[00:02] firmware is completely something else than uefi. [00:03] uh, the f in uefi stands for firmware... [00:04] updates can pull in firmware for various devices. [00:04] as extention to UEFI indeed [00:08] starts from Xubuntu (boot override) but still the problem [00:10] webchat30: So Xubuntu doesn't boot at all, but just gives the message? [00:10] If so, we'll need a live USB to sort this out. [00:17] I turn on the PC, the options to select the operating system (grub) appear, I selected xubuntu and I get the message "shim lock protocol not found" and "kernel must be loaded first" [00:17] Oh that's weird. Can you select "Advanced Options for Ubuntu" and try to boot an older kernel? [00:18] Also what version of Xubuntu is this? [00:23] Xubuntu 22.04 (Linux 5.15.0-46) and the same error with older kernel, even if i try to boot windows i get the same (but if i boot first with windows boot manager if windows boots) [00:24] Ok, I have live USB (Xubuntu) and now, what's next? [00:26] webchat30: To me it sounds like GRUB is borked, so hopefully a simple reinstall should fix it. [00:26] webchat30: So what I'd do is pop open a terminal with Ctrl+Alt+T. [00:27] webchat30: Next, we need to looks at the list of disks in the system. To do that, type "lsblk" and press Enter. This should let you figure out which disk is your main disk. If you're unsure, run "lsblk | nc termbin.com 9999" and send the link that spits out - that will let me look at it. [00:27] (Also, just in case you didn't know, please don't paste large amounts of command output into the chat, that messes things up and will trigger a bot to mute you for a bit. Use pastebins like termbin.com.) [00:28] (Also bpa.st is another good pastebin.) [00:36] Do I open the terminal running Xubuntu from the live USB? [00:37] Yes. [00:45] Hi all. Is there a way, using gnome, to take a screenshot with a key-comination? [00:45] bobdobbs: Does Print Screen not work? [00:45] Or do you not have a Print Screen key? [00:45] prtscr doesn't work, no. It opens up a dialogue. [00:46] I want to take a screenshot with a key-combination. Not using a dialogue [00:46] Using a dialogue means that the cursor state and position won't be captured in the screenshot [00:47] bobdobbs: Shift+Print Screen works for me. [00:47] I already did it, I know which is the main disk and its partitions. what do I do now? [00:48] webchat30: OK, so do "sudo mount /dev/sdXY /mnt", where sdX is the main drive and Y is the root partition. [00:49] (For instance, "sudo mount /dev/sda2 /mnt" - this may or may not be right for your system, but that's the idea of the command.) [00:49] arraybolt3: oh damn. That actually does work for me... except that it doesn't capture the mouse position and state! [00:50] I'm trying to take screenshots to show a client how to make an edit to their website. I need to show them a screenshot with the mouse position/state showing. [00:51] bobdobbs: Hmm... using just Print Screen and then selecting to capture the mouse pointer works but it requires the extra step of clicking the Capture button. [00:51] (The mouse pointer button in the lower-right corner of the screenshotter UI is the "show pointer" button.) [00:53] arraybolt3: yeah. But because you have to move the mouse to the UI, the mouse won't show in screenshot [00:53] bobdobbs: Try it, it works for me and shows the mouse where I left it. Like, here's a screenshot with the mouse underneath the clock. [00:53] I've tried it. It doesn't work for me. [00:54] * arraybolt3[m] uploaded an image: (285KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/BvhJGdOcwmrnujvvvUZnqcQT/image.png > [00:54] How can I find out which is the root partition? is it where you install "/"? [00:54] webchat30: Yes. [00:55] hello [00:55] rayff: \o [00:55] bobdobbs: Sorry, not sure what else will work then. Maybe someone else here will know. [01:01] alt + scrnsht works, without dialog [01:01] the dialog will say you can copy paste it from clipboard, i use CopyQ [01:02] not sure it captures mouse.. [01:03] ah, copyQ gives an option in settings, ' capture with mouse' [01:03] I already did it (sudo mount /dev/nvme0n1p6 /mnt) although apparently nothing happened, and now? [01:04] webchat30: Next, identify your EFI partition (should be /dev/nvme0n1p1), and do "sudo mount /dev/nvme0n1pX /mnt/boot/efi", replacing X as