[05:18] <JerOfPanic> morning
[05:18]  * rs2009 waves
[06:06] <firstwaswhen> hello
[06:07] <firstwaswhen> is this channel active?
[06:08] <guiverc> firstwaswhen, the chanel is active, people will answer support questions when the can.
[06:09] <guiverc> If you want to just talk/chat, please use #ubuntu-offtopic; this channel is support only
[06:09] <firstwaswhen> ok thank you.
[06:10] <firstwaswhen> I'm fairly new to linux in a way and I'm on ubuntu trying to pair my Airpod Pros to bluetooth for audio/voice and i'm having issues. I see it appear in the bluetooth list and click and it just spins and nothing happens.
[06:11] <firstwaswhen> I have tried editing the main.conf under /etc/bluetooth/main.conf and changing controller type to bredr which i heard fixes the issue but it hasn't worked for me
[06:12] <oerheks> to scan, pair and trust i use blues to fix those issues.
[06:12] <oerheks> !info blues
[06:12] <oerheks> !info bluez
[06:13] <firstwaswhen> ok i have read about bluez a little bit I will look into it thank you
[06:53] <firstwaswhen> just wanted to pop in and say that I got my airpods working. I'm a complete idiot and didn't realize that the Controller Type was commented out so while I did change it to bredr the change wasnt actually effective
[06:53] <firstwaswhen> thank you for your help though
[10:38] <Confusioned> Hi, how can I reset my monitor configuration of a monitor that is not plugged in? If I plug it in it doesn't show a thing anymore so it would be kind of good... think in the past there were xml files for it which could be just deleted... but now I have to construct a complicated gdbus-command, right? Or is there maybe an additional application for gnome where I can manage stored monitor profiles?
[12:04] <BluesKaj> Hi all
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[14:45] <fn31ln3> Hi, I have an Ubuntu install with an lvm2 encrypted partition, whenever I try to find out how much free space I got left, gparted, vgs etc, it says 20 GB, that cannot be right. I should have 100s of gigs free. Do I get incorrect info because its encrypted?
[14:45] <fn31ln3> how can I actually find out how much GB I have left?
[16:09] <iomari891> greetings, what cli network tool can I use to monitor network bandwidth per ip address. I'm using a linux box as my firewall router.
[16:13] <genii> iomari891: iftop, generally
[16:15] <iomari891> genii: thanks
[16:30] <lntl> Can ed(1) write to stdout?
[16:32] <BayouBilly> has there been a new zoom version for ubuntu lately
[16:32] <lotuspsychje> BayouBilly: there's a zoom snap if you like
[16:32] <BayouBilly> one that recognizes jack 48000 sampling and sink
[16:32] <silentfury> has anyone joined an ubuntu server and then pointed it to an RODC successfully? anything special aside from creating the AD computer account first?
[16:33] <BayouBilly> lotuspsychje..i tried the old snap  the other day and it crashes
[16:33] <lotuspsychje> BayouBilly: old snap?
[16:34] <BayouBilly> lotuspsychje...well when i reported it crashed they said it hadn't been updated since 2016
[16:34] <leftyfb> BayouBilly: 5.9.6.2225 doesn't crash for me
[16:34] <leftyfb> BayouBilly: that's not true
[16:34] <BayouBilly> leftyfb..are you using jack
[16:34] <leftyfb> BayouBilly: no
[16:34] <leftyfb> BayouBilly: if you are crashing due to jack, then the issue should be reported with jack
[16:35] <BayouBilly> leftyfb well i need it for rosegarden and i reset audacious to use it and to use 48000 resampling
[16:35] <ravage> the current snap stable is still 5.9 because in newer versions clicking zoom-URLs does not work correctly. thats a limitation with snap atm
[16:35] <BayouBilly> leftyfb....well i don't know why it crashes
[16:35] <ravage> you can install the edge version if you dont mind that
[16:36] <leftyfb> BayouBilly: https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/outdated-zoom-client/30743
[16:37] <ravage> you can also just download the .deb from the zoom website and update it manually
[16:38] <BayouBilly> well i can dpkg -i *.deb but i don't know how to remove a file with dpkg
[16:38] <BayouBilly> ravage that is why i use apt
[16:38] <ravage> you can use apt to remove it
[16:38] <BayouBilly> ravage oh ok
[16:38] <ravage> and also to install it
[16:38] <ravage> apt install ./your-app.deb
[16:39] <BayouBilly> ok
[16:42] <BayouBilly> well i would like to get zoom working on ubuntu...i have it on the windows 10 partition but i dont' have a 3d driver support for windows 10 so i can't use blender
[16:42] <BayouBilly> the hardware creeps won't supply drivers for windows 10
[16:43] <jhutchins> BayouBilly: According to the dpkg man page, you can remove a package with -r
[16:43] <jhutchins> BayouBilly: There are a lot of other options, you can use / to search for terms and phrases.
[16:43] <BayouBilly> hutchins oh great i did not know that...that is great it goes with dpkg -i
[16:44] <BayouBilly> anyway intel has some opengl support on ubuntu so i can use blender 2.79 here
[16:44] <BayouBilly> even though they won't support windows
[16:46] <wad> Uh oh. My IT guy just asked me to try and install the "Rippling" device management tool on my laptop. I'm running Ubuntu, and it's "not supported", though there is apparently a mac version.
