[00:00] Guest47: so you're reporting that an ubuntu 22.04.0 - or .1 ? - "minimal" installation with the default ubuntu desktop (?) installer with integrated intel graphics (nothing else?) can, with some, undisclosed (!) hardware / firmware will not draw a firefox application window properly, on a Wayland session only, not on X? [00:01] - "can" [00:05] With the default 22.04.1 live usb, Firefox launches. After installing to disk and updating/upgrading with apt, the minimal installation selected from the installer, Firefox/Kicad does not launch under Wayland, unless Firefox environment variable MOZ_ENABLE_WAYLAND is set. Intel integrated graphics, i915, GMA950. [00:06] logging in with xorg session did work. [00:07] Not asking for any help, I am satisfied with it now on xorg. [00:50] hi === miles is now known as mileselite === M4he is now known as mahe === Scotty_Trees2 is now known as Scotty_Trees === kucklehadenough is now known as kucklehasdied [03:05] hello [03:37] 220 [05:00] y0y0y0y0 anyone waiting for help with ubuntu package installation type stuff? === OpenSource is now known as linux [05:25] test [05:41] If I'm on 22.04 LTS which is on the 5.15 kernel, and I want to use the hid_nintendo driver that wasn't mainlined until 5.16, would you recommend I install the driver by compiling the dkms-hid-nintendo driver off github and stay on 5.15 or install a new kernel off the ppa mainline installer? I can't evaluate the pros and cons of either solution. [05:46] if you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice [05:46] kandinsk1: you got a bug ID on that? [05:51] lotuspsychje: no bug ID, because it's not a bug: 22.04 LTS is sticking with 15.5, and the driver I want was mainlined in kernel versions 5.16 and up. [05:52] kandinsk1: i found something on debian, https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=986350 [05:52] Debian bug 986350 in wnpp "ITP: hid-nintendo-dkms -- Nintendo HID kernel module" [Wishlist, Open] [05:52] oh interesting [05:52] lotuspsychje: thanks, learnt something. [05:52] Still, there are two ways I can get this working today, and this is a wishlist ticket, not really a bug. [05:53] Just installed debian testing. [05:53] well the way i see it, if something doesnt work on ubuntu by default it can be considered as a bug/wishlist [05:53] I forgot the third option, which was upgrading to 22.10 when it comes out. [05:53] letting the devs know it doesnt work is a first step [05:54] You can try that know kandinsk1. [05:54] Install devel version. Or rolling rhino. [05:54] think it still has kernel 5.15 in this stage [05:54] Troo. [05:54] yes, that's option three, but I'd rather stay with LTS for now. [05:54] I'll use the mainline kernel installer. Will report back. [05:55] great plan [05:55] gold star [05:55] kandinsk1: mainline kernels are good for testing purposes, best not for daily use [05:55] lotuspsychje: I can boot on it for gaming, then reboot on regular kernel for work. [05:55] thats an idea yeah [05:55] enigma9o7[m]: thanks, good luck with debian testing! [05:57] i would bug it if i was you kandinsk1 [05:58] lotuspsychje: fair enough [05:58] kandinsk1: did you have an url saying its implemented in 5.16? [05:58] but it's mainline in 5.16, so it's a matter of taking 5.16 in [05:59] I looked into it yesterday [05:59] waitasec [05:59] tnx [05:59] reddit link for now: https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/safllb/til_the_kernel_newest_5162_has_added_support_for/ [06:00] I don't reddit [06:02] https://cdn.