| * xnox is not it =) | 10:12 | |
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| ddstreet | o/ | 14:56 |
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| luna__ | \o | 14:57 |
| ddstreet | mapreri teward around for mtg? | 15:00 |
| mapreri | I'm around, though I'm not really ready for anything. tbh with vacation and everything else I haven't done 1 single bpo thing this month. | 15:00 |
| teward[m] | alive but operating at 20% - on the line with a vendor for FT job | 15:01 |
| teward[m] | all i did was approve a couple backports last week | 15:01 |
| ddstreet | ok let's start, probably most items will carry over | 15:01 |
| mapreri | yeah | 15:01 |
| teward[m] | nothing else much to mention | 15:01 |
| ddstreet | #startmeeting Ubuntu Backporters | 15:01 |
| meetingology | Meeting started at 15:01:26 UTC. The chair is ddstreet. Information about MeetBot at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | 15:01 |
| meetingology | Available commands: action, commands, idea, info, link, nick | 15:01 |
| ddstreet | #topic previous action items | 15:01 |
| ddstreet | #subtopic ddstreet update tooling, requestbackport, backportpackage (carried over) | 15:01 |
| luna__ | Hey backporters | 15:01 |
| ddstreet | #action ddstreet update tooling, requestbackport, backportpackage (carried over) | 15:01 |
| meetingology | ACTION: ddstreet update tooling, requestbackport, backportpackage (carried over) | 15:01 |
| ddstreet | hi luna__ | 15:01 |
| ddstreet | #subtopic ddstreet get DEB_VENDOR=ubuntu dch --bpo to DTRT pls (carried over) | 15:02 |
| ddstreet | #action ddstreet get DEB_VENDOR=ubuntu dch --bpo to DTRT pls (carried over) | 15:02 |
| meetingology | ACTION: ddstreet get DEB_VENDOR=ubuntu dch --bpo to DTRT pls (carried over) | 15:02 |
| ddstreet | #subtopic ddstreet look at reviewer tooling such as 'queue' or other tools for reviewing/accepting/rejecting uploads, and closing the corresponding bugs (carried over) | 15:02 |
| ddstreet | #action ddstreet look at reviewer tooling such as 'queue' or other tools for reviewing/accepting/rejecting uploads, and closing the corresponding bugs (carried over) | 15:02 |
| meetingology | ACTION: ddstreet look at reviewer tooling such as 'queue' or other tools for reviewing/accepting/rejecting uploads, and closing the corresponding bugs (carried over) | 15:02 |
| ddstreet | #subtopic ddstreet send ML reply to continue thread re: clarification on specific wording for no-bug-required backport exceptions | 15:02 |
| ddstreet | this one, i actually did | 15:02 |
| mapreri | saw the mail, ty | 15:02 |
| ddstreet | #subtopic ddstreet finish updating charter/policies, send email to ML to request team review | 15:03 |
| ddstreet | and i did this one as well, and sent an email | 15:03 |
| ddstreet | those both probably should get discussed on the ML, unless either of you want to discuss them now | 15:03 |
| ddstreet | #subtopic ddstreet sched next meeting for aug 31 15:00 UTC | 15:03 |
| ddstreet | i did this one, of course :) | 15:03 |
| luna__ | done | 15:04 |
| ddstreet | #subtopic mapreri upload (more of) all the tools (carried over, in progress) | 15:04 |
| mapreri | cheer for ddstreet actually doing his tasks! | 15:04 |
| ddstreet | i assume carry all yours mapreri? | 15:04 |
| mapreri | boos for mapreri not doing :( | 15:04 |
| ddstreet | lol, i only did the 2 easiest tasks :) | 15:04 |
| mapreri | pls yap | 15:04 |
| ddstreet | #action mapreri upload (more of) all the tools (carried over, in progress) | 15:04 |
| meetingology | ACTION: mapreri upload (more of) all the tools (carried over, in progress) | 15:04 |
| ddstreet | #subtopic mapreri fix lintian to not complain about ~bpo suffix (https://bugs.debian.org/1001399) (carried over) | 15:04 |
| ubottu | Debian bug 1001399 in lintian "lintian: adjust backports-upload-has-incorrect-version-number for ubuntu" [Normal, Open] | 15:04 |
| ddstreet | #action mapreri fix lintian to not complain about ~bpo suffix (https://bugs.debian.org/1001399) (carried over) | 15:05 |
| meetingology | ACTION: mapreri fix lintian to not complain about ~bpo suffix (https://bugs.debian.org/1001399) (carried over) | 15:05 |
