[00:00] <arraybolt3[m]> sal-mon: Can you still get into the BIOS settings?
[00:00] <sal-mon> yes I can
[00:00] <sal-mon> (also thank you for helping me)
[00:00] <arraybolt3[m]> Also, it would be interesting to know if other alternative operating systems (say, FreeDOS and NetBSD) are able to boot or not.
[00:01] <arraybolt3[m]> If FreeDOS can boot, but NetBSD and Linux both fail, that would lead me to believe that maybe the CPU blew a transistor or some such and killed the 64-bit capabilities or something like that.
[00:01] <sal-mon> I hope it doesn't come to that, I'm downloading a copy of freeDOS right now
[00:01] <arraybolt3[m]> You might try opening the thing up and seeing if it's clogged up with dust - maybe there's a short on the motherboard causing the issue.
[00:02] <arraybolt3[m]> If it is, carefully dusting it out might not be a bad idea (though discharge yourself on some grounded metal object before starting so that you don't kill the system with static - my best friend once killed a computer with static!).
[00:02] <sal-mon> It is dusty, it's acting as a server under the stairs, but wouldn't it just shut down?
[00:02] <murmel> hm, did maybe a surge occur? kinda reminds me of mine I had roughly 12 years ago
[00:02] <sal-mon> it's plugged into a UPS
[00:02] <arraybolt3[m]> Also I wonder what MemTest86 does?
[00:03] <sal-mon> memtest was stuck on the first test for hours (around 12), that's when I swapped out the RAM
[00:03] <arraybolt3[m]> Was it still sticking even after the RAM swap?
[00:04] <sal-mon> I haven't tried that yet, I'll boot ubuntu off a usb then try memtest again
[00:04] <arraybolt3[m]> (Fatal exception in interrupt, attempted to kill init, MemTest problems... this is all reeking of hardware failure to me.)
[00:05] <tomreyn> sal-mon: don't use the "memtester" software if you're referring to that. use the bootable memtest86 or memtest86+
[00:06] <arraybolt3[m]> https://www.memtest86.com/
[00:08] <sal-mon> tomreyn: I'm using the memtest that's included in GRUB
[00:08] <tomreyn> that's https://www.memtest.org/ then, that's fine if you have older hardware
[00:09] <arraybolt3[m]> sal-mon: Do you have more than 4 GB RAM?
[00:09] <sal-mon> I have 8gb of ram
[00:09] <arraybolt3[m]> sal-mon: I'd try the site I linked to then, Memtest86+ just gets stuck at the 4 GB RAM barrier in my testing.
[00:09] <sarnold> btw https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pcmemtest  packaged version of https://github.com/martinwhitaker/pcmemtest  :)
[00:10] <LjL> don't run a 32-bit version of it? ;P
[00:10] <arraybolt3[m]> (I think they're still using some horribly ancient version of MemTest86+ in Ubuntu. Might be something to look into fixing.)
[00:10] <sarnold> unfortunately only for newer releases, but because it just drops an uefi thingy on disk, it installed on an old xenial system of mine with no effort :D
[00:11] <sal-mon> oh god, which version of memtest do I install then? the v9.5 beta?
[00:11] <sal-mon> I really hope that it's something silly, like too much dust on the mobo
[00:11] <arraybolt3[m]> sal-mon: I'd go with the V4 since it sounds like you have a BIOS system.
[00:12] <arraybolt3[m]> sal-mon: Here you go: https://www.memtest86.com/downloads/memtest86-4.3.7-usb.tar.gz
[00:13] <sal-mon> thank you, I'll boot it now and leave it for a while
[00:14] <arraybolt3[m]> sal-mon: The archive extracts, then it has a .img file inside that you flash to a USB and boot from.
[00:14] <sal-mon> can I use ventoy?
[00:14] <arraybolt3[m]> sal-mon: Probably? I have no clue, but it's worth a shot.
[00:15] <arraybolt3[m]> If ventoy doesn't work and you don't feel like fighting with dd, you can probably use balenaEtcher.
[00:15] <sal-mon> yeah google says ventoy does support img files, thanks again!
[00:15] <murmel> sal-mon: ventoy.net says it works
[00:15] <arraybolt3[m]> 👍️
[00:16] <arraybolt3[m]> (If you do end up having to use Etcher, make sure to use it on an empty drive or a drive with no important data, since using Etcher to flash a drive will render the rest of the data on the drive inaccessible!)
[00:20] <tomreyn> on the other hand you'd get free read-backverification of written data, which might be a good idea if you have to write the usb on *this* computer
[00:20] <arraybolt3[m]> sal-mon: Also if you do dust out your system, use some non-static-creating material too so you don't fry anything out.
[00:20] <tomreyn> (the better option is to download and write the usb on another computer which you know works well)
[00:21] <sal-mon> I'm flashing freeDOS on my other linux pc right now, is a feather good for anti static dusting?
[00:22] <arraybolt3[m]> sal-mon: I've used chicken feathers successfully in the past. (Not a joke.)
[00:22] <arraybolt3[m]> (And now you all probably can tell that I live on what used to be a farm.)
[00:22] <sal-mon> (I don't know what type mine is, I appreciate you taking this seriously)
[00:28] <sal-mon> alrighty, balena says freeDOS doesn't have a bootable partition, sure enough, it said something about not finding a UEFI image, so I'm testing with memtest86 (also flashed with balena) and it's actually testing now! y'all awesome, I'll be back when It's done with a few passes
[00:29] <arraybolt3[m]> sal-mon: \o/ Nice!
[00:31] <arraybolt3[m]> (Also I forgot FreeDOS probably won't work with Etcher, for it you probably will have an easier time using ventoy.)
[00:32] <arraybolt3[m]> Oh man, FreeDOS might not even work with ventoy. Nevermind, lets'
[00:32] <arraybolt3[m]> s just stick with memtest86.
[00:51] <sal-mon> oh and if memtest doesn't turn up with any errors, what should I do, other than dusting my pc off (I'll disassemble it completely and dust off everything)
[00:54] <dorcas> i had a pc go wonky from dust
[00:54] <dorcas> dusted it and worked fine
[00:55] <dorcas> used air compressor
[00:55] <sal-mon> this gives me hope, I'll do that now, memtest says there are no errors thankfullyu
[01:43] <somniad> aaaaaaaaaaaaa
[01:43] <somniad> so probably like, once a month or so, I have to install something that's just not in the main repos
[01:44] <somniad> and it takes ages to figure out what's going on and I usually end up giving up or compiling from source or something
[01:44] <somniad> like right now I'm trying to install a more recent version of llvm so I can have c++17 features and everything is pain
[01:45] <enigma9o7[m]> wow you'd think after all these months you'd be getting better at it
[01:45] <enigma9o7[m]> Sounds rough.
[01:46] <somniad> can someone explain what's going on with this whole thing or point me toward a thing I can read that untangles it because I want to try to just not have this happen again
[01:46] <sarnold> if you want software that's not packaged yet, that's just kind of the way it goes
[01:47] <enigma9o7[m]> maybe someone could explain, but you'd hav eto provide more details as to what you've done, maybe share some output, etc.
[01:47] <johnfg> jhutchins: Just got back from 2nd job.  Same error when trying to connect with the debian client.
[01:51] <johnfg> Why does, 'echo $XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP' return nothing for me?
[01:51] <enigma9o7[m]> cuz nothing set it
[01:51] <enigma9o7[m]> obviously :)
[01:51] <enigma9o7[m]> maybe lxde or xfce or something?
[01:52] <enigma9o7[m]> the desktops that always set it are ones that support wayland
[01:52] <enigma9o7[m]> and they'll set it to wayland or x11
[01:52] <enigma9o7[m]> but some of the other desktops dont set it at all
[01:52] <enigma9o7[m]> i've also seen it say tty sometimes too
[01:54] <enigma9o7[m]> So that kinda means you can trust it when it says wayland, but when it says nothing, you can't be 100% sure but its probably x11 or tty.
[01:54] <enigma9o7[m]> errr trust it when it says something
[01:54] <enigma9o7[m]> but when it says nothing, you can guess its likely x11 or tty, but not surely
[01:56] <enigma9o7[m]> @somniad if I were you, I'd setup a VM for development that uses another distro if you need LLVM 15.
[01:56] <sarnold> enigma9o7[m]: btw somniad left nine minutes ago
[01:56] <enigma9o7[m]> Then you can run something less stable than ubuntu, but not worry about it too much if something goes wrong, other than your project which is likely just data you could get even if the OS broke or something.
[01:57] <enigma9o7[m]> oops
[02:47] <sal-mon> umm, I just cleaned my pc completely and booted ubuntu on a usb drive, it's currently stuck on: [drm] Initialised amdgpu 3.42.0 20150101 for 0000:26:00.0 on minor 0
[02:47] <sal-mon> so I guess that's better than kernel panicking
[02:48] <sarnold> heh :/
[02:51] <jhutchins> sal-mon: What did you have on it before?
[02:52] <jhutchins> sal-mon: What image is on the USB?