appropriate. [01:09] Ok, next step [01:12] same as before after "sudo mount /dev/nvme0n1p1 /mint/boot/efi" nothing happened [01:13] What's next now? [01:17] webchat30: "/mint/boot/efi" ?? >> should that not be /mnt/boot/efi - that is mnt . [01:19] What's is the next step after sudo mount /dev/nvme0n1p1 /mnt/boot/efi? (mint because orographic correction on my phone 😂) [01:28] webchat30: Sorry for the long dealy [01:28] s/dealy/delay/ [01:29] webchat30: Next is "sudo mount --bind /dev /mnt/dev && sudo mount --bind /dev/pts /mnt/dev/pts && sudo mount --bind /proc /mnt/proc && sudo mount --bind /sys /mnt/sys". [01:29] (Each of the mount commands separated by && can be typed in one at a time, or you can copypaste the whole thing all at once if you want to.) [01:31] I do it, wait please [01:38] After "sudo mount --bind /dev/mnt/dev" the answer said "mount point does not exist" [01:39] You or I failed to put a space after the first "/dev". [01:39] Or there's a different typo somewhere in the command. [01:44] Correct, my fail, the space was missing, I will continue with the other commands [01:48] Ok, all commands entered. Next step [02:00] I still here waiting the next step [02:04] arraybolt3: [02:04] I haven't done an EFI install in ages or I'd chime in [02:18] What is the next step? Help! [02:29] !fixgrub [02:29] GRUB2 is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost GRUB after installing Windows? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestoreGrub - For more information and troubleshooting for GRUB2 please refer to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2 [02:31] webchat30: No, that's not it. [02:31] webchat30: Turn SecureBoot off. It's as simple as that.\ [02:32] first google hit for "shim lock". [02:32] You've been at this for three hours? [02:36] I give up, I'm going to reinstall everything and disable secure boot [02:37] hi [02:37] hi rock [02:37] i am facing issue of space [02:37] matsaman, o/ [02:38] secure boot sounds like a hassle. i'd disable that too if my pc offered it. [02:38] npm ERR! nospc ENOSPC: no space left on device, write [02:38] great scott! [02:38] Rockwood: well you need to remove some files [02:38] Rockwood: or back them up [02:38] probably there is plenty you can remove that isn't important, though [02:38] i just added phpmyadmin folder [02:38] Rockwood: https://wiki.debian.org/DiskFreeSpace [02:39] is possible to resize it? [02:39] https://wiki.debian.org/DiskFreeSpace#Find_things_to_erase [02:39] Rockwood: resize a directory? [02:39] if it is a partition, yes [02:39] if it is a disk, no [02:39] if the parittion already fills the disk, no [02:40] if it is a partition, yes <-- yes this is i want [02:40] thanks to everyone (except Microsoft which is the root of all problems) Bye [02:40] tc [02:40] not sure why you'd put phpmyadmin on its own partition [02:40] I wouldnt. [02:40] bcz i wanna handle mysql in easy way [02:41] every time i have to open terminal and enter from there [02:41] I was able to open a text file as a program in ubuntu 20.04 Now that I've upgraded to 22.04 the file doesn't open as a program it opens as a text file with gedit. In file properties is is still ticked to allow to open as program. How do I get it to run the commands in the file rather than opening it with gedit? [02:42] matsaman, i can manage from terminal but just make thing easy to me [02:42] Vscode also having Mysql plugin [02:43] but i am unable to use that [02:43] nunya: I think you need to tweak your Nautilus settings. [02:44] Hold on, lemme find it... [02:45] arraybolt3: ok what do you mean? I used to be able to run it from the desktop or thunar. I don't like nautilus [02:45] nunya: Oh you're on Xubuntu then? [02:45] (Sorry, I'm using Ubuntu. Xubuntu is supported here, but the two have different file managers so I didn't know.) [02:45] nunya: probably right click, properties or whatever, run via terminal/shell/etc [02:46] Rockwood: anyway, running out of space is bad, so just make some room [02:46] arraybolt3: no I'm using thunar on ubuntu 22.04 and it works well for everything except running files as programs evidently [02:47] matsaman, thanks for guide [02:47] Ah. I'm hitting the same problem even on Nautilus, so... :( [02:47] i am thinking to remove phpmyadmin back [02:47] nunya: Hmm... I can right-click and click "open as