[00:03] <frib> my laptop volume and application volume are both maxed and I can't hear anything
[00:03] <frib> Is there anything I Can do to boost them higher?
[00:04] <WeeBey98> frib, there's some over amp setting
[00:04] <WeeBey98> in the sound setting, "over amplification"
[00:05] <WeeBey98> frib, it's not a great solution but it may help a bit.
[00:05] <frib> I found something in pavucontrol
[00:05] <frib> works fine
[00:12] <Polo> yeoo
[00:12] <WeeBey98> frib, yeah i wasn't sure if that came with unbutu by default
[00:24] <MinusSeven> Hi everyone
[00:24] <MinusSeven> When you do apt upgrade, and it says the following packages have been kept back, what's the best thing to do? I read that you just do apt install package
[00:26] <sarnold> MinusSeven: there's a few different causes; one is that they are part of 'phased updates', and your machine might want to install them in the next few adys
[00:26] <arraybolt3[m]> MinusSeven: That's probably just phased updates.
[00:26] <arraybolt3[m]> IF so, you can just ignore it.
[00:27] <sarnold> MinusSeven: another is that there's some package conflicts that are prventing the installation; this is a lot less common, but happens..
[00:27] <sarnold> I'm not sure how exactly you'd know which is which though
[00:46] <rfm> There's a report showing which updates are currently phasing at https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/phased-updates.html
[00:47] <rfm> And indeed, if I do an apt upgrade I see isc-dhcp packages held back...
[00:48] <codez> try apt-get instead
[00:49] <sarnold> I think apt-get also honours the phasing
[01:01] <MinusSeven> I'll have a look
[02:03] <mordant> so I'm troubleshooting some php-fpm issues, having to enable coredumps, following this page's advice: https://ma.ttias.be/generate-php-core-dumps-segfaults-php-fpm/ - what I just realized, when I'm done and I want to undo what I did...is there a reliable way to reset the /proc/sys/kernel/core_pattern file after I've changed it? I was hasty, I didn't save the original string. Some googling yielded '|/usr/share/apport/apport %p %s %c %d %P'
[02:06] <sarnold> mordant: depending upon how you changed it, a reboot would probably bring it back
[02:06] <sarnold> mordant: this is what I've got on my 20.04 system: ± cat /proc/sys/kernel/core_pattern
[02:06] <sarnold> |/usr/share/apport/apport -p%p -s%s -c%c -d%d -P%P -u%u -g%g -- %E
[02:07] <sarnold> heh, I've got that on an 18.04 and 22.04 systems, too; a 16.04 system has: |/usr/share/apport/apport %p %s %c %d %P %E
[02:09] <AlligatorJoe> hello i upgraded to jamin jellyfish and now i get terrible bios errors on bootup and mta device name missing...is this a kernel issue or what
[02:09] <mordant> sarnold, you're a lifesaver, that first one looks right. I saw it briefly then I lost the output. I'm on 20.04. Thank you!
[02:09] <sarnold> mordant: woot!
[02:10] <sarnold> AlligatorJoe: the mtd device name missing is probably unrelated, almost no one has MTD devices
[02:11] <AlligatorJoe> ikn jellyfish right now but i dont like all those boot errors
[02:12] <AlligatorJoe> sarnold..this is jamin jellyfish now but i don't like all those boot errors i now get on the same old partition
[02:13] <AlligatorJoe> is this a kernel update problem with all ths new bios errors
[02:16] <AlligatorJoe> and gnome is a problem as the icon bar keeps coming up and covering this data entry line
[02:24] <guiverc> jamin jellyfish?   Ubuntu 22.04 LTS is jammy jellyfish, are you using Ubuntu?  or something Ubuntu based? (which is off-topic here though, and most of us won't know about it)
[02:24] <guiverc> AlligatorJoe, ^
[02:26] <InPhase> guiverc: jamin jellyfish certainly sounds like a much happier jellyfish than a jammy one.
[02:26] <AlligatorJoe> yes this is ubuntu jamin jellyfish upgraded from bionic beaver to focal fossi and to jamin jellyfish
[02:27] <guiverc> jamin?  Ubuntu has jammy  (the codename of 22.04)
[02:27]  * guiverc thinks of strawberry jam when I think of jammy... 
[02:29] <guiverc> if using a desktop system a lot of messages will be hidden by plymouth screens... If it's kernel messages you'll find them in system logs so you can explore what they actually mean (using web searches, or seeking help like here)
[02:46] <AlligatorJoe> sarnould and guiverc.i got disconnected..but this gnome bar makes data entry on this line tough
[02:47] <AlligatorJoe> i am not sure if the kernel guys are playing games with old hardware and causing all these bios errors
[02:49] <AlligatorJoe> and mta no device name given yet another boot error
[02:50] <AlligatorJoe> for some reason with startx i have a horial onezontal gnome icon bar instead of the usual vetic
[02:51] <Rockwood_> hi
[02:51] <AlligatorJoe> the usual vertical one...i have to dig to see why i have a horizontal bar using startx
[02:51] <Rockwood_> i am facing again space issue in the disk space
[02:51] <Rockwood_> Failed to save 'JobController.php': The content of the file is newer. Please compare your version with the file contents or overwrite the content of the file with your changes.
[02:54] <AlligatorJoe> and the apt sources all list the ubuntu jammy jellyfish so i know the apps are updated and gcc10 was put in also
[03:24] <jhutchins> Rockwood: Not sure how that's related to disk space.  Best bet is probably to save it with a modified name (ad "-1" or something), then use something like the diff command to compare them.