[16:48] <user9d> ok
[16:48] <user9d> so you re-negotiate with the IT guy or ...?
[16:49] <user9d> buy a mac?
[16:49] <wad> LOL, I was hoping to find the source code for this MDM client, and build it for Linux....
[16:49] <leftyfb> wad: sorry, it's not supported on Ubuntu. You'll have to take that up with your IT guy. Good luck
[16:50] <BayouBilly> i guess intel expects people to keep buying the latest hardware just to get windows 10 drivers
[16:50] <user9d> wad: ooooo man. that sounds like an adventure. *hands wad a ring and points south-east*. Just a virtual 220 mile hike [unless you can get a giant Tesla-eagle].
[16:51] <user9d> what
[16:51] <leftyfb> lets stay on topic please
[16:51] <BayouBilly> that is terrible for people like me on hand me down hardware
[16:51] <ravage> BayouBilly, https://askubuntu.com/questions/1271154/updating-zoom-in-the-terminal there are 2 scripts that may be useful. one is a hook for apt. the 2nd a manual update script
[16:52] <BayouBilly> ravage ok let me go read it
[16:57] <BayouBilly> intel wrote a driver with opengl support for windows 7 for this old hardware but refused to write a decent driver for windows 10
[16:58] <BayouBilly> that is the kind of stuff that keeps radeon and nvidia in business
[16:59] <leftyfb> BayouBilly: lets stay on topic please (Ubuntu support). Feel free to /join #ubuntu-offtopic to discuss other topics
[16:59] <clarkk> If I install a package via apt that has a load of dependencies, just for that package, I try it, and realise it's not what I want, and then remove the package, how do I get a list of all the packages were installed so I can remove them too?
[16:59] <BayouBilly> leftyfb..ok i need to try to get zoom working on ubuntu
[17:00] <leftyfb> clarkk: sudo apt autoremove
[17:00] <clarkk> leftyfb, how do I get a list?
[17:00] <ravage> with that command
[17:00] <leftyfb> clarkk: it'll show you a list and confirm you want to remove them
[17:01] <clarkk> leftyfb, just for that specific package?
[17:01] <leftyfb> no
[17:01] <clarkk> how do I get that original list of dependencies?
[17:01] <leftyfb> clarkk: if you want a list of dependencies for a specific package that's been removed but you still have the deps, you'll need to write your own script
[17:02] <clarkk> I'm surprised this hasn't already been done
[17:02] <leftyfb> clarkk: apt-cache depends <packagename>
[17:02] <ravage> clarkk, https://packages.ubuntu.com/jammy/nano shows the dependencies of that package
[17:02] <BayouBilly> clarkk..before you remove it..or just reinstall it temporarily and use gobj to examine its dependencies
[17:04] <leftyfb> BayouBilly: gobj isn't a default installed application
[17:04] <leftyfb> BayouBilly: when managing apt/dpkg, it's best to use the apt/dpkg tools
[17:04] <BayouBilly> leftyfb well isn't it part of gcc toolset
[17:05] <BayouBilly> to see what dependencies are running when you debug an app
[17:05] <leftyfb> BayouBilly: I can't seem to find any binary called "gobj" in the ubuntu repos
[17:05] <BayouBilly> leftyfb let me boot into ubuntu and find it
[17:06] <clarkk> thanks for your help everyone
[17:19] <user9d> your welcome clark
[17:28] <wad> I need that eagle... lol
[17:34] <laguna> i can't find the old gobj command but try ldd /usr/bin/gtkam for example to see all the dependencies
[17:35] <laguna> for programs built with gcc
[17:37] <laguna> if that helps you to remove all the dependencies
[17:38] <laguna> leftyfb does that help you
[17:38] <wad> Wow, I _really_ need a way to set the title of a tab in gnome-terminal!! O_O
[17:40] <wad> I've got multiple tabs open, spewing output, and I can't kill it to run a command to set the title of that tab, so I'm writing notes on paper, which tab is which output. :(
[17:40] <laguna> wow that no 3d hardware acceleration support for windows 10 really ticks me off
[17:40] <leftyfb> laguna: lets please stay on topic
[17:41] <laguna> leftyfb ok i am going back to trying to get zoom working
[17:50] <laguna> ok i did snap refresh zoom-client and now it is in a meeting room with video and jack audio works
[17:50] <laguna> is there someone with zoom that can join the room
[17:52] <laguna> to test it further
[18:00] <laguna> 735 5372 5789 is the meeting room number if somone can join in to test zoom
[18:10] <laguna> i still don't see anyone in the meeting room
[18:21] <laguna> is there anyone that can check  into the zoom meeting room to test the audio
[18:22] <jhutchins> laguna: Who is your target audience for zoom calls?
[18:22] <laguna> jhuthcins i don't have any target audience...just a computer enthusiast is needed to test the program
[18:23] <jhutchins> laguna: Doesn't zoom have a test connection in the setup?
[18:24] <jhutchins> (It's been a couple of years and this laptop doesn't have a mic or camera.)