a program" over here, maybe you have a similar feature? [02:47] (Not ideal, but if nothing else it's something. I'm still looking for the ideal solution.) [02:48] https://stackoverflow.com/questions/56241166/how-to-run-sh-file-by-double-clicking-in-xfce [02:50] nunya: OK, I know Linux Mint is not Ubuntu, but this forum post has how to re-enable the ability to execute things in Thunar even if there's no option in the preferences to enable it: https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?t=202303 [02:50] it is ubuntu, but not enough for this channel =P [02:52] matsaman: Well, yeah. My point was the post might contain the solution but don't get too minty around here :P [02:52] =P [02:52] arraybolt3: thanks I used to just double click any files that had run as program set in properties. Some upgrade this turned out to be. Adde steps to run file as program,I can't change desktop icon spacing without editing /usr/share/gnome-shell/extensions/ding@rastersoft.com/enums.js There used to be a gui for that. It's like every upgrade strips something els out of functionality. [02:53] GNOME is pretty big on hiding things [02:53] following Apple's lead [02:54] Where do I give Ubuntu Developers Feedback about these kinds of things? [02:54] nunya: Oddly enough, on Thunar over here, there's an option under Edit > Preferences that says "Run executable text files when opened". [02:54] It's in the Behavior section of the preferences. [02:55] nunya: nowhere, it's a GNOME issue [02:55] arraybolt3: thanks the forum link was very helpful! [02:55] matsaman: I'm pretty sure this is an XFCE issue. [02:56] nunya: Glad to be able to help! [02:56] I mean you can tell them you don't like it and they might do something about it, but still a GNOME issue [02:56] arraybolt3: anything to do with /usr/share/gnome-shell/ is a GNOME issue, however [02:56] matsaman: Oh right, I forgot there were two things we were talking about. [02:58] so many things [02:58] I wonder if Budgie is any better? [02:59] Or KDE. If you ever wanted something that gives you copious amounts of options, KDE is the way. [02:59] matsaman, what do you use as backend development environment? [03:06] Rockwood: you mean in the realm of phpmyadmin? [03:06] no [03:06] what do you use php node or any other? [03:07] arraybolt3: been happy with Xfce for decades [03:07] backend programming [03:07] oh [03:07] I'm lucky enough to be in the python world right now [03:07] it's all the same as far as programming [03:07] but as far as implementation, PHP's is... bad [03:07] matsaman, thne? [03:07] then? [03:07] then what? [03:08] i am using which one you use mostly as backend? [03:08] lol [03:08] i am using php [03:08] matsaman: I used to use XFCE, it was really nice. I'm currently on GNOME for the sake of possibly making all my GNOME programs work better... but I'm somewhat regretting that decision and plan on jumping to either Budgie or LXQt next. [03:08] and which one you use mostly as backend? [03:08] mmm, use python at work, and bash personally [03:08] is python easy [03:08] ? [03:09] yeah [03:09] php, python, perl, javascript, they're all pretty close [03:10] python's interpreter & stdlib, security is a lot better than php's, but just programming with either one is not going to be so incredibly different [03:10] lot lot lot of PHP work out there still for some reason [03:11] wouldn't be my first choice for personal scripts, but it makes sense to use what you know [03:13] yeah php having lots of huddles i am agree with your statement [03:13] live streaming is concern right now [03:15] matsaman, enigma9o7[m] thanks [03:15] cya [03:28] Hey people, it's me again. I solved the "shim lock not found" problem on my dual boot, it was only an option in the bios [03:29] Bios/advanced mode/boot/secure boot/OS type change to "other OS" [03:29] On Asus h97 plus mainboard [03:30] that was arraybolt3 pointing too, also my 1st clue besides bios update [03:30] have fun, webchat30 [03:31] webchat30: Glad it worked! [03:31] (I had to go away from keyboard for quite a while earlier, sorry that I randomly stopped responding.) [03:33] I'm happy, thanks again to all for your help, the important thing is that the problem was solved, I just hope that the changes made in the terminal will not damage anything. [03:35] Nah, all we did was mount stuff, we