[03:24] <Rockwood> https://paste.mozilla.org/zC2aQM61
[03:24] <Rockwood> yes that was another error
[03:25] <Rockwood> but now i am unable to connect DB and showing disk space error
[03:27] <f10> well i have to do some work on jammy jellyfish gnome to use hexchat so for now i am on gentoo partition
[03:28] <f10> i have to find a way to get gnome to use the vertical icon bar not a horizontal one near bottom of screen
[03:32] <f10> i don't have hexchat on gentoo..only ubuntu..but i can basically use this weechat program on gentoo
[03:33] <f10> with the mate desktop that i like better than gnome but mate doesn't work on ubuntu
[03:34] <f10> at least mate categorizes apps into groups..not one big collecion like gnome apps
[03:37] <f10> i still want to know why the kernel people messed up jammy jellyfish by causing all kinds of bios errors and missing mta device name on bootup
[03:38] <f10> at least with gentoo we can hack the kernel to get around those kinds of problems the kernel gurus put in from time to time
[03:38] <codez> ahh so I wasnt the only one that expierenced that boot issue after upgrading to latest kernel
[03:39] <f10> yes well i keep a 5.3 debian souce kernal for hacking on ubuntu just in case of problems like this
[03:51] <f10> computers are so much fun when you don't have too many headaches at one time
[03:56] <f10> justin kelly are you from the land down under or just using a proxy
[03:59] <f10> i see sk and au site references so ubuntu still has a worldwide audience
[04:03] <f10> i misquoted jammy jellyfish with jamin jellyfish because i use it to jam on a lot of music
[04:03] <f10> there are some nice abba videos and many other great musicians
[04:04] <f10> now i see a de site reference so ubuntu does indeed still have a worldwide audience
[04:12] <f10> i never got tired of computers they have been so much fun over the last 50 years
[04:13] <f10> as long as there are not too many headaches at one time
[04:15] <f10> and there have been memoriable movies with computer graphics...memorable video games and music also
[04:18] <f10> and good music, videos games and movies with stories never grow old...look at troy how it has echoed for 1999s of years and still never grows old
[04:21] <f10> people still talk about achilles after 1000s of years
[04:39] <f10> well i am going to try to boot back into ubuntu on the debian 5.3 source kernel and see if the boot problems are gone
[04:47] <CrocodileDundee> ok now on the debian 5.3 source kernel build for jammy jellyfish and no mta or bios messes
[04:48] <CrocodileDundee> so one problem solved but this gnome stuff needs some serious work forchat data line hex
[04:58] <CrocodileDundee> let me try weechat on jammu jellyfish if it is better here
[05:10] <kkkssf> Hi
[05:11] <kkkssf> I have 2 held back packages when i do "apt-get dist-upgrade" isc-dhcp-client and isc-dhcp-common. How can i fix that?
[05:13] <CrocodileDundee> well let see how this vertical gnome icon bar works with hexchat here
[05:14] <CrocodileDundee> i am not sure what is going on here with jammy jellyfish...if i use startx i get a horizontal icon bar...and if i use sudo systemctl start gdm3 i get a vertical icon bar for gnome
[05:15] <CrocodileDundee> one or two problems solved a day is good enough for me
[05:16] <CrocodileDundee> ok so far so good on hexchat on ubuntu with the 5.3 debian source kernel code.
[05:16] <murmel> CrocodileDundee: what monstrum do you have? 5.3 on jammy oO
[05:17] <CrocodileDundee> well jammy had 5.4.0-124 but it reported all kinds of mta device name missing and bios errors on this old hardware....so i built the 5.3 debian kernel from source for jammy
[05:18] <__int1> /who a_west_
[05:19] <murmel> CrocodileDundee: jammy is on 5.15 oO
[05:20] <CrocodileDundee> not with the latest update of last nite
[05:20] <murmel> CrocodileDundee: jammy shipped 5.15 since ever 5.4 is a kernel which was released in 2019
[05:20] <CrocodileDundee> it was 5.4 -124
[05:21] <murmel> see above
[05:21] <CrocodileDundee> well this old hardware doesn't like the new kernel on jammy
[05:21] <murmel> 5.4 is the kernel from focal
[05:21] <murmel> or at least it *could* be the kernel from focal
[05:22] <CrocodileDundee> yes i did a focal upgrade two days ago
[05:22] <murmel> seems like to me that you did a half upgrade.
[05:22] <murmel> CrocodileDundee: and what does your system not like about 5.15?
[05:22] <kkkssf> how can i fix held back packages with "apt-get dist-upgrade"?
[05:22] <murmel> kkkssf: these are phased updates. upgrade them by saying upgrade <package> or wait
[05:22] <CrocodileDundee> no i did a focal upgrade from bionic beaver and then the last nite i did a jammy upgrade
[05:23] <murmel> CrocodileDundee: honestly, sounds like something went wrong with the upgrades :/ but no idea without logs. or what goes wrong with newer software
[05:23] <CrocodileDundee> no the upgrade was complete all 4000 files plus the elimination of gcc 7 and 8 and now put in gcc10
[05:24] <enigma9o7[m]> kkkssf: sometimes they're transitionalpackages,if you read their description it says you can just remove em
[05:24] <oerheks> kkkssf,  just wait > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PhasedUpdates
[05:24] <oerheks> Push out stable release updates to expanding subsets of the userbase so that serious regressions can be detected before updates are pushed to everyone
[05:25] <CrocodileDundee> well the problem now is why using gdm3 i get a vertical icon bar for gnome but not with startx for gnome-desktop
[05:26] <kkkssf> brb
[05:27] <CrocodileDundee> let me check my boot folder and see what version jammy defaults to
[05:28] <murmel> CrocodileDundee: gdm uses wayland, so maybe that's why
[05:28] <oerheks> CrocodileDundee, that makes no sense; jammy uses gcc 11. but you types more weird statements like debian kernel 5.3
[05:29] <kkkssf> i'm back
[05:29] <luna__> ok
[05:29] <CrocodileDundee> yes you are right jammy defaults to casper 5.15 which has all kinds of problems for this hardware
[05:30] <CrocodileDundee> let me check gcc-v
[05:31] <murmel> CrocodileDundee: I really think something went wrong with one of the upgrades. and that's probably the reason why you see all these problems
[05:31] <CrocodileDundee> yes you are right gcc 11.2
[05:32] <CrocodileDundee> murmel well it is possible but the upgrades did not pose any problem running through to completion
[05:33] <CrocodileDundee> yes i think gdm3 does use wayland by default...startx uses xinit which is not wayland
[05:34] <CrocodileDundee> and it finished 4000 files including supertuxkart
[05:38] <kkkssf> There was an "operatingsystem" update entry in Software for these 2 packages and a "restart and install" button. Then it installed the packages while booting up. Is that new?
[05:41] <CrocodileDundee> well at least most of the apps work but it will take years to check out all 60000 of them
[05:41] <murmel> kkkssf: gnome-software does this already for a while, makes upgrading stuff more secure (as in less stuff breaks)
[05:43] <CrocodileDundee> gnome doesnt do a good job of grouping related apps for simpller searches...just on big mess of 4000 applications so far
[05:45] <CrocodileDundee> it would be nice to get a zoom type app for ubuntu or gentoo...to compete with zoom for windows
[05:48] <oerheks> there is a zoom snap, Proprietary stuff https://snapcraft.io/zoom-client
[05:49] <CrocodileDundee> oerheks..well propietary is understandable for a project with that much communication importance...is it affordable through the snap store at ubuntu
[05:50] <oerheks> yeah right
[05:59] <CrocodileDundee> oerheks i am of the opinion that not everything can be free...it is desirable from a consumption point of view..but resources help guide production to meet the demands of consumers
[06:00] <oerheks> so, you did not read that url?