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v5.x/ChangeLog-5.16 [06:03] It's not in 5.15.63 that I know [06:04] ok tnx and cool kandinsk1 [06:05] kandinsk1: another option could be jammy HWE when it comes out [06:05] !hwe [06:05] The Ubuntu LTS enablement stacks provide newer kernel and X support for existing LTS releases, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack [06:05] oh, thanks! [06:05] so you get a higher kernel then 5.15 on jammy [06:09] No. [06:09] Not today. [06:09] Those hwe updates come when the 6-month versions get their kernels. [06:10] So wait til Halloween. === _miruoy is now known as miruoy [08:09] when i install wallpapers package from older ubuntu versions from synaptic, wallpapers from debian installs with them? [08:10] supercool1: Were you able to solve the problem? [08:13] as far as i can remember ubuntu does not ship wallpapers from debian? === pah is now known as pa [08:17] i still can't figure out why systemctl enable gdm3 doesn't work [08:18] i guess the update did break a few things [08:47] laguna: checkout stacer to manage your systemd services GUI [08:47] !info stacer | laguna [08:47] laguna: stacer (1.1.0+ds-1, jammy): Linux system optimizer and monitoring. In component universe, is optional. Built by stacer. Size 604 kB / 1,358 kB [08:47] !uptodate | laguna and check for apt errors too [08:47] laguna and check for apt errors too: To ensure you have all the latest known patches and security updates for your ubuntu installation, please update with the following command: `sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade`. See also !upgrades and !security; you may also need to run `apt full-upgrade`. [08:49] ok lotuspsychje and ubottu [08:57] ubottu i tried all those and still i get the error [08:57] Executing: /lib/systemd/systemd-sysv-install enable gdm3 [08:57] The unit files have no installation config (WantedBy=, RequiredBy=, Also=, [08:57] Alias= settings in the [Install] section, and DefaultInstance= for template [08:57] units). This means they are not meant to be enabled using systemctl. [08:59] also 1 other error..aptly is not upgradable [09:09] this is what aptly does report [09:10] aptly version [09:10] aptly version: unknown === cai is now known as cai72 [09:15] use a pastebin please laguna for sharing your apt errors [09:15] lotuspsychje..ok where is pastebin [09:15] !paste [09:15] For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use https://dpaste.com | To post !screenshots use https://imgur.com/ !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic. [09:18] ubottu ok i made a note of the urls [09:33] CIAO [09:34] 1list === diskin is now known as Guest5115 [09:54] How can i stock the result of wget -qO - https://api.ipify.org to a var to execute directly after my function which locate ip ? [09:55] Hi eveyrone, I have a noob question. After upgrading from 20.04 to 22.04, python cannot be found anymore. Should I reinstall it? [09:55] try: python3.10 [09:55] :> [09:55] yeah thanks AlexC [09:56] python3 should be enough [09:56] I'll set the default one with update-alternatives [09:56] h4k1m0u: what does: 'ls /usr/bin | grep python' print? [09:56] you can install "python" [09:56] that should create the symlink from python to python3 [09:57] magga; it prints: python2, python2.7, python3.7 (no symlink indeed) [09:57] Any ideas for my question ? [09:57] sorry python3.10 [09:58] SoCkEt7, MYIP=`wget -qO - https://api.ipify.org`; echo $MYIP === diskin_ is now known as diskin [09:59] there is also #bash [10:00] Thanks will try this. === kucklehasdied is now known as kucklehasalive === kucklehasalive is now known as kuckleisalive === kuckleisalive is now known as kucklehasdiedaga === kucklehasdiedaga is now known as kucklehead [11:39] hi [12:17] Hi all [12:19] Hello. === fling_ is now known as fling [13:30] is zfs in ubuntu as efficient as in fbsd? [13:38] linsux: what do you mean by efficient? [13:38] it's literally the same codebase [13:38] does zfs pick os? [13:39] it depends on how you compile it === _justin_kelly6 is now known as _justin_kelly [13:39] but they should be the same [13:41] ok [13:43] linsux: ZFS will work on both linux and freebsd very similarly. It even works on MacOS and to some degree Windows [13:44] ubuntu ships zfs, unlike most of the other distros, so you can more reliably use it for booting off of, but in my opinion, the ubuntu installer does weird things when you chose root on zfs. [13:44] (you can install it manually though if you dare) [13:44] i'm thinking about photo video storage of zfs [13:44] zfs is available via DKMS as well, if