didn't actually make any changes. [03:36] that's great. thanks and bye [03:36] o/ [04:03] can i install wine on ubuntu 16.04 LTS ESM ? [04:05] it is not part of the core packages. so if you tried, and failed, no. [04:05] okay [04:31] anyone have any experience with routing public traffic from hosta to an ip on hostb with a gre tunnel? [04:32] https://imgur.com/LYPfKz6 [04:32] getting ip 189.182 responding from my pc without a static route between my pc and host a === HackerII is now known as johnny_Linux === toolz is now known as Daniel [05:27] upgrade removed my kicad-5.1 package and wont install kicad-6 due to "unmet dependencies" @https://pastebin.mozilla.org/POUCM3pi [05:29] guest on what ubuntu version? [05:30] Guest56: You might have better luck by using Aptitude to install it rather than plain apt. You can get Aptitude with "sudo apt install aptitude". [05:31] It should tell you why stuff isn't installable or isn't going to be installed, and offer solutions. [05:32] and did you run updates properly, before installing? [05:32] old lists can cause this too [05:33] yes, i did all upgrades [05:33] and what ubuntu version? [05:33] "E: Package 'aptitude' has no installation candidate" [05:33] you should have started wit that [05:34] 22.04 [05:34] aptitude is in universe repo, AFAIK [05:35] What's "/etc/apt/sources.list" look like? (Pastebin it, please!) [05:35] (If apt can't find aptitude, something has gotten badly broken.) [05:35] !pastebin [05:35] For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use https://dpaste.com | To post !screenshots use https://imgur.com/ !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic. [05:35] kicad is available in softwarecenter.. easy peasy [05:36] cause was: sources.list missing 'universe multiverse' on source lines [05:36] enable it in software settings [05:37] cause was: default URLs too slow in china, many moons ago had switched to local sources, local source definitions did not have these [05:37] doing an update now, hopefully fixes, thanks [05:37] 👍️ Glad we were able to help! [05:37] upgrade took the old source lines and copied them without checking them [05:38] maybe could file a bug to have it do basic sanity checks before updating sources.list [05:39] lines written with "automatically generated by distro upgrade" or whatever look overly authoritative when actually they are not [05:39] I see your point. I might be able to reproduce the problem and potentially make a bug report. [05:39] cheers [05:39] thanks everyone [05:40] Sure thing, and good luck! [05:53] Wazzzzahhh [06:05] im trying to change mt gnome shell with user themes, but whenever I try to change it, nothing changes [06:05] my* [06:07] identify darkenergy === oerheks is now known as Guest1586 === oerheks1 is now known as oerheks [06:12] user these in the gnome extensions site wont stay on, ill turn it on, refresh the page then it is back off [06:13] themes* [06:23] how do i install deb firefox in ubuntu 22.04.1 side by side wit snap firefox? [06:24] with* [06:27] sudo dpkg -i [06:30] cosmicrajiv: PPA? [06:31] he did not say where that deb comes from.. [06:32] https://launchpad.net/~mozillateam/+archive/ubuntu/ppa gives an old version [06:33] Looks like they also package new versions in there too. [06:33] ESR maybe .. [06:33] I'm seeing version 104 in there. [06:33] (Newer version available) [06:33] It used to just be ESR but it looks like they changed that. [06:34] no [06:34] (Weird thing is that 104 sorta seems like it might be a beta, since the latest version of Firefox according to the website is 103.0.2.) [06:34] 104 is current beta [06:35] oh dear, we get 103 .. https://snapcraft.io/firefox [06:35] oerheks: Looks like "Newer version available" is just pointing to the Snap package - I'm guessing the version number of the Snap transitional package is set to be "newer" than anything else? [06:36] arraybolt3[m], that may be right, yes. [06:37] oh, wait. 104 build2 could be an RC [06:37] Still ESR is better than Snap for someone who can't deal with the limitations of the Snap Firefox. [06:37] arraybolt3[m]: the snap transitional has an epoch [06:40] yeah, 104-build2 is the 2nd release candidate for 104 final [06:40] there is also a build3 on the mozilla ftp [06:42] my laptop wont even start snap firefox [06:42] it just spinning circle then stops [06:42] too slow i think [06:42] celeron n4020 [06:42] orca_: Care to run "firefox" in a terminal and put whatever output it gives in a pastebin for us to see? [06:42] !pastebin [06:42] For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use https://dpaste.com | To post !screenshots use https://imgur.com/ !