[06:00] <CrocodileDundee> i did i will try to check it out
[06:00] <CrocodileDundee> right now
[06:00] <oerheks> have fun!
[06:01] <oerheks> it is indeed not free, and they give support
[06:02] <CrocodileDundee> oeheks well i like the accomplishments of the free software community but i also know that tangible cars can cost money if they help someone to go to work to make a living
[06:03] <oerheks> keep the channel free for technical support, your random sentences make no sense
[06:03] <CrocodileDundee> ok
[06:22] <CrocodileDundee> oerheks..both the chrome browser and the firefox browser from the snap store wont' work..it says cannot attach cgroup
[06:23] <CrocodileDundee> it says cannot attach cgroup program: operation not permitted
[06:23] <CrocodileDundee> for either browser and also the zoom client
[06:28] <murmel> CrocodileDundee: I wonder at what point you realize that your system is more than just broken
[06:29] <CrocodileDundee> murmel no kidding...it might be a kernel related issue..i am not sure
[06:29] <CrocodileDundee> let me reboot in 5.15 and see
[06:39] <CrocodileDundee> oerheks..yes it is as i suspected...the operation required a more recent 5.10 or so kernel
[06:40] <CrocodileDundee> now both browsers work...on this flaky kernel
[06:40] <CrocodileDundee> but pulseaudio doesn't work and zoom does not default to alsa instead of pulse
[06:45] <CrocodileDundee> well enough problems for one day...at least the browsers kind of work...if i stay with the latest kernel which does not like my old hardware
[06:47] <murmel> CrocodileDundee: whatever that means
[06:47] <CrocodileDundee> murmel it means i have to live watching the bios errors and the mta device name missing everytime i boot into ubuntu
[06:48] <CrocodileDundee> or else forget the snap store browsers
[06:50] <murmel> is it that bad to "see" bugs during boot? I also have some, but as it doesn't affect my usage of ubuntu, idc
[06:50] <murmel> I even filed a bug with fix, but for now it's ignored
[06:51] <CrocodileDundee> murmel well i would rather see the old dmesg with ok ok ok ok ok....for all the checks
[06:52] <CrocodileDundee> murmel but well beggars can't be choosers
[06:52] <murmel> idk, i rather have a stable system than ok ok ok ok ;)
[06:53] <CrocodileDundee> murmel well i have to work with old hand me down hardware ...so stable might not be in my budget
[06:54] <murmel> CrocodileDundee: most older hardware works better with linux than newer
[06:54] <CrocodileDundee> murmel...historically that is correct and one of llnux greatest benefits
[07:14] <elias_a> 22.04.1 LTS does not seem to have gtk-recordmydesktop available. Is there another GUI available for recordmydesktop?
[07:23] <elias_a> Oh - it is not supported anymore. Have to try vokoscreen instead. https://askubuntu.com/questions/1236345/20-04-cant-install-gtk-recordmydesktop#1236352
[07:59] <oakyy> Looking for a way to turn off the screen in Ubuntu 22.04. I used the "xset dpms force off" in 20.04 but it doesn't work anymore, I assume it's because Wayland is used instead of X. Anybody have any tips on how to accomplish this? Found a post on askubuntu but no good reply yet there. (https://askubuntu.com/questions/1408453/turn-off-display-in-ubuntu-on-wayland)
[08:13] <ogra> oakyy, there is probably a way to talk to gnome-shell via dbus to activate the screensaver ... i'd google for that ...
[08:13] <oakyy> ogra: alright will do
[08:41] <cosmicrajiv> yesterday i downloaded firefox by using ppa provided here https://launchpad.net/~mozillateam/+archive/ubuntu/ppa. It was successfully installed but now when i wanted to remove it using "apt remove", it says there is no package named firefox.
[08:42] <cosmicrajiv> what is going on?
[08:44] <ogra> combinare, ask the PPA owners, we do not support PPA packages here
[08:47] <ogra> combinare, err, sorry, that was not for you ...
[08:47] <ogra> cosmicrajiv, ask the PPA owners, we do not support PPA packages here
[08:52] <CrocodileDundee> does anyone have zoom working that can tell me how to get a meeting id or enter a personal link name
[08:52] <CrocodileDundee> i am curious to see if any audio works at all
[08:52] <luna__> when you start the app join meeting and enter the ID
[08:53] <luna__> personal link, put it in the browser
[08:53] <CrocodileDundee> luna..where do you get the id
[08:53] <ogra> or start a meeting yourself ...
[08:53] <ogra> then you can run the selftests for adio and video from the settings
[08:53] <ogra> *audio
[08:53] <luna__> CrocodileDundee: from the person that hosts the meeting
[08:53] <CrocodileDundee> i don't see any self tests like skype has
[08:54] <ogra> in the settings you have them
[08:54] <CrocodileDundee> who has authority to host a meeting
[08:54] <ogra> (there is a level meter for mic and a test button for playback)
[08:55] <ogra> anyone
[08:55] <ogra> just click "start meeting"
[08:56] <CrocodileDundee> ogra there is no settings button..only a place to enter an id and a join button at the bottom
[08:56] <luna__> you need to login to be able to host meetings
[08:56] <luna__> and for bigger meetings you have to pay
[08:56] <CrocodileDundee> luna how do you log in
[08:56] <luna__> and some kind of time limit, don't remind the exact details
[08:56] <ogra> right, you need to input your account credentials
[08:57] <CrocodileDundee> ogra where do you get an account
[08:57] <ogra> the time limit for free meetings is something like 40 or 45min
[08:57] <ogra> on their website
[08:57] <luna__> CrocodileDundee: on the http://zoom.us website
[08:57] <CrocodileDundee> ogra ok..it is the old sound blaster philosophy
[08:58] <CrocodileDundee> ogra originally when sound blaster started you could do small time for free but for longet recordings you had to pay money..it is what made windows famous....because they offered unlimited time sound recordings for just the price of windows and cut into sound blasters market
[09:09] <CrocodileDundee> the sound blaster philosophy is an old philosophy but it backfired on them when it gave windows the chance for stardom
[09:14] <CrocodileDundee> if i remember..you could record voice for 25 seconds for free but after that you had to pay nearly $50 for a longer recording time..and windows jumped at the opportunity to offer unlimited sound recording for $99 which worked with cheaper sound cards than the sound blaster...