[02:53] <sal-mon> just a regular ubuntu 22.04 install, I had this issue where it would just kernel panic, the kind people here recommended I clean the pc, so I did
[02:53] <sal-mon> but now it's stuck on this issue
[02:53] <sal-mon> oh the cursor stopped blinking
[02:54] <johnfg> so, what's the best way to know what desktop is running?
[02:54] <jhutchins> sal-mon: Pretty clearly something not quite right with the amd driver.
[02:54] <sal-mon> out of the frying pan and into the fire
[02:54] <sal-mon> how would I start troubleshooting this?
[02:54] <jhutchins> johnfg: What did you install?  Did you see a menu when you logged in?
[02:55] <jhutchins> !install
[02:55] <sal-mon> yes, ubuntu 22.04 on a live USB, I saw the regular GNU GRUB menu
[02:55] <jhutchins> sal-mon: That question was for johnfg, but good.
[02:56] <sal-mon> oh sorry, it's 5am right now
[02:57] <jhutchins> Yeah, I've got to knock off here as well. There are usually some pretty helpful people during US business hours.
[03:32] <Demaclease> hello new problem has occurred after using an updated media tool to install ubuntu I was finnally able to install sort of the only thing that comes up is an odd message from GRU GRUB
[03:34] <sal-mon> (what's the message)
[03:35] <Demaclease> Minimal Bash-Like line editing is supported. For the first word, TAB lists possible command completions. Anywhere else TAB lists possible device or file completions.
[03:36] <sal-mon> did you click any buttons on the keyboard?
[03:36] <sal-mon> accidentally perhaps?
[03:37] <Demaclease> no and pressing shift or esc to try and get to the other GRUB menu during bootup did nothing
[03:44] <Demaclease> i just rebooted the system with no input devices plugged in to verify still having the same problem
[03:52] <Demaclease> hello
[04:03] <sheldon> potter
[04:04] <Demaclease> ?
[04:29] <xcytre> jj
[05:21] <luna__> morning 20.04.5 downloaded and updated
[05:23] <wez> Nice work
[06:07] <webchat16> Hi! Is that tzdata kept back a known behavior in 22.04.1 LTS?
[06:14] <arraybolt3[m]> webchat16: Probably phased updates once again.
[06:15] <arraybolt3[m]> webchat16: Yep, looks like the packages has been 10% phased. Just wait, it will install on your system eventually. (It's held back on mine too.)
[06:16] <alkisg> Or run `sudo apt install tzdata` to install it now without waiting for the phased updates
[07:15] <jack> Hey there, can someone tell me why I am getting this error. And How to solve it?
[07:15] <jack> W: https://packages.microsoft.com/ubuntu/18.04/mssql-server-2019/dists/bionic/InRelease: Key is stored in legacy trusted.gpg keyring (/etc/apt/trusted.gpg), see the DEPRECATION section in apt-key(8) for details.
[07:16] <downeast> jack: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1398344/apt-key-deprecation-warning-when-updating-system
[07:32] <gest6273> hi
[07:32] <jack> downeast: No any solution gien in that site working on my laptop. If you have other solution too . please do send it.
[07:38] <ikonia> jack: update your key
[07:39] <jack> Ikonia: How to update the key.
[07:39] <ikonia> jack: read the post Downeast gave you, and read the deprecation section in apt-keys as the error said
[07:41] <Habbie> i get the impression the ubuntu:bionic docker hub image was built from proposed instead of updates
[07:41] <Habbie> because it has libsystemd0 237-3ubuntu10.54
[07:42] <Habbie> can anybody confirm? i cannot install libsystemd-dev because of it
[07:42] <ikonia> confirm what sorry ?
[07:43] <Habbie> that the docker hub image was built from proposed instead of updates
[07:43] <ikonia> mail the maintainer to get a factual response
[07:43] <ikonia> only someone with access to the compose file will know what it was built from
[07:44] <Habbie> oh, they're not public?
[07:44] <ikonia> .53 is the latest in the updates repo for bionic, so it certainly doesn't seem to be from core repo
[07:44] <ikonia> Habbie: if they are public, you'll have the same access as the rest of us
[07:44] <ikonia> so you can confirm
[07:44] <Habbie> yes - and if i s/updates/proposed/ in sources.list i get 54
[07:45] <ikonia> seems a logical assumption
[07:45] <Habbie> ta
[07:45] <Habbie> will look for the sources
[07:47] <Habbie> ok, the docker images are built from https://partner-images.canonical.com/oci/bionic/
[07:47] <Habbie> where 0815 had .53 and 0829 indeed has .54
[07:47] <ikonia> naughty and sloppy
[07:47] <Habbie> so the docker maintainer is not to blame - next step, https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/livecd-rootfs/+git/livecd-rootfs/+ref/ubuntu/master
[07:47] <Habbie> (not that i care about blame)
[07:48] <anddam> hello, semi-OT but on a fresh installed 22 I see an issue with glibc but I am not sure what it actually is
[07:48] <ikonia> sorry, don't see the releveance of that launchpad link ?
[07:48] <anddam> I get this python wheel package for linux https://files.pythonhosted.org/packages/4c/a1/0562e98d39347530af4b03327bf66dde4a51f2420b64b8e6bfde005d6e70/PySide6_Essentials-6.3.1-cp36-abi3-manylinux_2_28_x86_64.whl
[07:49] <Habbie> ikonia, that's what builds the rootfs tarballs that the docker image is then also generated from
[07:49] <ikonia> Habbie: so the livecd is shipping a root FS with random out of band packages ?
[07:49] <anddam> this is a zip file (mind you 70 MB), I unzip it and run ldd on PySide6/QtQml.abi3.so and ldd chokes on it, returning 2 without any output
[07:49] <Habbie> ikonia, it sure looks that way
[07:50] <ikonia> Habbie: even naughtier and sloppier
[07:50] <Habbie> well, mistakes happen, i'm not here to blame or judge, just to find a solution :)
[07:50] <ikonia> I'd certainly log a bug against the docker package and let the maintainer work it out with upstream
[07:51] <ikonia> I'll have a look at the running livecd as I'm interested now
[07:51] <Habbie> ikonia, oh very good, that saves me time :)
[07:57] <Habbie> ohh
[07:57] <Habbie> ikonia, http://cloud-images.ubuntu.com/bionic/
[07:57] <Habbie> ikonia, there's a newer 0901 here that fixes it
[07:58] <ikonia> ahhh a newer image
[07:58] <ikonia> I'm still curious if it's in the livecd
[07:59] <Habbie> highly depends on what build you grab i think
[07:59] <ikonia> just going to grab the latest, as that's what people should be using
[07:59] <ikonia> fixing an obsolete problem doesn't make sense to me
[08:00] <Habbie> i agree
[08:00] <Habbie> i've asked in #ubuntu-cloud if they can do a rebuild of the docker image with the 0901 version, as that should fix all
[08:01] <ikonia> ahhh so there is a disjoint there too, the image has been updated, but the cloud images are still using the old one
[08:02] <Habbie> http://cloud-images.ubuntu.com/bionic/ has 0901; https://partner-images.canonical.com/oci/bionic/ does not; and presumably docker images are built from the latter
[08:07] <Habbie> somebody in #ubuntu-cloud is going to have a look
[08:09] <ikonia> well that feels like a win
[08:09] <Habbie> yep
[08:09] <Habbie> thank you for thinking with me :)
[09:17] <towser> when trying to run sudo apt-get upgrade it says a few packages such as headers were kept back, why doesn't it upgrade them?
[09:18] <lotuspsychje> towser: can you pastebin your apt output please
[09:18] <lotuspsychje> volunteers will take a look for you
[09:23] <ogra> towser, most likely because these are phased updates ... apt policy <packagename> should tell you about it ... if they are phased, just wait or do a forced update by spcifying all package names in your apt update call
[09:24] <towser> this is the output I get https://justpaste.it/8lznw
[09:27] <towser> 3 packages are not upgraded
[09:35] <arraybolt3[m]> Welp. Once again I have gotten myself in a bit of trouble. My system is running Ubuntu Desktop 22.04. I downloaded an Ubuntu Kinetic ISO, flashed it to a USB drive, then installed it directly onto a second USB drive to do a test for a bug. After fighting with my system for quite a while, I managed to get the new Kinetic install to boot and finished my testing... and then discovered that I had managed to scramble the bootloader on my main
[09:35] <arraybolt3[m]> drive. On my main system. :( I got given a GRUB rescue prompt. Thankfully I'm decent at maneuvering this particular screen and managed to get my main system to boot, but I'm pretty sure I need to reinstall the bootloader at this point. Anyone know right off the top of their heads the right command? My system uses UEFI, Secure Boot is disabled, and I'm not dual-booting.
[09:36] <iomari891> greetings, my servers are accessing cloudfront service. I didn't configure this and I want to stop it. How can stop cloudfront access
[09:37] <arraybolt3[m]> iomari891: CloudFront appears to be a CDN related to Amazon Web Services. Perhaps an application or site you have installed is accessing it automatically?