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic. [06:43] im not on ubuntu right now [06:43] Oh. [06:43] i have to install it again. i installed manjaro because of the reason it wouldnt start [06:43] Well, if you run Firefox from a terminal, it should tell you why it isn't starting (albeit in geeky terms), and that why may help us find a solution to the problem. [06:44] ok yeah [06:44] arraybolt3[m]: what is the ppa for that? [06:44] oerheks pasted it above, lemme find it... [06:44] https://launchpad.net/~mozillateam/+archive/ubuntu/ppa [06:44] cosmicrajiv: ^ [06:45] oh yeah.. [06:50] Hello team, [06:51] Can someone help me with a sound problem with my notebook [06:52] Please, can someone add a kernel fix for ROG Zephyrus S17 GX701LWS_GX701LWS, Subsystem Id: 0x10431f01. [06:52] This is what a quirk should look like: [06:52] +SND_PCI_QUIRK(0x1043, 0x1f01, “ASUS GX701L”, ALC294_FIXUP_ASUS_SPK) [06:52] [pincfg] [06:52] 0x19 0x03A11050 [06:52] 0x1a 0x03A11C30 [06:53] !bug | Iwanche [06:53] Iwanche: If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its official !flavors, please report it using the command « ubuntu-bug » - See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs for other ways to report bugs. [06:56] !bug [06:56] If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its official !flavors, please report it using the command « ubuntu-bug » - See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs for other ways to report bugs. [07:04] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1987249 [07:04] Launchpad bug 1987249 in linux (Ubuntu) "Asus ROG Zephyrus GX701L sound problem" [Undecided, New] [07:05] arraybolt3[m]: installed the esr version of firefox from the ppa link you provided. it is definitely a little better than firefox snap. [07:06] cosmicrajiv: \o/ [07:06] Iwanche, did you try to apply that patch? does it work? [07:06] is it keep updated through "apt update" command? [07:06] if you have a .patch file for that please attach it. with the current bug report i would not even know which file that is [07:07] Unfortunately, I don't know how to do that, or rather I don't know how to compile the kernel. [07:07] cosmicrajiv: It should stay updated, yes. Unless the packages are designed poorly which I seriously doubt. [07:07] Iwanche: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/BuildYourOwnKernel [07:08] arraybolt3[m]: its developed by ubuntu community or mozilla? [07:09] cosmicrajiv: I believe it's developed by the community, or, that is, very high-ranking members of the community. [07:09] Those people should know what they're doing, since they also are Ubuntu developers and at least one of them is a Canonical employee. [07:09] (Er, multiple of them are Ubuntu developers and at least one is a Canonical employee.) [07:10] arraybolt3[m: that's good. and i think i am using the esr version more than the snap for now. [07:12] I guess I should say "Multiple very high-ranking members and other trusted members of the community", since I see not *all* of them are Ubuntu developers... but a lot of them are, so yeah, if anyone knows what they're doing, it's them. [07:13] yeah. [07:14] now we need the same with chromium :> [07:14] arraybolt3[m}: by the way i think the snap version is really improved a lot in 22.04.1 compared to 22.04. [07:14] cosmicrajiv: Agreed. [07:14] the speed is definitely improves a lot [07:18] arraybolt3[m}; I saw a lot of criticism about how snap is taking up a lot more storage. but when compared to flatpaks i don' t see any truth in those statements. Because when i compared both side by side they almost took similar storge, in fact snaps are taking less. [07:19] but that's by observation, may be i am wrong in that. [07:19] my* [07:21] cosmicrajiv: it does make sense that snaps take less space than flatpaks (as snaps are compressed, reason why they are slower than flats or debs) [07:26] murmel: is it a good thing? [07:28] cosmicrajiv: I can't really say. on the one hand you use less space on disk, but on