a test not to keep i, btw
[15:48] <ioria> *it
[15:48] <ioria> murmel, https://packages.ubuntu.com/impish/amd64/apt-cacher-ng/download
[15:49] <murmel> sure
[15:50] <ioria> murmel, nvm, it does not work
[15:51] <murmel> k
[15:51] <murmel> damn
[15:51] <ioria> murmel, try with the focalversion
[15:53] <ioria> murmel, this works : https://packages.ubuntu.com/focal/amd64/apt-cacher-ng/download
[15:53] <murmel> sure, give me a sec
[15:54] <murmel> ioria: lol we looked at the wrong package. auto-apt-proxy doesn't work oO. when I just created my own conf file for apt, with Acquire::http::Proxy it works fine.
[15:54] <murmel> now to figure out how to get that package working
[15:55] <ioria> ok
[15:56] <murmel> now I also have to figure out why pbuilder doesn't want to create a valid base.tgz :(
[16:11] <vilitaltti> hello! A fast question: If I want to upgrade snaps, the command is: "sudo snap refresh"?
[16:11] <ogra> yes
[16:11] <vilitaltti> ogra: thank u
[16:11] <ogra> (quick answer 😉 )
[16:41] <backthen> hmm Ubuntu doesn't protect against deleting the logical drive it's running on ?
[16:47] <backthen> Basically, I had two Ubuntu installs on a disk with two partitions. I deleted the extended drive thing that sits above a partition while leaving both partitions alone.
[16:48] <backthen> And next time I restarted grub can't find the OS
[16:50] <arraybolt3> backthen: It is quite possible that these sort of things aren't prevented. Some parts of Linux are like "who am I to question the user?". I would think it would be tricky to do this, but you might have hit an edge case where things blow up.
[16:51] <arraybolt3> If you've lost data, do NOT continue using the computer. AT ALL.
[16:51] <arraybolt3> The less you use it, the greater the chances of recovering data from it.
[16:53] <backthen> arraybolt3: Well since both partitions are still intact, I can probably reinstall Ubuntu over one of them and recover all data?
[16:53] <arraybolt3> Just so I understand correctly, you had an extended partition with two partitions in it, and then deleted the extended one, right?
[16:54] <arraybolt3> If so, you probably wiped the partition table that holds the two extended ones. I'd highly recommend booting into a live USB and trying to use TestDisk to recover the partitions.
[16:54] <arraybolt3> Any further disk writes to the drive containing your installs may result in data being irrecoverably overwritten.
[16:55] <arraybolt3> Installing Ubuntu again is probably the single worst thing you could do to  your data at this point.
[16:57] <backthen> There were two partitions (represented by left and right rectangles) when I viewed in the Disk tool. The right side rectangle had a different colored rectangle above it (had some words like 'extended'). I deleted this extra rectangle above the right side partition
[16:57] <arraybolt3> Then the right side partition is probably lost and needs to be recovered.
[16:58] <arraybolt3> backthen: Do you have backups of your data?
[16:59] <backthen> arraybolt3: No. I can try the boot into live USB method you mentioned
[17:00] <arraybolt3> backthen: OK. Be very careful, everything depends on this working properly. Do you have an external drive to put your recovered data on?
[17:00] <arraybolt3> Preferably one with more free space than your entire internal drive?
[17:00] <arraybolt3> If not, I'd highly recommend you get one first so that if anything goes horribly wrong we can try again without losing data.
[17:02] <backthen> arraybolt3: yes I do. After recovering data, can the OS be fixed? Or requires a reinstall?
[17:02] <arraybolt3> It's possible that the OS can be fixed. We'll try.
[17:03] <arraybolt3> Let me know when the live USB has been booted. First we'll make a full disk image of your drive to capture every shred of data that we can, then we'll try to recover the partition.
[17:25] <sivik>  So I have traffic coming from the internet to a server running gre and I want to forward that public traffic to the gre tunnel to another server via the gre tunnel and then to a different IP address on that server listening on port 80.  Is this something I can do with firewalld?
[17:35] <jhutchins> sivik:  http://tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/
[17:36] <jhutchins> This includes information on port forwarding with linux.
[17:36] <sivik> so if I don't have masquerade, its not going to forward the port to gre?
[17:37] <jhutchins> sivik: (firewald is just a wrapper for iptables/ipfilters).
[17:37] <jhutchins> sivik: I believe it will work the same way, masq is optional but common.