[18:24] <laguna> jhutchins no i did not see any...but it did set up a meetingroom and i already pasted the number
[18:25] <laguna> jhuthins well don't feel bad..windows 10 doesn't have a driver for this old laptop that supports 3d hardware acceleration so i can't even run the windows blender app
[18:26] <laguna> i don't know why intel put some acceleration support in windows 7 but not in 10
[18:28] <TheViperMan> Probably the same reason nvidia give us awful drivers in linux, just because.
[18:28] <laguna> Viper..yeah right..just because
[18:28] <jhutchins> laguna: https://zoom.us/test
[18:30] <TheViperMan> The awfulness which is windows 10 is why im now here....and im a long time window user....kind of given up, windows 11 is even worse....
[18:30] <ravage> Please stay on topic here
[18:33] <jhutchins> laguna: Does the test link work?
[18:33] <laguna> i don't see anyone to test it with..
[18:34] <laguna> it does not call up the zoom client but it sets up a web based meeting with a meeting room...but i still don't see anyway to test it
[18:34] <jhutchins> laguna: What happens when you try to join the test meeting?
[18:34] <jhutchins> laguna: ... in a browser?
[18:34] <ash_worksi> is there a good tool to fix indent formatting on a php+html file with embedded javascript?
[18:35] <ash_worksi> (that is distributed with ubuntu or in canonical?)
[18:35] <johnfg> hi folks
[18:35] <jhutchins> ash_worksi: There's probably a lint plugin for various editors.
[18:36] <jhutchins> ash_worksi: Mixed languages is a little tougher.
[18:36] <ash_worksi> indeed :\
[18:36] <nteodosio> nicolasbock: Does it start with "sudo systemctl start gdm3"?
[18:36] <johnfg> I'm not getting tightvnc server to run.  I installed per some online instructions for 22.04, but I'm getting this: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/rmCqWPd5XK/
[18:36] <jhutchins> ash_worksi: You might consider separating the code and fixing each section.
[18:36] <laguna> hutchins it joins the test meeting in the browser but there is no one to test audio communications with
[18:36] <ash_worksi> hmm
[18:37] <jhutchins> jitsi
[18:38] <laguna> jhutchins i never could get jitsi to work...i tried it several years ago
[18:39] <jhutchins> laguna: Yeah, it's like pidgin.  Pidgin has been on the verge of working video calls for 20 years or so,
[18:39] <laguna> jhutchins ...yes i still have a copy of pidgin installed and unused it used to be gaim
[18:41] <jhutchins> laguna: There's also Duo - it's cross-platform.
[18:41] <laguna> jhutchins...i have not heard of duo
[18:42] <laguna> it will be an accomplishment just to get zoom working on linux
[18:42] <jhutchins> laguna: It's Google's conference product.  https://www.businessinsider.in/tech/news/whatsapp-skype-google-duo-and-other-zoom-alternatives-for-video-calling/articleshow/75407080.cms#:~:text=Google%20Duo%20allows%20a%20maximum,such%20limit%20for%20Google%20Duo.B
[18:43] <jhutchins> I've had skype, duo, and zoom working on Dell hardware in Linux, but working once for one person doesn't mean anything.
[18:47] <laguna> jhuthins..yea right...that google duo looks interesting because you can just use a phone number to set up a meeting
[18:48] <laguna> but you already have to pay for a phone with google..so it defeats the purpose of free web voice communications
[19:06] <nicolasbock> nteodosio: no. I am getting an error screen
[19:08] <nicolasbock> I can share journald logs if that helps nteodosio
[19:09] <nteodosio> nicolasbock: Is that error screen a generic and opaque screen or does it contain actual error messages?
[19:11] <nicolasbock> It just says oh no something has gone wrong
[19:11] <nicolasbock> It has a grayish background
[19:13] <nteodosio> nicolasbock: Ah yes, I feared that. In that case a pastebin of the journal should be more useful, but did you do something special before that happened?
[19:14] <nicolasbock> We can move this discussion to #ubuntu-next if that's more appropriate nteodosio
[19:14] <nicolasbock> No nothing special nteodosio
[19:14] <nicolasbock> Just a apt uograde
[19:16] <nteodosio> nicolasbock: Yes moved there since you're on Kinetic
[19:23] <laguna> jhuthins...see once you have to pay for a google phone plus a monthly phone bill..it defeats the purpose of free web based voice communications for everyone interested in the free lunch effort of the free software foundation and the free hardware foundation
[19:23] <laguna> a google phone is not free and neither is the monthly phone bill
[19:26] <laguna> jhutchins ..the free software and free hardware foundations have succeeded in keeping prices down but still they are not zero or free
[19:28] <laguna> jhutchins and you don't make money in prisons....so lower prices matter.
[19:35] <laguna> if people got paid fabulous salaries while in jails and prisons then we could afford more and not care so much about the free software and free hardware foundations
[19:37] <arraybolt3[m]> laguna: Feel free to talk about off-topic stuff in #ubuntu-offtopic (we like to keep this channel mostly for technical support).
[19:37] <laguna> arraybolt3 ok i am waiting to test zoom on ubuntu but no one else has it set up
[19:39] <tomreyn> laguna: this may help: https://support.zoom.us/hc/en-us/articles/115002262083-Joining-a-Zoom-test-meeting
[19:40] <laguna> tomreyn.i already tried that but there is no one to test free audio communications with
[19:40] <tomreyn> i see
[19:40] <InPhase> laguna: Just install it on your phone and talk to yourself.