the other hand, you have more work for the cpu (as it decompresses the squashfs). as I don't use that much disk space anyway (or have enough) I don't care too much about disk space [07:29] murmel: so both snaps and flatpaks are good and bad on their own rights? [07:31] cosmicrajiv: I do think that containers are the future, but flat and snap are not it. it will still evolve. both have their caveats. but for now, I like flats more (as it's faster) [07:31] i don't want to talk about appimage :S that's another whole discussion [07:31] murmel: agreed. === pascalm1 is now known as pascalm [07:45] i have an nvidia geforce rtx 3050 and ubuntu has been using the proprietary drivers but i can't see the gui settings app for nvidia. [07:45] this is the output of "nvidia-smi" https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/ZxZRVVDkFw/plain/ [07:47] by default the the gpu is set to "on-demand". [07:48] cosmicrajiv: make sure that nvidia-settings is installed [07:48] ok [07:53] murmel: why the intel mode is disabled? https://imgur.com/XrpxO32.png [07:54] cosmicrajiv: I never owned a nvidia gpu, but it almost sounds like that maybe the intel gpu is disabled in the bios/uefi [07:54] but that's only my guess [07:54] ahh, sorry I misunderstood that screenshot :/ [07:55] cosmicrajiv: do you know if that works under windows for example? [07:57] murmel: no idea. i didn't check while on windows. [07:59] cosmicrajiv: the problem with these dual gpu setups in laptops is, depending on how the screen is wired in, in some setups you can't turn off the dgpu or igpu. only in newer setups (which yours should be) it works where you can turn off both. [07:59] muemel: cosmicrajiv: I never owned a nvidia gpu......., then why it is working on on-demand mode. [07:59] I would definitely look in the uefi to see if there is some setting [07:59] i installed ubuntu on the extra drive. firefox starts now. it might have been because of mozillavpn repository idk [07:59] or ppa i mean [08:00] ok i'll see it there. [08:00] cosmicrajiv: i assume that on-demand doesn't really turn off the gpu responsible for the screen. it just goes to low power [08:01] murmel [08:01] murmel: may be. [08:04] murmel: this command does the trick sudo prime-select intel [08:04] oO wow. so in cli it works but not gui? [08:04] yeah [08:05] why have a gui then xD [08:05] there is an article in this topic on askubuntu sebsite. [08:05] website* [08:06] https://askubuntu.com/questions/1395034/nvidia-x-server-power-safe-mode-unavailable [08:07] eh okay. i guess good2know [08:08] hi, we have random errors trying to install packages: W: Failed to fetch http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/focal-security/InRelease Temporary failure resolving 'security.ubuntu.com' when i manually try to resolve this url from the same network i have a flapping behavior. sometimes it works and sometimes not. the network i'm doing this from is a k8s cluster in Frankfurt [08:09] Segaja: sounds like your network is flaky [08:09] does it help if you rewrite it to archive.ubuntu.com [08:09] i have the same issue for archive.ubuntu.com [08:09] since yesterday early morning alrady [08:10] Segaja: hm, my servers in nuremberg are fine [08:10] are you in control of the network? [08:10] our servers in US are also fine. just in europe (Frankfurt alicloud) they are affected [08:11] it is a managed k8s cluster from the cloud provider [08:11] Segaja: I would definitely talk to alicloud then [08:13] wow. i can't even do an `apt update`: Cannot initiate the connection to archive.ubuntu.com:80 (2001:67c:1562::15). - connect (101: Network is unreachable) Cannot initiate the connection to archive.ubuntu.com:80 (2620:2d:4000:1::19). - connect (101: Network is unreachable) Cannot initiate the connection to archive.ubuntu.com:80 (2001:67c:1562::18). - connect (101: Network is unreachable) Cannot [08:13] initiate the connection to archive.ubuntu.com:80 (2620:2d:4000:1::16). - connect (101: Network is unreachable) [08:15] murmel: did ubuntu suddenly start to promote ipv6 which isn't working for us properly? [08:15] Segaja: did you try to reach the servers over ipv4? [08:15] no [08:16] there is nothing new or faulty on Ubuntu's side here. you just have to fix your network [08:16] i didn't change the configuration and it worked before. but i will get in