| wingedrhino[m] | Do all the Ubuntu Studio tools work nicely on ARMv8 (Pi 4B)? Or have things been explicitly packaged for AMD64? | 03:42 |
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| Eickmeyer[m] | wingedrhino: We only support amd64. There are Ubuntu packages for arm64, but Ubuntu Studio only has an am64 .iso image. | 04:30 |
| Eickmeyer[m] | s/am64/amd64/ | 04:30 |
| Eickmeyer[m] | wingedrhino: That to say, you can go ahead and try, but I, for one, have no arm devices to test on, and I'm the project lead, so there's your answer. | 04:36 |
| OvenWerks | Eickmeyer[m]: I think installer will run on arm (32bit or 64) | 04:36 |
| Eickmeyer[m] | OvenWerks: Oh, that's likely, but I think they're talking about individual tools, not just the installer. | 04:37 |
| Eickmeyer[m] | Wow, the bridge is being slow tonight. | 04:37 |
| OvenWerks | wingedrhino[m]: I think the thing is to start with a 64bit base install. My son's pi4 came with a 32bit system by default, we had to look for a 64 bit install. | 04:38 |
| Eickmeyer[m] | Ubuntu MATE can be installed on a pi. | 04:38 |
| wingedrhino[m] | Yep, so I can start w/ a standard Ubuntu Desktop image for the PI 4. I believe it is 64bit. | 04:38 |
| Eickmeyer[m] | Just 100% YMMV in this case. | 04:40 |
| wingedrhino[m] | Is the 22.10 Studio on Wayland + Pipewire? | 04:40 |
| OvenWerks | do be aware that it may be that not all Studio packages are available for ARM | 04:40 |
| OvenWerks | not PW | 04:40 |
| wingedrhino[m] | Eickmeyer[m]: lol yeah it's been a year of owning the Pi 4 and then not doing anything with it because of compatibility issues. | 04:40 |
| OvenWerks | Studio-controls will not work with PW | 04:40 |
| Eickmeyer[m] | wingedrhino: We weren't able to get pipewire implementation done in time for Feature Freeze, so sadly no. And no, wayland on KDE Plasma is still experimental. | 04:40 |
| OvenWerks | but PW can for a lot of people, replace studio controls | 04:41 |
| arraybolt3[m] | Eickmeyer: One of OvenWerks's messages didn't even come through the bridge for me. 🙃 | 04:41 |
| Eickmeyer[m] | arraybolt3[m]: That's what I was referring to. | 04:41 |
| OvenWerks | must be one of those swinging cable bridges | 04:42 |
| wingedrhino[m] | OvenWerks: Is it simply a question of some of these packages not being built on ARM? Or Are there actual limititations? | 04:42 |
| Eickmeyer[m] | OvenWerks: It can be a little off "plumb" sometimes, if you know what I mean. ;) | 04:43 |
| arraybolt3 | Also my Internet has decided to go into utter lazy mode, so everything's going slow :( | 04:43 |
| OvenWerks | I do not know on a package by package basis. I know ardour works, for example, but not what might be missing | 04:43 |
| Eickmeyer[m] | wingedrhino: That's correct. Not all packages in the Ubuntu repositories are built for arm simply because they're not compatible or not supported by the upstream developer. | 04:44 |
| Eickmeyer[m] | wingedrhino: For instance, the lsp-plugins package builds fine for arm64, but will not build for the 32-bit arm (armhf) so I had to disable it in the packaging: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lsp-plugins | 04:46 |
| wingedrhino[m] | Eickmeyer[m]: But aren't most people on arm64 now? | 04:46 |
| Eickmeyer[m] | wingedrhino: No, most people are on amd64. | 04:46 |
| wingedrhino[m] | Eickmeyer[m]: lol I meant within arm. | 04:47 |
| OvenWerks | there are still a wack of pi 2/3 and minis around | 04:47 |
| Eickmeyer[m] | wingedrhino: A better example is carla, which will completely fail to build from source on ARM: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/carla | 04:47 |
| wingedrhino[m] | OvenWerks: Yep. But I think the pragmatic approach would be to assume that anything before ARMv8 gets left behind. Remember these sort of discussions around ~2007 about some places dropping i386 compatibility. | 04:48 |
| OvenWerks | the mini is still current and the same as a pi2 | 04:49 |
| OvenWerks | and , as I said, you have to look for 64 bit images for the pi anyway. the pi4 comes with a 32bit image. | 04:49 |
| wingedrhino[m] | OvenWerks: But most desktop-class ARM devices - those with >=4GB of RAM - are 64bit ARMv8, aren't they? | 04:50 |
| wingedrhino[m] | OvenWerks: Nope, there is now a 64-bit Raspberry Pi OS. | 04:50 |
| OvenWerks | yes we did find one but it was not the "stock" image | 04:50 |
| Eickmeyer[m] | We're venturing into #ubuntustudio-offtopic / #ubuntu-studio-offtopic:matrix.org territory here. | 04:50 |
| Eickmeyer[m] | Although the bridge iscompletely broken there for reasons unknown. | 04:51 |
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