[09:14] <CrocodileDundee> and bill gates hit the voice for global communications at the right time and made billions
[09:17] <CrocodileDundee> and global voice communications still makes billions even today
[09:19] <CrocodileDundee> of course it is android making a lot of the money now instead of microsoft windows
[09:26] <elias_a> Please take offtopic somewhere else.
[09:26] <elias_a> This is a global Ubuntu support channel after all.
[09:27] <CrocodileDundee> elias ok well this is about ubuntu snap program zoom
[09:28] <CrocodileDundee> for voice communications globally
[09:28] <elias_a> CrocodileDundee: Zoom is proprietary spyware crap. Please taje the discussion elsewhere.
[09:29] <lotuspsychje> elias_a: please dont blame ubuntu supported snaps in the main channel like that
[09:29] <CrocodileDundee> elias ok sorry to offend you with spyware crap....it was not my intention to force spyware on anyone
[09:30] <elias_a> If you have to find an open source alternative for Zoom, check out Jitsi.
[09:31] <elias_a> lotuspsychje: Both of the statements are true. Zoom is not GDPR compliant and it is of low quality technically. not worth discussing at all.
[09:33] <lotuspsychje> elias_a: ubuntu software is now offering zoom client, so we dont need to advice against them
[09:33] <elias_a> lotuspsychje: Yes, we in fact do.
[09:34] <elias_a> lotuspsychje: As in other cases where a piece of software is questionable for some reason.
[09:35] <lotuspsychje> elias_a: personal opinions should not be throwed upon users, zoom-client is available & supported
[09:37] <elias_a> lotuspsychje: It is an objective fact that Zoom is not GDPR compliant and thus should be avoided by EU nationals.
[09:38] <CrocodileDundee> i am an opponent of spyware...i dont even like the way google and other web sites track people and try to make money off of invading their privacy
[09:38] <lotuspsychje> !ot | CrocodileDundee
[09:39] <lotuspsychje> elias_a: lets continue this in #ubuntu-discuss please
[09:39] <CrocodileDundee> but in the interest of the multi billion dollar global voice options to irc ...i am just investigating options
[09:39] <elias_a> lotuspsychje: Nope. Let us just stop talking about it.
[09:40] <CrocodileDundee> its ok...i can live with just typing instead of talking but the latter is easier
[11:52] <hiya> What is the best Windows 11 virtualization software that is available?
[11:53] <hiya> I am on 11th Gen Intel® Core™ i5-1135G7 with 16GB RAM
[11:53] <hiya> I can give 8GB to Windows 11
[11:53] <hiya> But I need a good Virtualization software
[11:53] <hiya> Is it Virtualbox?
[11:53] <ravage> hiya, you can use virt-manager on Ubuntu
[11:53] <luna__> Hyper-V or Virtualbox
[11:53] <hiya> Anything paid like Parallels?
[11:53] <hiya> I just saw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9SCt-jqsg4
[11:54] <luna__> VMWare
[11:54] <hiya> Windows 11 running on macOs is so smooth
[11:54] <hiya> why not on GNU/Linux?
[11:54] <hiya> We are better than macOS
[11:54] <ravage> you dont need any paid software to install a Windows VM
[11:54] <hiya> so virtualbox is enough?
[11:55] <ravage> virtualbox will work too yes
[11:55] <ravage> but virt-manager does not need any extra kernel modules
[11:55] <ravage> and works too
[11:55] <luna__> i use Virtualbox out of habbit
[11:56] <hiya> Oracle also has virtio drivers for extra performance in their edelivery cloud or something
[11:56] <hiya> do I also need it?
[11:56] <ravage> i done use virtualbox. no idea
[11:57] <ravage> done.. and dont
[11:57] <hiya> luna__: is VMware experience better than Virtualbox? Is the subscription expensive?
[11:58] <luna__> not sure i always use Virtualbox so have not looked into what VMware licensing cost or tried it on GNU/Linux
[11:58] <luna__> ran it on Windows years ago
[11:58] <ravage> hiya, if you seek opinions about software please use #ubuntu-discuss
[11:59] <hiya> ok
[12:35] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[12:36] <wez> .o/
[12:37] <luna__> hi
[12:37] <BluesKaj> \o
[13:23] <bitbinge> Can I disable thumbnailing just for one directory?
[13:37] <Guest33> Forgive me for my question I don't know , I am on 20.04.4 but for some reason my Kernel is 5.4 still , is it normal or because I did something wrong?
[13:37] <tarzeau> perfectly normal. upgrade to 22.04 for a later one
[13:38] <arraybolt3> Guest33: You could also install the HWE kernel.
[13:38] <tarzeau> that's possible too, but i'd highly recommend going for the latest lts
[13:44] <Guest33> I will wait till it reaches 20.04.5 and upgrade later , I already made a backup and stuff , but I always get afraid of upgrades
[13:45] <Guest33> Thanks for the assistance
[14:52] <jadenlian> im trying to have create a simple script to be a service just to learn how to  and on the file < filename.servie>  i have  [Service] ExecStart=/path-to-script   and the script is executable  but its still saying active: inactive(dead)  and no green light :)
[15:29] <FeralTerminator> Just a quick question. Does ubuntu support HiDPi monitors of different resolutions at the same time?
[15:30] <FeralTerminator> Or is the scaling still borked
[15:35] <ravage> gnome supports Fractional scaling
[15:36] <FeralTerminator> Fractional yes but not 2 separate scaling per monitor.
[15:36] <FeralTerminator> I cant seem to set say 100% on one monitor and 150% on the second monitor
[15:37] <FeralTerminator> It's the only reason why I am stuck using windows on my work pc
[15:42] <Bardon_> Hello, I have a server running ubuntu. I upgraded remotely to 22.04.1 but it cut in the middle of the upgrade. I rebooted the server under an older kernel (with grub menu). I ran sudo dpkg --configure -a, then rebooted back to the newest kernel. Things seems to work but I can't access internet even though ip a says eno1 is UP
[15:42] <Bardon_> Could you help me getting access to the network?
[15:42] <Bardon_> ping 1.1.1.1 doesn't work
[15:43] <Bardon_> it seems line eno1 didn't even get an ip adress
[15:43] <ravage> FeralTerminator, try a 22.04 desktop live ISO. it may work on a wayland session nowadays
[15:43] <FeralTerminator> Alright, I'll give it a shot
[15:44] <hao> hi, can someone recommend some wireframe/mockup free tool? I typically use balsamiq in Windows, is there an similiar tool on linux?
