[03:32] <webchat36> Is there any way to stop cURLing once a string occurs?
[03:33] <webchat36> I'm trying to only get up to the end of the meta tag in a HTML request so I want to stop the request after the </meta> tag occurs. Is this possible?
[03:33] <webchat36> After the </head> tag occurs*
[04:05] <jhutchins> webchat36: There's a way to request just the head.
[04:09] <webchat36> jhutchins HEAD is just the request headers, status code, etc. I'm trying to stream the data from curl and stop at a certain point. Is this possible?
[04:16] <jhutchins> webchat36: You'll have to tell us.
[05:57] <VIA> wawa
[06:22] <deepak> Hi
[06:22] <deepak> I am trying to encrypt my home directory using "ecryptfs-migrate-home -u <username>" but after some time getting the error as
[06:23] <deepak>  yadav2.ssh/config           2,514 100%    6.84kB/s    0:00:00 (xfr#2507148, to-chk=5/2974926) yadav2.ssh/id_rsa           1,675 100%    4.56kB/s    0:00:00 (xfr#2507149, to-chk=4/2974926) yadav2.ssh/id_rsa.pub             403 100%    1.10kB/s    0:00:00 (xfr#2507150, to-chk=3/2974926) yadav2.ssh/known_hosts          27,856 100%   75.77kB/s    0:00:00 (xfr#250
[06:23] <deepak> rsync error: some files/attrs were not transferred (see previous errors) (code 23) at main.c(1196) [sender=3.1.2]
[06:25] <alkisg> deepak: if I recall correctly, ecryptfs is a bit unmaintained and people are adviced to move either to full disk encryption or https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Fscrypt
[06:25] <alkisg> I think I migrated my ubuntu private directory from ecryptfs to fscrypt a couple of years ago, using that ^ wiki page
[06:27] <deepak> The organisation is not allowing me to perform the full disk encryption they want to encrypt the home directory of the user onlu....In some systems the encryption is successfully completed but in some system getting the error as mentioned previously.
[06:46] <alkisg> deepak: tell them to examine https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/tyhicks/ecryptfs.git (last commit 2013) before deciding to use ecryptfs or fscrypt
[06:46] <alkisg> When something isn't maintained, people shouldn't START using it but migrate away from it...
[06:47] <murmel> alkisg: this is not how enterprise works :S
[06:48] <oshor> oshor
[06:48] <murmel> maybe I should have added /s
[07:05] <deepak> Thanks everyone...Checking
[12:11] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[12:13] <hermano> fdsa
[12:14] <romo> Hey guys, what's the correct way to install two linux distros alongside each other on a single drive in UEFI-mode, both having an encrypted /root. Do they share one /esp and one /boot or do I need two of either of those partitions?
[12:22] <raxor2k> I have secure my restAPI in my ubuntu server so now it runs on https
[12:23] <raxor2k> Can i do the same approach to secure my websocketapi on my other ubuntu server?
[12:23] <gordonjcp> raxor2k: anything webby should be on https
[12:24] <raxor2k> Yes and ?
[12:24] <gordonjcp> raxor2k: or at least, more accurately, over TLS
[12:24] <gordonjcp> raxor2k: quite honestly I wouldn't bother configuring a webserver to support TLS, I'd just stick it behind Traefik
[13:06] <cyphix> Hello. I'm running Ubuntu 22.04 and I had weird issues with my graphics. I therefore decided to remove the nvidia drivers and use nouveau. This switch fixed my issues but triggered new ones. So I decided to switch back to nvidia. But my attempt at installing it fails: sudo apt install nvidia-driver-515 triggers the error libnvidia-gl-515 : Depends: libnvidia-egl-wayland1 (>= 1:1.1.7) but it is not
[13:07] <cyphix> installable. Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages. Any idea what could cause the issue? I've encountered this same "this package is uninstallable" issue for other packages these last days, so I suspect something more deep is brocken.
[13:08] <bancroft> how can I find information about how a package gets installed? Specifically I'm looking at postgresql, I want to know if the service file gets re-added and re-enabled on an apt update
[13:13] <guest8741> i have a Dell laptop inspiron n7 110 with ubuntu 18 -10 is ok upgrade to latest release
[13:14] <leftyfb> !eolupgrade | guest8741
[14:35] <athos> bancroft: you may go through the deb control info, or through the source package to get detailed information on that matter
[14:36] <athos> for postgresql specifically, https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1011067 has a few nice URLs which may be worth reading if you really want to understand it
[14:42] <aluno_> oioi
[14:42] <luna__> hoi
[14:43] <aluno_> td bom galeris?