| ddstreet | #subtopic mapreri review wiki page to see how we can highlight that backport requestors need to do the backport work and find a sponsor | 15:05 |
| ddstreet | #action mapreri review wiki page to see how we can highlight that backport requestors need to do the backport work and find a sponsor (carried over) | 15:05 |
| meetingology | ACTION: mapreri review wiki page to see how we can highlight that backport requestors need to do the backport work and find a sponsor (carried over) | 15:05 |
| ddstreet | #subtopic mapreri start thread on ML about how to use bug status to define meaing in process | 15:05 |
| ddstreet | #action mapreri start thread on ML about how to use bug status to define meaing in process (carried over) | 15:05 |
| meetingology | ACTION: mapreri start thread on ML about how to use bug status to define meaing in process (carried over) | 15:05 |
| ddstreet | ok that's all previous items | 15:05 |
| ddstreet | moving on :) | 15:06 |
| ddstreet | #topic open mailing list items | 15:06 |
| ddstreet | #subtopic clarification on specific wording for no-bug-required backport exceptions | 15:06 |
| ddstreet | as mentioned before, we should probably keep this on the ML | 15:06 |
| mapreri | still in inbox, yes. | 15:06 |
| ddstreet | but please let's all remember to reply before next mtg :) | 15:06 |
| ddstreet | #action clarification on specific wording for no-bug-required backport exceptions | 15:06 |
| meetingology | ACTION: clarification on specific wording for no-bug-required backport exceptions | 15:06 |
| ddstreet | #subtopic charter/policies | 15:07 |
| luna__ | #link https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-backports/2022-February/022680.html | 15:07 |
| ddstreet | thanks luna__! | 15:07 |
| luna__ | a bit to slow with the copy and paste tough | 15:07 |
| ddstreet | this will need review from you both, so no need to discuss now, but hopefull we can finalize it on the ML and/or by next mtg | 15:07 |
| ddstreet | ok that's all the ml threads, unless i'm missing something | 15:08 |
| luna__ | #link https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-backports/2022-August/022925.html | 15:08 |
| ddstreet | ah thanks again :) | 15:08 |
| ddstreet | #topic open bugs needing discussion | 15:09 |
| mapreri | haven't even looked at what's open now :( | 15:09 |
| ddstreet | i reviewed the dh-python bug, and there were some issues there | 15:09 |
| ddstreet | unit193 said it should just be dropped, so i believe teward[m] marked it wontfix | 15:09 |
| luna__ | i can't see it as open | 15:10 |
| ddstreet | i dont know of anyone here thinks it might be worth looking into backporting it | 15:10 |
| ddstreet | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dh-python/+bug/1983414 | 15:10 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1983414 in dh-python (Ubuntu) "[BPO] dh-python 5.20220403 to focal" [Undecided, Fix Released] | 15:10 |
| luna__ | yep teward teward[m] has indeed closed it as not fixing | 15:11 |
| teward[m] | ddstreet: correct i did a won'tfix on one of the bugs because Unit mentioned in the message it should be dropped given $REASONS | 15:11 |
| ddstreet | the main issue, at least from my relatively quick review, was the py2 dh_python2 script, which did a pkg move, so that would need to be properly handled in the backport | 15:11 |
| mapreri | holed on | 15:11 |
| mapreri | the main reason behind that bpo was to have the pyproject support, right? | 15:11 |
| mapreri | IIRC | 15:11 |
| ddstreet | yep that's my understanding | 15:11 |
| ddstreet | and that would require a few other backports for deps | 15:12 |
| teward[m] | "This is needed to refresh the yt-dlp package as it has support for 'environment markers'" | 15:12 |
| mapreri | I understand that such reason still stands, so I think I'd want to look at it as imho it makes sense to have | 15:12 |
| teward[m] | pybuild-plugin-pyproject <-- not tested | 15:12 |
| mapreri | ddstreet: what's "a few"? | 15:12 |
| ddstreet | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dh-python/+bug/1983414/comments/1 | 15:12 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1983414 in dh-python (Ubuntu) "[BPO] dh-python 5.20220403 to focal" [Undecided, Fix Released] | 15:12 |