[09:38] <lotuspsychje> arraybolt3[m]: EriC^ is out uefi wizard
[09:38] <lotuspsychje> *our
[09:38] <arraybolt3[m]> iomari891: At any rate, the first step would be to identify which process is accessing CloudFront. That should get you on the right path. I don't know off the top of my head how to do this, but someone else here might.
[09:39] <arraybolt3[m]> lotuspsychje: Thanks!
[09:39] <arraybolt3[m]> (Shoulda known better than to do a QA test on my main laptop, but I figured, hey, I can recover even if it nukes my drive, what could go wrong? 🤦‍♂️)
[09:39] <arraybolt3[m]> *a bare-metal QA test
[09:48] <towser> how do I update the packages that wern't upgraded?
[09:49] <lotuspsychje> towser: did you see the advice ogra gave you?
[09:50] <arraybolt3[m]> towser: Did you check to see if they were still phasing? If they are, you shouldn't install them yourself (I mean you can but it's not necessary and could be a bad idea in rare instancces).
[09:51] <arraybolt3[m]> Try "apt-cache policy <packagename>", that will tell if if it's phasing or not.
[09:51] <arraybolt3[m]> If somewhere you see something that looks like "(phased 10%)" in the output, then it's phasing and you can just leave it be.
[09:54] <towser> nope not phasing
[09:54] <arraybolt3[m]> towser: Are you using "sudo apt upgrade" to upgrade? If so, try "sudo apt full-upgrade" instead.
[09:56] <towser> that upgrades the ones it didn't upgrade before, thank you
[09:56] <arraybolt3[m]> towser: No problem, glad it worked!
[10:10] <iomari891> arraybolt3[m]: thanks
[10:11] <arraybolt3[m]> (re: the boot issue I was facing - solution ended up being "sudo grub-install" in a terminal. Everything's back to normal now.)
[10:21] <iomari891> I have a huge list of ip addresses in xx.xx.xx.xx/xx format. I noticed some of the lines overlap others meaning that there would be duplicate ip addresses contained on the subnet. Is there any tool that can flag any line that conflict with another line? meaning any line that has an overlap in the ips. Hope this makes sense.
[10:23] <arraybolt3[m]> iomari891: Are these basically just duplicate lines in a file?
[10:24] <arraybolt3[m]> iomari891: If so, a Bash script should do the trick.
[10:24] <Habbie> there's aggregate, grepcidr, various ruby and python modules for dealing with networks
[10:26] <EriC^^> iomari891: you could do "sort -u /path/to/file" it should remove the duplicate lines
[10:26] <arraybolt3[m]> EriC^^: I think they need to know what lines occur more than once, not just remove the duplicates.
[10:26] <arraybolt3[m]> Like, find them, leave them, highlight them.
[10:26] <EriC^^> oh
[10:27] <EriC^^> iomari891: use sort /path/to/file | uniq -c
[10:27] <arraybolt3[m]> This just seems like a job for grep...
[10:27] <EriC^^> it'll give you a count of them
[10:28] <arraybolt3[m]> EriC^^: And once again, someone has knocked my advanced shell scripting idea out of the park with a dirt simple one-liner. I may need to brush up on my Bash skills...
[11:21] <rapha> hi all
[11:22] <rapha> after renaming VG and LV on which /-fs lives, and doing `update-initramfs -u -k all` it complains (NO encrypted fs present!) "cryptsetup: ERROR: couldn't resolve device such and such" ... trouble ahead if i reboot? or fine?
[11:22] <rapha> also, update-grub does not want to run: "error: failed to get canonical path" ... how can i let it know about the new names?
[11:23] <esv> did you update the /etc/crypttab too?
[11:23] <rapha> esv: no, because it's empty. like i said, that machine doesn't have any encrypted partitions / drives.
[11:23] <esv> ooh ,
[11:23] <esv> i see
[11:24] <rapha> hence my question if that error can be ignored
[11:24] <esv> did you reinstall the grub?
[11:24] <rapha> tried to
[11:24] <rapha> but ... "failed to get canonical path"
[11:26] <esv> did you update /etc/default/grub too?
[11:26] <esv> what happens if you run grub-install?
[11:26] <rapha> hmm
[11:27] <rapha> "installation finished. no error reported"
[11:27] <esv> what do you have in GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT in /etc/default/grub?
[11:28] <rapha> empty
[11:28] <rapha> as in, =""
[11:28] <esv> k
[11:28] <rapha> hmm, adding
[11:28] <rapha> GRUB_DEVICE=/dev/ubuntu-vg/ubuntu-lv
[11:28] <rapha> seems to have helped some
[11:29] <rapha> esv: full output is now https://gist.github.com/sixtyfive/8fd5c225f29f6512ed54617f44e01225
[11:29] <rapha> (system/root was the VG/LV's previous names ... now they're ubuntu-vg/ubuntu-lv)
[11:30] <rapha> so i think grub config / install are fine
[11:31] <rapha> still not trusting the initrd to be fine
[11:32] <rapha> https://gist.github.com/sixtyfive/7b105a74fc57cf8669a4566025198642
[11:32] <rapha> i mean, the whole thing might resolve itself with a reboot. or the reboot might not work out :P
[11:33] <esv> great way to learn :)
[11:34] <rapha> only that if it fails i will have to pack up a laptop and a USB/Ethernet adapter, get up on my bicycle, head to the other side of town, plug in to the iDRAC, yadda yadda
[11:34] <rapha> but yeah it's unknowable at this point so i'll just try
[11:34] <esv> don't have a live usb stick?
[11:35] <rapha> well, yeah, would need to pack that up, too ... but got no keys to the room and got no keys to the rack
[11:35] <rapha> so better hope someone with keys is there, too
[11:36] <rapha> ok i hit enter on the "reboot" ... what does it matter, on monday someone _will_ be there with keys and it's not being used as a production machine atm
[11:38] <esv> i recovered mine with a live usb stick, well, with help too.
[11:40] <esv> was about to ask what do you have for: "set root=" in /boot/grub/grub.cfg
[11:45] <de-facto> Imagemagick in ubuntu is broken, it will refuse to write any pdf
[11:45] <de-facto> error "convert-im6.q16: attempt to perform an operation not allowed by the security policy `PDF' @ error/constitute.c/IsCoderAuthorized/421."
[11:46] <de-facto> solution that works confirmed: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/52998331/imagemagick-security-policy-pdf-blocking-conversion
[11:51] <joseraeiro> Hello #ubuntu! https://askubuntu.com/questions/1427122/cant-find-out-if-ubuntu-server-is-using-all-the-disk-space Any help would be greatly appreciatted!
[11:53] <zetheroo> Did Canonical make the decision to drop libssl 1.x last-minute before the release of 22.04, or were there months or more before they made that call? Does anyone know?
[11:56] <rapha> esv: recovering with a USB stick is always ok. what i often find difficult is to predict everything that _might_ happen and see to it that it doesn't
[11:57] <rapha> ah! came back up! tadaaa!
[11:57] <esv> \o/
[12:00] <webchat75> Hi all
[12:00] <rapha> hi 75
[12:00] <webchat75> Does Ubuntu Desktop 22.04 supports UEFI SecureBoot with Full Disk Encryption ?
[12:00] <rapha> it supports FDE, i don't know about SB, sorry
[12:01] <webchat75> rapha I noticed that Ubuntu Core supports UEFI SecureBoot, but for some reason I can't say the same for Ubuntu Desktop
[12:01] <esv> I believe it does, there is always a risky way to verify
[12:02]  * rapha doesnt even know if any of his hardware supports UEFI SecureBoot
[12:02] <webchat75> @esv I'd expect it to be published... it is a good feature
[12:02] <esv> I believe I am using it, is that the bitlocker thing?
[12:02] <webchat75> Kind of
[12:03] <webchat75> I know that Bitlocker supports it, but it isn't necessarily activated, I think you should verify that
[12:05] <esv> I am on 22.04 and my company requires bitlocker enabled to access company resources (which I am using right now)
[12:05] <esv> not sure if it is desktop or server version thou.
[12:07] <de-facto> joseraeiro, i guess it looks like you have a "/dev/sda: 500 GiB, 536870912000 bytes" but your filesystem root "/" is on "dev/mapper/ubuntu--vg-ubuntu--lv: 100 GiB, 107374182400 bytes"
[12:07] <de-facto> hence you seem to only use 20% of the available disk for your filesystem
[12:08] <esv> the ouptut of vgs would come handy
[12:08] <esv> ^^ joseraeiro
[12:27] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[12:32] <luna__> hey
[12:56] <murmel> lotuspsychje: btw, if you remember my issue with the crashes which happen when the screen turns off/sleep? well, tried to get more logs, which just don't exist. I recovered some logs, and nothing shows up (there are no logs just before I hit the sleep button for example) and there is no crash log file :(
[12:57] <murmel> oh and the oem kernel works the same (intel panel self refresh even worse)
[13:00] <tomreyn> you may need to increase verbosity of whatever crashes
[13:03] <murmel> tomreyn: at least something got fixed, as the caps lock led doesn't blink anymore (but not sure if that means the kernel _doesn't_ crash anymore. but at the same time nothing gets the laptop out of that state
[13:03] <murmel> tomreyn: idk does it help? even when the logs stop at 1-2 mins before the crash?