[15:04] <stevenm> hey since ubuntu 22.04 now comes with GRUB 2.06... in theory I should be able to put the kernel on an ext4 (as /, not need for a separate /boot filesystem), inside a LUKS2 crypt partition, inside LVM2 right?
[15:05] <stevenm> p.s. I'm debootstrapping ubuntu to avoid all this snap shit
[15:06]  * stevenm realises he's not in #grub - oops, wrong chan
[15:17] <leprotravel> sup
[15:25] <pycurious> is there a compact < $500 PC that I can run ubuntu 20.04 well with good hdmi output? Any recommendations?
[15:25] <leftyfb> pycurious: https://ubuntu.com/certified
[15:31]  * ogra guesses any cheap NUC sould do ... 
[15:31] <ogra> or a NUC clone
[15:33] <davros> ultimate $500 device would be a 2nd hand mac mini m1, but no ubuntu there .. yet
[15:34] <davros> i guess you could run ubuntu on a steam deck, right? base model has limited storage though
[15:34] <ogra> well ... probably in a container on top of asahi 😉
[15:34] <ogra> but HDMI output was a req. so asahi and M1 are kind of out of business here
[15:34] <davros> M1 has a plain HDMI port
[15:35] <ogra> (assuming there should be more than a console on HDMI)
[15:35] <ogra> but no graphics drivers
[15:35] <davros> i mean M1 mac mini ^ its got one HDMI and relies on usb-c for 2nd monitors
[15:35] <davros> i guess there should be some nice ryzen mini pcs
[15:35] <ogra> yeha, or NUC clones from non-intel
[15:36] <davros> i really wish sony still  allowed "Other OS".. the SOC's for the consoles would make nice small-ish PCs
[15:36] <davros> unified memory is a good thing for low power
[15:37] <davros> ok all the igpus do that
[15:46] <Orupeusu> Hi there, I've got a q about a ZFS array I have running on my Ubuntu server - ok to ask here, or do I need to find a channel specifically about OpenZFS?
[15:47] <webchat64> Hi
[15:47] <murmel> Orupeusu: people in #zfs or #openzfs can definitely help better. but i guess it depends on the question
[15:47] <ogra> Orupeusu, it is okay to ask here, but your chances to find zfs specialists are probably higher in #ubuntu-server
[15:48] <Orupeusu> ok I'll try my luck here and if it's out of scope just tell me and I'll bounce to the other channels you mentioned :)
[15:48] <luna__> hey
[15:48] <Orupeusu> so here's the output of zdb for my pool: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/dwc2gBjrqN/
[15:51] <Orupeusu> children [1], [2], and [3] have incorrect devid and phys_path, they should resemble those of the other children, so should start with 'ata-WDC...' etc, and 'pci-0000...' etc
[15:54] <webchat64> I am trying to install ubuntu 22.04 LTS on my macbook pro 2021, the live boot usb stick get stuck on the intial screen. I am suspecting it's the graphics card (AMD Radeon PRO 5500M). I tried editing the bootloader to use `nomodeset` but for some weird reason CTRL-X does not save and exit, but instead, just inputs X
[15:54] <murmel> how are you using a radeon pro 5500M on a macbook pro 2021 (arm based)
[15:55] <webchat64> it's an intel ship
[15:55] <webchat64> early 2021, late 2019
[15:55] <webchat64> sorry I mean 2020
[15:55] <murmel> ahh makes sense :)
[15:55] <murmel> webchat64: read up on macbook pros. the ones with the touchbar are still problematic afair
[15:56] <webchat64> yeah I can attest to that
[15:56] <webchat64> any reads you can recommend?
[15:59] <murmel> webchat64: https://wiki.t2linux.org/
[16:22] <bancroft> thanks athos
[17:15] <bancroft> regarding apt, does postinst get run every time you run upgrade?
