[01:41] <Unit193> I actually got that reference, yeah.
[01:42] <arraybolt3[m]> 👋 Alright, Lubuntu work done, I am now pulling a daily of Xubuntu Core!
[01:42] <Unit193> bluesabre: Nothing big, just didn't see FF creeping up so had a couple late syncs that were bigger.  We're the only Xfce desktop though so nobody will notice.
[01:43] <arraybolt3[m]> Unit193: Any chance you can set up GPG signing for the Xubuntu Core images? I have an autodownloader tool that uses zsync for downloads and GPG + sha256sum for verification, and the lack of a GPG signature makes that tool not work. It would save me a bit of work every time I download.
[01:43] <arraybolt3[m]> (I mean, I can also make my tool make the GPG signature optional.)
[01:44]  * arraybolt3[m] also caught the reference to Cap'n Crunch
[01:46] <Unit193> Based on build host and whatnot, wouldn't be the easiest thing to do.
[01:47] <arraybolt3[m]> OK. I'll just adjust my script so that it omits the GPG verification if you tell it to.
[01:48] <arraybolt3[m]> (Or just go the lazy route and run the zsync and sha256sum commands separately for now.)
[01:48] <Unit193> Note too it's not actually rebuilt daily, usually weekly or every other week.
[01:49] <arraybolt3[m]> Unit193: OK. That will help me to not slam your server with too many downloads.
[01:49] <Unit193> I don't care, and if you zsync nothing will be done anyway.
[01:50] <Unit193> Though for some reason, zsync for me is extreamly slow.
[01:58] <arraybolt3[m]> Hmm. Like, how slow?
[01:58] <arraybolt3[m]> My whole Internet is rather sluggish, so if it's not slower than 4 megabytes per seconds I probably won't even notice.
[01:58] <Unit193> 4MB/s is slow? :P
[01:59] <arraybolt3[m]> Oh... dear...
[02:00] <arraybolt3[m]> Well, that's my near-top speeds, right now I'm getting about 4 megabits per second.
[02:01] <arraybolt3[m]> For me it's kinda slow since I have to pull a lot of ISO files.
[02:02] <Unit193> ...My upload speed is 120KB/s...
[02:02] <Unit193> Download is about 3MB/s
[02:02] <arraybolt3[m]> Oh good grief. Guess I should just be happy then.
[02:03] <arraybolt3[m]> Are you in the US? I'm using Calyx Institute's unlimited mobile hotspot service to get the speeds I have.
[02:04] <Unit193> Yeah, US.  On the bright side, I could download all I wanted because it's not capped.
[02:04] <arraybolt3[m]> Me too. Also my upload speeds are closer to 2-3 MB/s if I do everything just right.
[02:04] <Unit193> Niiiiiiice.
[02:04] <arraybolt3[m]> Anyway, might be helpful.
[02:04] <arraybolt3[m]> You want the link?
[02:05] <Unit193> For the ISO download script?  I just rsync.
[02:05] <arraybolt3[m]> No, I meant for the Calyx Institute stuff I'm using.
[02:07]  * arraybolt3[m] is realizing I'm starting to look spammy, I'm going to go back to testing stuff, sorry
[02:09] <Unit193> Just looked them up, I'd likely stick with what I have because other than the speed it's very solid.  Doesn't really go out, basically gives me static IP.
[02:10] <arraybolt3[m]> That makes sense. I have no static IP, occasional network dropouts, and speed that can go all over the map sometimes. But I'm out in the middle of the woods so it's either this, satellite (pricey and capped), or dial-up (no).
[02:12] <Unit193> I had dial-up until 2008.  Mmmm, out in the middle of nowhere, sounds nice.  Yeah wireless is the way to go then.
[02:15] <arraybolt3[m]> Wow, glad to hear you're still alive. I think 56Kbps would be lethal in 2022. (OK obviously joking but you get my point.)
[02:27] <arraybolt3[m]> Unit193: Just booted Xubuntu Core 22.10, desktop came up, double-clicked the installer icon and got the following message:
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[02:29] <arraybolt3[m]> (This is just in a quick EFI VM test, I intend to do more thorough testing on bare metal.)