[19:40] <laguna> to avoid costly telephones and monthly telephone bills
[19:48] <laguna> ubuntu is getting more popular...over 1000 people in this chat room
[19:54] <leftyfb> laguna: this isn't the place to test such things
[19:55] <laguna> leftyfb..yes maybe not since no one was available to test it
[19:58] <laguna> probably millions of people will still pay for telephones and monthly phone bills since there is little interest in web based voice communications with free software on give away free hardware
[19:59] <johnfg> laguna, Not much time now, but in certain contexts, I know that Signal is *very* big (and free!).
[19:59] <johnfg> I meant I don't have time now.
[19:59] <laguna> johnfg..ok i will read about it
[20:10] <Linux> Hi
[20:10] <Linux> does anyone know when 5.19 will be officially available for 22.04? or it won't be?
[20:11] <laguna> what changes are in 5.19 from 5.15
[20:12] <ravage> Linux, at some time after the 22.10 release i guess. my current status us that 22.10 will ship with 5.19
[20:12] <ravage> but it may be a newer kernel. nothing is final here yet
[20:13] <laguna> ravage is 22.10 going to be an lts upgrade from22.04 or is it not long term
[20:13] <ravage> 22.10 will not be a LTS release
[20:13] <Linux> I'm guessing 6.0 might be done by theh.
[20:13] <laguna> ravage ok just the latest and greatest with all the bugs
[20:13] <Linux> I use btrfs, and for @ and @home and afaik they say use the latest kernel for latest btrfs code and stability
[20:14] <ravage> Ubuntu never aims for latest and greatest. But the non-LTS releases usually get some more "new" features
[20:14] <laguna> Linux what makes btrfs so much better than ext4
[20:15] <Linux> Well, in general, I am not interested in latest/greatest/bleeding edge. I'm just interested in having the latest kernel for btrfs stability etc.
[20:15] <Linux> It's advised that if you use btrfs, use the latest stable kernel.
[20:15] <ravage> i think btrfs works just fine in 5.15
[20:15] <Linux> laguna: many features what I like such as snapshots, subvolumes, timeshift, copy on write, self healing, data checksums, etc. etc.
[20:16] <ravage> it is not a filesystem that gets much attention in Ubuntu. They chose ZFS
[20:16] <laguna> Linux what make btrfs better than jfs or ext4
[20:16] <Linux> I don't know jfs.
[20:16] <laguna> Linux jfs for large video files
[20:16] <laguna> Linux the silicon graphics stuff
[20:16] <Linux> Linux ZFS is still not native and is a separate kernel module built by dkms
[20:17] <Linux> btrfs is included and shipped with the linux kernel
[20:17] <sarnold> ubuntu builds the zfs kernel modules for you
[20:17] <sarnold> no dkms required
[20:17] <Linux> Linus Torvaldes refuses to include zfs into linux for various legal reasons
[20:17] <Linux> sarnold: come again
[20:18] <Linux> sarnold: please link me to some literature I can consume about ubuntu ZFS root
[20:18] <laguna> Linux what  is the advantage of zfs is it a compressed file system
[20:18] <ravage> the Ubuntu kernel comes with ZFS. no need to build anything
[20:18] <Linux> I read on openzfs.org that they use https://openzfs.github.io/openzfs-docs/Getting%20Started/Ubuntu/Ubuntu%2020.04%20Root%20on%20ZFS.html
[20:18] <sarnold> Linux: when you use the desktop installer, select zfs if you wish
[20:18] <Linux> https://openzfs.github.io/openzfs-docs/Getting%20Started/Ubuntu/Ubuntu%2022.04%20Root%20on%20ZFS.html
[20:18] <Linux> Sorry this one.
[20:18] <Linux> The Ubuntu installer still has ZFS support, but it was almost removed for 22.04 and it no longer installs zsys. At the moment, this HOWTO still uses zsys, but that will be probably be removed in the near future.
[20:18] <Linux> This dissuaded me from using ZFS on root on ubuntu so i went with btr
[20:18] <sarnold> Linux: I followed an earlier version of that guide to install my laptop before 20.04 was released
[20:19] <sarnold> I'm not sure ubuntu root on zfs is necessarily a great idea; we haven't invested nearly as much into it as I hoped
[20:19] <ravage> my 22.04 install on encrypted ZFS did come with zsys
[20:19] <sarnold> it isn't as 'easy' a path as ext4
[20:19] <Linux> Well that's what I'm intersted in, ZFS on root and /home to be a dataset (like zfs subvolume)
[20:20] <ravage> btrfs subvolumes exist since the first releases
[20:20] <ravage> no new kernel required her
[20:20] <ravage> e
[20:20] <ravage> that even works on 4.x
[20:20] <Linux> https://bpa.st/WPLA
[20:21] <Linux> I chose btrfs in 22 installer, and this scheme ended up
[20:21] <Linux> one partition for boot, one for / and @home as a subvol under /
[20:21] <ravage> as i said before there is no special btrfs support in the installer
[20:21] <ravage> you have to chosse the manual layout
[20:22] <Linux> This is what the 22 installer did as partition scheme for btrfs
[20:22] <Linux> I didn't do anything manual.