[13:05] <tomreyn> if "the logs stop" because the logging daemon stops at that point, then increasing verbosity won't help. if "the logs stop" at this time because no service is trying to log anything, then it may help.
[13:05] <tomreyn> did you set up kernel debugging?
[13:05] <tomreyn> did you attach a serial console or a netconsole?
[13:06] <tomreyn> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/Debugging https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/KernelDebuggingTricks
[13:07] <murmel> if the wiki would load for me ;) 504
[13:10] <murmel> tomreyn: btw, connecting a serial console is not possible for me, as I only ever have this laptop on me (and traveling on top of that)
[13:15] <geirha> https://web.archive.org/web/20220707143403/https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/Debugging
[13:15] <tomreyn> you can probably find cached copies of these pages on we.archive.org
[13:15] <tomreyn> ah geirha beat me to it
[13:18] <murmel> nice thanks. didn't think about it
[13:19] <tomreyn> murmel: you can use a mobile phone (at least android devices, not sure about ios) as a terminal connecting to a serial console provided by your laptop, given you have a suitable cable (with a suitable chipset, such as FTDI FT232, Prolific PL2303)
[13:31] <lotuspsychje> murmel: so a regular kernel + oem kernel act the same on your issue, maybe its an acpi related bug?
[13:35] <tomreyn> good point - if it's a bios bug this would also explain why you're not seeing anything logged about it on linux's end (other than *maybe* during boot when it parses acpi tables)
[13:36] <lotuspsychje> murmel: could you pastebin your current dmesg again, so maybe we can focus on acpi this time?
[13:40] <sal-mon> Hello, last night my pc was stuck on a variety of errors, (stdin: not a typewriter, kernel panic - not syncing: fatal exception in interrupt, kernel panic - not syncing: attempted to kill init, [CR2: 000000000000000000000008 CR3: 000000000000000000000000000008])
[13:40] <sal-mon> and uhh, I'm not sure what to do exactly
[13:41] <sal-mon> I've cleaned out my pc, ran memtest, but I'm sill not sure what's the issue, I think it's one thing that causes these
[13:41] <sal-mon> because it happens on a live usb too
[13:44] <lotuspsychje> !details | sal-mon elaborate a bit more please
[13:47] <murmel> tomreyn: lotuspsychje: awesome will look into it as I have an android device. and I really hope that it's not acpi :/ as the device is already 4 years old, I won't assume that dell would fix it. brb 1hr for some food
[13:51] <lotuspsychje> sal-mon: ubuntu release, kernel version and dmesg in a pastebin would be useful for the volunteers to take a deeper look into your issue
[13:52] <joseraeiro> esv, sudo vgs -a
[13:52] <joseraeiro> [sudo] password for next-it:
[13:52] <joseraeiro>   VG        #PV #LV #SN Attr   VSize    VFree
[13:52] <joseraeiro>   ubuntu-vg   1   1   0 wz--n- <498.00g <398.00g
[13:52] <sal-mon> alright, a few days ago I shut down my pc (Ryzen 3 3200G, 8gb of ram, Ubuntu 22.04) completely normally, and the next morning it gave me this error: [End kernel panic: not syncing - fatal exception in interrupt] and booting from a live usb (ubuntu 22.04, flashed with balenaEtcher) gave me the same error, so after some advice on here, I ran memtest
[13:52] <sal-mon> (RAM's fine) and cleaned out my pc completely, however, now it returns this: [End kernel panic: not syncing - attempted to kill init!]. I think it's one error or something went wrong that it's causing a bunch of errors.
[13:52] <sal-mon> (I can't boot into an OS to check anything though)
[13:53] <joseraeiro> de-facto, and how could I use the remaining disk space and mount it in /?
[13:53] <tomreyn> murmel: you won't strictly need the serial console if the system survives whatever happens there. just an ssh shell and increased kernel loglevel on that tty
[13:53] <lotuspsychje> sal-mon: did you try to enter grub==>recoverymode yet?
[13:54] <tomreyn> !paste | joseraeiro
[13:55] <sal-mon> lotuspsychje: the recovery options for ubuntu? yes, they also returned similar errors, unless there's another rescue mode? (also thank you for helping me)
[13:55] <lotuspsychje> sal-mon: try again entering a recoverymode and enable networking + fallback to a rootshell (if you get that far)
[13:56] <lotuspsychje> sal-mon: also test older kernels, in case its an issue about the recent kernel update
[14:12] <tomreyn> sal-mon: you could try connecting the disk to a different computer and accessing the logs from there. it would be good to see a dmesg (run: dmsg | nc termbin.com 9999) of the system booting.
[14:12] <tomreyn> this may help provide you with a better guess on which hardware component is broken
[14:12] <sal-mon> lotuspsychje: sorry for the delay, but all the recovery options for ubuntu give the same error: [End kernel panic: not syncing - fatal exception in interrupt]
[14:13] <sal-mon> tomreyn: it's an internal disk, and I don't have a SATA to USB cable
[14:13] <tomreyn> and not another computer with a sata controller, i assume?
[14:14] <sal-mon> unfortunately nope
[14:14] <lotuspsychje> sal-mon: did you change anything on your computer lately?
[14:14] <tomreyn> well, those cables are cheap.
[14:15] <sal-mon> I did upgrade to 22.04 around two weeks ago
[14:16] <lotuspsychje> sal-mon: do you get the same kernel panic on a 20.04 liveusb too?
[14:16] <sal-mon> I'm downloading the ISO right now, I'll test it soon, thanks
[14:17] <lotuspsychje> allright cross fingers its jammy related
[14:30] <sal-mon> lotuspsychje: after a bit of kernel parameter modifying I got the furthest I ever did! but now outputs stdin: not a typewriter and the cursor's frozen
[14:33] <theos> hihi
[14:34] <theos> i am thinking of buying a touchscreen pc/monitor. does ubuntu have drivers for using a touchscreen? or is there some other version suitable for a touchscreen-only pc?
[14:34] <tomreyn> sal-mon: this can be a red herring, but worth a try: sal-mon: remove any usb devices you don't need, especially usb hubs. if you have a spare keyboard, replace your keyboard, too. if not, make sure its wire isn't twitched. see what happens if you only connect the keyboard after boot
[14:35] <arraybolt3[m]> theos: Ubuntu should support touchscreens out of the box.
[14:35] <sal-mon44> tomreyn: I only have the usb drive, keyboard and HDMI cable plugged into the pc
[14:35] <arraybolt3[m]> I guess it depends on the exact touchscreen hardware, but the one I used to use worked just fine, and another person with a touchscreen also had his working.
[14:35] <sal-mon44> I'll try unplugging the keyboard really fast lol
[14:36] <theos> arraybolt3[m] thats good to know. thanks a lot. are you using the vga port or hdmi?
[14:38] <arraybolt3[m]> theos: I've used both ports. I have a monitor with a touchscreen that connected over a USB cable, so the touchscreen signal and the video signal were transmitted separately AFAICT. (Sadly my cat broke the screen, but while it worked, it worked!)
[14:39] <rob0> arraybolt3[m], so a touchscreen worked on VGA? Did it also have to have a USB connection?
[14:40] <arraybolt3[m]> rob0: Yep, worked on VGA with a USB connection. It also required the USB connection when using HDMI.
[14:40] <theos> arraybolt3[m] i see. so vga for video and usb for touch signal. hah I have to keep it away from my cats then. thanks.
[14:40] <rob0> oh. The only one I've had is a built-in laptop monitor, and I never bothered to look it up in lsusb.
[14:40] <arraybolt3[m]> theos: 👍️ Glad to help! And yeah, careful of cats that knock stuff down. The screen works but the glass is broken on mine and the touch no longer functions (or at least it didn't last I tried).
[14:41] <rob0> Mine is LCD, not glass.
[14:41] <theos> :D
[14:41] <wez> LCD's still exist?  I thought it was all LEDs these days
[14:42] <rob0> wez, idk tbh
[14:42] <theos> LED is the backlight. LCD is the screen.
[14:42] <rob0> all I know for sure is, not glass
[14:43] <arraybolt3[m]> theos: Unless you use an OLED screen.
[14:43] <tomreyn> or an e-ink display
[14:44] <theos> arraybolt3[m] those are amazing! thinking of buying an OLED phone.
[14:44] <wez> theos: You can have LED as the screen too
[14:44] <wez> not just the backlight
[14:48] <theos> tomreyn have been waiting for an e-ink/e-paper ubuntu phone which can fold like newspaper and fit inside the pocket, for a decade or so. i am sure it will be available in the next 100 years :D
[14:48] <theos> wez yes you are right
[14:49] <wez> theos: I am yes
[14:49] <laguna> grub keeps adding entries in the ubuntu options list on jammy jellyfish
[14:49] <laguna> i have several of the same entries in the grub boot list
[14:52] <laguna> everytime i update the kernel more entries get added in the ubuntu options list it just gets longer and longer with same entries
[14:53] <ioria> laguna, do you regularly run apt autoremove or  apt autopurge ?