you want a newer version than shipped, but then you have to deal with dkms [13:44] about 100gb a year at most [13:45] that's quite tiny. [13:45] and you need to disable the integrated zfs module [13:45] presumably you want that for reliability? [13:45] yah so maybe i don't need raid? [13:45] reliablitiy yes [13:45] zfs can provide reliability for local storage [13:45] but the reliability of zfs is against hardware failure, corruption and so on [13:45] what about btrfs? i see it not much diff from zfs except for raid [13:46] you still should consider getting backups [13:46] btrfs is junk. [13:46] you can't use it anywhere other than linux, because it's not designed to be portable [13:46] cbreak: it is not [13:46] maybe a topic for #ubuntu-discuss ? [13:46] and idk how often I switched the OS above the raid system oO [13:46] yeah [13:46] you can't upgrade it independently of the kernel, since it is part of the kernel [13:46] murmel: I switched to ubuntu. [13:46] from MacOS. [13:47] worked ok. [13:47] I could have switched my freebsd pool to ubuntu too, if I hadn't used GELI encryption there [13:47] please keep the channel free for support issues guys [13:48] polls & discussions into the ot & discuss channel [13:48] support questions like needing support in chosing an OS / Filesystem? [13:48] or support questions like complaining about other people getting supported in their file system choice? :) [13:49] cbreak: linsux wanted to poll between zfs and fbsd that sounds like a poll/discussion to me rather then an ubuntu problem [13:51] i'm sorry i just thought ubuntu support zfs natively unlike other distros, so i asked in ubuntu channel [13:52] didn't mean to start some disagreement [13:52] Lets btrfs [13:52] ./join #ubuntu-discuss and talk all day about it : ) [13:52] lotuspsychje: See you in there! [13:55] ubuntu does ship zfs natively [13:55] it's one of the main reasons I chose ubuntu [13:55] cbreak: #ubuntu-discuss [13:55] We are talking about it now [14:02] ijf [14:02] ola [14:02] tem alguem [14:02] alguem do brasil [14:02] vamos teclar [14:09] no-one's talking about reiserfs any more [14:10] join the discussion in -discuss gordonjcp [14:19] lotuspsychje: I think he is still in priso [14:19] n [14:20] wez: he is, but the fs nowadays doesn't have enough "no other fs has these" features so nobody uses it [14:23] Reiser won't ever get out. [14:24] Five years ago I bought an HP OfficeJet 5740 through ThinkPenguin, and for quite some time I have been happy with a printer that Just Worked(tm). Unfortunately, sometime in the last couple of years, I've run into annoying issues of it suddenly not recognizing otherwise perfectly fine print cartridges or otherwise having issues with printing. I know hardware can fail, but is this the kind of thing I can blame a firmware update [14:24] on? As in, HP purposefully making an older printer less functional? [14:25] rob0: He made a good FS though even though he was a terrible husband. [14:25] I certainly would not be surprised if HP did make old printers fail. [14:25] I disagree with taken away someones achievements because they were committed of a crime, no matter waht it iwas [14:26] wez, yes, I liked reiserfs. [14:27] hey === cryocaustik4 is now known as cryocaustik [15:12] What is the right channel to seek support for the development release of Ubuntu? [15:13] !+1 | luis220413 [15:13] !next [15:13] Kinetic Kudu is the codename for Ubuntu 22.10. For technical support, see #ubuntu-next. For testing and QA feedback and help, see #ubuntu-quality. [15:15] I still don't understand why all the ubuntu server I installed, first boot will goes to /dev/sda1 clean, I need to use virtual console to get a login prompt [15:15] the installation itself obviously is okay [15:31] lkthomas: What did you expect instead of the console? [15:32] jhutchins it's not a normal console, no login prompt [15:32] I have to switch to tty2 to login === luis220413_ is now known as luis220413 [15:35] lkthomas: have you tried to hit enter on tty1? [15:35] yes nothing comes up [15:35] again, I