[20:22] <ravage> see above
[20:22] <Linux> I'm having trouble understanding you.
[20:23] <Linux> Well, I'm saying, I'd like this configuration on zfs on root on ubuntu.
[20:23] <ravage> that is includes in the installer
[20:23] <Linux> I'm just finding out now.
[20:23] <ravage> it creates a home subvolume
[20:24] <Linux> Are you talking about zfs?
[20:24] <ravage> called "userdata"
[20:24] <ravage> yes
[20:24] <Linux> zfs doesn't have subvolumes
[20:24] <Linux> It has datasets.
[20:24] <ravage> same thing
[20:24] <ravage> you can mount that dataset as home
[20:24] <Linux> I know, but please use the correvt terminlogy to reduce confusion
[20:24] <ravage> heh
[20:24] <Linux> Be precise, if you won't mind
[20:24] <Linux> :)
[20:25] <ravage> i dont mind minding my own business then
[20:25] <Linux> Aww, really?
[20:25] <Linux> Ok. Have a good day.
[20:25] <Guest9167> hello. I was trying to update to Ubuntu 22.04 but it failed because I have only 311 MB of space on my /boot partition. It says that it needs 353 MB. I tried „sudo apt autoremove” as it was telling me but it did not free any space on /boot. Does it realy need that much space on /boot? Thanks
[20:25] <johnny_Linux> lol ravage
[20:26] <Linux> If a simple request for precision offends you to the point where you decide, I'll not help another, perhaps supprot on libera.chat isn't your cup of tea to begin with.
[20:26] <laguna> not really...see if you have too many kernels in boot
[20:26] <Linux> Just a sincere thought.
[20:27] <johnny_Linux> this is a support channel chill
[20:27] <laguna> you should be able to operate will with only 100megs for boot
[20:27] <InPhase> Guest9167: Did you look in there to see if there are some old kernels you can clear out?
[20:27] <Linux> johnny_Linux: https://libera.chat/guides/catalyst
[20:28] <InPhase> Guest9167: Even one kernel version should be enough to make up that difference.
[20:28] <Guest9167> I have vmlinuz-5.15.0-43-generic and vmlinuz-5.15.0-46-generic
[20:28] <laguna> 2 kernels and inits should not need 350 megs for boot
[20:28] <jhutchins> laguna: Duo has nothing to do with Google Phone, it is a free conferencing service.
[20:29] <jhutchins> laguna: I don't know how open it is, but it is OS compatible.
[20:29] <laguna> jhutchins..ok i will try to test it later
[20:29] <Linux> Should I switch? Backup and reinstall and restore to zfs on root? Or is that not a good idea in Ubuntu?
[20:29] <laguna> jhutchins i did finally make a zoom contact so it is working on ubuntu with jack audio
[20:30] <tomreyn> Guest9167: how large is your /boot exactly? df -h /boot
[20:30] <Guest9167> 512 MB
[20:30] <Linux> sarnold | I'm not sure ubuntu root on zfs is necessarily a great idea; <- other than not investing time into its development or whatever, any other reason why it might be a bad idea?
[20:30] <Linux> Or that we just don't know what might happen due to the lack of investd time into its dev.
[20:31] <Helenah> Linux: Nice nick! :D
[20:31] <Linux> You too!
[20:31] <Helenah> Nice username. :D
[20:31] <Linux> You're from Dead or Alive!
[20:31] <jhutchins> Has the instasller been fixed so that it doesn't create a separate /boot partition yet?
[20:31] <Linux> But that's probably off topic
[20:31] <Helenah> Yes, it is, but there is #ubuntu-offtopic
[20:32] <tomreyn> Guest9167: what you can do is use a different compression for the initrd. which ubuntu version are you using there now?
[20:32] <Guest9167> tomreyn 20.04
[20:34] <tomreyn> Guest9167: this should make them smaller:   echo COMPRESS=xz | sudo tee /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/compress && sudo update-initramfs -k all -c
[20:34] <InPhase> Guest9167: Something is amiss.  You say you are upgrading to 22.04, but your /boot has only 22.04 kernels.
[20:35] <InPhase> Guest9167: Did you check the wrong system?  Or is something else going wrong here?
[20:37] <ravage> InPhase: https://packages.ubuntu.com/focal/linux-image-generic-hwe-20.04
[20:37] <Guest9167> InPhase I am checking my PC /boot partition
[20:37] <InPhase> ravage: Ah.  Thanks.
[20:38] <coconut> Are there known problems with the firmware upgrader of gnome these days?
[20:38] <InPhase> Guest9167: Nevermind.  I didn't check that security release.  (And don't have any 20.04 systems anymore.)
[20:38] <Guest9167> Could I just delete the old files?
[20:39] <ravage> Guest9167, did you try what tomreyn suggested?
[20:39] <Guest9167> Just delete this: vmlinuz-5.15.0-43-generic and initrd.img-5.15.0-43-generic
[20:39] <Guest9167> No I did not do the compression
[20:40] <arraybolt3[m]> Guest9167: That is not how you uninstall a kernel.