[14:53] <GrandPa-G> I am running LUbuntu. I just started getting the blue splash screen, pause for about a minute, then black, no desktop. How do I repair this?
[14:53] <laguna> ioria yes i ran apt autoremove to remove the old kernel after the new installs
[14:54] <ioria> laguna, and you still have several entriesin the grub menu  ?
[14:54] <sal-mon44> is there a part that can fail other than RAM and not show up in POST? because I feel most of my issues have an underlying problem'
[14:54] <laguna> ioria yes and they are duplicates of the new kernel
[14:54] <ioria> laguna, please, run   dpkg -l | grep linux-image | nc termbin.com 9999
[14:54] <laguna> ok
[14:56] <laguna> ioria i ran it but i don't see anything in the terminal
[14:56] <murmel> lotuspsychje: hm, can't see anything. (but also not _that_ good at reading acpi stuff) https://termbin.com/pcwy
[14:56] <murmel> eh maybe tomreyn ^ xD
[14:56] <ioria> laguna, the cmd is correct, try again
[14:57] <laguna> ioria ok it comes back with this link https://termbin.com/c1ep
[14:57] <laguna> ioria i ran it without sudo
[14:57] <ioria> sure
[14:58] <zetheroo> Did anyone reply to my question about libssl version in Ubuntu 22.04? I can't find any mentions of my nick ...
[14:58] <ioria> laguna, i'd say , you keep 5.15.0-46 and 47 and purge the others... unless you need them
[14:59] <Habbie> zetheroo, i don't think there were answers
[14:59] <zetheroo> Habbie: okay
[14:59] <laguna> well i use the old 5.3 source....and i already autoremove 5.15.0.46
[15:00] <ioria> laguna, run  : ls /var/lib/initramfs-tools/ | nc termbin.com 9999
[15:01] <tomreyn> GrandPa-G: is this a new installation? did it work previously? was there any other event that could have caused this to happen, such as a version upgrade or a hardware failure?
[15:02] <laguna> ioria i get this ls: cannot access '/var/lib/initramfs-tools/': No such file or directory
[15:02] <GrandPa-G> yes, worked for months. Yesterday it worked. I think it worked when I started this am, but not positive. I did try to put a nvida (old) card into it, got this conidtion for sure, took it out and back to onboard video. That is all. ssh works fine.
[15:03] <ioria> laguna, try again , you mispelled ?
[15:03] <tomreyn> GrandPa-G: do you have a spare computer you're chatting from now?
[15:04] <GrandPa-G> tomreyn, yes
[15:04] <tomreyn> GrandPa-G: oh you say ssh works fine, that's good. is the system online, too, can you   ping -c3 1.1.1.1    without it reporting 100% lost?
[15:04] <sal-mon44> I'm getting this error booting ubuntu 20.04 from a usb drive: ata2: SATA link down (SStatus 0 SControl 300)
[15:05] <sal-mon44> it's 10 mins and it's still frozen
[15:05] <sal-mon44> nothing's plugged in apart from the usb drive it's booting from
[15:05] <laguna> ioria same result there is no initramfs-tools in /var/lib
[15:05] <rob0> if you can ssh in, you know the machine is not crashed
[15:05] <johnfg> hey folks.  this is what's in my .vnc logfile from when I tried to connect from a debian system: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/gd5mzMSCVx/
[15:05] <GrandPa-G> tomreyn, -c doesn't work on windows, but I can ping fine.
[15:06] <tomreyn> GrandPa-G: i mean on the lubuntu system, which you can login to via ssh
[15:06] <johnfg> This  is running tightvnc on ubuntu 22.04
[15:06] <GrandPa-G> tomreyn, works there also
[15:06] <johnfg> my debian is the latest with all updates.  Same error trying to connect from a win 10 machine.
[15:08] <laguna> ioria apparently this doesn't use initramfs-tools to create the initramfs entries in /boot
[15:08] <ioria> this ?
[15:08] <laguna> ioria..jammy jellyfish
[15:08] <tomreyn> GrandPa-G: can you: cat /var/log/gpu-manager.log | nc termbin.com 9999
[15:08] <laguna> or it doesnt place it in /var/lib
[15:09] <tomreyn> GrandPa-G: this should return a http address you can share here. run the above command on the lubuntu sstem, as all further commands, too
[15:09] <GrandPa-G> https://termbin.com/q1fa
[15:10] <tomreyn> GrandPa-G: my theory is that when you inserted the old nvidia card, you also installed proprietary grapics drivers, which are now hardwared on this system. you can use ubuntu-drivers to remove them, but first let's look at the log you just posted, it should tell us what things are like right now.
[15:10] <ioria> laguna, right
[15:10] <GrandPa-G> tomreyn, I think your are correct. How do I remove them?
[15:11] <ioria> laguna, is initramfs-tools-core  package installed ?
[15:11] <laguna> ioria
[15:11] <laguna> let me see
[15:11] <tomreyn> GrandPa-G: hmm, this log says otherwise, but you can check nevertheless. the tool for managing proprietary drivers from a CLI is "ubuntu-drivers" (run it with sudo).
[15:12] <Guest80> Hello
[15:12] <laguna> ioria yes it is already the latest version but nothing in /var/lib
[15:12] <tomreyn> GrandPa-G: your internal graphics chipset is an intel, driver i915, so you should not have any nvidia drivers installed, only use open source drivers.
[15:12] <GrandPa-G> tomreyn, I know that if I try a apt autoremove or apt upgrade, it gives me some errors about nvida failing
[15:13] <Guest80> in /etc/hosts, can i add multiple hostnames under one IP address of my server? like 192.168.1.10 example.mydomain example2.mydomain example3.mydomain
[15:14] <ioria> laguna, ls /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/
[15:15] <tomreyn> GrandPa-G: can you show: sudo apt-get update > /tmp/apt_update.txt 2>&1 ; cat /tmp/apt_update.txt | nc termbin.com 9999
[15:15] <tomreyn> GrandPa-G: can you show: sudo apt-get -fy install >/tmp/apt_install.txt 2>&1 ; cat /tmp/apt_install.txt | nc termbin.com 9999
[15:16] <laguna> ioria the directory exist but there is no entry in it
[15:16] <GrandPa-G> tomreyn, first one
[15:16] <GrandPa-G> https://termbin.com/tzbi
[15:17] <GrandPa-G> tomreyn, 2nd one, shows the errors I have seen https://termbin.com/nk0m
[15:17] <ioria> laguna, can you paste  : sudo update-grub | nc termbin.com 9999
[15:19] <tomreyn> GrandPa-G: "linux-image-nvidia-..." sounds like you downloaded and installed drivers from nvidia.com - i would not recommend this. canonical (the company behind ubuntu, which is the foundation for lubuntu, too) and nvidia cooperate to have a better integration of nvidia drivers into ubuntu and its official flavors (such as lubuntu)
[15:19] <laguna> ioria i ran it and it lists way too many entries but did not return a web link
[15:20] <tomreyn> GrandPa-G: what does this say (other than a warning that we should not be doing this?)    apt list --installed *nvidia* |& nc termbin.com 9999
[15:20] <GrandPa-G> tomreyn, nope. I just did a ubuntu-drivers autoinstall. But anyway, how do I remove them
[15:20] <ioria> copy and paste some of it laguna
[15:20] <ioria> afk for 10 mins
[15:21] <laguna> ioria ok enerating grub configuration file ...