contact with alicloud now. maybe they did some change to prefer ipv6 now [08:16] is there an easy way to force apt to use ipv4? === diskin is now known as Guest9053 === diskin_ is now known as diskin [08:17] Segaja: https://zach-adams.com/2015/01/apt-get-cant-connect-to-security-ubuntu-fix/ [08:17] maybe [08:18] but I would definitely talk to alicloud [08:18] even in 2015 disabling IPv6 instead of fixing it was a bad advice [08:18] i'm on my way talking to alicloud, but i have to get my windows vm up first :D [08:18] sure, but at least he can get back up and running [08:19] and it's not disabling it [08:19] ravage: i agree. but for now i want to get these jobs run once today before i try to fix ipv6 [08:19] it prefers ipv4 over 6 [08:20] ok this gets creative. the container has no editor installed and apt cache is deleted... but anyway. thanks for all the help [08:20] eh makes sense to have no editor in a container :3 [08:21] Segaja, there are ways to temp disable IPv6 like on https://itsfoss.com/disable-ipv6-ubuntu-linux/ [08:21] just make sure to re-enable it when the problem is fixed or just reboot [08:21] ravage: he doesn't control the hosts [08:22] well it is a pod for a cronjob so unless i do this in the dockerfile it will be reset in the next run [08:22] cloud life if fun right? :P [08:22] cloud is only fun if you control the servers also ;) [08:23] echo 'Acquire::ForceIPv4 "true";' | sudo tee /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/99force-ipv4 [08:23] maybe that can be useful [08:24] at least it should be able to test it out in runtime [08:24] on* [08:26] ravage: that helps [08:26] just to be clear on more time: you guys don't know of any ipv6 related routing or DNS issues on ubuntu/canonical site? [08:27] Segaja: I prefer ipv6 over 4 and it runs fine [08:27] both works here. but i dont have global monitoring of the internet :) [08:28] can't we just move on to ipv6 already :( [08:28] did you try to reach anynthing else via v6? [08:28] something like google.com? [08:29] google.com resolves as ipv4 when i do a normal curl call [08:29] that should not be the default [08:29] also another server of us from NUE works but that is old infrastructure which has disabled ipv6 since ags [08:29] try this 2001:4860:4860::8888 (that's their dns) [08:30] maybe your provider's DNS is brown [08:31] but "Network is unreachabl" really sounds like a general network problem [08:32] alicloud is now also looking into this. luckily this is only one service which runs on a plain ubuntu image and installs needed packages at runtime. most likely we will write a dockerfile for this to move the package installation from runtime to buildtime [08:32] sounds like the better move anyway :) [08:35] agreed, but so far it wasn't a problem [08:36] i guess i could sue the opportunity to also bump the ubuntu base image to the latest LTS [08:37] hm, you can. I am rather a fan of taking my time to roll out new LTS releases. as I want to test it more [08:38] well i need to test the changes anyway, but since i only need locale, openssh-client and mysql-client it shouldn't that big a deal [08:39] oh, yeah. I guess that's a good start for a new LTS === ulmanak_ is now known as ulmanak [09:14] curios question: is it normal that the mirrors are accessed with http:// and not via TLS? [09:36] Segaja: yes, so you can cache them, and there is no real benefit for tls, other than "obscuring" which updates you pull + have way more load on the server as it needs to encrypt [09:36] Segaja: depending on your infra, it does make sense to cache in comparison to setting up a whole mirror [09:38] got it [09:40] Segaja: but that's why it's important to install packages with apt, as apt verifies that there was no tampering. in comparison to downloading them over http and then apt (or even worse dpkg) [09:41] sure [10:03] I'm seeing this in my syslog and wondering what can/should be done to resolve it: [10:03] snapd[1250]: storehelpers.go:722: cannot refresh: snap has no updates available: "bare", "bitwarden", "core", "core18", "core20", "core22", "gnome-3-28-1804", "gnome-3-34-1804", "gnome-3-38-2004", "gtk-common-themes", "gtk2-common-themes", "helm", "shutter", "snap-store", "snapd", "spotify", "telegram-desktop" [10:04] zetheroo: the way I read it, it just says no updates for your snap packages [10:04]