[02:29] <Unit193> Hrm, odd.  I wonder why the normal desktop one doesn't have that.  I believe ubiquity generates this file on boot, I could add a hack but that's not the best.
[02:31] <arraybolt3[m]> Also, clicking "Launch Anyway", I've been sitting at a spinning cursor for quite a while, much longer than I would expect, so I'm starting to think Ubiquity may be hung.
[02:31] <arraybolt3[m]> Ah, and of course, the moment I say that, there comes the window.
[02:35] <Unit193> It'd be good to fix that, but...if it works without it, Core is more targetted towards people that have a bit of a clue. :3
[02:37] <arraybolt3[m]> Makes sense. Also, I noticed that Xubuntu Core appears to have a web browser at first glance, but then attempting to launch it just asks you what browser to use (and there isn't one). Not really a problem since a user with a clue will know right quick that means they need to do "sudo [apt|snap] install <browser>".
[02:38] <arraybolt3[m]> But just in case, it might be something that could possibly be removed to avoid potential confusion.
[02:38] <Unit193> Yeah that's a terrible UI flaw, but also not one I can easily fix without shipping a browser.
[02:38] <Unit193> That's coming from exo.
[02:39] <Unit193> IIRC, something on boot copies the file from /usr/share/applications/ to the desktop.
[02:40] <arraybolt3[m]> Also, just wanted to say, WOW you did good making this tiny. I'm used to having lots of cool stuff included with my OS, but looking at how clean this is, I'm impressed. If my testing will help keep this alive, I will almost without question be switching to Xubuntu Core on much of my hardware.
[02:41] <Unit193> It's not nearly as small as it used to be, it grows on every release.  One downside with this is that it doesn't/can't ship snaps by default.
[02:41] <Unit193> Well, the deb2snap stuff would likely work, of course.
[02:41] <Unit193> (I never added support to the buildsystem to handle installation of seeded snaps, though.)
[02:41] <arraybolt3[m]> For some users that's not really a problem.
[02:42] <Unit193> Pretty sure snapd is seeded though...
[02:42] <Unit193> https://xubuntu.github.io/xubuntu-docs/user/C/appendix-packages.html was also created for Xubuntu Core users, but could be expanded.
[02:43] <Unit193> But yeah, good to hear you like it.
[02:43] <arraybolt3[m]> Do you know what's causing it to slowly grow? Are the packages just getting bigger?
[02:44] <Unit193> I usually diff the manifest files, yeah.
[02:45] <arraybolt3[m]> Ouch, I think "sudo" probably shouldn't be being removed during the installation process, screenshot incoming...
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[02:51] <arraybolt3[m]> The "/var/log/syslog" file it tells me to look at doesn't exist.
[02:52] <Unit193> After install, I believe that's usually moved to /var/log/installer/
[02:52] <arraybolt3[m]> However, "journalctl" seemed to possibly have relevant output, so: https://termbin.com/0c01
[02:52] <Unit193> But, yeah sudo shouldn't be on the list.
[02:52] <arraybolt3[m]> (I'm still booted into the live ISO.)
[02:54] <arraybolt3[m]> Also /var/log/installer doesn't contain anything interesting - it has a "debug" file (which contains a whole lot of useless info AFAICT), and a "version" file that just contains "ubiquity 22.10.5".
[02:57] <Unit193> How on earth is it getting into filesystem.manifest-remove?
[03:04] <Unit193> Oooooooooooooh.
[03:07] <Unit193> arraybolt3[m]: Sorry, yes.  Thanks.
[03:07] <arraybolt3[m]> Unit193: No problem, glad to be helpful!
[03:10] <Unit193> arraybolt3[m]: If you're curious, I had switched the initial phase from using debootstrap to --variant=minbase as the former...started installing gnome.  I didn't offset this with also pulling in the 'minimal' task like I do 'standard', and turns out nothing actually depends or recommends sudo.
[03:11] <arraybolt3[m]> Oy.
[03:11] <Unit193> I'm trying it without --variant=minbase now, but I'll also pull in minimal just in case™
[03:11] <Unit193> Read: Fixing it twice over.