[17:16] <ogra> it should
[17:18] <bancroft> I found this doc for debian, I assume it's the same for ubuntu? https://wiki.debian.org/MaintainerScripts
[17:25] <RikMills> bancroft: yes
[17:25] <bancroft> RikMills: thanks, I'll keep reading then :)
[18:50] <linsux> can't find a good howto about zram
[18:51] <oerheks> bing gives https://www.maketecheasier.com/configure-zram-ubuntu/
[18:52] <linsux> that wiki didn't help
[18:52] <enigma9o7[m]> Bing let's me search with my voice, so I pretend I'm in Star Trek and talking to the computer.
[18:52] <linsux> there is no such file/usr/bin/init-zram-swapping
[18:53] <sarnold> ± apt-file search init-zram-swapping
[18:53] <sarnold> zram-config: /usr/bin/init-zram-swapping
[18:55] <oerheks> sudo apt install util-linux , and voila!
[18:56] <linsux> ls /usr/bin/init*
[18:57] <linsux>  /usr/bin/initex
[18:57] <linsux> nothing
[18:58] <oerheks> you did install zram-config too, as a start?
[18:58] <oerheks> if not, i understand..
[18:59] <linsux> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[18:59] <linsux>  init : PreDepends: systemd-sysv
[18:59] <linsux> E: Error, pkgProblemResolver::Resolve generated breaks, this may be caused by held packages.
[19:00] <oerheks> what linux are you on?
[19:00] <linsux>   /usr/bin/init-zram-swapping: 10: echo: echo: I/O error
[19:01] <Guest9> ERROR: Encrypted private directory is not setup properly
[19:01] <Guest9> ecryptfs-mount-private
[19:01] <sarnold> uhoh
[19:01] <Guest9> Hi, here is my problem when I try to access my encrypted home.
[19:01] <Guest9> Can someone help me please?
[19:01] <sarnold> linsux: check dmesg, maybe you've got failing hard drives or similar
[19:01] <linsux> VERSION="22.04.1 LTS (Jammy Jellyfish)"
[19:01] <oerheks> systemd-sysv is standard installed.
[19:03] <linsux> what that mean? it's broken?
[19:04] <linsux> i upgrade this from 20.03 to 22.04 lts if i remember correctly
[20:21] <kucklehead> I am wanting to compile a kernel with arch linux config. Do I need a cross compiler or no?
[20:22] <murmel> kucklehead: no
[20:23] <kucklehead> Okay I was just making sure.
[20:23] <arraybolt3[m]> kucklehead: I wouldn't think so - cross compilers are for when you're crossing architecture boundaries (like compiling for ARM on x86).
[20:23] <arraybolt3[m]> Distro boundaries shouldn't be a problem.
[20:23] <oerheks> building an ubuntu kernel with arch config?
[20:24] <oerheks> lolz
[20:24] <kucklehead> no. vanilla kernel with a arch config
[20:24] <murmel> oerheks: who knows why he wants to do that
[20:24] <arraybolt3[m]> oerheks: Hey, maybe Arch config makes his hardware work and Ubuntu config doesn't.
[20:24] <tarzeau> what hardware could that be?
[20:24] <arraybolt3[m]> That's the beauty of an open-source kernel, if it doesn't work but you could make it work, you're allowed to!
[20:25] <murmel> tarzeau: idk, I do have issues with my LTE modem on ubuntu (but never tried arch because of it)
[20:25] <tarzeau> Same beauty with C, you want to shoot into your foot. you're allowed to!
[20:25] <kucklehead> It has nothing to do with that. Something is wrong with the compiler and it keeps deleting the vmlinuz for some reason when I compiled it on arch linux
[20:25] <kucklehead> Wanted to see if there is a difference
[20:26] <arraybolt3[m]> Oh yikes. You sure you're not accidentally running "clean" somewhere in there?
[20:26] <tarzeau> kucklehead: i've never seen a compiler delete files
[20:26] <kucklehead> Nope. Something about invalid argument 255
[20:26] <arraybolt3[m]> (Also, this is an Ubuntu support channel, not Arch, but, since this could be for Ubuntu, for now it's tentatively on-topic.)
[20:26] <kucklehead> And BTF
[20:26] <tarzeau> incomplete bug reports are useless
[20:27] <arraybolt3[m]> tarzeau: Run "make clean". That'll get your compiler (well, actually, the build system) to delete files.
[20:27] <kucklehead> I am full aware about that. It was a ubuntu question
[20:27] <tarzeau> kucklehead: so state, your input, what exactly happens, what you expect to happen
[20:27] <tarzeau> there's a huge difference between a compiler and a build system
[20:27] <tarzeau> so if your only problem is a file getting delete, just don't run make clean?