[20:40] <ravage> then try that first before you start deleting stuff
[20:40] <ravage> and if you want to remove a kernel do it the right way with apt
[20:40] <karol_> hi
[20:40] <karol_> how to update 22.04 lts to rolling release?
[20:40] <ravage> there is no Ubuntu rolling release
[20:40] <Guest9167> ravage: how do I do it with apt?
[20:40] <leftyfb> karol_: ubuntu is not a rolling release distro
[20:41] <ravage> Guest9167, something like "dpkg -l|grep 5.15.0-43" should show you all packages related to that kernel
[20:41] <ravage> remove them with apt remove
[20:41] <karol_> and what to do to keep the packages always the newest?
[20:41] <karol_> kernel included
[20:42] <leftyfb> karol_: sudo apt update ; sudo apt full-upgrade
[20:42] <leftyfb> !latest | karol_
[20:42] <ravage> !latest | karol_
[20:42] <ravage> hmm
[20:42] <ravage> there was some command for that
[20:42] <karol_> tu guys
[20:42] <tomreyn> ravage: your request was ignored since lefty triggered the same second before
[20:43] <ravage> oh i did miss that completely
[20:43] <arraybolt3[m]> karol_: The closest thing Ubuntu has to a rolling release is the Development Release, but it is **not** intended for production use.
[20:43] <ravage> nerver mind :)
[20:43] <karol_> arraybolt3[m], thx
[20:43] <leftyfb> arraybolt3[m]: that doesn't act like a rolling release
[20:43] <ravage> it acts as a timebomb :D
[20:44] <arraybolt3[m]> leftyfb: Well it sorta does (guiverc runs his system as one).
[20:44] <leftyfb> arraybolt3[m]: all releases of ubuntu require you to go through the do-release-upgrade process which is not the same as a rolling release where you just continue to upgrade packages and you'll always have the latest
[20:44] <InPhase> karol_: If you are asking about non-lts releases, there is a /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades config file that has an "lts" that you can switch to "normal".
[20:44] <arraybolt3[m]> leftyfb: Yeah but if you do a do-release-upgrade to the latest development release when you were just on a development release, it works somewhat like a rolling release.
[20:45] <arraybolt3[m]> You "roll" while it's in development, then "freeze" when the final release hits, but a do-release-upgrade just after the "freeze" will essentially tell your system to keep rolling.
[20:45] <leftyfb> arraybolt3[m]: the point of a rolling release is you don't have to concern yourself with updating releases. It just happens as part of regular updates
[20:45] <karol_> InPhase, but as i know, there is no newer version than 22.04 now
[20:45] <karol_> so lts is the newsest
[20:45] <InPhase> karol_: That is correct.  It would kick in this October.
[20:46] <arraybolt3[m]> And I think there's even a way to tweak /etc/apt/sources.list to make it so that the do-release-upgrade is never necessary, but we've entered #ubuntu-discuss land at this point.
[20:46] <leftyfb> arraybolt3[m]: nope, that isn't a thing
[20:46] <leftyfb> well
[20:47] <leftyfb> it will attempt to update packages to whatever release you put into sources, but it skips over all the checks and balances that d-r-u does
[20:47] <leftyfb> which isn't recommended
[20:47] <arraybolt3[m]> leftyfb: You don't just put "devel" in where "jammy" or whatever usually goes? Also see https://github.com/wimpysworld/rolling-rhino
[20:47] <leftyfb> also, still not the same as a rolling release
[20:47] <InPhase> karol_: And yes, it's correct that lts is the thing for production use or users who just want reliability.  But it's perfectly reasonable to stay on normal for personal use if you're looking for cutting edge features and willing to learn and deal with issues that might come at a slightly higher rate.
[20:48] <arraybolt3[m]> leftyfb: Well it's still the closest Ubuntu gets to a rolling release. I'm well aware that the way Ubuntu works isn't really rolling-release compatible, but if you absolutely have to try and fit an Ubuntu peg in a rolling hole, that's the closest you'll get even if it's not a good match.
[20:48] <leftyfb> arraybolt3[m]: no, you change jammy to kinetic
[20:48] <ravage> well. anything else than a supported release is off topic here anyway. so lets move on or move the conversation
[20:48] <Linux> Hello, how can I make Ubuntu installer be served over LAN to install on another machine?
[20:48] <karol_> so u recomend to update in october
[20:48] <InPhase> karol_: I used to run on normal regularly, and it was not really that bad if you are comfortable dealing with some bugs here and there.  Somebody needs to be riding that edge and testing things.  :)
[20:48] <Linux> Or maybe just boot live ubuntu 22 from over the network
[20:48]  * arraybolt3[m] switches to -discuss
[20:49] <leftyfb> Linux: PXE
[20:49] <Linux> Oh that hasn't changed, still the same bootp tftp pxe stuff?
[20:49] <infinitylinux999> anyone here use Rolling Rhino? I use the LTS releases, but I'm curious about Rolling Rhino
[20:49] <leftyfb> karol_: I don't. I recommend sticking with 22.04 which is an LTS release where you get 5 years of support as opposed to 9 months
[20:49] <leftyfb> !ot | infinitylinux999
[20:49] <Linux> https://linuxhint.com/pxe_boot_ubuntu_server/ I found this
[20:49] <karol_> oh, thx for advice
[20:50] <Linux> Can you peek this over and see if it's okay?