[15:45] <ravage> Bardon_, if it is an Ubuntu Server install it should use netplan. see if your netplan config exists and then do "sudo netplan apply"
[15:45] <EriC^^> hao: https://alternativeto.net/software/balsamiq-mockups/?platform=linux no experience personally but maybe someone will chime in
[15:46] <Bardon_> ravage: Ok, I'll wait for it to reboot then I'll try that
[15:46] <ravage> hao, of if you just want to keep using your old tool :https://balsamiq.com/wireframes/desktop/docs/linux/
[15:46] <ravage> *or
[15:47] <Alys_> Hola
[15:47] <Alys_> If I have packages saying they'll be held back, how do I see what is holding them back?
[15:48] <EriC^^> Alys_: try 'apt-cache policy <package>' it might be a 'phasing'
[15:48] <hao> ravage: I'm reluctanted to use wine.... it's too large and slow, and I too many troubles to run something correctly
[15:48] <Bardon_> ravage: there is /etc/netplan/00-installer-config.yaml. Is is the only file in its directory
[15:49] <Bardon_> networkctl says eno1 ether degraded configuring
[15:49] <ravage> Bardon_, and what is inside?
[15:50] <ravage> and do you have a static IP setup or is there a dhcp server on your network?
[15:50] <Bardon_> Sorry I can't copy paste (I can only access the OS through the DRAC, which is Dell's BMC). It says "This is the network config written by 'subiquity'" then a bunch of lines, including "eno1 dhcp4: true"
[15:50] <Alys_> Bardon_: I tried that and it doesn't show me what is holding it back or a "Phasing" either. I also tried
[15:51] <Bardon_> I don't have a static ip setup in the server, but there is a dhcp server on the network and I probably have a static ip assigned there. I don't have access to any hardware except for my server
[15:51] <ravage> Alys_, pastebin the output then
[15:51] <Alys_> I also tried "apt depends" and "apt rdepends" but it doesn't filter it to installed packages that are dependant
[15:52] <ravage> Bardon_, and "netplan apply" does what?
[15:52] <EriC^^> Alys_: if you dont care to actually see what it is, 'sudo apt full-upgrade' might continue the upgrade fully
[15:54] <Bardon_> ravage: it says the unit file, source config file or drop-ins of netplan-ovs-cleanup.service changed on disk. Run systemctl daemon-reload
[15:54] <Bardon_> Which I did
[15:54] <Bardon_> Then I ran sudo netplan apply and got the same message
[15:54] <rfm> Alys_, you can look at https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/phased-updates.html and see if the package being held is on the "phasing" list.
[15:55] <Alys_> ravage: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/JD2N35HqYK/
[15:56] <Bardon_> ravage: I have the "idrac" interface that is working, but it is used by the idrac already. I don't know if it can be used by both the idrac and the os
[15:57] <Alys> Bardon_: no, The DRAC has it's own interfaces seperate from the system
[15:59] <Bardon_> Ok then. I wondered because it appears in the OS
[16:03] <Alys> Yeah. From the OS you can push commands and configure the DRAC, but it can't use the DRACs network interface as it's own
[16:05] <Alys> ravage: don't worry about it. I tested "apt remove" on the 4 packages in question and there was nothing I needed depending on them, so I just cleaned them out
[16:05] <Bardon_> Ok!
[16:08] <Bardon_> How can I be sure that I use netplan? Maybe I'm using ifup
[16:08] <Bardon_> This server was originally installed about a year ago with ubuntu's latest version
[16:15] <Bardon_> I see systemd-networkd saying Re-configuring with /run/systemd/network/10-netplan-eno1.network, which is a file that doesn't exist
[16:22] <bn_work> hi, Ubuntu v16.04.2 LTS (I know it's old, can't upgrade it), getting the following errors (see L9+) when doing `sudo apt update`, how can I address those errors? https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/k7QhlRIJ/sudo%20apt%20update.log
[16:23] <Bardon_> And systemctl --failed dosen't list any unit :(
[16:25] <Bardon_> I guess I could reinstall the whole OS
[16:25] <Bardon_> But uploading the whole iso would be sooo long
[16:26] <Bardon_> ls
[16:26] <Bardon_> (pardon)
[16:27] <oerheks> !eolupgrade
[16:27] <oerheks> bn_work, see the eol upgrade factoid. i would reinstall
[16:37] <bn_work>  oerheks:  thanks, reinstall would take a long time unfortunately
[16:38] <oerheks> oke, then use the old-releases trick in the wiki
[16:38] <sarnold> bn_work: wow that's an unhappy machine. you've got three busted repos configured -- for each one, figure out which key they're using now, and configure apt to use a new version of the key
[16:39] <sarnold> bn_work: maybe you can pull new ones from the the keyservers, but the keyservers have been much less useful these last few years, there's a lot of garbage in them now. it'd be best to go find the installation instructions for each of them, and follow the bits about configuring keys, that'll tell you how to get new ones
[16:39] <FeralTerminator> Oh cool... fractional scaling with different settings per monitor does appear to be working
[16:42] <bn_work> I feel like the way certs are currently designed to automatically expire just create nothing but pain in the entire software ecosystem, I know one may sometimes want them to but still... :|
[16:42] <bn_work> sarnold: thanks
[16:43] <bn_work> oerheks:  will that work since these are using mirrors?
[16:46] <sarnold> bn_work: yeah I know what you mean :/
[16:51] <bn_work> sarnold: just thinking about how this compares to humans, ex:  one trusts their parent, why would one stop trusting them because YY-MM-DDTHHMMSS have passed?  (assuming one hasn't been abused by them in the past :) )
[16:56] <sarnold> bn_work: well, sometimes parents *do* lose their faculties over time.. just like rsa-512 was once considered pretty good.. :)
[16:56] <jelly> can I provide static ip network config via kernel boot parameters in 22.04 server iso?
[16:56] <drnachos> trying to change my nickname
[17:01] <oerheks> bn_work, no worries.
[17:04] <summonner> jelly, there's a specific channel for ubuntu server, they might know best.
[17:06] <jhutchins> jelly: What's your goal?  Why not just a conventional static config?
[17:08] <jhutchins> summonner: The networking stack is the same, server is just the same core without the desktop (and with serverish packages).
[17:08] <oerheks> jhutchins, i have no clue either
[17:13] <sarnold> jelly: maybe https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/v5.19/admin-guide/nfs/nfsroot.html  ?
[17:23] <HeavenlyDemoN8> asd'
[17:25] <Guest9046> i have a remote ubuntu server vm i created. I want to be able to ssh into it and use a code editor, like visual studio code.  I successfully ssh, but when i run the command "code" nothing happens
[17:50] <bn_work> oerheks: can I not just run `sudo update-manager -d` per https://askubuntu.com/a/97867 ?