[17:38] <sivik> Yea, i'm trying to figure it out just to work. I don't care if I have to do it in firewalld or iptables
[17:38] <sivik> I just need my public traffic to push to my gre tunnel
[17:39] <jhutchins> Right.  Read the howto.
[17:40] <jhutchins> Port forwarding is port forwarding.
[17:40] <sivik> Alright.
[17:40] <jhutchins> sivik: You might find something more user friendly if you search for firewald + port forwarding, but it's the same thing.
[17:42] <sivik> firewall-cmd --add-forward-port=port=port-number:proto=tcp|udp:toport=port-number:toaddr=IP i did this but it doesn't seem to work.
[17:43] <sivik> its still acting like the traffic never gets to the tunnel server.
[17:45] <lavaball> do you have trenchbroom packaged? the quake level editor?
[17:45] <lavaball> oh ,wait, maybe there is an ubuntu box running upstairs...
[17:46] <lavaball> oh.
[17:46] <lavaball> no.
[17:46] <sivik> lavaball, who are you speaking to?
[17:46] <lavaball> well, there is one running but cache search gives no trench. just a tank game.
[17:46] <lavaball> any chance getting it packaged? how does that work with you guys? can one request stuff or do i have to compile it my own self?
[17:46] <sivik> You could probably have to do it yourself.  You could ask how do you package something in this channel but I wouldn't expect someone to do the work for you
[17:47] <lavaball> all good. found a .deb file. those are the ones you can install, right?
[17:47] <sivik> yes.
[17:48] <arraybolt3> lavaball: Careful with that. Where did you get it from?
[17:48] <lavaball> https://github.com/TrenchBroom/TrenchBroom/releases
[17:48] <arraybolt3> OK, and it's for your version of Ubuntu?
[17:48] <lavaball> down at assets.
[17:48] <arraybolt3> If it's for your version of Ubuntu, try it.
[17:48] <lavaball> that's a good question. it's not for me. my lady friend loves you guys. i'll ask her what she has and check if the version fits.
[17:49] <enigma9o7[m]> It's already there lavaball.
[17:49] <enigma9o7[m]> First thing on the list is deb.
[17:50] <lavaball> how come you don't have it packaged though? i thought the debianiens are so beloved becuase they have that huge repo.
[17:50] <lavaball> no offense or anything.
[17:50] <lavaball> i'm just wondering.
[17:50] <murmel> ioria: I am at the end my knowledge, anything I try, auto-apt-proxy doesn't work. as version 14 definitely works on debian testing/sid, idk where to look
[17:50] <arraybolt3> Probably because no one's thought to do it yet.
[17:50] <arraybolt3> Or it might be a licensing problem.
[17:50] <lavaball> the good old licenses...
[17:50] <enigma9o7[m]> It does appear to be packaged already, do you know if they have submitted it to debian?
[17:50] <lavaball> well, i appreciate you helping out.
[17:51] <enigma9o7[m]> Or do you want to be the package maintainer, perhaps you could submit it?
[17:51] <lavaball> i wouldn't know how to.
[17:51] <lavaball> also as i said i'm not really into debian.
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[17:59] <ogra> murmel, i know that wont help you, but i never have any issues using approx as package proxy (i even maintain a snap of it called "packageproxy") ... perhaps it is time to switch ?
[18:01] <buuu> Hi!
[18:02] <buuu> i want to make an full encrypted installation but with custom partitions inside the encrypted lvm and i need help
[18:03] <buuu> i want a separate /var partition and a custom size swap partition
[18:03] <tomreyn> buuu: server or desktop?
[18:03] <buuu> desktop
[18:03] <davros> do any of the linux DE's get multi monitor-multi desktop switching working with independent desktops per monitor (everything i've seen knows about seperate screens - ie you can maximize in a monitor - but considers it as one big screen regarding desktops)
[18:04] <tomreyn> buuu: which ubuntu version? 22.04 LTS? what's your question / what are you looking for support with exactly?
[18:04] <buuu> and the encrypted lvm should be 80% of the disk so there is spare place for another partitoin
[18:04] <buuu> 22.04
[18:05] <lavaball> anyway, gotta go. thanks a bunch.
[18:05] <buuu> i want to create an liks encrypted lvm
[18:05] <tomreyn> buuu: i don't think the desktop installer can combine ecnrypted lvm and custom partitioning
[18:05] <buuu> yes i need to do that manually
[18:06] <buuu> luks encrypted lvm with swap,/var and / inside
[18:06] <tomreyn> you can most likely do this with the server installer.
