| RAOF | <grayson-g[m]> "I can't seem to sign into the..." <- Not sure why you can't log in, but I've updated that on the wiki page. | 01:58 |
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| Saviq | Three issues I've found with Miriway+MATE on RC3 so far: | 05:37 |
| Saviq | - can't scroll all the way down, as if it's trying to scroll _past_ the bottom, and gets rejected | 05:37 |
| Saviq | - scrolling is jerky, compared to GNOME | 05:37 |
| Saviq | - notification appeared randomly in the middle of the screen (but that may be MATE's problem) | 05:37 |
| Saviq | - one of the symptoms of jerkiness seems to be that when I change scrolling direction, sometimes the first step will be in the original direction | 05:46 |
| Saviq | Sorry I've focused on scrolling, but that's something we've been talking a lot about recently, and is quite jarring UX wise. | 05:47 |
| Saviq | I can see those issues in Firefox, not in Fractal (Qt), that may be relevant | 05:48 |
| RAOF | Isn't Fractal GTK? | 06:55 |
| Saviq | You're right. Not sure why I thought Qt. | 07:09 |
| Saviq | Hah. That's special ;) | 07:11 |
| Saviq | $ xeyes | 07:11 |
| Saviq | Error: Can't open display: wayland-0 | 07:11 |
| RAOF | Heh. | 07:16 |
| alan_g[m] | <Saviq> "I can see those issues in..." <- DISPLAY=wayland-0 is a MATE "feature" | 07:17 |
| Saviq | Yeah I grok it now, didn't yesterday when you said it :) | 07:17 |
| Saviq | Ever got thunderbird to run wayland? `MOZ_ENABLE_WAYLAND=1` isn't doing the trick :/ | 07:18 |
| * RAOF should spin up a Miriway session. | 07:18 | |
| alan_g[m] | Saviq: There is a post on discourse | 07:19 |
| Saviq | Can't seem to get Xwayland going, either. Is `enable-x11=true` correct in the config file? | 07:29 |
| alan_g[m] | It shouldn't be needed - the `miriway` script should do that for you | 07:30 |
| Saviq | And if it doesn't? I can't see Xwayland running, would it be spun on demand? Which DISPLAY, then? | 07:31 |
| alan_g[m] | DISPLAY should allocate normally. try :0 | 07:31 |
| alan_g[m] | Gotta run errands before work BBIAB | 07:32 |
| Saviq | Yeah tried that, no dice | 07:40 |
| Saviq | - can't drag tabs in Firefox | 07:41 |
| alan_g[m] | `ls -lh /tmp/.X*`? | 07:56 |
| alan_g[m] | <alan_g[m]> "There is a post on discourse" <- https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/using-firefox-wayland-on-mir-servers/19704 | 07:58 |
| -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** AlanGriffiths closed [pull request #2560](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/pull/2560): Add a libmiral-bin metapackage | 07:59 | |
| alan_g[m] | ...and we're *still* waiting on riscv64 in [ppa:mir-team/rc](https://launchpad.net/~mir-team/+archive/ubuntu/rc/+packages) | 08:04 |
| Saviq | > `ls -lh /tmp/.X*`? | 08:12 |
| Saviq | There's a lot, like up to X8... | 08:12 |
| Saviq | And yeah, :8 works | 08:12 |
| alan_g[m] | Have you crashed Xorg a lot since booting? | 08:13 |
| Saviq | No, I've restarted the shell a lot | 08:15 |
| alan_g[m] | But... that ought to clean up after itself | 08:15 |
| Saviq | Yup, it didn't. https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/5dzRZqm7CQ/ | 08:19 |
| * Saviq will try !MATE components, maybe will have better luck | 08:19 | |
| Saviq | FWIW b | 08:20 |
| Saviq | y restarting I meant killing miriway | 08:20 |
| alan_g[m] | Ah, not a normal exit by Ctrl-Alt-BkSp? | 08:24 |
| Saviq | That doesn't do anything, neither does "Logout" from the top menu | 08:24 |
| alan_g[m] | Try a long hold | 08:25 |
| Saviq | My config, for reference: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/RnTCSx4QrZ/ | 08:25 |
| Saviq | alan_g[m]: That worked | 08:25 |
| alan_g[m] | If you have any apps open, you need a long hold to force close | 08:26 |
| Saviq | Ah. | 08:27 |
| -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** bors[bot] closed [issue #2568](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/issues/2568): mir_unit_tests crashes in initialization on Arch | 08:32 | |
| -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** bors[bot] merged [pull request #2569](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/pull/2569): Only call global_mock->XInitThreads() if global mock exists | 08:32 | |
| -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** AlanGriffiths opened [pull request #2574](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/pull/2574): Fix include guard | 08:59 | |
| -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- | 08:59 | |
| -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- > Oops! | 08:59 | |