[17:54] <bn_work> sarnold: I would argue that's a defect in the way encryption algorithms are designed, ie:  they need to be designed to fundamentally scale up as more powerful hardware becomes available and cheaper- maybe something like what https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bcrypt does
[17:54] <bn_work> but good analogy though :)
[17:55] <sarnold> bn_work: the trouble is, if you use rsa-512 for handshakes today it'll be easy to break tomorrow..
[18:07] <cbreak> didn't they already break rsa768?
[18:08] <cbreak> ah, yes, 12 years ago: https://www.zdnet.com/home-and-office/networking/no-one-dies-as-researchers-crack-768-bit-rsa-encryption/
[18:08] <sarnold> :D
[18:09] <bn_work> oerheks: when I try to do https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades#Dependencies , aptitude is not available?
[18:09] <bn_work> `sudo: aptitude: command not found`
[18:10] <luna__> sudo apt install aptitude
[18:10] <bn_work> luna__: already tried that, get `E: Package 'aptitude' has no installation candidate`
[18:10] <luna__> ouch
[18:10] <bn_work> > `Package aptitude is not available, but is referred to by another package. This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or is only available from another source`
[18:11] <genii> !info aptitude
[18:11] <genii> Enable universe
[18:12] <bn_work> genii: can you elaborate?
[18:13] <bn_work> (is that a specific source.list.d file that I will need to add?  sorry, been a while since I had to do an upgrade)
[18:13] <bn_work> !info universe
[18:14] <murmel> bn_work: sudo add-apt-repository universe
[18:14] <luna__> its a repo
[18:14] <Unit193> Well, repo component, not a different repo.
[18:15] <bn_work> ok, but it became considered to replace apt after 6.06?  if so, why isn't it enabled/installed by default on this 16.04 machine?
[18:15] <bn_work> s/replace/"replace" (enhance)/
[18:16] <bn_work> murmel: thanks
[18:16] <sarnold> bn_work: no, apt is still the default; it's just that aptitude has a few more features that are sometimes useful
[18:16] <bn_work> murmel / genii: hmm, still get the `E: Package 'aptitude' has no installation candidate` error when I try to install aptitude :(
[18:17] <murmel> bn_work: did you apt update
[18:17] <bn_work> sarnold: yeah, I remember that much, it did simplify the confusing complexity that is apt
[18:18] <bn_work> murmel:  lol, that was the first thing I did that got me started on this path, see https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/k7QhlRIJ/sudo%20apt%20update.log or do I need to do it again now that I've completed https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades#Update_sources.list ?  (that page didn't say I had to?)
[18:23] <bn_work> murmel:  ok, ran it again and got more errors :/ https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/J8aiv3xS/sudo%20apt%20update%20take2.log
[18:23] <sarnold> bn_work: hah I don't remember the 502 bad gateway and server certificate validation failures ..
[18:25] <bn_work> on Ubuntu, where does one put specific CA certs?
[18:25] <alkisg> bn_work: sudo wget https://termbin.com/xh05 -O /etc/apt/sources.list
[18:25] <alkisg> This will give you an appropriate sources.list
[18:26] <bn_work> is it not in /etc/pki/... ?
[18:26] <bn_work> .../anchors or so?
[18:27] <bn_work> alkisg: what server is that?  (FYI, it seems the cert is expired on that)
[18:28] <alkisg> bn_work: you need to update to get the newer certificates
[18:28] <alkisg> It's not the server, it's you
[18:29] <EriC^^> sudo breakup --let-down-easily
[18:29] <bn_work> alkisg:  https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/wXSEK4wh/wget%20--no-check-certificate%20https%3A%2F%2Ftermbin.com%2Fxh05%20-O%20sources.list
[18:33] <bn_work> alkisg: I know newer Ubuntu versions will have updated *CA* cert list files but I'm in a catch22 and can't update so I need to manually install them I assume
[18:35] <tomreyn> bn_work: you can place them in /usr/share/ca-certificates/ and run update-ca-certificates
[18:35] <bn_work> unless there's a way to somehow get the newer ca-certificates package directly?
[18:36] <tomreyn> bn_work: actually /usr/local/share/ca-certificates would be better
[18:36] <bn_work> tomreyn: thanks
[18:36] <tomreyn> certificates ship as part of package ca-certificates
[18:37] <bn_work> also, what's up with `http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu xenial Release` `404  Not Found [IP: 2620:2d:4000:1::1a 80]` ?  that's a canonical IP
[18:37] <tomreyn> you could go with bionic's https://packages.ubuntu.com/bionic-updates/ca-certificates
[18:38] <tomreyn> xenial hasn't been moved to old-releases, yet: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/
[18:40] <tomreyn> (so you should undo the sources.list change to "old-releases.ubuntu.com")
[18:46] <bn_work> tomreyn: so ignore https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades#Update_sources.list ?
[18:48] <tomreyn> bn_work: in this case, yes
[18:48] <bn_work> (I'm just trying to figure out how much of this guide I should be following, it seems like many steps are missing?)
[18:49] <tomreyn> bn_work: you mean the steps about getting rid of all the unsuppported third party repositories and packages you have installed? that's not part of this guide,. ;-)
[18:52] <bn_work> tomreyn: no, I mean like the aptitude stuff, I'm not blaming Ubuntu for those Apache Cassandra repo errors :)  (the latter is just a result of cert/key expiration, ie:  "by design" unfortunately)
[18:53] <alkisg> bn_work: sorry I was afk, did you use the apt sources.list I gave you to solve all the update and certificate issues?
[18:53] <alkisg> It's from my own xenial which works fine
[19:06] <ashuwu> :o
[19:06] <ashuwu> hi
[19:07] <arraybolt3[m]> ashuwu: 👋
[19:09] <luna__> hi
[19:15] <bn_work> alkisg: thanks for clarifying, mine already looks identical to your except it has our VSP's mirror + tomreyn's bionic-udpates to get the updated ca-certificates package.
[19:17] <tomreyn> bn_work: don't keep the bios source in apt though, right. that'd be just for getting the newer ca-certificates package /ca-bundle.
[19:30] <tomreyn> s/bios/bionic/, sorry :)
[19:33] <bn_work> tomreyn: yes
[19:35] <bn_work> murmel: is there an opposite of `add-apt-repository`?  (looking in man page for it but not seeing anything...)
[19:35] <genii> bn_work: use -r with it to remove one
[19:35] <bn_work> ah, missed that, thanks!
