[00:46] <BayouBilly> JanC well gpl's goal is to empower the users which also drives prices to zero since users are consumers
[00:47] <BayouBilly> JanC and opensource goal is to empower the author's
[00:49] <BayouBilly> as far as i have been told
[00:54] <BayouBilly> the opensource people just share the code to get improvements and retain the right to sell it when they think it is good enough
[00:58] <BayouBilly> janc like ssh is really openssh as far as i know
[00:59] <JanC> there are several implementations of the SSH protocol
[00:59] <JanC> OpenSSH is just one of them
[00:59] <BayouBilly> JanC oh is there a gpl ssh version
[01:00] <sarnold> how do you feel about lgpl? https://github.com/paramiko/paramiko/blob/main/LICENSE
[01:02] <BayouBilly> sarnold well that seems clear it says that if you create a program that links to a library and is derived from it then you must gpl your program for the users
[01:03] <BayouBilly> sarnnold so you can't use a mozilla, or bsd, or artistic license
[01:05] <BayouBilly> well that links to a lgpl library
[01:06] <BayouBilly> and you can't use an apache license either
[01:08] <JanC> see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_SSH_clients & https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_SSH_servers
[01:08] <JanC> lsh & wolfSSH seem to be GPL
[01:09] <JanC> lsh might be somewhat outdated by now though
[01:13] <JanC> libssh seems to be LGPL also
[01:25] <sarnold> heh, billy left
[01:41] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[01:45] <sarnold> heya lotuspsychje, Bashing-om
[01:45] <lotuspsychje> hey sarnold 
[01:45] <sarnold> how's it going this morning, this evening? :)
[01:47] <Bashing-om> sarnold: So far so good - setting 22.04 for daily use. Looking now for what 'else' needs attention.
[01:49] <sarnold> Bashing-om: \o/
[14:19] <lotuspsychje> happy bday nmap https://seclists.org/nmap-announce/2022/1
[15:30] <laguna> tomreyn whats the deal ioria asked me to post the output of update grub to see the way too many entries
[15:30] <laguna> tom i was just doing what i was asked
[15:31] <tomreyn> laguna: you're welcome to rejoin #ubuntu (if you haven't, yet), but please do not paste more than one line into the channel
[15:31] <laguna> tomreyn ok i won't post it againn
[15:31] <laguna> tomreyn ok thanks tom
[15:32] <tomreyn> laguna: use a pastebin-like service such as dpate.com or termbin.com to share your outputs to this site, then to the channel (by just posting the url)
[15:32] <laguna> tomreyn i tried termbin first but sudo doesn't return a web link
[15:33] <tomreyn> laguna: i'm sure we can help with this in #ubuntu when you report what you tried and what you expected to happen and what happened instead.