have to use ctrl+alt+F to switch to another tty [15:36] lkthomas: which ubuntu release + point release is this? [15:36] 20.04 LTS [15:37] .0? [15:37] 20.04.4 LTS [15:38] and the default iso downloaded from ubuntu.com / official release mirrors? [15:38] if so, can you please bring this up in #ubuntu-server ? [15:38] shit, I think I know why [15:39] I have to remove grub splash and quiet [15:39] these two options screw it up [15:39] What alternatives exist to sendmail in the main component for 20.04 and 22.04? [15:41] lkthomas: and those are set by default, you say? [15:42] well yes [15:42] i guess it's still worth bringing it up in -server then [15:42] ok [15:43] be prepared to wait for a day or three to get a meaningful reply (may need to repeat the question). there are also mailing lists. if you prefer those. [15:45] luis220413: not much thats listed at https://packages.ubuntu.com/focal/mail/ is not also tagged [universe] [15:46] luis220413: see also; https://www.tecmint.com/best-mail-transfer-agents-mta-for-linux/ [15:47] i guess you have bsd-mailx, exim4, postfix and that's pretty much it [15:48] though bsd-mailx would be a MUA rather than an MTA. [15:56] rawr [15:57] luis220413: not much left: curl -s https://packages.ubuntu.com/focal/mail/ | grep '^

' | grep -vF '>universe<' | sed 's/^

]*>$[^<]*$<.*/\1/' [15:57] (yes, there's certainly a better way to extract this info ;-) ) [15:58] does anyone know why gdm3 won't enable with systemctl [15:59] laguna: which ubuntu release, what are you running, and why, and what'S the output? [15:59] use a pastebin, please [15:59] i posted it earlier...let me try to use a pastebin [16:00] i am running jammy jellyfish..to see if the new rosegarden version adds any new features [16:05] ok tom here is link of paste https://dpaste.com/9Q4FCNWBR [16:08] laguna: gdm would be active by default on ubuntu. how comes it isn't on your system? [16:08] tomreyn..don't ask me..that is why i asked about the problem [16:09] laguna: is this a standard installation of ubuntu 22.04? did you upgrade to it? are you running a different flavor? [16:09] can you post the url returned by: systemctl cat gdm3 |& nc termbin.com 9999 [16:10] i upgraded it...i was using a prior version where i changed something to stop the display manager so i could use startx...but gnome doesn't work well with startx only gdm3 === martums4647 is now known as martums464 [16:10] laguna, also the output of 'sudo dpgk-reconfigure gdm3' might be useful [16:11] ioria i tried that already [16:11] also this, please: sudo systemctl status gdm3 |& nc termbin.com 9999 [16:12] tom ok here is pastebin https://termbin.com/9d91 [16:14] * saltd executing /usr/sbin/gdm3 [16:15] saltd well i use sudo systemctl start gdm3 which works but it is not automatic [16:16] saltd: do you have an ubuntu support question? [16:16] * saltd transforming text data ... 39% [16:16] laguna, 3 lines are missing (but i'am comparing with 20.04): StandardOutput=syslog StandardError=inherit ExecStartPre=/usr/lib/gdm3/gdm-wait-for-drm [16:19] laguna, can you run systemctl set-default graphical.target and reboot ? [16:19] ioria where do the 3 lines go [16:19] ioria yes i can [16:19] in the [Service] section [16:28] tomreyn: Through APT lists [16:28] ioria that fixed it..now it auto boots to gnome [16:28] grep 'Section: mail' /var/lib/apt/lists*_$(lsb_release -sc)_focal_main_binary-$(dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_ARCH)_Packages [16:29] tomreyn: There is a better way [16:29] grep 'Section: mail' /var/lib/apt/lists*_$(lsb_release -sc){,-updates}_main_binary-$(dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_ARCH)_Packages [16:29] ioria / laguna: on a freshly installed ubuntu 22.04, the gdm3,service file is identical to laguna's [16:29] grep 'Section: mail' /var/lib/apt/lists/*_$(lsb_release -sc){,-security,-updates}_main_binary-$(dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_ARCH)_Packages [16:29] This also works for Kinetic [16:29] https://termbin.com/0il3 [16:29] What is the difference of : VAR = $(....) and