| mup | PR snapcraft#3887 opened: store: support status for an onprem store <Created by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3887> | 01:57 |
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| mup | PR snapd#12059 closed: packaging/*/tests/integrationtests: reload ssh.service, not sshd.service <Created by vorlonofportland> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12059> | 06:53 |
| mup | PR snapd#12058 closed: overlord: allow seeding in the case of classic with modes system <Created by alfonsosanchezbeato> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12058> | 06:58 |
| mup | PR snapd#12079 opened: multiple: move arguments for auth.NewUser into a struct (auto-removal 1/n) <Created by Meulengracht> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12079> | 07:43 |
| eoli3n | Hi | 07:44 |
| eoli3n | mardy, testing is snapd.socket is ready is not enough | 07:44 |
| eoli3n | https://0x0.st/o90z.txt | 07:44 |
| eoli3n | https://0x0.st/o90i.txt | 07:45 |
| eoli3n | I can install a snap package in a chroot during os deployment | 07:53 |
| eoli3n | so i differ it at startup | 07:53 |
| eoli3n | and now i can't even install a pacakge at startup | 07:53 |
| eoli3n | guys | 07:53 |
| eoli3n | seriously ?? | 07:53 |
| eoli3n | s/can/can't | 07:53 |
| eoli3n | my playbook is 500 tasks | 07:54 |
| eoli3n | it plays with a lot of packages, configurations, daemons | 07:54 |
| eoli3n | no other tools is problematic | 07:54 |
| eoli3n | the only problem is snap | 07:55 |
| eoli3n | snap and snap again | 07:55 |
| mup | PR snapd#12080 opened: overlord: track security profiles for non-active snaps <Bug> <Created by pedronis> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12080> | 08:13 |
| eoli3n | if i test on snapd.service instead of socket, it seems to wait without end | 08:18 |
| eoli3n | ok, does snapd depend on graphical.target ? | 08:19 |
| eoli3n | it would be very funny | 08:19 |
| eoli3n | mardy i run ansible-pull before lightdm service | 08:24 |
| eoli3n | it seems that snapd service is never ready before lightdm | 08:25 |
| eoli3n | i can't identify the constraint | 08:25 |
| eoli3n | but if i pkill ansible-pull then lightdm shows up and snapd becomes instantly ready | 08:25 |
| eoli3n | probleme is that ansible-pull needs snapd to be ready to be able to install packages | 08:25 |
| eoli3n | lets move firefox install to flatpak too. Then i remove snapd, that shit is simply not working | 08:30 |
| lissyx | eoli3n, you might hit more problem with flatpak | 08:33 |
| eoli3n | i don't have any problem with any flatpak | 08:33 |
| eoli3n | i install many | 08:33 |
| lissyx | I mean the firefox one | 08:34 |
| eoli3n | maybe, but at least i can install it | 08:34 |
| eoli3n | automate the deployment* | 08:34 |
| lissyx | I have not followed what issues you have with it | 08:34 |
| lissyx | just warning you that you might end up with bugs that are fixed on snap | 08:35 |
| eoli3n | huhu | 08:35 |
| eoli3n | i hear it as a troll | 08:35 |
| lissyx | ? | 08:36 |
| eoli3n | what kind of problem do you talk about for exemple ? | 08:36 |
| lissyx | I have no example | 08:36 |
| eoli3n | that's what i talk about | 08:36 |
| eoli3n | "bugs that are fixed on snap" : no exemple then ? | 08:37 |
| eoli3n | because i can tell you much bugs that snap introduce that flatpak doesn't have | 08:37 |
| eoli3n | choose your hand | 08:38 |
| lissyx | eoli3n, this is not constructive | 08:38 |
| eoli3n | what is not constructive ? | 08:38 |
| eoli3n | i explained ealier what are my problem | 08:38 |
| eoli3n | s | 08:38 |
| lissyx | I'm actively working on fixing firefox/snap | 08:38 |
| lissyx | I dont have time to also focus on flatpak | 08:38 |
| lissyx | so I am saying it is possible some issues due to running into those environemnt might have been fixed on Snap and not on Flatpak | 08:39 |
| eoli3n | saying that much work has been done on firefox snap package without beeing able to give at least one example is not constructive too | 08:39 |
| eoli3n | possible yes | 08:39 |
| lissyx | eoli3n https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=1665641&hide_resolved=0 | 08:40 |
