[03:25] <teward[m]> *leaves a salt grenade in the corner for when Eickmeyer returns*
[03:33] <Eickmeyer[m]> Ooooo! Salt! *seasons his french fries with it*
[03:33] <Eickmeyer[m]> teward: What's up?
[03:35] <Eickmeyer[m]> Oh, nevermind. I see you *finally* accepted my invitation.
[03:38] <teward[m]> ye, well fun fact
[03:38] <teward[m]> copying data from one laptop to another is pain
[03:38] <teward[m]> especially when you have to take apart the OLD system, clean the NVMe drive of the soda stickies that broke the old one and brought it closer to its end, INSTALL the second NVMe stick into the new laptop...
[03:39] <Eickmeyer[m]> YIKES!
[03:39] <teward[m]> SHRINK the filesystem on the old NVMe from the old system, SHRINK the lvm2 partition...
[03:39] <teward[m]> ...MAKE SURE everything is in differently named VGs so LVM doesn't barf...
[03:39] <teward[m]> .. and then get everything functional again
[03:39] <teward[m]> oh, and changing my PGP keys, because smartcards are pain
[03:39] <Eickmeyer[m]> Ok, that makes my CPU cooler pump dying not seem so painful.
[03:39] <teward[m]> ye but i have a BRAND NEW laptop
[03:40] <teward[m]> and it has two NVMe slots, so it came with a 1TB I ordered.
[03:40] <teward[m]> I put the old machine's 1TB in
[03:40] <teward[m]> and it's humming
[03:40] <Eickmeyer[m]> Oh cool!
[03:40] <teward[m]> but ye i was just being annoying like I normally am
[03:40] <teward[m]> ... without being too much of a nuisance ;)
[03:40] <Eickmeyer[m]> hehe
[03:41] <Eickmeyer[m]> Yeah, I knew something was off when my CPU started throttling for no good reason. Checked the temps... 90 degrees and steady across all cores.
[03:41] <Eickmeyer[m]> Pump wasn't running, even though it was supposedly pegged.
[03:42] <teward[m]> well i will say this: kudos to Dell for having a laptop that works OUT OF THE BOX with latest Linux
[03:42] <teward[m]> (intel iris xe graphics also means i still get good graphics but don't need the extra crap of the nVidia card)
[03:43] <Eickmeyer[m]> Oh yeah. I love that about the Kubuntu Focus XE that I have (even though it's the prototype and the keys aren't exactly labeled correctly due to experimentation). Iris XE is nice.
[03:43] <teward[m]> yes, and it's a good thing it's out of the box kernel support heh
[03:44] <Eickmeyer[m]> Yeah, that's a great thing.
[03:44] <teward[m]> the USB-C only thing though.........
[03:44] <teward[m]> not the best.
[03:44] <teward[m]> because now i need to get my keys (re)signed for Debian again and switched on on debian keyring
[03:44] <teward[m]> (because old GPG key on USB-A card is... mbweogqneig on USB-C)
[03:45] <Eickmeyer[m]> Oh, we just released a desktop NUC with Iris Xe graphics: https://kfocus.org/spec/spec-nx.html
[03:45] <teward> cool so you can send me one for free to trial run it into the ground until it burns xD
[03:46] <teward> loljk
[03:46] <Eickmeyer[m]> HAHAHAHA I'd have to talk to Mike about that. XD
[03:46] <Eickmeyer[m]> Do you have a USB-A to C adapter?
[03:47] <teward> ye but something about the A-to-C adapter the yubikey system doesn't like.
[03:47] <teward> the advantage here though is
[03:47] <teward> the original key isn't dead, and is still secure
[03:47] <teward> ... i just need a DD to sign the new key, so I can go through the replacement procedure.
[03:47] <teward> maybe i'll bother Robie...
[03:47] <Eickmeyer[m]> Try flipping it.