| ddstreet | i listed the deps in my comment | 15:12 |
| ddstreet | specifically, python3-{build,installer,tomli} packages | 15:13 |
| ddstreet | which aren't available in focal. | 15:13 |
| mapreri | doesn't sound like a goal-blocker to me, just bpo those all? | 15:13 |
| ddstreet | yeah i think it's quite doable | 15:13 |
| mapreri | also I'm not sure there is a problem with the python2 thing? | 15:13 |
| ddstreet | but just would need someone to do the dep backports, and properly adjust the backported dh-python package | 15:14 |
| mapreri | I don't see having the bpo package be uninstallable with something in the main suite as a problem? | 15:14 |
| ddstreet | you mean the conflicts with python2? | 15:14 |
| mapreri | yep | 15:14 |
| ddstreet | i mean i'd certainly prefer to address that, no? | 15:14 |
| mapreri | or, indeed, if that's only for dh_python2 is trivially solvable sure, but anyway, even if unsolved I don't think it's a blocker to me? | 15:15 |
| ddstreet | but then users of the backported dh-python would not be able to run any py2 script | 15:15 |
| mapreri | it's certainly preferable yes | 15:15 |
| mapreri | I'm mostly trying to understand how you feel about that particular point | 15:15 |
| ddstreet | personally, i think it should be fixed | 15:16 |
| ddstreet | i mean, if dh-python was actually *providing* python2, then that might be ok, but it's conflicting (which will force removal) of python2 only due to a single dh_python2 script | 15:16 |
| ddstreet | i think the right approach is to remove the dh_python2 from the backport, and remove the Conflicts: python2 | 15:17 |
| mapreri | if it's only for that single script, it's probably best to drop it from dh-python yes | 15:17 |
| mapreri | it's B+R, not conflicting iiuc | 15:17 |
| mapreri | anyway, I got your point | 15:17 |
| ddstreet | that's certainly my preference, but it will depend on the details once someone gets into doing it | 15:17 |
| ddstreet | right B+R sorry | 15:17 |
| mapreri | I doubt I'd be able to pick up, but since it's something that might make sense to have, if unit193 wants to pick it up again at least I know your position :) | 15:18 |
| mapreri | (as I will tell him that I'm all for it and not give up just after one review!) | 15:18 |
| ddstreet | so should we reopen the bug, and/or add an action item for us to look at it? | 15:18 |
| ddstreet | yeah my review didn't mean to shut his work down | 15:19 |
| mapreri | I think it's fine as it is, I'll more informally poke him | 15:19 |
| ddstreet | ok hopefully we won't forget about it :) | 15:19 |
| ddstreet | i guess if he wants to backport yt-dlp anymore, he'll need to either fix that backport, or work on dh-python backport :) | 15:20 |
| * mapreri just did | 15:20 | |
| mapreri | IRC++ | 15:20 |
| ddstreet | also fyi, i did approve one of his yt-dlp backports, which failed due to dh-python dep missing | 15:20 |
| mapreri | so it's bd-uninst atm? | 15:20 |
| ddstreet | #link https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/yt-dlp/2022.08.19-1~bpo20.04.1 | 15:21 |
| mapreri | doesn't look failed to me? | 15:21 |
| mapreri | sorry, wrong page | 15:21 |
| mapreri | meh | 15:21 |
| mapreri | feel free to action me to poke him some more on this | 15:22 |
| mapreri | I think this is the first time. how harsh should we be about unbuilt packages? | 15:22 |
| ddstreet | #action mapreri poke unit193 about yt-dlp dep on dh-python | 15:22 |
| meetingology | ACTION: mapreri poke unit193 about yt-dlp dep on dh-python | 15:22 |
| ddstreet | well, he did upload both yt-dlp *and* dh-python, so if i'd accepted dh-python, then the yt-dlp upload would have built | 15:23 |
| ddstreet | so it's partially my fault for not realizing that before i accepted the yt-dlp upload | 15:23 |
| luna__ | accept and rebuild? | 15:23 |
| ddstreet | buuuuut it certainly would have been better for him to not upload yt-dlp until dh-python was accepted | 15:23 |
| mapreri | I kind of believe this should go in that page describing when an upload is acceptable without a tracking bug report | 15:23 |
| ddstreet | luna__ yeah, if we do finally accept the dh-python backport, we can just do a rebuild of the yt-dlp | 15:24 |