| alan_g[m] | Saviq ^ quick review please! (Is low risk, so I want this for ~rc4) | 09:01 |
| -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** bors[bot] merged [pull request #2574](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/pull/2574): Fix include guard | 09:42 | |
| Saviq | Hmm I can't get focus in a thunderbird (xwayland) child (? - event creation) window | 10:06 |
| Saviq | It works with mail composition, so it looks like the calendar event window has some other properties? It's missing a title bar | 10:06 |
| alan_g[m] | There are still some Xwayland support issues in Mir (but worth raising one if it isn't already there). But isn't thunderbird GTK? And use Wayland? | 10:11 |
| Saviq | I couldn't get the snap to go Wayland (yet) | 10:22 |
| alan_g[m] | Oh, I'm using the deb. Grep the snap for `DISABLE_WAYLAND` as it is a popular way of causing pain | 10:24 |
| Saviq | Yeah it has that indeed | 10:59 |
| Saviq | Apparently for a reason… | 11:04 |
| Saviq | $ thunderbird | 11:04 |
| Saviq | Error: no DISPLAY environment variable specified | 11:04 |
| Saviq | Must've been built without wayland support, will try and rebuild | 11:04 |
| alan_g[m] | A shame, many snaps I've experimented with are "fixed" by unsquashfs and removing it | 11:05 |
| Saviq | And this (build) comes straight from Mozilla | 11:05 |
| -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** AlanGriffiths opened [pull request #2575](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/pull/2575): Rename miral::CommandLineOption to ConfigurationOption | 11:06 | |
| -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- | 11:06 | |
| -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- > Candidate for cherry-picking to 2.9 as we've already broken ABI | 11:06 | |
| Saviq | > A shame, many snaps I've experimented with are "fixed" by unsquashfs and removing it | 11:10 |
| Saviq | It did, my terminal environment must've messed something else up - it works fine now - in Miriway, too | 11:10 |
| alan_g[m] | 😂 | 11:13 |
| Saviq | to15lip83ja | 11:14 |
| Saviq | And there goes the password... | 11:14 |
| alan_g[m] | No special characters? Be ashamed! | 11:15 |
| Saviq | We need a screen locker in Miriway :P | 11:17 |
| alan_g[m] | PRs welcome! | 11:17 |
| Saviq | alan_g did you see the scrolling issues I mentioned? those would be candidates for fixing for 2.9 IMO | 11:29 |
| Saviq | (if they're regressions, that is) | 11:30 |
| alan_g[m] | I saw you mentioned them. Was it only Firefox/X11 though? | 11:30 |
| Saviq | No X11 | 11:31 |
| Saviq | Both Firefox and Thunderbird on Wayland | 11:31 |
| alan_g[m] | Will try to reproduce. (In a short while, back to drafting an article and want to finish the section) | 11:32 |
| Saviq | Looks like it only affects web views (as opposed to folder/email lists) inside Thunderbird, which would suggest there's two distinct APIs, and one of them is affected | 11:54 |
| Saviq | Likely something to do with smooth scrolling or so | 11:54 |
| alan_g[m] | Well, from what I've seen of GTK, it doesn't support wl_seat > 5, so there should only be "legacy" scrolling | 11:55 |
| Saviq | The views certainly behave different, on GNOME as well - lists scroll by abruptly jumping around, web views smooth the movement out | 12:04 |
| alan_g[m] | Does "on GNOME as well" imply it is a client-side problem, not Mir? | 13:08 |
| Saviq | I meant that it behaves differently on GNOME, which suggests it's not the same scrolling API? Or at least a different handling of it | 13:09 |
| Saviq | It behaves fine on GNOME, wrong on Mir | 13:09 |
| alan_g[m] | We *should* be "doing the same thing". Mir advertises wl_seat 8, Mutter 5, but GTK binds to 5 in both cases. I need to reproduce and grab some WAYLAND_DEBUG logs to see what differs | 13:12 |
| alan_g[m] | So, I open firefox, use the scroll wheel and see what? | 13:16 |
| Saviq | When you scroll, you can't reach either top or bottom | 13:18 |
| Saviq | When you change scrolling direction, sometimes the first "step" after direction change will be opposite | 13:18 |
| alan_g[m] | I do see that. So far, so good. | 13:19 |
| alan_g[m] | It almost looks as though the "paint" is for the previous scroll event | 13:20 |
| Saviq | But you can click on the right things, so it isn't, really | 13:27 |
| Saviq | I'd say the accumulation is going wrong? One step behind? | 13:29 |
| alan_g[m] | OK, so we're not sending the `axis_discrete()` messages needed for smooth scrolling | 13:29 |