[15:21] <laguna> Found linux image: /boot/vmlinuz-5.15.0-47-lowlatency
[15:21] <laguna> Found initrd image: /boot/initrd.img-5.15.0-47-lowlatency
[15:21] <laguna> Found linux image: /boot/vmlinuz-5.15.0-47-generic
[15:21] <laguna> Found initrd image: /boot/initrd.img-5.15.0-47-generic
[15:21] <laguna> Found linux image: /boot/vmlinuz-5.15.0-47-lowlatency
[15:21] <laguna> Found initrd image: /boot/initrd.img-5.15.0-47-lowlatency
[15:21] <laguna> Found linux image: /boot/vmlinuz-5.15.0-47-generic
[15:21] <GrandPa-G> tomreyn, https://termbin.com/9jbv
[15:21] <laguna> Found initrd image: /boot/initrd.img-5.15.0-47-generic
[15:21] <laguna> Found Windows 10 on /dev/sda1
[15:21] <laguna> Found Gentoo/Linux on /dev/sda4
[15:21] <laguna> Found Windows 10 on /dev/sda1
[15:21] <laguna> Found Gentoo/Linux on /dev/sda4
[15:21] <laguna> Found linux image: /boot/vmlinuz-5.15.0-47-lowlatency
[15:21] <laguna> Found initrd image: /boot/initrd.img-5.15.0-47-lowlatency
[15:21] <tomreyn> !paste | laguna
[15:21] <laguna> Found linux image: /boot/vmlinuz-5.15.0-47-generic
[15:21] <laguna> Found initrd image: /boot/initrd.img-5.15.0-47-generic
[15:21] <laguna> Found linux image: /boot/vmlinuz-5.15.0-47-lowlatency
[15:21] <laguna> Found initrd image: /boot/initrd.img-5.15.0-47-lowlatency
[15:21] <laguna> Found linux image: /boot/vmlinuz-5.15.0-47-generic
[15:21] <laguna> Found initrd image: /boot/initrd.img-5.15.0-47-generic
[15:21] <laguna> Found linux image: /boot/vmlinuz-5.15.0-47-lowlatency
[15:21] <laguna> Found initrd image: /boot/initrd.img-5.15.0-47-lowlatency
[15:21] <laguna> Found linux image: /boot/vmlinuz-5.15.0-47-generic
[15:21] <laguna> Found initrd image: /boot/initrd.img-5.15.0-47-generic
[15:21] <laguna> Found linux image: /boot/vmlinuz-5.3.18
[15:21] <laguna> Found initrd image: /boot/initrd.img-5.3.18
[15:21] <laguna> Found memtest86+ image: /boot/memtest86+.elf
[15:21] <laguna> Found memtest86+ image: /boot/memtest86+.bin
[15:22] <laguna> Found Windows 10 on /dev/sda1
[15:22] <laguna> Found Gentoo/Linux on /dev/sda4
[15:22] <laguna> Found linux image: /boot/vmlinuz-5.15.0-47-lowlatency
[15:22] <GrandPa-G> tomreyn, thanks
[15:22] <InPhase> tomreyn: +q was the one you were looking for.
[15:22] <tomreyn> right
[15:22] <Eickmeyer[m]> WOAH!
[15:22] <Eickmeyer[m]> !pasrte
[15:22] <Eickmeyer[m]> !paste
[15:24] <GrandPa-G> tomreyn, here is the last paste in case it scrolled off https://termbin.com/9jbv
[15:26] <tomreyn> GrandPa-G: thanks, it just took me a while to assemble this list:   sudo apt purge libnvidia-cfg1-470 libnvidia-common-470 libnvidia-compute-470 libnvidia-compute-470 libnvidia-decode-470 libnvidia-encode-470 libnvidia-extra-470 libnvidia-fbc1-470 libnvidia-gl-470 libnvidia-ifr1-470 linux-modules-nvidia-470-5.15.0-46-generic linux-modules-nvidia-470-generic-hwe-20.04 linux-objects-nvidia-470-5.15.0-46-generic linux-signatures-nvidia-5.15.0-46-gen
[15:26] <tomreyn> eric nvidia-compute-utils-470 nvidia-driver-470 nvidia-kernel-common-470 nvidia-kernel-source-470 nvidia-prime nvidia-settings nvidia-utils-470 xserver-xorg-video-nvidia-470
[15:26] <tomreyn> let me pastebin this as well
[15:26] <wez> Don't pastbin
[15:26] <wez> it's full of ads
[15:26] <wez> use another pasting site
[15:27] <GrandPa-G> tomreyn, i got it all. I just need to install eric
[15:27] <Eickmeyer> wez: He knows what he's doing, please don't interfere.
[15:27] <tomreyn> GrandPa-G: no, that's a line break
[15:27] <tomreyn> GrandPa-G: run this instead: https://termbin.com/mwki
[15:27] <wez> Eickmeyer: ?
[15:28] <Eickmeyer> wez: You'll notice he used termbin, pastebin is just lingo.
[15:28] <GrandPa-G> tomreyn, got the paste
[15:28] <tomreyn> wez: i use "pastebin" as a generic term for such sites, not just for pastebin.com
[15:29] <wez> Oh, so like using kleenex when you mean tissue? Or podcast when you mean audio streaming?  I don't agree in promoting brands though, and being in an open source related channel I don't find brands appropriate.
[15:29] <johnfg> any ideas on my problem with tightvnc?
[15:30] <Eickmeyer> wez: Please see the guidelines, and stay on topic.
[15:32] <GrandPa-G> tomreyn, no joy in mudville. Here is what is left. Does it need to go also? https://termbin.com/hiix
[15:33] <ioria> lagbox, not here, never
[15:33] <ioria> laguna,  not here, never
[15:34] <wez> Eickmeyer: I did, promoting websites with ads and using trademarked terms is blatent conflit of interest. Why else would you product placement if you weren't being paid to do so.
[15:34] <tomreyn> GrandPa-G: so just this one package is left? can you share what happens when you try to remove this one?    sudo apt purge -y libnvidia-compute-470 |& nc termbin.com 9999
[15:34] <ioria> laguna, save the output in a text fileand cat to termbin.com 9999 oruse anotherpastebin site
[15:34] <Eickmeyer> wez: The topic here is Ubuntu Support, not general discussion about Ubuntu or open source.
[15:34] <laguna> tom ok why does sudo update-grub | nc termbin.com 9999 not return a web link
[15:35] <GrandPa-G> https://termbin.com/77c8
[15:35] <oerheks> the update grub command takes too long to finish, termbin does not wait for that.
[15:35] <wez> Eickmeyer: I am getting this from the topic, IRC guidlines
[15:35] <GrandPa-G> tomreyn, oky, doky rebooting now
[15:35] <ioria> laguna, told you : save the output in a text file and cat to termbin.com 9999
[15:36] <Eickmeyer[m]> wez: There was no product placement. Generic terms are allowed.
[15:37] <GrandPa-G> tomreyn, no different. Do I need to get the intel drivers now?
[15:37] <tomreyn> GrandPa-G: so you can also    sudo apt-get --purge autoremove
[15:37] <wez> Eickmeyer[m]: pastebin is not generic
[15:37] <tomreyn> GrandPa-G: intel drivers are already installed, but it's opssible that the nvidia drivers are still hardwired somewhere.
[15:37] <wez> Eickmeyer[m]: PASTEBIN is a trademark of Pastebin Inc.. Filed in September 28 (2020)
[15:38] <Eickmeyer[m]> wez: This is not the place to argue. Please stop.
[15:38] <wez> Eickmeyer[m]: I am not arguing, I am stating the IRC guildines here, that you should be folloeing
[15:38] <wez> following*
[15:39] <GrandPa-G> tomreyn, this did autoremoved Removing libnvidia-compute-470:i386 (470.141.03-0ubuntu0.20.04.1) ...
[15:39] <GrandPa-G>  maybe now????
[15:39] <laguna> ioria ok i saved to a file what command to cat to termbin
[15:39] <ioria> cat textfile | nc termbin.com 9999 laguna
[15:39] <laguna> ioria ok
[15:40] <tomreyn> GrandPa-G:  i assume it's not enough. do you have a file /etc/X11/xorg.conf or something in directory /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/   ?
[15:40] <laguna> ioria ok here is link https://termbin.com/xa93
[15:41] <laguna> ioria you can see evergrowing list of grub entries
[15:41] <GrandPa-G> tomreyn, didn't help. I have the xorg.conf
[15:42] <tomreyn> GrandPa-G: please  sudo mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.nvidia
[15:42] <marchello> Hi all, how do I grant read permission to specific user for one specific file?
[15:42] <tomreyn> GrandPa-G: is there something nvidia-ish in /etc/modprobe.d/ ?
[15:43] <ioria> laguna, cd /boot ;ls vmlinuz* | nc termbin.com 9999
[15:43] <tomreyn> GrandPa-G: or in /etc/modules-load.d/  ?
[15:43] <laguna> ioria i think the grub package needs fixing
[15:43] <ioria> sofc
[15:43] <GrandPa-G> tomreyn, I will. Now one more thing I didn't think of and this may be the root. I use vnc on this machine. There is a problem with it lagging. One of the solutions is to use a dummy video setup, I don't remember. I think I did that a few days ago, but just reboot today. I bet that is the problem
[15:44] <laguna> ioria ok here is link https://termbin.com/h8ta
[15:45] <tomreyn> GrandPa-G: oh, then i assume this may have been configured in the xorg.conf which is now /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[15:45] <tomreyn> GrandPa-G: do you still remember what you configured there exactly, or why?
[15:45] <laguna> ioria i think the grub package needs updating for this version of ubuntu
[15:46] <GrandPa-G> tomreyn, https://termbin.com/eq6j
[15:46] <ioria> laguna, what you mean ? it's not the correct version ?
[15:46] <laguna> ioria no it needs fixing it is the latest version but it has this problem
[15:47] <z1haze> during apt update im getting this error `E: The repository 'http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu vivid Release' does not have a Release file.`
[15:47] <ioria> laguna, ls /etc/grub.d  nc termbin.com 9999
[15:47] <GrandPa-G> tomreyn, yes, there are several problem/solutions to prevent the vnc lag. Doing this was one. I probably can find the reference if necessary
[15:47] <ioria> laguna, ls /etc/grub.d |   nc termbin.com 9999
[15:48] <sal-mon44> umm netBSD boots on my pc when nothing else can (linux)
[15:48] <laguna> ioria ok here is link https://termbin.com/13rc
[15:48] <tomreyn> GrandPa-G: i'm not really familiar with this configuration. but this xorg.conf is just about that, nothing nvidia specific in there.