[20:28] <kucklehead> Why would I run make clean
[20:28] <kucklehead> When I want to compile the kernel
[20:28] <tarzeau> you don't need to run make clean to compile a kernel?
[20:28] <tarzeau> well, *i* don't
[20:28] <kucklehead> I run it after make -j3; make modules; make modules_install
[20:29] <ash_worksi> how do you stop services from starting up automatically when I reboot?
[20:29] <arraybolt3[m]> tarzeau: Sorry, I was getting confused, ignore my make clean stuff.
[20:29] <sarnold> ash_worksi: systemctl --disable foo.service
[20:29] <ash_worksi> thanks sarnold
[20:29] <arraybolt3[m]> ash_worksi: systemctl disable <servicename> && systemctl mask <servicename>
[20:29] <arraybolt3[m]> (Mask will make good and sure it doesn't come back on.)
[20:29] <ash_worksi> whats 'mask' do?
[20:29] <ash_worksi> oh
[20:29] <sarnold> ash_worksi: argh, sorry,I got it wrong; systemctl disable foo.service
[20:29] <leftyfb> ash_worksi: mask makes it so you cannot start it unless you unmask it. Even manually
[20:30] <ash_worksi> I see
[20:30] <ash_worksi> well, I don't think I want to go that far
[20:30] <murmel> ash_worksi: mask disables the service completly. disable disables it in a way where other services can still start it
[20:30] <sarnold> ash_worksi: disable and mask are very similar; maintainer scripts will systemctl enable   things all the thing. the idea is that *nothing* will systemctl unmask a service except for the sysadmin
[20:31] <ash_worksi> hmm
[20:31] <ash_worksi> I guess maybe I should mask it then
[20:31] <jhutchins> ash_worksi: Do you want to stop a single program from starting, or all programs except the basic shell?
[20:31] <kucklehead> So I copied over my kernel sources that are compressed as tars to a usb drive and ran sudo tar -xvf kernel-source.tar and it gave me this output: http://ix.io/48xe
[20:31] <ash_worksi> well, honestly redis was installed for just messing around
[20:31] <ash_worksi> but I often bind a redis container to the same port
[20:31] <sarnold> kucklehead: check dmesg; my guess is you'll find messages in there showing disk corruption. usb drives are notorious junk.
[20:32] <ash_worksi> which I could solve by simply changing the port, but I always forget that redis is even running
[20:32] <kucklehead> sarnold, hmm, okay will do. I will post if i get the same errors from arch linux on my ubuntu machine
[20:33] <sarnold> kucklehead: (I guess it's possible that you might see the error messages on the *other* machine -- or, if you pulled the usb drive before the data was done being written..)
[20:33] <kucklehead> I don't think I did. I waited for the cp command to be done executing :/
[20:35] <kucklehead> ran sudo cp *.tar tmp0 and waited for it to  be done
[20:36] <kucklehead> Oh, so one of the source kernel is screwed LOL
[20:38] <kucklehead> brb
[20:45] <jhutchins> KushalKumaran[m]: It's usually suggested that you run "sync" to be sure the buffers get written before you remove a drive.
[20:46] <jhutchins> KushalKumaran[m]: The "eject" command does that (also physically ejects optical discs or tapes).
[20:46] <jhutchins> A simple test would be to md5sum the source files and compare them to the target.
[21:19] <michacassola> Hey, I went to the linkt in the readme of https://code.launchpad.net/~toabctl/vmbuilder/jenkins_kvm-move-to-git which led me to https://code.launchpad.net/~cloudware/cloudware/+git/jenkins_kvm , but there I get a forbidden error. Does anybody know where I could access to build scripts please?
[21:24] <sarnold> michacassola: heh, that might be in "join the company
[21:24] <sarnold> michacassola: .. territory. I don't even have access to the list of people on the team..
[21:27] <michacassola> sarnold Thanks for your quick answer! I am not a Canonical team member, only a not so amused Askubuntu user who thought finding those scripts openly might be better answered somewhere not StackExchangy :)
[21:27] <bayoubill> lkk
[21:30] <sarnold> michacassola: yeah, that makes sense; I'm surprised they're private, too, but launchpad is *really* difficult about flipping between open/closed, making it public now is probably very difficult
[21:31] <michacassola> Ah, good to know, thanks! Is there a mirror anywhere? I am specifically interested in the script to build the OCI images here https://partner-images.canonical.com/oci/ from the rootfs repo.