[19:36] <bn_work> (seems kinda a weird flag but ok :) )
[19:37] <alkisg> bn_work: well in your earlier pastebin you didn't have any of these entries, but OK, if it works for you np
[19:38] <bn_work> alkisg: yeah, the first pastebin was before oerheks directed me to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades
[19:48] <AlligatorJoe> well the zoom app for ubuntu shows some video but crashes when it tries to connect to the meeting room...the windows version had to be updated but it works...very strange
[19:49] <AlligatorJoe> looks like voice communication globally is still a nogo on ubuntu
[19:50] <AlligatorJoe> but irc still works fine for people who don't mind typing
[19:55] <genii> Zoom hasn't updated their linux client since 2016
[19:55] <AlligatorJoe> well that could be it because the windows versions had to be updated today to work
[19:57] <tomreyn> genii: https://support.zoom.us/hc/en-us/articles/205759689
[19:57] <AlligatorJoe> but i saw a discussion about spyware on slashdot today and more people are concerned about improper invasion of people's privacy for monetary gains...so i don't know if i will recommend zoom anyway...if it indeed is spyware.
[19:58] <tomreyn> this is not really the best place to discuss such. there are some privacy related channels and -offtopic
[19:58] <AlligatorJoe> i have been opposed to spyware for decades...by unscrupulous programmer's seeking unfair monetary gain at the expense of their spyware victimes
[19:59] <arraybolt3> AlligatorJoe: If you're not absolutely bound to Zoom, you might give Element a shot. https://element.io/
[19:59] <AlligatorJoe> arraybolt3 i tried to deal with element and jitsi a few years ago but i never got anything working
[20:00] <genii> tomreyn: Interesting. The version which their support suggested to us to install previously was 5.4.2 (53391.1108)
[20:00] <bn_work> tomreyn: so per https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_version_history#Table_of_versions on 2026-04-23 xenial will move into old-releases.ubuntu.com?
[20:00] <AlligatorJoe> and skype works for global voice but it is propietary which i don't mind but noone seems to know how to find me
[20:02] <tomreyn> bn_work: probably around that time.
[20:02] <tomreyn> but i'm guessing
[20:08] <bn_work> tomreyn: I guess I'm confused, if there is "extended security maintenance" till then, why did `apt update` not pull in the availability of the newer ca-certificates package?  ie:  why did I need to grab it from Bionic (18.04 LTS)?  or it's not considered part of "extended security maintenance"?
[20:11] <tomreyn> !esm | bn_work
[20:11] <arraybolt3> bn_work: Extended Security Maintenance is a paid offering from Canonical (though it's free for up to three machines for personal use). You have to specifically turn it on to make it work, which involves an Ubuntu Advantage subscription.
[20:11] <oerheks> because it is only available via UAnfra or UAdesktop
[20:11] <oerheks> https://ubuntu.com/security/notices/USN-5089-2
[20:11] <arraybolt3> (tomreyn beat me to it juuuust barely...)
[20:12] <tomreyn> very barely
[20:12] <oerheks> your sources list does not have any of those, just an ordinairy xenial EOL.
[20:12] <oerheks> in these 4 hrs you could have easily done a fresh install :-D
[20:14] <bn_work> ah, thanks, just stumbled upon the esm page as well https://ubuntu.com/advantage via https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases#Extended_Security_Maintenance
[20:19] <bn_work> woah, why does just upgrading cassandra (a Java-based NoSQL DB tool) require updating all this? :   https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/pMBgJQSd/sudo%20apt%20upgrade%20cassandra.log
[20:20] <arraybolt3> bn_work: Because your system is sorely out of date.
[20:20] <bn_work> arraybolt3: but what does any of those components have to do with Cassandra?
[20:20] <bn_work> apt?
[20:21] <arraybolt3> Probably Cassandra depends on something that's out of date, which depends on things that are out of date, which depend on things that are out of date, etc., etc.
[20:21] <oerheks> ask the maintainer of that repo? you do not havr a certificate ,  sign the repo is EOL, dead
[20:21] <arraybolt3> Sometimes one thing somewhere in the dependency tree will depend on a ton of stuff related to that dependency but unrelated to the thing you're actually updating.
[20:22] <arraybolt3> (And also using a system that's that out of date is a Bad Idea.)
[20:22] <darsie> hey, can you move windows partially out of the screen with the title bar or holding alt with the default Ubuntu window manager?
[20:22] <darsie> and then make them wider than one screen width?
[20:23] <oerheks> darsie, yes
[20:23] <arraybolt3> darsie: I believe so, want a screenshot?
[20:23] <darsie> thx
[20:23] <bn_work> arraybolt3: yeah, that's what I'm wondering... this is what it seems to depend on `Depends: openjdk-8-jre-headless | java8-runtime, adduser, python (>= 2.7) | python2 (>= 2.7), procps`
[20:23] <darsie> no, I believe you.
[20:23] <arraybolt3> I just wanted to make sure that what I thought you were saying is what you were saying.
[20:23] <oerheks> alt F7
[20:24] <darsie> It helps in a game we're playing and I suggested Ubuntu to other players.
[20:24]  * arraybolt3[m] uploaded an image: (663KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/jrLFimJUlMBzdefAgKzWKanX/image.png >
[20:24] <bn_work> arraybolt3: Is it adduser or procps?  I don't see anything there that specifies it must be `>=` for something uber-new?
[20:24] <arraybolt3> bn_work: No clue. But... why are you updating only one thing? Why not update the whole system so that you don't have gaping security holes all over the place?
[20:25] <darsie> arraybolt3: great. thanks!
[20:25] <bn_work> arraybolt3: no time now, this is a temp server that will be torn down in a few weeks anyway
[20:26] <bn_work> arraybolt3: is there no way to update just what it needs and not pull in the whole snowball of unrelated dependencies?
[20:26] <arraybolt3> bn_work: Well, you have three options. You can update the whole server. You can update just Cassandra and all of the oodles of stuff it wants. Or you can try to manually download stuff and dpkg -i it into the system, causing a broken package manager because of unmet dependencies. I don't know of any other options.
[20:27] <oerheks> there is valid way.
[20:27] <bn_work> arraybolt3: how do I figure out what component is making it want to update(*.*)? lol
[20:27] <oerheks> hahaha
[20:28] <arraybolt3> bn_work: Well, let me ask you this - what is the possible fallout if all of those dependencies are installed?
[20:29] <arraybolt3> I mean, even figuring out the component that's causing the snowball won't help much, because that component can't update unless all of the things it depends on are updated (unless you want to break the package manager). That's how Debian and Ubuntu work.