[15:48] <sal-mon44> can I recover linux from netBSD?
[15:49] <ioria> laguna, maybe the problem lays in that directory...
[15:49] <GrandPa-G> tomreyn, This is wild guess, but does the dummy configuration references negate the use of a monitor, thus black?
[15:50] <laguna> ioria well grub needs fixing to correct the directory or whatever
[15:50] <GrandPa-G> tomreyn, this is the reference. I used option 7
[15:50] <GrandPa-G> https://help.realvnc.com/hc/en-us/articles/360005081572-Display-issues-when-connecting-to-VNC-Server-running-on-Linux
[15:51] <ioria> laguna, sy, not a grub specialistand i don't want to bork your system
[15:51] <laguna> ioria ok well it boots but it has way too many options
[15:51] <ioria> yep
[15:52] <tomreyn> GrandPa-G: yes, you only have the dummy graphics card and monitor configured in your xorg.conf so that'S the only output available, so your screen remains black
[15:53] <GrandPa-G> tomreyn, yep, unfortunately vnc on client is working either, thus why I started this repair process. If I want to get back to default, should I just nuke the xorg.conf?
[15:54] <tomreyn> GrandPa-G: you already moved the xorg.conf out of the way, so it should already no longer apply.
[15:55] <GrandPa-G> tomreyn, i really appreciate your patience. I should not have had you go downn the nvida road (though it needed to be fixed). How can I can repay you?
[15:56] <tomreyn> GrandPa-G: hehe, by sharing your experience on another topic, here or elsewhere.
[15:56] <GrandPa-G> tomreyn, I just didn't of something I did days ago. There is a vnc..conf file there and I copied it to xorg.conf At least my desktop is back.
[15:57] <tomreyn> GrandPa-G: great, i'm glad it works now.
[15:58] <tomreyn> GrandPa-G: here's a farily complete guide for this (i only followed this from memory since i did not have the link handy), should you run into the nvidia situation again: https://askubuntu.com/questions/206283/how-can-i-uninstall-a-nvidia-driver-completely
[15:58] <GrandPa-G> tomreyn, I seem to be the person that has all the problems. Each time I learn something new (especially this time). I just wish I could be the one to help.
[16:00] <tomreyn> GrandPa-G: you're a grandpa-g, i'm sure you have experience on *something* you can share with someone who likes to learn about it - doesn't need to be related to computers or tech at all. ;-)
[16:00] <GrandPa-G> tomreyn, now off to fix the vnc lag problem another way. I am trying teamViewer.
[16:00] <tomreyn> GrandPa-G: good luck. maybe you can also get help here with the dummy screen, i just assume the realvnc guide doesn't apply 1-to-1 to current lubuntu
[16:01] <GrandPa-G> tomreyn, not many questions on how keypunch a computer card, how why my teletype terminal only runs at 10 chars/sec.
[16:02] <laguna> tom i looked at lubuntu and it was interesting without the kdelibs but when i hold a key down in its terminal program the buffer fills up and it fails to repeat
[16:02] <tomreyn> GrandPa-G: one thing to know there is that, when there is no xorg.conf, xorg creates one by itself on the fly, based on whatever hardware and drivers it finds. but by placing the xorg.conf there you override that.
[16:03] <laguna> i don't think there is a fix for grub-pc at this time but i guess i could hand edit the grub.cfg file to eliminate the many entries and the grub-install /dev/sda
[16:03] <tomreyn> GrandPa-G: there is also the /etc/X11/xorg.d/ directory - configurations placed in there should only *add to* the auto-generated configuration, if i'm getting this right. so maybe that's what you want for the dummy display.
[16:04] <tomreyn> GrandPa-G: anyways, good luck!
[16:04] <GrandPa-G> tomreyn, thanks again.
[16:07] <sal-mon44> Sorry for asking again, but since I can boot into netBSD (at least it doesn't give me outright errors), but my ubuntu installation won't boot, can I recover ubuntu from netBSD?
[16:08] <tomreyn> sal-mon44: depends on what you'll need to do to fix it. but most likely, no.
[16:09] <tomreyn> sal-mon44: you can probably use netbsd to write a bootable ubuntu live system, though, and then boot into that
[16:09] <sal-mon44> tomreyn: ah well, is there any path I can take to try and fix my install then?
[16:09] <sal-mon44> oh that's interesting, I'll look into that
[16:09] <sal-mon44> thanks!
[16:10] <tomreyn> you're welcome
[16:16] <Guest80> Hello, in /etc/hosts, can i add multiple hostnames under one IP address of my server? like 192.168.1.10 example.mydomain example2.mydomain mydomain.ltd ?
[16:17] <rob0> see the hosts(5) manual, yes, you can also use multiple entries for the same IP address.
[16:17] <sal-mon44> tomreyn: quick question, is there a resource on how to use netBSD to write a ubuntu live system? all google gives me is how to install netBSD
[16:18] <tomreyn> sal-mon44: i can't support netbsd, but you will need to do a raw write of the iso file to the usb storage device (replacing any existing partitions and data on it)
[16:19] <tomreyn> this information should be sufficient to learn, from a netbsd support community, how to do it there
[16:19] <sal-mon44> but can't I just use another pc to do that? (also thank you very much)
[16:20] <lotuspsychje> murmel: im reading things about hibernate freezes in relation to xorg-server, i was wondering if you had these freezes on earlier ubuntu releases? or can you reproduce this on both wayland & xorg?
[16:20] <tomreyn> sure, you cna also use another computer to do this. you asked about netbsd specifically, which i why i answered about netbsd specifically
[16:20] <tomreyn> sal-mon44: ^ this was to you
[16:20] <sal-mon44> thanks again
[16:22] <tomreyn> sal-mon44: balena etcher is a graphical application which you can use on linux, os x and windows desktops to write iso files to usb attached storages and have the written data validated automatically. it is easy to use.
[16:22] <sal-mon44> that's the one I use already, thing is everything I try is borked
[16:22] <sal-mon44> eh, I'll try sometime later
[16:32] <sal-mon44> I can't believe I'm considering this but, can I boot windows and run boot-repair from windows to ubuntu if that makes sense?
[16:40] <rob0> Windows can fix/manage its own boot loader. AFAIK it can't manage grub.
[16:42] <tomreyn> wsl2 might be able to. but that's more of a scientific exploration than a way forward for fixing an issue with an ubuntu installations' boot loader
[16:45] <rickard> what about a live usb?
[16:47] <tomreyn> this was suggested earlier. sal-mon44's issue is that that also fails to boot, due to what seems to be a hardware issue on their computer.
[17:13] <tripleb> morgan
[17:13] <tripleb> sorry
[17:20] <morganu> I complained in #chrome that the "make a shortcut" command does not work in 20.04
[17:29] <alkisg> Ouch, 1/3 of schools report that `do-release-upgrade` breaks at the "installing firefox snap" step, forever waiting for snapd to restart. Then all we can do is a manual `apt full-upgrade`.
[17:46] <ogra> alkisg, hmm, that was supposed to be fixed (it is blodly mentioned as bug in the release notes IIRC)
[18:32] <alkisg> Thank you ogra, reading the notes... :)
[18:52] <elias_a> alkisg: Now that is nasty... :/
[19:03] <wad> Weird... the `cal` command is gone from the latest Ubuntu?
[19:04] <wad> sudo apt install ncal # now it's here.
[19:37] <jhutchins> There have been such drastic changes in how calendars work that they had to re-write it.
[19:42] <ioria> it's just not installed by defaults
[19:44] <sarnold> ncal was split off from bsdmainutils, dunno why https://launchpad.net/debian/+source/bsdmainutils/12.1.3
[19:45] <wad> jhutchins, you don't say... lol
[19:56] <Minor723> Hello I am trying to figure out How i started minecraft as a service, it might have been as a user and I cant remember how.
[19:57] <sarnold> Minor723: starting minecraft in a crontab @reboot is pretty popular..
[19:58] <sarnold> Minor723: try crontab -l   ?
[19:58] <wad> Minor723, I usually run mine in screen sessions.
[19:58] <wad> try `screen -r`.
[19:58] <Minor723> Yeah I only remember somthing like systemctl --user
[19:59] <wad> (Obviously, this doesn't run it as an actually service, and so if I restart the computer, I need to restart the minecraft server manually in another screen session.)
[19:59] <sarnold> aha then try systemctl --user list-units   ?
[20:00] <Minor723> Sorry guys ill be right back.
[20:08] <jhutchins> !minecraft
[20:09] <gordonjcp> is there a minecraft factoid?
[20:24] <jhutchins> gordonjcp: Apparently not.