[21:37] <kucklehead> Strange, I am getting these warnings about deprecation: http://ix.io/48xz
[21:38] <kucklehead> I'm on ubuntu and I have no idea why I am getting these warnings when I don't get them on arch linux. And this is compiling a kernel source
[21:39] <sarnold> kucklehead: is your arch on openssl 3 or openssl 1.1?
[21:39] <gordonjcp> huh, TIL that people still compile kernels
[21:42] <kucklehead> sarnold, It would be the newest openssl version, cause I update it pretty much everyday. Same with all my systems besides windows. Windows can burn in hell
[21:48] <bn_work> On Ubuntu 14.04, does crontab not create a log file by default every time it runs?  if so, where and with what log identifier? (grep all of /var/log for `crontab` but got nothing?)
[21:48] <bn_work> s/grep/grep-ed/
[21:51] <sarnold> bn_work: grep for CRON instead
[21:51] <sarnold> bn_work: and no, cron's big thing is sending emails
[21:51] <bn_work> If I grep for `cron` by itself I do see things like `CRON[4020]: (root) CMD (   cd / && run-parts --report /etc/cron.hourly)` `CRON[4046]: (root) CMD (command -v debian-sa1 > /dev/null && debian-sa1 1 1)` but the cron job I created runs on 1st Sat of every 3rd-month
[21:52] <bn_work> sarnold: when it runs? or if it fails?
[21:52] <sarnold> bn_work: when it fails
[21:52] <leftyfb> bn_work: Ubuntu 14.04 is WELL passed EOL
[21:52] <oerheks> please, no EOL version questions tonight
[21:52] <bn_work> leftyfb: yes, I know
[21:53] <leftyfb> bn_work: that mwans it's unsupported
[21:53] <bn_work> oerheks: then abstain
[21:53] <bn_work> consider it a general question then
[21:53] <leftyfb> bn_work: use a systemd timer
[21:53] <bn_work> about how crontab is supposed to log
[21:53] <bn_work> leftyfb: ok
[21:54] <leftyfb> bn_work: supported versions of ubuntu log to the journal log
[21:55] <bn_work> hmm, I guess I could just check process to see how long it's been running, cron job was setup around may 2022 and it should have restarted like a few days ago or so
[21:55] <leftyfb> bn_work: time to upgrade
[21:55] <bn_work> does STIME+ wrap around in (h)top?
[21:56] <bn_work> er, TIME+ col I mean
[21:56] <sarnold> heh what problem are you trying to solve?
[21:56] <sarnold> is this a problem that could be solved by using run-one, for example?
[21:56] <leftyfb> or upgrading to a supported version of ubuntu
[21:57] <oerheks> if that cronjob was on your EOL 16.04...
[21:57] <leftyfb> 14.04
[21:58] <oerheks> https://askubuntu.com/questions/1059485/cron-jobs-no-longer-working-after-upgrade-from-ubuntu-16-04-to-18-04
[21:58] <bn_work> sarnold:  app's service has a known mem leak and needs to be bounced once every 3 months or so, so I had created a crontab for it
[21:59] <sarnold> bn_work: eww :)
[21:59] <bn_work> sarnold:  we have no control over it, it's been a known issue with it
[22:01] <bn_work> looks like it didn't bounce, process's start time = May 09 :(
[22:09] <bn_work> oerheks: thanks
[22:09] <oerheks> yw
[22:10] <bn_work> FWIW, my root crontab entry just looks like `0   3   *   1/3 Sat   test $(date +\%d) -le 7 && service foo restart`  that should run on 1st Sat of every 3rd-month
[22:10] <sarnold> "sat"?? does that work? heh
[22:13] <oerheks> 1/3 for months?
[22:16] <bn_work> oerheks:  IIRC, you can use fractions
[22:18] <oerheks> then it was scheduled saturday 14 august, counting from may 9
[22:18] <oerheks> err 13
[22:20] <bn_work> sounds about right
[22:30] <bn_work> sarnold: yes, see `man 5 crontab`
[22:31] <bn_work> > day of week    0-7 (0 or 7 is Sun, or use names)
[22:31] <bn_work> > [...]
[22:31] <bn_work> > Names can also be used for the ``month'' and ``day of week'' fields.  Use the first three letters of the particular day or month (case doesn't matter).