VAR = (.....) [16:29] ? [16:29] thanks [16:30] laguna, ok [16:31] VAR=$(command) sets VAR to the result of running command [16:31] VAR=(item0 item1 ...) is non-standard syntax, but works in Bash, and sets VAR to the array of the itemN. [16:31] item0, item1, ... [16:32] Ok ! thanks [16:32] VAR=() sets VAR to an empty array [16:32] I think it's standard bash syntax [16:32] Okay === blackest_mamba_ is now known as blackest_mamba [16:33] luis220413: thanks. yours works when you're running the respective target release or at least have those apt sources configured). [16:34] luis220413: i wasn't strictly looking for a better way, though, just wanted to come up with a quick and dirty way to answer your question [16:34] If you do not have Ubuntu main configured, you will not be able to update core packages [16:34] My last command works for any Ubuntu version, but will show PPA versions as well [16:35] And from any other repositories with suite names RELEASE{,-security,-updates} and component main. [16:35] luis220413: if it's not clear, yet: i was responding to: What alternatives exist to sendmail in the main component for 20.04 and 22.04? [16:36] This one does the trick: grep -B7 'Section: mail' /var/lib/apt/lists/*_$(lsb_release -sc){,-security,-updates}_main_binary-$(dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_ARCH)_Packages | grep Package [16:37] tomreyn: You answered my question with a previous message. It is exim4 and postfix. [16:38] There are also 3 MUAs: bsd-mailx, mutt and thunderbird (preinstalled). [16:39] i concur. let's get back to what we were doing previously. ;-) [16:39] Ubuntu 22.04 On a HP Laptop: Is there a way to slow down the 2 finger scroll. I don't see an option to slow the scroll via the trackpad [16:42] dont see a value in dconf-editor fable212 [16:43] fable212: maybe with xinput; https://askubuntu.com/questions/1120045/touchpad-two-finger-scroll-too-fast [16:45] lotuspsychje thanks I'll take a look [16:52] That has helped just installing the driver! [16:54] fable212: so whats the speed you chose for your scrolling? [16:55] I didn't, just installing it has calmed it down [16:55] oh you mean you installed xserver-xorg-input-synaptics ? [16:56] Yes sorry [16:56] good to know! wich laptop brand is yours fable212? [16:57] X360 Envy, do you need the model [16:59] no its ok, good luck fable212 [17:01] Cheers === c0sm1c is now known as c0sm1cSlug [17:03] How do I build xrdp from source [17:04] webchat2: we usualy advice to install packages from the ubuntu repos, instead of compiling your own [17:05] Well it's out of date [17:05] !info xrdp [17:05] xrdp (0.9.17-2ubuntu2, jammy): Remote Desktop Protocol (RDP) server. In component universe, is optional. Built by xrdp. Size 505 kB / 3,090 kB [17:07] webchat2: stable vs testing I use stable from the repos most of the day newer is not always better unles ther is a feature you really need [17:07] and willing to deal with any bugs [17:07] How do I enable testing [17:08] build from source 1 sec I may have a guide bookmarked [17:08] Because I want the most latest version of packages [17:09] I 'M willing to deal with the bugs === blackest_mamba_ is now known as blackest_mamba [17:10] https://github.com/neutrinolabs/xrdp go down to Compiling [17:10] * satanhhh pulls out flyswatter [17:10] did someone say bugs? [17:11] satanhhh: ther are no bugs in ubuntu just unresolved code issues [17:13] How do I install software that is in testing using apt [17:14] add the testing repo? [17:15] Should I uncomment Some thing in the apt sources [17:16] webchat2: only if you can find it in a repo or untrused PPA Ubuntu default repos are all stable it may or may not exist some where else in the latest version [17:16] webchat2: latest looks like git hub only [17:17] Ok [17:17] May I ask another question [17:18] webchat2: sure, there's no need to ask before you ask. [17:18] as long as it's on topic (ubuntu support) it is fine. [17:19] toddc are there any package managers similar to nix or homebrew which can be installed on any linux distro === Scotty_Trees2 