[18:08] <tomreyn> davros: i don'T think i can answer this for ubuntu, but since you seem to be looking for multiple linux distros, maybe #linux is better
[18:09] <fuzbuz> Is not having dkms installed going to cause issues?
[18:09] <davros> tomreyn, yeah i wasn't sure its ontopic here, but I do use Xubuntu.
[18:09] <sivik> fuzbuz, yes, it will cause things requiring a module running to work.
[18:09] <fuzbuz> sivik: Then I think I found my nvidia driver issue. Thanks!
[18:10] <tomreyn> davros: all the official flavors are on topic here, xubuntu is one of them. :)
[18:10] <davros> tomreyn, over in linux years ago they tended to skew towward lower level questions and sent me elsewhere for D.E. questions, can't remember where
[18:13] <ogra> davros, sounds like you are looking for an ancient Xorg feature called Xinerama 😉
[18:14] <davros> yeah that rings a bell..
[18:14] <ogra> (not sure modern Xorg versions still support it ... and for sure wayland does not ... so you would be tied to Xorg (*if* it is still a thing there))
[18:14] <davros> but there might be ways to fudge it, like shifting the windows in the other monitors while you switch
[18:15] <davros> although that would requre each monitor to have the same number of desktops
[18:16] <ogra> no, xinerama makes one big desktop out of all monitors
[18:16] <davros> i think thats what must be happening by default, with a workaround for maximize
[18:17] <ogra> (and maximized windows will span across all of them, like a video wall)
[18:17] <davros> right from some behaviours i actually think thats whats happening under the hood, and there's a workaround in the DE to maxmize to a single monitor
[18:18] <ogra> not sure what xfce does here ... (havent used it in ages)
[18:19] <davros> XFCE like every linux DE i've seen lets you maximize windows 'per-monitor', but when you use multiple desktops, each monitor is switched together.
[18:19] <davros> one workaround i have is to pin windows in one of the monitors.. so its like you can do 1 extreme or the other - all switching, or the 2nd screen holds a few permanent windows
[18:19] <ogra> well, i have a triple-head setup on my desktop machine ... windows maximize per-monitor ... and yes, the monitors span one desktop but are handled distinct
[18:20] <davros> (like maximize a browser for docs in the 2nd screen, and pin it so when you switch desktops, its always there)
[18:20] <ogra> i.e. i can tell gnome to have a vertical panel on the left side of the center monitor
[18:21] <arst> Some of my i3 systray applet icons disappeared after upgrading to 22.04. Does anybody know why?
[18:21] <ogra> did you treat them not well so they dont like you anymore ?
[18:22] <ogra> ... jokes aside, are you sure the apps that put them there are still using trayicons and are still installed ?
[18:23] <rfm> davros, if I'm remembering right from 30 years ago, CDE could be jiggered into doing this by running two copies of the window manager and specifying the screen (DISPLAY=:0.1)  Then got two copies of the front panel.  Couldn't drag windows from one screen to the other, though, they were isolated.
[18:24] <rfm> davros, no idea if any modern DE could be treated similarly.
[18:26] <davros> yeah its unfortunate that the mac does this when multi-desktop started out  in the unix world.. i guess most linux users dont care . I guess some day I might get around to looking at the source
[18:29] <arst> ogra: yes, it's stuff like nm-applet, blueman-applet, the Nextcloud client applet, and the Element Matrix client applet.
[18:31] <arst> However, the hexchat, syncthing, and IBus applets icons still show up
[18:33] <ogra> have you checked logs for errors ?
[18:34] <arst> ogra: didn't see anything in the i3 debug logs
[18:35] <ogra> yeah, i meant raher the system journal
[18:35] <ogra> *rather
[18:35] <saltd> rafer
[18:37] <sarnold> also look for ~/.xsession-errors -- quite a lot of stdout and stderr sorts of messages go there
[18:38] <saltd> thx
[18:40] <arst> sarnold: ogra: I found a couple leads in those logs. Thanks
[18:41] <sarnold> woo
[18:41] <ogra> 👍
[19:08] <g3poandlsl> If a laptop has a wired network connection and simultaneously has a wireless network connection, which interface is used as the default gateway?  I'm guessing the one with the lower metric, but how would the metric be determined? link speed? first connected?