[03:47] <teward> also yes i've got like 6 chat system windows here
[03:48] <teward> so i'm hopping xD
[03:48] <Eickmeyer[m]> Haha, yeah, I do that from time to time.
[03:48] <Eickmeyer[m]> Seriously though, USB 2.0 only works one-way with USB C for some weird reason.
[03:53] <teward> i think this is 3.0 though
[04:05] <Eickmeyer[m]> Strange. I thought Youbikeys were 2.0. \
[04:43] <teward> oh the adapter has worked in both directions - the adapter is designed to be an OTG adapter
[04:43] <teward> and works *fine* in either orientation
[04:43] <teward> it's just something stupid about the fact it's going via an adapter that 22.04 doesn't like
[04:43] <teward> anyways, sleep time is upon me.  </offline>
[14:49] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer[m]: Just looking at your "M2". In particular the processor with 14 cores and 20 threads.
[14:50] <OvenWerks> While I do not have the money to buy such a machine (2.5k+ is out of range), The fact that at least some of the cores are single thread is interesting.
[14:52] <OvenWerks> I guess my question is along the lines of: how easy is it to run a set of applications on the 8c/8t side of things only?
[14:54] <RikMills> I am curious if that is even possible, as I have an M2 now
[14:55] <OvenWerks> RikMills: I think it is possible, basically start a pocess that grabs a set of cores and all it's sub processes will also run on those cores
[14:56] <OvenWerks> This is not optimal really as splitting the GUI threads from real time threads would do even better
[14:57] <OvenWerks> but it is better than having a real time thread sharing a core with something else via hyperthread
[15:01] <OvenWerks> I think a lot of it depends on Intel's reasoning for splitting it's core complement up in this fashion.
[15:02] <OvenWerks> A lot of the real time linux kernel code comes from Intel
[15:10] <Eickmeyer[m]> OvenWerks: 2.5k? The NX is only $695 USD.
[15:11] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer[m]: The M2, the 2k5 would be CAD
[15:13] <Eickmeyer[m]> Right. To be fair, it's a very, very nice machine. I have an M1, which is older obviously, but is definitely a good machine.
[15:13] <Eickmeyer[m]> But the XE and NX are good too. I've successfully run real-time processes on the XE, which spec-wise, is identical to the NX in many ways, just in laptop form.
[15:14]  * OvenWerks is not judging a price point, just pointing out real life :)
[15:14] <Eickmeyer[m]> Yeah, that's fair.
[15:15] <Eickmeyer[m]> The CPU cooler on my self-built desktop machine died yesterday, so I'm back to using my M1 as my main machine.
[15:16] <OvenWerks> The M1 is not listed on the web page.
[15:16] <Eickmeyer[m]> No, the M1 was succeeded by the M2. The M2 is currently in its 4th generation.
[15:16]  * OvenWerks thinks "M1" is confusing... there is an Apple M1 too
[15:17] <Eickmeyer[m]> To be fair, KFocus had M1 first.
[15:18] <OvenWerks> and to be fair, apple, with their ability to be creative could have come up with a real name.
[15:18] <Eickmeyer[m]> RIGHT???
[15:19] <Eickmeyer[m]> M1 and M2 were meant to be "Mark I" and "Mark II", but internal vernacular kept going "Model 1" and "Model 2" so we were like, "Screw it."
[18:19] <BrianHechinger[m> Eickmeyer: What pump? I really need to take mine apart and clean it, but I keep putting it off hoping I'll magically get the money to buy the GPU block and second radiator. :-D
[18:20] <BrianHechinger[m> Also, the M2 does look pretty dope.
[19:05] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer[m]: Interesting, the i7-12700H single thread cores are called Efficiency-cores (refering to the M2). While the 6 HT cores are called Performance-cores.
[19:07] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer[m]: Interesting, the i7-12700H single thread cores are called Efficiency-cores (refering to the M2). While the 6 HT cores are called Performance-cores.
[19:07] <OvenWerks> opps.