is now known as Scotty_Trees [17:19] What's wrong with homebrew? [17:19] If you really want, you can install it on Ubuntu [17:19] Nothing [17:20] I just want more package managers similar to homebrew [17:20] If there are any [17:21] webchat2: there are a few but that is not my area [17:22] Can you provide me with a list I would like to try 'em out [17:22] If you do have any recommendations [17:25] webchat2: no idea I stick to defaults for most things as it just works with no/little debugging [17:26] webchat2: Package managers aren't an add-on accessory, they are an integrated part of most Linux distributions. [17:27] webchat2: Package mangers for non-managed OSs are different. [17:27] webchat2: It sounds like what you're actually looking for is a "rolling release" distribution that has bleeding-edge packages. [17:27] webchat2: Ubuntu is not that distribution. [17:27] webchat2: Gentoo maybe? [17:27] !latest [17:27] Packages in Ubuntu may not be the latest. Ubuntu aims for stability, so "latest" may not be a good idea. Post-release updates are only considered if they are fixes for security vulnerabilities, high impact bug fixes, or unintrusive bug fixes with substantial benefit. See also !backports, !sru, and !ppa. [17:30] ubottu which package manager can I add to Ubuntu to get the latest version of packages [17:30] none needed, "snap" is already there [17:30] How do I highlight a single line in the stock text editor that pops up, ie line 12 say [17:31] too used to windows! [17:31] webchat2: That's not how it works. [17:31] webchat2: ubottu is a bot. [17:31] fable212: double-click it to select it [17:32] Ok [17:32] tomreyn: Of course.. Thanks [17:32] fable212: or copy it and search for it, that will actually highlight it [17:32] webchat2: Again, package managers are not add-ons. [17:32] Ok [17:33] apt and apt-get [17:33] webchat2: If you want to run a testing distribution, you're volunteering to find and report problems, with accurate triage for what is actually broken. [17:33] webchat2: To get that, you have to select the testing version of a normal release. [17:34] webchat2: That often means installing the latest stable release and upgrading to testing. [17:34] jhutchins: i think the term "testing" is misleading in the ubuntu context. [17:34] Can i use apt to get testing [17:34] !next [17:34] Kinetic Kudu is the codename for Ubuntu 22.10. For technical support, see #ubuntu-next. For testing and QA feedback and help, see #ubuntu-quality. [17:35] tomreyn: Sez "next" in the factoid. [17:35] yes, it does [17:35] tomreyn: So maybe that's the term. [17:36] i'm not actually sure whether ubuntu has a specific term for it. i'm just trying to prevent misleading webchat2 with debian nomenclature. [17:37] Is there going to be any work on 32 bit versions of Ubuntu? [17:37] CatSu: no, those are end of life [17:38] CatSu: on 80x86 follow-up platforms, that is [17:38] i think armhf still gets updates [17:39] Are there any good distros for 32 bit systems? [17:39] CatSu: #linux may have suggestions on this [17:39] Have sever problems with audio. Running ubuntu 22.04 with pipewire. The audio for headset (with cable), suddenly disappears. Only way to get back sound is to unplugg the usb and put it in again. [17:39] Based on debian CatS [17:39] Ok [17:40] Thanks === blackest_mamba_ is now known as blackest_mamba [17:44] I unity still used? [17:44] *is [17:45] There are no public usage statistics, for all I know. [17:45] no current ones, anyways [17:46] Hmm [17:46] I thought ubuntu used unity [17:46] not exactly, but there are a set of gnome-shell-exts and a separate distro and projects (don't know if still active) CatSu === enek is now known as Polo [17:48] To the googles! === Guest7155 is now known as Polo [17:50] CatSu: you can install ubuntu-unity-desktop on current ubuntu releases === Polo is now known as polo [17:53] Hello. I had an internet disruption and the sshfs got unmounted. this resulted in clean wiping a file that was open on VSCode. it has my 2 days of unsaved work. Is it possible to restore the