| -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** AlanGriffiths opened [issue #2576](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/issues/2576): We don't send `axis_discrete` to ws_seat-v5 clients (like firefox) | 13:31 | |
| -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** AlanGriffiths edited [issue #2576](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/issues/2576): We don't send `axis_discrete` to ws_seat-v5 clients (like firefox) | 13:32 | |
| alan_g[m] | Weird, I saw the problem with the PPA build, but with a local build I don't... | 14:25 |
| alan_g[m] | But the accumulator code looks wrong. I think we need to use `std::div` to get sane results with signed values | 14:27 |
| alan_g[m] | ...or maybe not. Seems that was fixed (towards zero) in C++11 | 14:30 |
| -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** AlanGriffiths closed [issue #2576](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/issues/2576): We don't send `axis_discrete` to ws_seat-v5 clients (like firefox) | 15:34 | |
| alan_g[m] | OK, after reading what the logs actually say, the princple difference between us and Mutter is the order we send events in: | 15:37 |
| alan_g[m] | Mutter: source, discrete, axis, frame | 15:38 |
| alan_g[m] | Mir: discrete, axis, source, frame | 15:38 |
| Saviq | Does the protocol define the order? Or is Mozilla assuming something? | 15:51 |
| grayson-g[m] | Saviq: I don't recall the protocol specifying order. | 15:52 |
| grayson-g[m] | "The order of wl_pointer.axis_discrete and wl_pointer.axis_source is not guaranteed." | 15:54 |
| alan_g[m] | It shouldn't matter. And changing our order doesn't change anything | 15:59 |
| alan_g[m] | OK, there's a factor here I don't follow. The same scenario with the same build of the same code that was failing consistently is now working consistently | 16:29 |
| Saviq | I can reliably see it with my build (against ~rc4) | 16:36 |
| -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** AlanGriffiths opened [issue #2577](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/issues/2577): [2.9] Weird scrolling in, for example Firefox... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/c7c3eeede985dbbfc377d4609072244e0992ac9b) | 16:42 | |
| -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** AlanGriffiths edited [issue #2577](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/issues/2577): [2.9] Weird scrolling in, for example Firefox | 16:43 | |
| alan_g[m] | I've seen it (and not seen it) with both PPA and local builds. | 16:44 |
| -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** AlanGriffiths edited [issue #2577](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/issues/2577): [2.9] Weird scrolling in, for example Firefox | 16:48 | |
| -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** AlanGriffiths edited [issue #2577](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/issues/2577): [2.9] Weird scrolling in, for example Firefox | 16:49 | |
| alan_g[m] | OK, that's it for my day. o/ | 17:02 |
| -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** bors[bot] merged [pull request #2575](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/pull/2575): Rename miral::CommandLineOption to ConfigurationOption | 17:09 | |
| Saviq | sophie if you have an idea, would be good if you have a look ^^ | 19:40 |
| sophie-w | Saviq: What are you referring to, the FF scrolling thing? | 19:41 |
| Saviq | sophie yes | 19:44 |
| sophie-w | Yep, that's my after lunch project (been finishing up a fix for the deadlock I found the other day) | 19:45 |
| sophie-w | (sorry if the FF thing was urgent, I though y'all had logged off) | 19:46 |
| -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** wmww opened [pull request #2578](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/pull/2578): ObserverMultiplexer: allow simultaneous observations/unregisters... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/29385a82c6dae9f6f4451ef63eca6f2723e03680) | 20:02 | |
| -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** wmww requested a review from RAOF for [pull request #2578](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/pull/2578): ObserverMultiplexer: allow simultaneous observations/unregisters | 20:02 | |
| -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** wmww closed [issue #1880](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/issues/1880): ObserverMultiplexer: deadlocks if observer removed from callback when executor runs immediately | 20:06 | |
| Saviq | No worries, not urgent, just didn't want it to miss your day :) | 20:17 |
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