[19:10] <OvenWerks> considering we turn off boost for real time anyway. That is not much of a sacrifice. Getting jackd to run on one of the Efficiency-cores or a few might work out really well. Jackd works by callbacks.
 "Eickmeyer: What pump? I really..." <- The coolant pump on my CPU cooler.
[19:45] <Eickmeyer[m]> OvenWerks: Honestly, I've had more latency and more xruns when turning off boost and running it on performance. It pegs the processor at full speed.
[19:46] <BrianHechinger[m> Eickmeyer[m]: Yes, what model silly. :-D
[19:47] <Eickmeyer[m]> BrianHechinger[m: Oh, it was a generic all-in-one liquid cooler. I went for a Cooler Master this time around to replace it.
[19:47] <Eickmeyer[m]> Let me see f I can get the info.
[19:49] <BrianHechinger[m> AIOs are easy. I'm regretting not using them this time around. :-D
[19:50] <Eickmeyer[m]> Yeah. I liked it. Ran OK for a year and then yesterday I noticed thermal throttling with 90C temperatures pegged. The system couldn't sense any RPMs from the pump, so that told me it was done.
[19:51] <BrianHechinger[m> only a year, ouch.
[19:52] <Eickmeyer[m]> Yeah.
[19:52] <teward[m]> Eickmeyer[m]: so basically you were trying to save cash and failed :p
[19:52] <Eickmeyer[m]> teward[m]: Correct.
[19:52] <teward[m]> *scolds @Eickmeyer for obvious reasons*
[19:52] <BrianHechinger[m> I have an EK Phoenix MLC on the 1080 that's now in the kid's computer. I've had that thing for 5 years now and it still runs great. :-D
[19:53] <Eickmeyer[m]> teward[m]: Hey, this time I went Cooler Master, which is a way better brand than the generic one.
[19:53] <teward[m]> truth
[19:53] <teward[m]> but i will still scold you for not doing that in the first place xD
[19:54] <BrianHechinger[m> Good man, teward. Don't let him off easy. :-D
[19:54] <Eickmeyer[m]> I will say the Cooler Master this time is only a few $$ more than the generic now. A year ago... nope.
[19:55] <teward[m]> Brian Hechinger oh, Eickmeyer here knows that I'm one of the people who won't let him off easy :P
[19:55] <teward[m]> he also knows i'm chaotic so :p
[19:56] <BrianHechinger[m> perfect! :)
[19:57] <Eickmeyer[m]> And likewise. teward knows that he has to be able to take what he dishes.
[19:57] <teward[m]> which is where the Chaotic part comes in ;)
[19:57] <teward[m]> *sips on his coffee*
[19:59] <Eickmeyer[m]> Brian Hechinger: teward is a bit overcaffienated, which is where the chaos comes from.
[19:59] <teward[m]> heheheh
[19:59] <teward[m]> caffeine is my lifeblood.
[19:59] <teward[m]> prick me and i bleed coffee not blood
[19:59] <BrianHechinger[m> Overcaffeinated LYFE
[20:00] <Eickmeyer[m]> It works great until you get diagnosed with chronic migraines. (yes, that's me).
[20:00] <BrianHechinger[m> My wife has those
[20:00] <BrianHechinger[m> That's rough
[20:00] <Eickmeyer[m]> Yeah. It does some weird stuff.
[20:01] <BrianHechinger[m> My wife never got auras until after she got pregnant with our second child. Now she gets them so bad she is practically blind in one eye. Before that though it was just the pain.
[20:02] <Eickmeyer[m]> Oh boy. Yeah, never got auras. I just get stabbing, localized pain randomly, and just constant pain everywhere else if left unchecked.
[20:03] <BrianHechinger[m> she misses those days. :-D
[20:05] <Eickmeyer[m]> My wife, when she got migraines, it looks like she's having a seizure.