[22:34] <bn_work> does the mail agent leave a log?  I don't even have an email from it saying it failed :|
[22:36] <bn_work> (I don't see anything with "mail" in /var/log ...)
[22:36] <kucklehead>  I am thinking not, but I wanna make sure: Is it possible to be hacked if someone just knew your user account name and not the pass?
[22:37] <ravage> If your password is weak then yes
[22:37] <bn_work> here we go:  in syslog:  `CRON[1340]: (root) MAIL (mailed 1 byte of output; but got status 0x00ff, #012`
[22:38] <bn_work> that was today
[22:38] <bn_work>  /var/log/syslog:1:Aug 24 06:25:36
[22:38] <bn_work> not sure what status 0x00ff, #012 indicates
[22:40] <bn_work> > Step values can be used in conjunction with ranges.  Following a range with ``/<number>'' specifies skips of the number's value through the range.  For example, ``0-23/2'' can be used in the  hours  field  to  specify command execution every other hour (the alternative in the V7 standard is ``0,2,4,6,8,10,12,14,16,18,20,22'').  Steps are also permitted after an asterisk, so if you want to say ``every two hours'', just use
[22:40] <bn_work> ``*/2''.
[22:40] <bn_work> oerheks: ^ from same `man 5 crontab` , FYI
[22:41] <kucklehead> ravage, yeah that makes sense. I was just curious.
[22:48] <jellyfishHELP> Hello I have a serious issue with jellyfish crashing when I click on bookmarks in brave and firefox on a lenovo T500 I get a total crash and then a black screen that has
[22:49] <jellyfishHELP> debug: File 'radeon_ring_gfx' in directory '0' already present
[22:49] <jellyfishHELP> can anyone please help
[22:50] <jellyfishHELP> when I click on a link in fb or amazon the same it crashes
[22:51] <oerheks> t500 with ATI Mobility Radeon HD 3650 ?
[22:51] <oerheks> no wonder, that card is even below the specs for openradeon.
[22:51] <jellyfishHELP> ah I think that is the right radeon
[22:52] <oerheks> 4xxx and up
[22:52] <jellyfishHELP> it worked with focal fossa
[22:52] <jellyfishHELP> with no crashing
[22:53] <oerheks> and 64 bit required 4gb now, specially when opening a browser
[22:53] <jellyfishHELP> it ran 64 focal fine
[22:53] <oerheks> i would do a lightweight desktop, xubuntu or mate  on that hardware.
[22:54] <jellyfishHELP> it is mate - I thought
[22:54] <jellyfishHELP> I am not versed in all this - just want it to work
[22:54] <oerheks> rename the .mozilla folder, and restart ff?
[22:55] <oerheks> if that does not solve, i bet it is hardware related.
[22:55] <jellyfishHELP> I was using focal fine and then it asked to upgrade and I did and now this
[22:56] <jellyfishHELP> reinstalling focal - is that possible and save all my files
[22:56] <oerheks> or you might want to try xorg session instead of systemd
[22:56] <oerheks> wayland
[22:57] <jellyfishHELP> I do not know what those commands are
[22:57] <oerheks> logout, see settings xorg - wayland, change, login again
[22:58] <arraybolt3[m]> I'm gonna see if I can find the option, one moment...
[22:58] <arraybolt3[m]> jellyfishHELP: When you first turn on your computer, you might see an option for what desktop you want to use - one will be "Ubuntu", one will be "Ubuntu on Xorg" or something like that. Choose "Ubuntu on Xorg".
[22:58] <jellyfishHELP> thanks
[22:58] <oerheks> downgrading is not possible, reinstall after backup of your files.
[22:59] <jellyfishHELP> I do not have that option on restart
[22:59] <oerheks> no, logout.
[22:59] <oerheks> on login you get those options.
[22:59] <arraybolt3[m]> Yeah, there's a setting gear in the lower-right corner of the screen, after you click on your user entry on the login screen.
[22:59] <arraybolt3[m]> Click on your user, then click the settings icon and select "Ubuntu on Xorg".
[23:00] <jellyfishHELP> then what
[23:00] <arraybolt3[m]> jellyfishHELP: Then log in and see if it works.
[23:00] <oerheks> on any ubuntu both sessions are installed.