[20:50] <Linux> Nothing dangerous
[20:50] <ravage> Linux, https://www.molnar-peter.hu/en/ubuntu-jammy-netinstall-pxe.html
[20:50] <InPhase> leftyfb: There are different use cases for Linux.  Not everyone needs or prefers the stability of lts.  It really depends on what you're using a system for, and your capacity to deal with things.
[20:50] <leftyfb> Linux: there's lots of tutorials for PXE. You'll have to pick one and try it out
[20:50] <Guest9167> ravage: alright I removed the old kernel. Now I have more space. Now I will try the update
[20:51] <Linux> Well I'm not wanting to install really
[20:51] <ravage> Guest9167, good luck. let us know if you run into any problems or report succeess :)
[20:51] <leftyfb> InPhase: they asked for a recommendation. I gave my recommendation which happens to be the same recommendation that is given here
[20:51] <Linux> But I want to serve up a ubuntu 22 live cd over the network, so people can boot from it over LAN and use the live cd without usb etc.
[20:51] <Linux> That way anyone on my LAN can boot any machine with Ubuntu without using a usb
[20:52] <Linux> If they want to install it later, they can.
[20:52] <leftyfb> Linux: yes, there are plenty of tutorials online to do that
[20:52] <Linux> Ok awesome
[20:52] <ravage> Linux, maybe have a look at https://netboot.xyz/ for a more general netboot thing
[20:52] <Linux> Ok
[20:52] <Guest9167> ravage: I have to restart first. So bye. I will tell you if everything worked or not.
[20:53] <ravage> see ya :)
[20:53] <tomreyn> Guest9167: the release upgrade may succeed now (it probably will), but the underlying issue (too small /boot for standard initrd's with most modules and standard compression) will remain, and you'll be in the same situation again.
[20:53] <Linux> Yeah, that's cool. They can boot into diff number of linux distro and try them out
[20:53] <Linux> If that's how I think it does
[20:53] <Linux> Reading now
[20:53] <ravage> Linux, exactly :)
[20:53] <leftyfb> Linux: good luck
[20:54] <Linux> This is a better solution, as you'd need multiple USBs, one for each machine and you can't plug it out and boot another, and buying all kinds of USB and keeping track of them and updating each's ISO and grub2 menu's will be a hassle. Netboot idea is better
[20:54] <enigma9o7[m]> @infinity I have a rolling rhino machine
[20:54] <michael_> how doo I reachh my windows netwrok
[20:55] <Linux> michael_: https://ubuntu.com/tutorials/install-and-configure-samba#1-overview
[20:55] <michael_> thanks
[20:55] <Linux> Just install the samba package, create share in smb.conf, set your security to user, use smbpasswd to make a password, and voila
[20:56] <Linux> Or you can try security=share
[20:56] <ravage> the default ubuntu installation should be able to access samba shares. you can access them with your Files application
[20:56] <Linux> KDE and Gnome I think have ways to mount smb shares
[20:56] <ravage> [+] Other Locations -> Windows Network
[20:56] <Linux> I use Ubuntu 22 but I don't use their GUI
[20:56] <Linux> I use a different smaller window manager
[20:57] <leftyfb> michael_: click on "other locations" in your file manager
[20:57] <leftyfb> Linux: none of that is necessary
[20:58] <Linux> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently what about this?
[20:58] <leftyfb> Linux: everything you suggest is a method of sharing smb/cifs shares TO Windows and other clients. Not their Ubuntu client reaching existing Windows shares
[20:58] <Linux> I think the gnome/kde samba mount/access options don't have a custom mount point
[20:58] <ravage> that was not the question
[20:59] <leftyfb> Linux: they didn't specify a custom mount point as a requirement
[20:59] <Linux> Oh I went the other way around
[20:59] <Linux> So for ubuntu 22 you don't need to install samba to access windows share?
[21:00] <leftyfb> !yy.mm | Linux
[21:00] <leftyfb> Linux: no, you do not
[21:00] <Linux> I understand. but .10 isn't out yet.
[21:00] <Linux> When .10 comes out, I can specify .04 or .10
[21:00] <leftyfb> Linux: 22.04 is the latest release
[21:00] <Linux> Until then, it's understood that ubuntu 22 means 22.04. Once 22.10 comes out, we can specify
[21:00] <Linux> Unless I'm wrong.
[21:01] <leftyfb> Linux: the next version of ubuntu starts development right after the latest is released. So there will always be a next release available (22.10)
[21:01] <Linux> Oh
[21:01] <leftyfb> Linux: you talked about being precise earlier
[21:01] <Linux> Ok then
[21:01] <Linux> Yes, thanks for the reminder then
[21:02] <Linux> It's easy to be imprecise and we need one another to keep each other on point.
[21:02] <Linux> Good stuff.
[22:01] <guzzlefry> Is there something like the `time` command that can also record peak ram usage?
[22:03] <sarnold> guzzlefry: /usr/bin/time ?