[19:10] <sarnold> man I'd love to find out. my laptop is in that situation and I know I've seen it do very stupid things like switching between them every minute. I just turn off one of them all the time.
[19:16] <johnny_Linux> simple
[19:17] <evrim> hey
[19:17] <MarkRic> Hello, may someone help me with the setup of an ubuntu vps as a wireguard server for a vpn? I tried several times following some tutorial but i cannot get it to work
[19:20] <MarkRic> The problem i face every time is that it looks like my computer and the vps cannot communicate. The log in my client says the handshake does not complete
[19:20] <MarkRic> although i tried to ping the vps from my desktop and it reaches it
[19:20] <sarnold> maybe pastebin the configs (after stripping out the private keys)?
[19:20] <MarkRic> and i even disabled the firewall from the server
[19:20] <MarkRic> just to be sure
[19:28] <MarkRic> https://pastebin.com/shkPP6Dw sarnold this is my config inside the vps
[19:29] <MarkRic> i added some comments that are not in the file
[19:31] <MarkRic> https://pastebin.com/SMQXN4R0 this is the config of my client in the deskto pcomputer
[19:32] <MarkRic> yes, i am 100% sure the keys are written correctly
[19:33] <MarkRic> I'm assuming that if i make some changes to the config file i don't need to do anything but to restart the wireguard service from systemctl
[19:39] <oerheks> MarkRic, what guide did you follow?
[19:40] <MarkRic77> i followed this https://graspingtech.com/self-host-vpn-linode/
[19:41] <MarkRic77> i changed name cause i got disconnected after testing the vpn again
[19:53] <dwayne> I'm trying to understand how to access the serial port on a VM from the host. I am running 22.04.01 and used "snap install multipass" and "multipass launch ubuntu" which created a 20.04.4 VM. It uses qemu-system-x86_64 ... -chardev null,id=char0 -serial chardev:char0 ... for the serial configuration. Do I need... 1. To have used --classic when I installed multipass? 2. To use QEMU path={some device on host like /dev/ttyFoo0} 3. To create
[19:53] <dwayne>  /dev/ttyFoo0 on the host?
[20:04] <sarnold> decimal1969: you could ask in #multipass if there's a way to get access to the serial devices; I don't know it well but I can't spot anyuthing in the docs that looks right
[20:05] <decimal1969> K - thx!
[20:36] <decimal1969> Looks like multipass does not allow serial port connection so I'll use a different approach.
[20:36] <decimal1969> Looks like multipass does not allow serial port connection so I'll use a different approach.
[20:36] <decimal1969> LOL... repeating myself...
[20:40] <sarnold> :(
[20:53] <jhutchins> decimal1969: What data are you trying to pass through the serial port?  What on the host is going to read it?
[20:53] <decimal1969> I wanted to access the login prompt for a serial console.
[20:54] <jhutchins> decimal1969: Computer-to-computer serial connections are pretty rare these days, usually it's an external device talking to a program on the host.
[20:54] <decimal1969> I got here because when I run do-release-upgrade it give a warning about ssh connection so I figured the only non-ssh connection would be a serial login.
[20:55] <decimal1969> But perhaps there is some sort of non-serial console that can be accessed? That is what I would do on a physical system.
[20:56] <johnny_Linux> just so you know how old that tech is - we used to load win 95 through the serial poer on re-conditioned lap-top 286.. just saying.
[20:56] <johnny_Linux> port*
[20:57] <decimal1969> Fair enough
[20:58] <johnny_Linux> back in 96
[20:59] <sarnold> but serial consoles are a common enough thing in cloudland
[21:00] <johnny_Linux> slow as packet radio
[21:00] <johnny_Linux> is a retired ham radio repairman.
[21:00] <decimal1969> I actually had a machine the other day which I had no network info for with no VGA port that I was trying to recover so I tried the serial port but it seems there was no getty running on it. I might have to install a video card just to access the system to see what is on it. Inherited a bunch of hardware from someone who retired... Now I guess I can do some sniffing to figure out the network config perhaps...