[23:02] <jellyfishHELP> ok I am back
[23:03] <jellyfishHELP> and going to try clicking on bookmark if crash will be back
[23:05] <oerheks> i think his last resort is a terminal browser. ati 3xxx
[23:09] <bn_work> elinks2 forever!
[23:10] <lubuntu> the lubntu 18 uses 180 mb ram, lubuntu 22 700mb ... is there something we can do about it
[23:11] <oerheks> lubuntu, basicly no?
[23:11] <lubuntu> is not much usage, but just wonder, what takes so much extra, as there is only slight look and feel beauty i can see on 22, but that can not be so large difference
[23:11] <oerheks> oh is this a reaction on that test?
[23:12] <enigma9o7[m]> lubuntu, you could install lxde instead.
[23:12] <lubuntu> just first impression, havent install, running on live the daili build
[23:12] <oerheks> oh, don; t bother to compare then..
[23:12] <lubuntu> lxqt takes more?
[23:13] <oerheks> on that test, lubuntu uses 357
[23:13] <oerheks> https://www.theregister.com/2022/08/18/ubuntu_remixes/
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[23:13] <enigma9o7[m]> 250 for lxde
[23:14] <oerheks> this all is, without even starting your browser
[23:14] <lubuntu> oh, thats it then, i just wondered where it come from the extra mb s
[23:15] <enigma9o7[m]> That lubuntu 18 may also have been 32-bit?  That saves some memory too.
[23:15] <oerheks> live environment at 700 mb is nice.
[23:15] <lubuntu> oh, yes, true, it was 32
[23:17] <lubuntu> in fact i installed slack, devuan, mint.. and about  20 more, all them sucked , the 18 lubuntu i almoust did not bother, as it was 32 bit and sounded so usual..   but it was great suprice
[23:18] <lubuntu> i do not get what is the issu systemd .. is that some part that  gov hackers can access or google to our system or.. why so much hate about it
[23:20] <sarnold> bn_work: hah, I wonder how long those names have been there
[23:20] <lubuntu> also some linuxes has issue  that when browser memory feeds up entire system locks up,all work lost, does not allow to kill it, some older systems it newer happens, my hardware is also weak, but still.. .. spechially the chrome..
[23:21] <oerheks> lubuntu, this is not the gossip channel, just technical support.
[23:22] <lubuntu> yes but they present it as true thing, i mean the main reason about all the devuan.. but their installer is so retarded, i only got in to slax and devuan thanks to lubunto who made them bootable again
[23:23] <oerheks> lets not discuss devuan
[23:24] <oerheks> !discuss
[23:28] <lubuntu> so the lubuntu 22, i can install easy, if i liked 18, the 22 does not have some weirdness in that would bloat multi tab extensive browser usage on low resource machine, or should i keep the old 18 32 bit version ? its 4gb ram light e2 amd lenovo b575e,  ..   i mean some say it is not smart to run old linux, and that not much speed is losed by new, ...others that there is no smart reason to jump from 18 to 22 on my system
[23:29] <bn_work> sarnold: you mean for cron?
[23:30] <sarnold> bn_work: yeah, heh
[23:33] <enigma9o7[m]> The smart reason is that lubuntu 18.04 is EOL, and the ubuntu backend will stop getting security updates after next april.  So at some point you'll probably wanna upgrade or switch distros.  But if its working for you now and you dont care that its EOL, then its probably more resource efficient than lubuntu 22.04
[23:35] <enigma9o7[m]> If you can up the ram to 8gb, and/or replace spinning hd with ssd, it'll seem like new fast machine and no worries for resources tho.
[23:35] <oerheks> that 4gb is a plus.
[23:38] <lubuntu> i do got ssd
[23:38] <lubuntu> (the main consern is that as i keep bothering  gov systems from fsb to others, not running on virus sytes but just literally i am worryed that some new or old system might be more secure, as with something new maybe more "access" comes ... but if LXDe does not load anything extra.. is it technically possible that old systems can be more secure , or it is too theoretical to bother about it, ... at most there i think can be local network
[23:38] <lubuntu> attacks and man in middle somekind of.. as there has been happenind some weird things not apropriate to say here, ... also is installing chrome in to linux make it seriussly more unsecure ? or can there be old browsers more secure then old ones? ... mostlikelly no , but i just do not know, so i thought to ask a bit )
[23:39] <lubuntu> ¤ or can there be old browsers more secure then new ones?
