[01:13] <Eickmeyer[m]> OvenWrks: Did you hear from Mauro about joining the Ubuntu Summit? Do you think you'd be able to go?
 "OvenWrks: Did you hear from..." <-  OvenWrks: it would be great to have you there. 
[21:04] <RuthCheesleysheh> Made a few changes to these pages just to make them more readable:... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/03b8beaccf0eba3401ddcdcd9f90b2b62d075ebc)
[21:07] <Eickmeyer[m]> Ruth Cheesley (she/her): To be honest, that has always confused me as well. As far as I know, help.ubuntu.com has always been just general community-contributed help pages, whereas wiki.ubuntu.com is official documentation and developer information, but I'm not 100% sure.
[21:07] <RuthCheesleysheh> OK - there did seem to be quite some duplication
[21:08] <RuthCheesleysheh> Just wanted to make sure I understood what should live where!
[21:08] <Eickmeyer[m]> Thomas Ward: Do you have any better explanation than I?
[21:08] <Eickmeyer[m]> (that's assuming he answers)
[21:08] <Eickmeyer[m]> Maybe Simon Quigley Might have a better answer.
[21:09] <arraybolt3[m]> (Just popping in to say distrho-ports progress is continuing - I think I'm almost to under 5000 entries in the progress file.)
[21:10] <Eickmeyer[m]> arraybolt3: Awesome! Yeah, it's... a marathon, not a sprint. Glad you have the time to do it, I know I was busy mixing a live stream this morning. I get called-in to do those from time-to-time.
[21:10] <arraybolt3[m]> The thing is HUGE! Thankfully, once it's done once, a git diff should show how it changes and allow future updates to be much easier.
[21:11] <Eickmeyer[m]> arraybolt3: Yeah, but you should have push access, so don't worry about diffing it. I'll look at your commit and make changes if necessary. It's a collaborative effort more than a review effort at this point.
[21:12] <Eickmeyer[m]> Unless you're doing the diff for your own benefit.
[21:12] <Eickmeyer[m]> Ruth Cheesley (she/her): It's a Sunday, so don't be surprised if we don't get better clarification on that today. I know there's historical context, but I'm fuzzy on the details.
[21:13] <Eickmeyer[m]> Ruth Cheesley (she/her): BTW, the readability is awesome, and thanks for doing the updates! It's fallen behind. Documentation is *so hard* to keep up on!
[21:14] <RuthCheesleysheh> Oh no rush at all. I don't have huge amounts of time so I'm just popping in and doing things as and when I have a bit of time free 🙂 
[21:14] <Eickmeyer[m]> I couldn't ask for more!
[21:39] <tsimonq2> > <@rcheesley:matrix.org> Made a few changes to these pages just to make them more readable:... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/e9d1ab941762e092ff962f14a6b45b7b158c1c2c)
[21:39] <tsimonq2> That's at least how I remember it 
[22:16] <RuthCheesleysheh> Well, I managed to yoink a list of all the pages under wiki. and help. in the Ubuntu Studio section using the sub-pages lists, which I've dumped here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1aKz2rJVfasq1Drvg8urk9_5NdsQSjkdsMopgcUHqu2I/edit?usp=sharing .. can't seem to crawl it with link checker but that might be something server side blocking it being crawled I guess. So at least that's a rough outline of what's actually
[22:16] <RuthCheesleysheh> there
[22:18] <RuthCheesleysheh> The parts which are unlinked are due to probably the most un-user-friendly resource on the planet: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/SubPages
[22:18] <RuthCheesleysheh> 🤣
[22:19] <Eickmeyer[m]> Ruth Cheesley (she/her): Awesome. Obviously some of that is useful, some of it isn't, and some of it is merely historical. It'd be nice to weed-out the stuff that's unnecessary.
[22:19] <RuthCheesleysheh> had to do a bit of jigging around to get them out into a column from an epic long list of three-space-separated slugs
[22:19] <Eickmeyer[m]> I've been doing release notes via the website for the past few releases as it's WordPress, so it's vastly more intuitive and quicker to use than the wiki, hence no new release notes there.
[22:20] <RuthCheesleysheh> Yeah I totally agree. Must be a million times easier!
[22:20] <Eickmeyer[m]> Basically WYSIWYG.
[22:21] <RuthCheesleysheh> Will have a think during the week how best to organise it all visually 
[22:21] <Eickmeyer[m]> I can see the Blueprints pieces going away, and a few other deprecated pieces getting deleted.
[22:22] <Eickmeyer[m]> Sounds good.
[22:22] <RuthCheesleysheh> Not sure if you've come across it before but https://diataxis.fr/ can be helpful in organising documentation so folks know where to go to find what they are looking for
[22:22] <Eickmeyer[m]> One of my predecessors was obsessed with documenting everything to the point of duplicating documentation found elsewhere.
[22:23] <RuthCheesleysheh> May not be appropriate here, but it's been quite useful a few other projects I know of
[22:23] <RuthCheesleysheh> Document all the things! hehe
[22:24] <Eickmeyer[m]> I mean, writing manuals for applications we include that already have their own manuals? Knothx.
[22:24] <RuthCheesleysheh> Ah, yeah, that's just a bit of a waste of volunteers time. Single source of truth and all that.
[22:25] <Eickmeyer[m]> Exactly.
[22:25] <Eickmeyer[m]> Now, there are some docs we have that I even still refer to from time to time, like the one on creating a debdiff. I haven't found one like it anywhere else.
[22:26] <Eickmeyer[m]> I think it's somewhere under seed maintenance or something like that.
[22:26] <RuthCheesleysheh> I have started throwing stuff like that into my Obsidian notes .. just so I can find it quicker!
[22:28] <Eickmeyer[m]> Yeah, I usually just bookmark it and sync it everywhere.
 "Thomas Ward: Do you have any..." <- hmm?
[22:57] <Eickmeyer[m]> Thomas Ward: Oh, it was about the wikis, and the difference between wiki.ubuntu.com and help.ubuntu.com.
[23:00] <ThomasWard[m]> ah.  thats an issue that has been escalated to the CC so for now i dont have an answer.
[23:11] <ErichEickmeyer[m> @teward001 See DMs in Telegram
[23:40] <krytarik> Eickmeyer[m]: You can reply to the "dead link to checksums" person now if you wish, I just went through the whole 22.04 release notes page and fixed things I noticed there including that, which btw wasn't dead because of the point release but because it linked to a self-invented MD256SUMS file. XD
[23:43] <Eickmeyer[m]> krytarik: self-invented? Ew.
[23:45] <krytarik> Yeah, apparently you mixed and matched between the old MD5 and the now sole SHA256 at the time of the original release. >_<
[23:52] <Eickmeyer[m]> Oh crap.
[23:53] <Eickmeyer[m]> That's what I get for copy-pasting and editing.