[21:02] <sarnold> yeah, it's been decades since I've seen a getty listening to a serial port, and I have no idea if that was default or something that site configured
[21:03] <cbreak> the only thing I use serial ports for is for arduinos
[21:03] <cbreak> and those are usb based fake TTYs
[21:03] <decimal1969> Right I figured perhaps since there was no video card they would have had a serial Getty but of course they might and I just did not guess the right speed and bits with my few guesses
[21:04] <cbreak> for servers, I usually use SSH
[21:04] <cbreak> sometimes IPMI or equivalent
[21:06] <ogra> decimal1969, did you read the text the installer printed ? it actully offers you to start a second ssh server o a dedicated port so that you will still have access even if the connection you are logged in thrugh dies
[21:06] <ogra> *on a
[21:07] <ogra> you dont need a serial console 🙂
[21:09] <decimal1969> Sure and I'm sure that 99% of the time it just works. However as I am recovering machines I know that I have one that apparently died in the process of doing an update so I figured I better be prepared for the worst.
[21:10] <ogra> well, i suspect mst ubuntu installations are simply not booted with a "console=ttyS0" bootarg ... so there will not be a login prompt on the serial console
[21:10] <decimal1969> Good point - I'll put that in my notes.
[21:11] <ogra> (not sure if systemd actually spawns a serial login without that kernel cmdline arg)
[21:12] <sarnold> I bet it does not, it's big on doing as much dynamically as possible
[21:12] <decimal1969> Yeah - I have not had to think about this in years so I don't really know what the default behavior is anymore.
[21:12] <ogra> yeah
[21:13]  * ogra uses serial all the time with Ubuntu Core installs ... but they *do* have the correct console= args 
[21:14] <cbreak> hmm... USB stands for Universal Serial Bus
[21:17] <decimal1969> I have been using Ubuntu server for physical machine installs and it looks like it does not have a serial port getty by default. Only this: /sbin/agetty -o -p -- \u --noclear tty1 linux
[21:17] <ogra> yeah
[21:17] <ogra> to save resources i guess
[21:18] <decimal1969> But the Ubuntu multipass does have a serial one in addition to the one above: /sbin/agetty -o -p -- \u --keep-baud 115200,38400,9600 ttyS0 vt220
[21:18] <decimal1969> So it is there but the multipass philosophy apparently is not intended to make external access to it available. Probably with enough hacking I could get to it but they recommended using another VM manager.
[21:19] <ogra> well, are yu aware that we have a #multipass channel here on libera ?
[21:20] <decimal1969> Yes that is where I got my answer but then people gave other input here so I was responding.
[21:21] <ogra> on i see, Chris answred you (i didnt actually check the channel 🙂 )
[21:21] <ogra> multipass uses qemu in the backend so i guess the serial console is used for some management purposes for communication between multipass and the VM
[21:22] <ogra> which means you likely wont be able to connect to it
[21:22] <ogra> even if it has a getty running
[21:22] <decimal1969> Ah - yeah that might be
[21:22] <ogra> (and Chris' answer seems to confirm that)
[21:25] <sarnold> though, if the qemu arguments were correct, there could be *another* serial port available for a getty to use..
[21:25] <ogra> have fun hacking multipass then 😛
[21:26] <ogra> (not sure there are any externally accessible VM options you can set, outside of the code)
[21:26] <sarnold> I've never looked at it but I bet that's in "edit the source and recompile" territory
[21:26] <ogra> yeah
[21:26] <sarnold> all to add thirty-ish bytes to the command line :)
[21:26] <ogra> hehe
[21:31] <mneptok> LEELOO DALLAS MULTIPASS!
[21:31] <decimal1969> Yes from what I see of the commands they are intended to be a less customizable simple VM experience.
[21:31] <ogra> mneptok, !!!
[21:31] <mneptok> ogra!!!1!1!!one!1
[21:32] <ogra> 😄
[21:35] <michaeld> Man. I haven't been on IRC since the late 90's
[21:40] <web7> Hello there - I have an iMac that I want to natively run Linux. After installation, I can't get into the grub loader. I can boot with a boot iso using safe mode
[21:40] <web7> I was wondering if someone would be able to assist with fixing the booting from the hdd ?
[21:41] <michaeld> Are you dual booting or just want to run linux?
[21:41] <web7> no - would like to running linux only
[21:44] <michaeld> Have you tried Lubuntu? I am running on an old mac and ubuntu never ran right for me
[21:45] <web7> I can give that a shot ? did you find Lubuntu more stable
[21:45] <michaeld> More stable and MUCH faster
[21:45] <michaeld> Good luck :)
[22:10] <johnny_Linux> mate
[22:11] <johnny_Linux> im old school gnome 2
[22:11] <enigma9o7[m]> too late, they both left.
[22:11] <johnny_Linux> doh
[22:12] <cbreak> kde!