[23:44] <jhutchins> There's really no reason the upload system couldn't check to make sure that basic things like the graphics, network, storage and such are supported before it hauls of and nukes a system.
[23:45] <oerheks> it is all fud
[23:45] <oerheks> !fud
[23:45] <jhutchins> WARNING: Your system is not compatible with this release!  Do not upgrade unless you are prepared to fix it.
[23:46] <oerheks> what is next? updates are bad?
[23:46] <lubuntu> lubuntu it self is just Ubuntu whit diferent user envorement or is there some other security extras, differences , comapred to downloading ubuntu and then installing LXde on it ? Or should it be on security / compability wise all the same  (as i assume..but just lubuntu kind of "feels" so much cleaner.. )
[23:46] <lubuntu> thanks ubottu
[23:47] <lubuntu> i am the one actually worring , and try to look comfort from here,
[23:47] <lubuntu> as i not want to spread that worry to a forums
[23:47] <oerheks> just install lubuntu , install a firewall UFW and enable it.
[23:49] <lubuntu> i looked the hardening linux , and there was so many thing i not understand why it is not defoult, like something related to shell remote login and there was many files to edit and paste some new rules in it, can not recall now but i remeber it was a lot of work,  but mostly about remote login, ..is the UFW automatically disable all that ?
[23:50] <jhutchins> lubuntu: That's what it takes if you're going to do the hardening and understand what you're doing.
[23:50] <sarnold> lubuntu: ufw only allows or blocks ports; if you need to use ssh, ufw cannot make sure that you have disabled ssh password logins
[23:51] <jhutchins> There are other OSs where someone else has decided what you need to harden, and what threats you might need to block.
[23:52] <jhutchins> lubuntu: Ubuntu is reasonably secure for most casual home users as shipped.
[23:52] <enigma9o7[m]> Even a firewall is more than I need.
[23:52] <enigma9o7[m]> mitigations=off speeds things up
[23:52] <jhutchins> lubuntu: It's certainly a lot safer than the old versions of Windows that were hacked in an average of twelve minutes if they connected to the internet.
[23:53] <oerheks> just install lubuntu , install a firewall UFW and enable it.
[23:53] <jhutchins> The home/SOHO routers I've seen come with pretty decent protection these days.
[23:54] <lubuntu> oerheks: actually in windows we remeber the updates was big issue and not always making us happier, was kind of like  hope, that all is good but usually, later come new updates about updates... and mostly we newer know, linux mostly hopefully do not have these issues as its all openly looked by many peopple, but even that ensuring feeling is now shaked in my mind, after i try to read the many forums, who say that its impossible to look
[23:54] <lubuntu> the packages ..and that when you update the man in middle can send you modified updates...and many other things i not share, as i not have expertise to understand the full politics about the possibilites related to "corporations mandatory changes in code" etc.. ..just all the other linuxes they reccomend, they just do not work as well as lubuntu has...  so perhaps its all their empty fear and technically the lubuntu/ubuntu is more secure
[23:54] <lubuntu> including all the "conspirsys" that can affect them same way, or even more ( all the antiX and previus distros mentioned... i was really dissapointed on them after reading large praises about them in distrowatsh and forums, its like they have some propacanda machine working about it
[23:54] <jhutchins> A system that's exposed to the public, or to a potentially hostile user environment like a college computer lab or public library access needs more hardening.
[23:55] <oerheks> stop please.
[23:55] <jhutchins> A system that's connected to valuable assets like banking, investments, or commerce needs to be hardened.
[23:56] <lubuntu> so what is the most reasonable hardening guide You reccomend, as there is so many, and so more complicated ones for browsers as well
[23:56] <oerheks> I dont know any for lubuntu.
[23:56] <sarnold> if you run openssh-server, disable password login and require key or certificate login
[23:57] <lubuntu> will the ubuntu ones not work for lubuntu ?
[23:57] <sarnold> if you run any other services, read their documentation and figure out what configuration they need
[23:57] <lubuntu> its possible to figure out if you have technical mind
[23:57] <oerheks> Why should you need any?
[23:59] <lubuntu> issue is that my work, i bother the , possibily most technologically advanced people, but i my self lack any special skills on that aria, my skills are in another departement, so i was wondering the most secure and userfriendly research and data saving system, had tested so many and for some reason, one old laptop where  windows working, i did not get even single one linux working