[03:12] <arraybolt3[m]> Also, in case this is relevant, I went ahead and attempted to reboot into the newly installed system, and it hung on shutdown for quite a while, I eventually forced the VM to power off.
[03:12] <Unit193> That's known, after a little bit try pressing 'enter'
[03:12] <arraybolt3[m]> However, on bootup, the system actually looks like it's functional at first glance, so woot!
[03:13] <arraybolt3[m]> Oh OK.
[03:13] <Unit193> casper/plymouth don't well together, this is unfortunately something that's been happening for our desktop and core ISOs for a while.
[03:13] <arraybolt3[m]> (This all was with EFI and Secure Boot enabled, plus I enabled the Secure Boot configuration with mokutil during the installation session - everything seems to have worked well.)
[03:15] <Unit193> If it's easy to do, try a zfs or lvm install whenever you next do one?
[03:15] <arraybolt3[m]> Should be easy, lemme try real quick.
[03:16] <arraybolt3[m]> Should I do it with this ISO or with the next one?
[03:16] <Unit193> Doesn't have to be now, and don't use that ISO. :P
[03:16] <arraybolt3[m]> 👍️
[03:18] <Unit193> I like the part where it didn't have netplan though. :>
[03:21] <arraybolt3[m]> Also netcat might be nice.
[03:22] <Unit193> Part of minimal, though the better openbsd one.
[03:22] <arraybolt3[m]> (Had to "sudo apt install netcat-traditional" in order to make a pastebin with termbin.com.)
[03:22] <Unit193> Saw that in the journald, yeah.
[03:25] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ATTN: Xubuntu Core 22.10 - amd64 - amd64 built.
[03:51] <Unit193> OK that's odd, the desktop file is +x..
[03:52] <arraybolt3> I saw the new ISO and decided to test it now :P ZFS + Encryption + EFI + Secure Boot + MOK Configuration, if anything's going to break this should do it.
[03:55] <Unit193> That'll likely break, yep.
[04:07] <arraybolt3> Unit193: Actually, it didn't break!
[04:08] <arraybolt3> mokutil loaded on reboot and had me enroll the new Secure Boot key, then Xubuntu Core booted and asked for the encryption passphrase, then it booted up into a functional desktop.
[04:08] <arraybolt3> No installation errors, everything seems functional.
[04:09] <arraybolt3> (I did use a workaround to make sure that the encryption key screen appeared, since it won't always appear in a VM, but that's not Xubuntu Core's fault, I discovered that bug on Ubuntu and reported it.)
[04:11] <Unit193> Neat, that's good then.
[04:17] <arraybolt3[m]> One thing I do notice is that, there's several buttons in Thunar that cause an error message clicking on them.
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[04:18] <arraybolt3[m]> Clicking on "2.2 GB Encrypted", "bpool", or "rpool" results in an error.
[04:18] <arraybolt3[m]> I think this is just because of the weird ZFS setup that Ubuntu uses, so I doubt it's actually a problem, but just in case, there it is.
[04:18] <arraybolt3[m]> The error from trying to mount "bpool":
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[04:19] <arraybolt3[m]> The error from trying to mount "2.2 GB Encrypted":
[04:19] <arraybolt3[m]> No wait, wrong...
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[04:19] <arraybolt3[m]> OK, that's the right one.
[04:36] <arraybolt3[m]> Other than that, everything seems to function just fine.
[06:14] <arraybolt3[m]> Unit193, bluesabre: Whenever you get a chance, can you give me an official "Looks good" on the Xubuntu screenshot I intend to sent for the Xubuntu Flavors screen. This is the shot:
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[06:14] <arraybolt3[m]> No, wait, wrong shot... 🤦‍♂️
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[06:14] <arraybolt3[m]> Right shot ^^ 👍️
[16:08] <xu-contribute16w> Hello, can anyone drive me to contribute on xubuntu?
[19:40] <bluesabre> arraybolt3[m]: I think the screenshot is fine. What is that shield icon in the systray?
[21:23] <arraybolt3[m]> bluesabre: Riseup VPN (the VM screenshot is my torrent seeder, but my ISP isn't guaranteed torrent-friendly).