[22:12] <enigma9o7[m]> There was a recent article comparing resource usage of all the official ubuntu desktops.  They didnt do anything to compare "responsiveness" etc but it did show for example lxqt uses half the ram of gnome.
[22:12] <johnny_Linux> back in the days of bsd 3.6
[22:12] <enigma9o7[m]> https://www.theregister.com/2022/08/18/ubuntu_remixes/
[22:12] <cbreak> enigma9o7[m]: nothing beats the resource usage of running CLI :)
[22:13] <cbreak> firefox? Heh. Use lynx instead. Dolphin? Use ranger instead. And so on :)
[22:13] <enigma9o7[m]> or responsiveness for that matter.... when terminal can't keep up with me typing anymore, i know i'm really loading my system....
[22:13] <cbreak> I use kitty term. Fastest scrolling of all terminals (self-declared)
[22:14] <enigma9o7[m]> I use terminology.  It has cool features too,  like I can "tycat" jpg/png files.
[22:14] <johnny_Linux> most comparative websites are only there to collect revenue from sponsors.
[22:14] <enigma9o7[m]> and cool splits and stuff if you want it
[22:14] <cbreak> kitty term can display inline images too
[22:14] <enigma9o7[m]> I can even tycat videos, etc.
[22:14] <enigma9o7[m]> and theyh're there in the scrollback.  intersting stuff.
[22:15] <enigma9o7[m]> I heard good things about kitty, alactrcity etc too.
[22:15] <cbreak> kitty can not do videos. But for example ranger extracts video preview frames and displays them
[22:16] <enigma9o7[m]> cmus
[22:27] <johnny_Linux> what took me was when mandrake crashed and Ubuntu 6.06 came out -- i was hooked.
[22:28] <johnny_Linux> 7.04-4 was kiler
[22:30] <johnny_Linux> it even configed my serial moden.. im done. thanks
[22:32] <enigma9o7[m]> like, ATZ?
[22:34] <johnny_Linux> One more thing, and im done.. im going to be 78 next month.. ive been in the game since 86.. and Ubuntu made it possible for th =e conventional usr to make a desktop that worked.. thanks... out.
[22:41] <supay> is it ever a good idea to run production service on/behind screen?
[22:46] <matsaman> supay: if it works it works, but no, not really, no
[22:46] <matsaman> but we live in a world where things like PHP are run for production
[22:46] <matsaman> so the ideal is far, far away
[22:46] <supay> loll
[22:47] <supay> i would be way more comfortable making it a full fledged service managed by systemd
[22:48] <supay> matsaman: or is there a better way?
[22:48] <matsaman> using your daemon/service system is indeed the ordinary way
[22:49] <supay> matsaman: is there a better than ordinary way? :)
[22:50] <matsaman> not in the Unix world, no
[22:50] <matsaman> ordinary is good
[22:50] <matsaman> there's one obvious best way, the ordinary way
[22:50] <supay> ah alright! ty matsaman :)
[22:50] <matsaman> on Windows? Yeah frequently hacking alternatives are better than Microsoft's way
[22:50] <matsaman> s/hacking/hacky*
[22:53] <supay> hhaha, understood
[23:22]  * Teckla is suffering with Windows 11 as we speak
[23:22] <johnny_Linux> Microsoft is nutritious.
[23:22] <Teckla> If you can, use Linux!
[23:22] <johnny_Linux> nutritious
[23:31] <enigma9o7[m]> I think you're mixing up your words.  Nutritious means full of nutrients.  Unless you plan to eat the people working there, Microsoft is not normally described as nutritious.
[23:35] <johnny_Linux> Modern day public schoolers are only fed information that is in acquiescence of the immediate political atmosphere.
[23:36] <arraybolt3> enigma9o7[m]: LOL
[23:42] <johnny_Linux> i have to leave.. be polite to each other and be patient.. back after a while..
[23:45] <rob0> I know he just left, but if "nutritious" means "you can get jobs working with Windows", you're going to be in a much better employment field if you know Ubuntu / Linux.
[23:47] <enigma9o7[m]> What kind of job can i get by being familiar with using and working with Ubuntu/Linux?
[23:48] <rob0> Sysops? Devops? I've been working in Unix/Linux for years.
[23:49] <rob0> are you not? You should start looking.
[23:53] <supay> knowing unix/linux just helps because who really even deploys stuff to windows anymore (i know people do, especially legacy infra, but whaaa)