| mapreri | if it requires special attention and the uploader knows of it, I reckon a bug is warrented. | 15:24 |
| luna__ | ddstreet: sounds good | 15:24 |
| mapreri | (in fact, no rebuild is needed, lp would pick it up by itself since it's in bd-uninst) | 15:24 |
| ddstreet | mapreri yep i agree, the previous yt-dlp uploads have been bugless which i think was fine, but yeah once there's any complexity like this, we do need a bug | 15:24 |
| mapreri | (i think at least) | 15:24 |
| luna__ | ah | 15:24 |
| ddstreet | ah didn't know it would automatically rebuild | 15:25 |
| mapreri | it's not a *re*build after all | 15:25 |
| ddstreet | right :) | 15:25 |
| ddstreet | didn't build at all yet :) | 15:25 |
| luna__ | true | 15:25 |
| ddstreet | ok, anything else for that bug? | 15:25 |
| mapreri | none from me | 15:26 |
| luna__ | not from me | 15:26 |
| ddstreet | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/elfutils/+bug/1987356 | 15:26 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1987356 in elfutils (Ubuntu) "[BPO] elfutils/0.187-1 from Kinetic" [Undecided, Fix Committed] | 15:26 |
| ddstreet | i think this one is done and published, does it just need to move to fix-released? | 15:26 |
| ddstreet | i'll go ahead and mark it as such, since it does seem released | 15:27 |
| luna__ | https://packages.ubuntu.com/jammy-backports/elfutils ? | 15:27 |
| mapreri | seems like you just did lol | 15:27 |
| luna__ | seems to be in the repos | 15:28 |
| ddstreet | and there are 2 more bugs, but both appear to need a sponsor | 15:28 |
| ddstreet | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/focal/+source/ipmctl/+bug/1968076 | 15:28 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1968076 in ipmctl (Ubuntu Focal) "[BPO] ipmctl with support for CPS hardware" [Undecided, New] | 15:28 |
| ddstreet | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/jammy/+source/limnoria/+bug/1983415 | 15:28 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1983415 in limnoria (Ubuntu Jammy) "[BPO] limnoria 2022.6.23-1 to jammy" [Undecided, New] | 15:28 |
| mapreri | tbh, I would rather not look at anything more right now, as I have another meeting coming up on the hour and I'd like to prepare for it :3 | 15:29 |
| ddstreet | ack, i think we can leave the unsponsored ones alone | 15:29 |
| ddstreet | ok that's all open bugs | 15:29 |
| ddstreet | #topic AOB | 15:30 |
| ddstreet | anything else from anyone? | 15:30 |
| ddstreet | luna__ you have any topics? | 15:30 |
| luna__ | nope | 15:30 |
| ddstreet | ok final subtopic then, next meeting | 15:30 |
| ddstreet | #subtopic next mtg date | 15:30 |
| ddstreet | 1 month from now? | 15:30 |
| mapreri | mh | 15:31 |
| ddstreet | sep 28? | 15:31 |
| luna__ | works for me | 15:31 |
| mapreri | 28 is looking crowded for me, what about oct 5 instead? | 15:31 |
| ddstreet | oct 5 works for me | 15:31 |
| luna__ | have another meeting 5th Oct, but i don't do much backports work just curious so its okay to go without me | 15:31 |
| mapreri | (I also have a bit of travel the week before, that's why I'm not suggesting sep 21) | 15:31 |
| mapreri | mind you, I *can* do sep 28th, it's just that my agenda will look messy :3 | 15:32 |
| mapreri | teward[m]: ? | 15:32 |
| teward[m] | no issue of oct 5, sept. 28 is a no go | 15:32 |
| ddstreet | let's do oct 5 then | 15:33 |
| ddstreet | same time, 15:00 UTC | 15:33 |
| mapreri | that makes it easy i guess | 15:33 |
| mapreri | sure | 15:33 |
| ddstreet | luna__ if you have interest in joining backporters team, feel free to let us know in a mtg or ML :-) | 15:33 |
| ddstreet | #action ddstreet schedule next mtg Oct 5 15:00 UTC | 15:34 |
| meetingology | ACTION: ddstreet schedule next mtg Oct 5 15:00 UTC | 15:34 |
| luna__ | will think about it and do if so | 15:34 |
| ddstreet | ok i think that's all the topics, last chance for anything else? | 15:34 |
| ddstreet | #endmeeting | 15:34 |
| meetingology | Meeting ended at 15:34:44 UTC. Minutes at https://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2022/ubuntu-meeting.2022-08-31-15.01.moin.txt | 15:34 |
| ddstreet | thanks all! o/ | 15:34 |
| mapreri | \\o | 15:34 |
| luna__ | thanks | 15:35 |
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