file to its state 2hrs ago? Thanks! [17:54] I just updated my 18.04 box to 20.04, and I don't know if this is a change, or the first time I've noticed it.. but it appears to need mdns4 for ANY hostname resolution. [17:54] ApostleInTriumph: only from backups or snapshots, or, if its dirty bit is set, maybe by repairing the file system. [17:55] tomreyn how do i access snapshot? [17:55] What environment does Ubuntu use? [17:55] If I remove mdns4_minimal from /etc/nsswitch.conf's hosts line, no name resolution works. [17:55] ApostleInTriumph: you would know if you had a file system which creates any. [17:55] I can dig against a DNS server by ip, traceroute, etc, but no resolution. [17:55] Is this by design? [17:56] CatSu: the current default ubuntu desktop is gnome-shell (mutter) [17:59] God bless the soul that created snapshot on the server. [17:59] tomreyn thank you very much to you too!! [18:01] ApostleInTriumph: oh, looks like you were lucky. :) glad i could help. [18:02] Does Ubuntu 22.04 Have any QOS Enabled on WiFi Cards, I keep getting a ramp up in D/S speed and can't decide if it's a driver problem or not. No QOS enabled on the router. Works fine on Windows same card. Sorry just working through the quirks! [18:03] "I should probably commit more often to git". i've lost the count and meaning of this...... [18:05] this could be automated, true, but i had purposefully set it out fearing the comments my code would warrant === blackest_mamba_ is now known as blackest_mamba === blackest_mamba_ is now known as blackest_mamba === rud0lf is now known as nozka === nozka is now known as rud0lf === blackest_mamba_ is now known as blackest_mamba [19:42] hi andreasbuhr [19:44] is there a way to get rosegarden 22 instead of 21 on this jammy jellyfish..21 is a little out of date and might not have the latest features [19:45] blender and rosegarden and ardour are important files for audio/video/3d work [19:46] i noticed debian sid which is unstable has rosegarden 22 [19:46] laguna: I can have it in the Ubuntu Studio Backports PPA in a couple hours if you're patient. [19:46] But bear in mind: [19:46] !latest | laguna [19:46] laguna: Packages in Ubuntu may not be the latest. Ubuntu aims for stability, so "latest" may not be a good idea. Post-release updates are only considered if they are fixes for security vulnerabilities, high impact bug fixes, or unintrusive bug fixes with substantial benefit. See also !backports, !sru, and !ppa. [19:47] !ubuntustudio-backports | laguna [19:47] laguna: The Ubuntu Studio Backports PPA contains newer versions of select software that is included with Ubuntu Studio. For more info, such as how to add this PPA to your system, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio/BackportsPPA and !ubuntustudio-installer. See also !ubuntustudio-controls [19:47] Eickmeyer..ok but i dont' have studio..well when you are trying to create 100 million $ games and movies the latest features matter [19:48] agunal [19:48] laguna: Studio is just a flavor of Ubuntu. Same repositories. [19:48] jortal: Do you have a support question? [19:48] laguna, there's a flatpak, if you're interested [19:48] Eickmeyer oh ok [19:48] ioria what is flatpak [19:49] !flatpak [19:49] !info flatpak [19:49] flatpak (1.12.7-1, jammy): Application deployment framework for desktop apps. In component universe, is optional. Built by flatpak. Size 1,286 kB / 4,821 kB. (Only available for linux-any.) [19:49] laguna, https://flathub.org/apps/details/com.rosegardenmusic.rosegarden [19:49] ioria what version is in flathub [19:49] 22 [19:50] oh that is great..let me try to use it [19:50] 22.06 [19:51] laguna: If you don't want a flatpak and stay with Ubuntu packages, add that aforementioned PPA that I pointed to in about an hour and you'll be all set. [19:51] It's officially maintained by the Ubuntu Studio team. [19:56] Eickmeyer i will try the flatpak [19:57] laguna: Ok. Just FYI, if you have issues with the flatpak, you'll have to go to the maintainer of the flatpak as inidividual flatpaks are not supported here. [19:58]