[20:07] <BrianHechinger[m> that has to be scary
[20:10] <BrianHechinger[m> Ugh, why is synapse giving me such a hard time. Maybe I'll just wait for dendrite. :-D
[20:21] <Eickmeyer[m]> Brian Hechinger: synapse? dendrite? I feel like I should know what these are, but they're escaping me atm.
[20:54] <arraybolt3[m]> Eickmeyer: Man, that sounds crummy.
[20:55] <arraybolt3[m]> OvenWerks: If you really wanted to give Intel 12th gen a try, you might look at Framework laptops - they're fairly cheap (a lot cheaper than an M2, that's for sure) and at least looks like they have good specs behind them.
[20:56]  * arraybolt3[m] slaps teward with a custom-made super smacker set to 700 RPM
[21:22] <BrianHechinger[m> Eickmeyer: Matrix servers
[21:22] <BrianHechinger[m> Friend of mine got a framework. He really likes it.
[21:23] <Eickmeyer[m]> Brian Hechinger: Ah. teward and To Setto Setto (UTC+2) are running their own.
[21:24] <teward[m]> > * <@arraybolt3:matrix.org> slaps teward with a custom-made super smacker set to 700 RPM
[21:24] <teward[m]> *slaps arraybolt3 with an orbital strike package that hits them at mach 4*
[21:24]  * arraybolt3 scolds teward[m] for using Matrix
[21:26] <teward[m]> *yawns* i have better things to do than fight right now.  Like sleep, I'm tired.
[21:26] <BrianHechinger[m> I'm using hosted at EMS and I want to stop paying for it now that I have this fairly powerful and reasonably cheap kubernetes cluster to put things in.
[22:27] <OvenWerks> arraybolt3[m]: Only idle musing. To be honest, I am not sure what the best kind of cpu for audio is any more. However, just thinking about how one might make one or two cores work for audio while leaving everything else go has given me some ideas that might work with any processor.
[22:37] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer[m]: performance pegs the cpu at full speed yes but it should have lower cpu use. I don't know about the AMD chip but I have done pretty good with performance/no boost here. I have been able to run jack at 16/2 (.7ms) with no xruns over three days.
[22:38] <arraybolt3[m]> Eickmeyer: How much testing has been being done on Studio Focal? Would you like me to take on testing on that end in preparation for the point release?
[22:38] <Eickmeyer[m]> OvenWerks: When I'm running Ardour or Mixbus, I usually do pretty well by setting it to all but one CPU, which is the default.
[22:38] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer[m]: I do only have single thread cores which does make a difference. In the days of performance/ondemand, performance actually used less power than ondemend
[22:39] <Eickmeyer[m]> arraybolt3: I haven't been able to get to it with my hardware issues, meetings, and dayjob.
[22:40] <arraybolt3[m]> OK. I'll do a bit of virtualized smoke testing real quick, and will take on the brunt of the testing once the RC ISOs start popping up.
[22:40] <Eickmeyer[m]> OvenWerks: My M1 has 6 dual thread cores, my desktop machine has 8 single-thread cores and has much lower latency, but does tend to lag without the intel boost.
[22:41] <Eickmeyer[m]> arraybolt3[m]: Sounds good. Remember, that one is Xfce, so expect it to feel different.
[22:43] <OvenWerks> ah right, I was going to fire up my focal partition and update it but I think mine is Studio on top of kubuntu
[22:44] <OvenWerks> (for focal)
[22:46] <OvenWerks> With Ardour/MB, depending on the track layout, the audio may all be one one core anyway, with the other cores being used for gui and other non-realtime threads
[22:46] <Eickmeyer[m]> OvenWerks: iirc, it is.
[22:47] <OvenWerks> Ardour generally runs 30 some odd threads.
[22:48] <Eickmeyer[m]> That would require some deep inspection. When I'm looking at htop while running MB or Ardour, it is running several threads and they're all over the cores.
[22:49] <OvenWerks> yeah it may not be too picky about non-RT threads