[22:07] <ravage> i think he means a command that outputs the peak ram usage after the command end
[22:07] <ravage> like time does with cpu time
[22:08] <ravage> i dont know any tool that does that
[22:10] <ravage> heh. ok it is time. sorry sarnold :D
[22:10] <ravage> i never used those format outputs
[22:11] <sarnold> ravage: the shell builtin time is nice and quick and easy but the command time gives way more details :)
[22:12] <ravage> guzzlefry, /usr/bin/time -f '%M' find /usr/bin
[22:12] <ravage> just as a quick example. see the manpage. thats what i did now too :)
[22:16] <Linux> Hello
[22:16] <Linux> How may I enable resume/hibernate in Ubuntu 22.04?
[22:16] <Linux> I'm trying to figure out
[22:18] <Linux> I run into this problem: they say get the uuid of the swap from the fstab. But I don't have a swap partition with uuid. Iuse a /swapfile instead
[22:20] <DynamiteDan> Linux, you need to have space to store memory contents and when shutting down you there is the Suspend option
[22:20] <DynamiteDan> ops
[22:20] <Linux> I have created a btrfs subvolume at /swap
[22:20] <DynamiteDan> Linux, you need to have space to store memory contents and when shutting down you have there the Suspend option
[22:20] <DynamiteDan> it is not swap
[22:20] <DynamiteDan> it in a diferent file
[22:20] <Linux> I can create a 64GB file for hibernate as I have 64 gb RAM
[22:21] <DynamiteDan> the system creates for you
[22:22] <DynamiteDan> just have the space
[23:05] <Guest5395> tomreyn the update worked. Thanks for the help.
[23:08] <tomreyn> Guest5395: very well. :)
 Guest9167: the release upgrade may succeed now (it probably will), but the underlying issue (too small /boot for standard initrd's with most modules and standard compression) will remain, and you'll be in the same situation again.
[23:09] <tomreyn> Guest5395: ^ not sure you saw this previously
[23:33] <agwentworth> Hi folks! How can I run a script as soon as I login to the desktop? I would like to apply my XModMap settings. Systemd service doesn't work since it triggers after wake when xmodmap doesn't have a "display"
[23:34] <Eickmeyer[m]> agwentworth: Make a .desktop file, similar to what you would find in /usr/share/applications, have it point to your script, and place it in ~/.config/autostart
[23:35] <Eickmeyer[m]> The Exec= line of the .desktop file specifically.
[23:38] <agwentworth> Eickmeyer[m], that seems to only apply on startup, but doesn't apply if the computer goes to sleep and wakes. I am applying xmodmap settings on boot OK, it just gets unset after sleep
[23:39] <sarnold> ~/.config/autostart should apply on login to the desktop, nothing to do with starting or suspending
[23:39] <oerheks> that is a valid way, or the old way store them in ~/.Xmodmap, then  echo xmodmap ~/.Xmodmap >> ~/.bashrc
[23:39] <sarnold> don't do that ^^ :) that'll swap your keys around every time you open a terminal
[23:40] <oerheks> oh
[23:40] <sarnold> and if you ssh in, it'll run it even when there's no X ..
[23:40] <oerheks> no, you don't want that indeed
[23:40] <sarnold> the worst thing is, it'll *look* like it worked when you're testing it, but then it'll drive you insane :)
[23:40] <agwentworth> hmmm doesn't seem to work. I think it doesn't like the $DISPLAY var after wake
[23:41] <sarnold> agwentworth: so, the thing is (a) I wouldn't expect X to forget your settings across sleep (b) I wouldn't expect your DISPLAY to suddenly not be set ..
[23:41] <sarnold> agwentworth: maybe you've got something already set up on suspend or resume that's breaking things?
[23:42] <sarnold> granted, I haven't tried suspending a machine in ages
[23:42] <Eickmeyer[m]> agwentworth: you might be able to do something by placing a script in /usr/lib/pm-utils/sleep.d and have a "case $1 in hybernate|suspend)" your data here ";; resume | thaw)" your data here " ;; esac" or somethin g to that effect.
[23:45] <agwentworth> hmmm Eickmeyer[m] do you know how I can check the logs of the script running there? I tried this and it didn't work
[23:46] <agwentworth> I see /usr/bin/xmodmap:  unable to open display ''
[23:46] <agwentworth> on a systemd unit with After=sleep.target :(
[23:46] <Eickmeyer[m]> agwentworth: Then it might not work as it might not have access to the display as it probably runs as root. I don't know any way to do it as the user.
[23:47] <agwentworth> the [Service] section has User=Allen in it :D in the .service file
[23:48] <agwentworth> but anywho thank yall so much for taking a stab at this. I will continue to poke around. Seriously, I appreciate yall's input
[23:49] <Eickmeyer[m]> Oh, you might have to make a user systemd service, do you know how to do that?
[23:51] <agwentworth> ah no I don't Eickmeyer[m]
[23:56] <agwentworth> ah I found it. gotcha, this looks good Eick. Thank you!
[23:56] <sarnold> I don't know if I'd expect a user server to have access to the DISPLAY or XAUTHORITY variables..
[23:56] <Eickmeyer[m]> sarnold: It's worth a shot.
[23:56] <sarnold> yeah
[23:56] <sarnold> but I still suspect an earlier effort to do somethign has caused more problems than it's solved
[23:57] <Eickmeyer[m]> At least, that's how pulseaudio.x11 and pipewire both work.
[23:57] <Eickmeyer[m]> sarnold: That's fair.