[20:30] <AlligatorJoe> dependency hell is exactly why debian and ubuntu freeze dependencies for a reasonable time period
[20:30] <arraybolt3> I think you really need to re-evaluate what you're trying to accomplish. Something about the way you're doing this is almost certainly wrong, and if you try to shortcut the situation you have now, it will just get worse (maybe a lot worse).
[20:30] <AlligatorJoe> and work with a fixed set of dependencies for a reasonbale time
[20:31] <AlligatorJoe> the only other option is the time consuming gentoo where you recompile the dependencies as they change and then recompile the program needing the dependency...but it is very time consuming
[20:33] <bn_work> arraybolt3: I honestly don't know what the fallout would be, but I do know "update(*.*, now)" isn't a good time for it if things blow up during upgrade :)
[20:33] <AlligatorJoe> debian and ubuntu have been doing a good job for quite some time with reasonable frozen dependencies
[20:34] <bn_work> AlligatorJoe: is that done at runtime?
[20:34] <arraybolt3> bn_work: Oh my gosh, I think I see the problem, and you might have a safe shortcut.
[20:34] <arraybolt3> bn_work: Don't do "sudo apt upgrade cassandra". Do "sudo apt install cassandra".
[20:35] <bn_work> AlligatorJoe:  that term brings back painful memories :)  how does this "freezing of dependencies" work?
[20:35] <arraybolt3> sudo apt upgrade is the update(*.*, now) command. sudo apt install will also work as an updater for just one package and whatever it depends on.
[20:35] <arraybolt3> (So sudo apt install might not cause the "update EVERYTHING" situation.)
[20:37] <AlligatorJoe> bn_work..you agree to freeze a set of libraries and dependencies for specific versions and then ask the programmers to try to write the program to use the frozen dependencies..which works usually quite well for 3 to 5 year freezes.
[20:40] <bn_work> arraybolt3: yes, you're right!  thanks!
[20:41] <arraybolt3> bn_work: \o/
[20:41] <bn_work> (I think I'm starting to remember now why I hated apt, lol)
[20:42] <imi> apt-get upgrade says: The following packages have been kept back: gnome-control-center gnome-control-center-data gnome-control-center-faces isc-dhcp-client isc-dhcp-common -- what does it mean?
[20:43] <ravage> imi, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PhasedUpdates
[20:43] <ravage> if you want to upgrade now use "apt upgrade gnome-control-center gnome-control-center-data gnome-control-center-faces isc-dhcp-client isc-dhcp-common"
[20:44] <ravage> (with sudo)
[20:48] <imi> ok so these are packages that will be upgraded later eventually if they are found free of regression bugs
[20:49] <oerheks> yes.
[20:49] <imi> without my intervention
[20:52] <imi> https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/phased-updates.html -- why arent my packeges displayed here? e.g. gnome-control-center ?
[20:52] <ravage> they will not be installed without your intervention. but they will be available to upgrade
[20:52] <imi> ravage: will hey be installed later (2 more days at top) without my (active) intervention?
[20:53] <ravage> ubuntu does not install updates by itself usually. an exception is by using unattended-upgrades
[20:54] <cbreak> you can make security updates get installed automatically I think
[20:56] <imi> what is my machine id?
[20:56] <ravage> cat /etc/machine-id
[20:57] <imi> will the (gui called) update-manager offer it as upgradable (with the checkboxes checked) eventually?
[20:58] <ravage> yes
[20:58] <ravage> all you have to do here is wait really
[20:58] <imi> when my machine gets its machine id? how often does it change?
[20:58] <genii> imi: apt-get upgrade will also not bump application versions to the next major revision, for that use apt-get dist-upgrade instead
[20:59] <InPhase> Is that machine-id actually used for anything?
[21:00] <imi> "A computer is in the testing set if Phased-Update-Percentage ✕ 2128 ≥ md5(machine id + package name + package version). " as per https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PhasedUpdates
[21:00] <InPhase> The docs only say how it's set and that it should stay "confidential", but don't indicate any real usage of it.
[21:00] <ravage> it is used for the phased updates for example
[21:00] <imi> InPhase: how it is set?
[21:00] <ravage> https://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/xenial/en/man1/systemd-machine-id-setup.1.html
[21:00] <InPhase> imi: Type "man machine-id"
[21:01] <InPhase> ravage: Makes sense.  Thanks.
[21:05] <imi> why is this confidential?
[21:06] <ravage> i have no idea. maybe it can be used as a base for some hashes used externally
[21:06] <ravage> so with it it may be easier to identify you
[21:06] <ravage> but that just me guessing
[21:06] <InPhase> It's pretty lightly confidential given that it's readable by all users.
[21:08] <imi> most probaly due to possible data leakage, yes, maybe you don't want to reveal your identity to an app, while still bear the same identity every time you use that app, if your machine id is public and your perceived identity is based on a salted hash of your machine id, your true identity can be cound out easier than brute forcing the hash
[21:08] <imi> *found
[21:09] <ravage> https://wiki.debian.org/MachineId
[22:06] <c_89> I write this code but I need to fix it: https://pastebin.com/raw/khJLJPDR
[22:08] <jhutchins> c_89: It's very flattering that you would think we all know enough to recognise the language, and to know what you're trying to do without any embedded comments.
[22:09] <sarnold> it's *two* languages :D
[22:09] <jhutchins> c_89: This really isn't a programming channel though, we're general Ubuntu OS support.
[22:09] <sarnold> c_89: is this trying to defeat a stupid infinite scroll website? heh
[22:10] <c_89> jhutchins So are you telling me I can't answer you?
[22:10] <jhutchins> Oops, I just found the comment!
[22:10] <c_89> sarnold infinite scroll to element that can be: body, div, ....
[22:11] <sarnold> keep fighting the good fight
[22:11] <c_89> body, div are argument to function
[22:11] <jhutchins> I miss HTML.
[22:12] <juanv> hola
[22:12] <juanv> añguien de chile
[22:13] <c_89> jhutchins an example page to scroll: https://www.youtube.com/c/AndreaGaleazzi/community
[22:13] <sarnold> #ubuntu-es maybe?
[22:14] <c_89> jhutchins the css tag selector is: ytd-browse.style-scope
[22:15] <c_89> the error is: selenium.common.exceptions.ElementNotInteractableException: Message: element not interactable
[22:15] <oerheks> there is ##programming here on #libera
[22:17] <jhutchins> c_89: I'd be glad to help with Fortran, Cobol, or RPG.
[22:42] <Cursarion> hmm, have gzless and gzmore disappeared from repo with jammy?
[22:44] <sarnold> Cursarion: you're probably looking for zless and zmore in the gzip package
[22:46] <Cursarion> hmm, maybe. thanks