[20:27] <GrandPa-G> Minor723-afk, look in /etc/systemd/system and see if any pops out. I run my minecraft from service. I like to be able to restart anytime. see if service has user defined
[20:28] <dorcas> !xonotic
[20:29] <johnny_Linux> amazing
[20:30] <dorcas> !kmahjongg
[20:30] <dorcas> not even kmahjongg
[20:38] <johnny_Linux> vpn playing games
[20:38] <jhutchins> Linux: What's that between your ears then?
[20:39] <johnny_Linux> GMO air
[20:41] <johnny_Linux> no worries, I have car exhaust to offset the balance
[20:52] <jhutchins> The bot is very limited.  It could use user submissions.
[20:53] <sarnold> it's got thousands of them, no?
[20:53] <jhutchins> sarnold: Probably.
[20:53] <oerheks> !factoids
[20:54] <johnny_Linux> ^
[20:55] <johnny_Linux> works very well.
[21:05] <Minor723-afk>  /nick Minor723
[21:06] <Minor723> OK sorry about that, I am back iam trying to see where i setup the systemctl for minecraft. I want to say I used a minecraft user account
[21:06] <Minor723> Is there a way to see what systemctl stuff is running for user minecraft?
[21:06] <oerheks> Minor723, find a good tutorial for a minecraft server?
[21:07] <Minor723> Yeah I will, I just want to stop loading the one that i have now
[21:07] <Minor723> Because im not using it and its taking up 4GB
[21:07] <oerheks> sure they can help you in #mincraft
[21:07] <Minor723> This really isnt about that as much as stopping a service from running
[21:10] <dorcas> is init.d still how?
[21:11] <oerheks> as i have no clue how you set this up, systemctl status minecraft.service something
[21:11] <oerheks> status-stop-start-restart
[21:16] <Minor723> What does this mean? sudo systemctl --user status minecraft.service / Failed to connect to bus: $DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS and $XDG_RUNTIME_DIR not defined (consider using --machine=<user>@.host --user to connect to bus of other user)
[21:19] <oerheks> why would that server run under user? all guides that i have seen are different.
[21:23] <oerheks> not sure where you get
[21:23] <oerheks>  sudo systemctl --user status from
[21:32] <GrandPa-G> Minor723, I suggest you try to run it from a console first. See if it is even installed correctly. Unless I am wrong, there really isn't anything to install. Just point at the minecraft jar file.
[21:35] <GrandPa-G> Minor723, we're way off topic I suppose, but you should need to execute something like this in your service. java -Xmx1024M -Xms1024M -jar server.jar nogui
[21:35] <murmel> lotuspsychje: sorry, was knocked out. will test xorg now :)
[21:36] <sarnold> GrandPa-G: I think the trouble is that Minor723 did something like that a few years ago and hasn't got a clue *where* that was done, so is now trying to find that command again
[21:36] <sarnold> murmel: note that lotus left hours ago
[21:37] <murmel> sarnold: yeah I assumed, but because his name still autocompleted *shrug*
[21:37] <murmel> i thought I just let him know
[21:38] <sarnold> murmel: ah then your client is busted :) he's not around
[21:38] <GrandPa-G> Minor723, this is what my service file looks like. I called it minecraft25567.service in /etc/systemd/system https://termbin.com/2bwq
[21:39] <murmel> sarnold: ahh thanks for the information then. damn irssi
[21:39] <GrandPa-G> sarnold, I would just do a find *.service and wade through what is found. Likely to be there.
[21:40] <sarnold> GrandPa-G: yeah, a few hours ago I suggested systemctl list-units and systemctl --user list-units ... dunno whatever came of that. I also see a lot of folks using @reboot in crontabs .. :)
[21:41] <GrandPa-G> sarnold, I mentioned before, I like the ability to shut it off and turn it on whenever. I can utilize system resources for other more productive things.
[22:08] <johnny_Linux> interesting.. upon evolution mail.. i get the graphics frame as if i loaded it from conclusion.. and in another window.. i get.. the usual entry level contract.. whats uo with that. confused.
[22:09] <johnny_Linux> looks to me.. another windoze set-up.
[22:18] <johnny_Linux> https://files.catbox.moe/mcgutg.png
[22:19] <murmel> johnny_Linux: yes, what's the issue?
[22:20] <johnny_Linux> security.. maybe im reading it wrong..
[22:22] <murmel> johnny_Linux: explain yourself, better. I mean your sentence makes no sense to me, and the screenshot of 3 screens doesn't really help
[22:23] <johnny_Linux> interesting.. thanks
[22:24] <murmel> johnny_Linux: I mean what security (issue?) are you talking about? that it opens 2 windows?
[22:24] <johnny_Linux> the 2 windows perpetrated a sequence of seperate consequences.
[22:25] <murmel> please what?
[22:25] <oerheks> "if i loaded it from conclusion"  ??
[22:26] <johnny_Linux> window #1 = a graphic of said install..  window #2 = said pre=install
[22:27] <johnny_Linux> maybe im being over dramatic.. but.. still.. thank you for your time and efforts
[22:51] <johnny_Linux> as a side note: most educated microsoft users know the level that these people operate at. That being said, i hold my peace.  Again, thank you.
[23:04] <johnny_Linux> Think Smart.
[23:12] <johnny_Linux> microsoft with all its DARPA incarnates, will infuse all its finances to further its agenda.. im quiet. thanks
[23:13] <johnny_Linux> im 78.. i used to work for them.
[23:14] <johnny_Linux> g-nite
[23:29] <johnny_Linux> for those who know.. we know A.I.
[23:29] <johnny_Linux> we get it
[23:30] <johnny_Linux> I am a retired engineer, im game.
[23:30] <johnny_Linux> bring it.
[23:31] <johnny_Linux> The embeded code that ubutu now has, no, one knws.
[23:32] <johnny_Linux> most of you volunteers, have zero idea
[23:33] <dorcas> . . . ..
[23:34] <johnny_Linux> quantum-bits now operate at room temp.. have so for the last 5 yrs
[23:35] <johnny_Linux> mst are google slaves for $
[23:35] <johnny_Linux> we know
[23:35] <johnny_Linux> thanks
[23:36] <johnny_Linux> open source is a slave to satan.. this we know.
[23:38] <johnny_Linux> I remember when god put his hand upon me when i first put my fingers on a computer back when win 98 came out... i i puked..i then knew what computers were fore
[23:39] <johnny_Linux> he was right
[23:40] <dorcas> quit trippin
[23:40] <johnny_Linux> I also knew, back in 77 when games came out, that they were to confuse society
[23:40] <johnny_Linux> I was right.
[23:41] <mybalzitch> look at this boomer dropping all the truth bombs on us
[23:41] <mybalzitch> the veil has been pulled back from my eyes!
[23:42] <johnny_Linux> mybalzitch,  boomers are not cutting their diks off and putting dresses on to be able to go to any rest-room to molest children..  boomers created the tech that employees you  today
[23:42] <oerheks> johnny_Linux, please, this channel is for technical support.
[23:42] <oerheks> !offtopic
[23:43] <johnny_Linux> ok
[23:43] <mybalzitch> top notch hate speech
[23:46] <johnny_Linux> Thank you for listening.
[23:46] <a1> hello can someone help me
[23:47] <oerheks> a1, ask, wait and see?
[23:47] <a1> i just installed lubuntu and im trying to update my drivers on my dell inspiron 1525
[23:47] <enigma9o7[m]> That's tough to answer a1.
[23:47] <enigma9o7[m]> If you just installed the OS, why do you think you need to update drivers?
[23:48] <a1> because i dont have full hardware acceleration on my gpu
[23:48] <a1> its a x3100 intell gpu
[23:48] <oerheks> oh intel is supported within the kernel, no need to install drivers. what problems do you have?
[23:49] <a1> a1@a1-inspi1010:~$ lspci
[23:49] <a1> 00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation Mobile PM965/GM965/GL960 Memory Controller Hub (rev 0c)
[23:49] <a1> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller (primary) (rev 0c)
[23:49] <a1> 00:02.1 Display controller: Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller (secondary) (rev 0c)
[23:49] <a1> 00:1a.0 USB controller: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) USB UHCI Controller #4 (rev 02)
[23:49] <a1> 00:1a.1 USB controller: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) USB UHCI Controller #5 (rev 02)
[23:49] <oerheks> !paste
[23:49] <oerheks> and you already told your GPU...
[23:50] <enigma9o7[m]> What maes you think you don't have "full hardware acceleration on your gpu" ?
[23:50] <oerheks> one fix could be setting max memory in your bios.
[23:51] <johnny_Linux> i SEE THE DOT.. GOOD NOTE FOLKS
[23:51] <a1> i have a external monitor connected and im trying to close shut down laptop lid and only use external monitor and it wont let me
[23:51] <enigma9o7[m]> g;night johnny, remember one day at a time.... tomorrows a new day to restart your sobriety
[23:53] <oerheks> Preferences > Power Manager > General ; You can choose what the system does when lid is closed both on battery or plugged-in power ??
[23:53] <oerheks> for Lubuntu, AFAIK
[23:55] <a1> thank you so much i finally found the setting to disable when lid is closed to not put machine in to stand by