| eoli3n | but i can't even deploy firefox package with ansible-pull on my 800 hosts | 08:40 |
| lissyx | I'll let you go through it? | 08:40 |
| lissyx | there are still way too many issues, but so much we can't reproduce and investigate ... | 08:40 |
| eoli3n | huhu, my guess is that most of those bugs are introduced by the snapd architecture | 08:40 |
| eoli3n | that flatpak doesnt even hit | 08:40 |
| lissyx | maybe | 08:41 |
| lissyx | maybe not | 08:41 |
| eoli3n | maybe is the word yes | 08:41 |
| lissyx | there are quite some that are reported on both sides. | 08:41 |
| lissyx | and how many for which we dont know because there's so much less users of flatpak | 08:41 |
| eoli3n | i'm not into downing snaps for pleasure | 08:41 |
| eoli3n | i would use firefox snap package | 08:41 |
| eoli3n | but i'm migrating my infrastructure to ubuntu 22.04, and i need it to be done in next 5h | 08:42 |
| eoli3n | then i hit the ultime snapd problem | 08:42 |
| eoli3n | i can't install them with ansible-pull | 08:42 |
| lissyx | I was just mentionning that if your problem is deployment, you might want to verify first the level of stability of the flatpak | 08:42 |
| lissyx | maybe you will discover it is more broken than then snap for your usage | 08:42 |
| eoli3n | i had the same problem 2 years ago with chromium | 08:43 |
| eoli3n | apt install chromium resulted in snap install chromium | 08:43 |
| eoli3n | and the same story | 08:43 |
| eoli3n | impossible to run chromium with nfs mounted home | 08:43 |
| lissyx | is this unfixable by design ? | 08:43 |
| eoli3n | lot of time and work both side with snapcraft and finally moved to flatpak | 08:44 |
| eoli3n | never had a problem with it | 08:44 |
| lissyx | but maybe there are more people fixing chromium's flatpak | 08:44 |
| eoli3n | the problem is not chromium, it is snap | 08:44 |
| lissyx | https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=1278719&hide_resolved=1 | 08:45 |
| lissyx | flatpak meta bug | 08:45 |
| eoli3n | 224 versus 54 | 08:45 |
| lissyx | notice the hide_resolved= | 08:46 |
| lissyx | https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=1665641&hide_resolved=1 | 08:46 |
| lissyx | current state is 68 to 54 | 08:46 |
| eoli3n | it looks like systemd versus runit for exemple | 08:46 |
| eoli3n | snapd is overcomplex, that is the failure | 08:46 |
| eoli3n | more complexity had more bugs | 08:47 |
| eoli3n | that's subjective | 08:47 |
| eoli3n | anyway, if someone shows up here to help me to solve that ansible deployment problem, i would stick with firefox on snap | 08:48 |
| eoli3n | as is, i just can't deploy it so... | 08:48 |
| lissyx | eoli3n, two minutes on the list, already three bugs that are just dupes from the snap work as well | 08:49 |
| lissyx | https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1764700 | 08:50 |
| lissyx | reported against flatpak, same root cause as of the snap report, it's not because of snapd | 08:50 |
| lissyx | eoli3n, if you are really in a deadend, why not switching to our binaries? | 08:50 |
| lissyx | either tarball or ppa? | 08:50 |
| eoli3n | i didn't know there was a ppa | 08:51 |
| eoli3n | that's a better option | 08:51 |
| eoli3n | lets check | 08:51 |
| eoli3n | thanks | 08:51 |
| eoli3n | which one should i use to have the current stable version ? | 08:52 |
| lissyx | ppa , | 08:53 |
| lissyx | ? | 08:53 |
| eoli3n | ppa:mozillateam/ppa ? | 08:53 |
| eoli3n | yes | 08:53 |
| lissyx | yes I think so | 08:53 |
| eoli3n | lets test | 08:54 |
| mardy | Support for NFS and other remote FS is in the works. The reason why it doesn't work now is that snaps are run by executing a setuid binary, snap-confine, which tries to read the current directory, and that fails on most remote FS (for security reason they don't allow root access) | 09:00 |
| mardy | we are migrating away from setuid, and use Linux capabilities instead | 09:00 |
| mardy | but it's not a trivial task | 09:00 |
| mardy | bug 1973321 | 09:02 |
| mup | Bug #1973321: snaps don't start when current working directory is on sshfs <snapd:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1973321> | 09:02 |
| eoli3n | mardy its working now, i don't know how | 09:02 |
| eoli3n | but that's ok | 09:02 |
| eoli3n | lissyx the funny thing is, i added the ppa, but as ubuntu wrap firefox package with apt to install with snap, i don't know how to force install from ppa | 09:02 |
| eoli3n | mardy, could you help about the snapd at startup problem ? | 09:03 |
| eoli3n | not sure i exposed it in the clearest way | 09:04 |
| eoli3n | lissyx found a doc about not using the snap package : https://doc.ubuntu-fr.org/firefox#installer_firefox_en_deb_classique_au_lieu_de_snap | 09:04 |
| eoli3n | in french, perfect | 09:04 |
| lissyx | eoli3n, is this some enterprise deployment? | 09:06 |
| eoli3n | french university | 09:06 |
| lissyx | if so, you might want to make sure you block auto-updates, and this might be complicated with the ppa | 09:06 |
| lissyx | which one? | 09:06 |
| eoli3n | Montpellier | 09:06 |
| lissyx | ok it's far enough you wont come to complain :D | 09:07 |
| eoli3n | huhu | 09:07 |
| eoli3n | you saw that complaining on IRC is in my skills | 09:07 |
| eoli3n | ;) | 09:07 |
| eoli3n | lissyx how to block auto-updates ? | 09:08 |
| lissyx | pretty sure we have some doc on that but I dont know where | 09:08 |
| eoli3n | lissyx even funnier, firefox snap package is defaulty install, so i need to be able to remove it with ansible | 09:08 |
| eoli3n | then i hit my snapd not ready problem | 09:08 |
| lissyx | https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/products/firefox-enterprise/deploy-firefox-for-enterprise | 09:09 |
| eoli3n | thanks ! | 09:09 |
| lissyx | how do you provision your ubuntu base system? | 09:09 |
| lissyx | mardy, so for speech-dispatcher socket, where should I add it? | 09:14 |
| eoli3n | boot pxe on a nfsroot with the iso installer extracted, preseed install, chroot -> ansible-pull, then reboot, ansible-pull again with apps installation enables | 09:14 |
| eoli3n | enabled | 09:14 |
| lissyx | desktop.go ? | 09:14 |
| lissyx | well during the preseed you can probably uninstall firefox snap? | 09:14 |
| eoli3n | i don't think so, that's my i split my ansible-pull runs : snapd is not running in chroot, because systemd is not running in chroot | 09:14 |
| eoli3n | s/my/why | 09:16 |
| lissyx | mardy, ok seb128 reminded me about at-spi one, I'm going to do it next to it | 09:17 |
| eoli3n | ah !!! | 09:21 |
| eoli3n | https://0x0.st/o90v.txt | 09:21 |
| eoli3n | why waiting for multi-user.target !! | 09:21 |
| eoli3n | lets disable this | 09:22 |
| eoli3n | and then i found this !! in my playbook | 09:23 |
| eoli3n | https://0x0.st/o90w.txt | 09:23 |
| eoli3n | facepalm | 09:23 |
| mup | PR snapd#12081 opened: Bug 1787245 - Grant access to speech-dispatcher socket <Created by lissyx> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12081> | 09:23 |
| eoli3n | that's something we put with mardy to solve my firefox issue | 09:23 |
| eoli3n | lets remove this | 09:25 |
| eoli3n | ok, that fixed the nfs home autodetection, if i remove it snapd will not detect that autofs use nfs for home | 09:26 |
| mup | PR snapd#12065 closed: store/tooling: support using snapcraft v7+ base64-encoded auth data <Squash-merge> <snap-revision-delegation> <Created by pedronis> <Merged by pedronis> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12065> | 09:33 |
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| mup | PR snapd#12082 opened: tests: remove NESTED_IMAGE_ID from nested manual tests <Run nested> <Created by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12082> | 12:39 |
| mup | PR snapcraft#3887 closed: store: support status for an onprem store <Created by sergiusens> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3887> | 12:43 |
| eoli3n | lissyx this problem will never end | 13:12 |
| eoli3n | the ppa kicked us | 13:12 |
| lissyx | kicked us ? | 13:12 |
| eoli3n | as i automate many host that add it in the same time | 13:13 |
| eoli3n | it timeouts now | 13:13 |
| eoli3n | so i think my public subnet was banned or something | 13:13 |
| lissyx | just use the tarball and follow the doc to disable autoupdate ? | 13:13 |
| lissyx | or it's just infra failure, it happens | 13:13 |
| eoli3n | i don't need to disable autoupdate | 13:14 |
| eoli3n | i use unnatended upgrade so | 13:14 |
| lissyx | I'm referring to firefox' | 13:14 |
| eoli3n | yes, but as said, i use unattended upgrade for firefox package on the ppa | 13:16 |
| eoli3n | i want it to be as up to date as possible | 13:16 |
| lissyx | you just said PPA is blocked now | 13:16 |
| eoli3n | it timed out during the install process, replaying it on only one host worked | 13:17 |
| eoli3n | maybe that's a ddos protection or something | 13:17 |
| lissyx | so I'm just suggesting to move to the tarball we distribute instead of usign the ppa | 13:17 |
| lissyx | and doing so, you might want to disable autoupdate in the firefox install | 13:18 |
| eoli3n | i don't want static installations | 13:18 |
| lissyx | eoli3n, static? | 13:23 |
| mup | PR snapcraft#3884 closed: cli: parse http-proxy and https-proxy <Created by mr-cal> <Merged by mr-cal> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3884> | 13:28 |
| eoli3n | lissyx extracting a tarball is a static install, you can't upgrade it without manual intervention | 13:55 |
| ogra | doesnt the FF tarball install update itself ? | 14:01 |
| ogra | (via a built in mechanism in FF) | 14:01 |
| ahasenack | FF tarball does update itself | 14:03 |
| ogra | yeah, thought so ... | 14:04 |
| ahasenack | I have one place where it's extracted to ~/firefox, and I start it manually from there, and every now and then the shell CURDIR that is in that directory gets confused, because it was deleted an recreated | 14:06 |
| ahasenack | I have to cd -; cd - | 14:06 |
| ahasenack | then I know ff updated itself | 14:06 |
| ogra | well, i think it shows a popup too that you should restart (after it did the update) | 14:08 |
| * ogra is just gussing ... i do indeed use the snap | 14:09 | |
| ogra | *guessing | 14:09 |
| ogra | but i used to use the tarball some years ago and that was what it did | 14:09 |
| mup | PR snapd#12077 closed: tests: add extra space to ubuntu bionic <Simple 😃> <Created by sergiocazzolato> <Merged by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12077> | 14:40 |
| mup | PR snapcraft#3875 closed: providers: delete instances via Executor object <Created by mr-cal> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3875> | 17:23 |
| mup | PR snapcraft#3888 opened: Hotfix/7.1.2 merge <Created by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3888> | 17:38 |
| mup | PR snapd#12082 closed: tests: remove NESTED_IMAGE_ID from nested manual tests <Run nested> <Created by sergiocazzolato> <Merged by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12082> | 17:56 |
| mup | PR snapcraft#3873 closed: cli: add backwards compatible log enablement for LP <Created by sergiusens> <Closed by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3873> | 18:48 |
| mup | PR snapcraft#3889 opened: cli: add legacy envvar for login and check stdin <Created by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3889> | 18:53 |
| mup | PR snapcraft#3882 closed: Write passthrough to meta data and add some missing fields <Created by valentindavid> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3882> | 20:23 |
| mup | PR snapcraft#3888 closed: Hotfix/7.1.2 merge <Created by sergiusens> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3888> | 20:23 |
| mup | PR snapcraft#3867 closed: DT-500 Fix Cups for Gtk support in Gnome-42 <Created by sergio-costas> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3867> | 20:48 |
| mup | PR snapcraft#3886 closed: ua: specify and enable ua services <Created by cmatsuoka> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3886> | 21:03 |
| mup | PR pc-amd64-gadget#68 closed: Increase boot partition size for classic gadget <Created by jawn-smith> <Closed by jawn-smith> <https://github.com/snapcore/pc-amd64-gadget/pull/68> | 21:16 |
| mup | PR snapcraft#3889 closed: cli: add legacy envvar for login and check stdin <Created by sergiusens> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3889> | 22:23 |
| mup | PR snapcraft#3890 opened: ua: enable ua services in legacy <Created by cmatsuoka> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3890> | 22:33 |
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