[03:42] <wingedrhino[m]> Do all the Ubuntu Studio tools work nicely on ARMv8 (Pi 4B)? Or have things been explicitly packaged for AMD64?
[04:30] <Eickmeyer[m]> wingedrhino: We only support amd64. There are Ubuntu packages for arm64, but Ubuntu Studio only has an am64 .iso image.
[04:30] <Eickmeyer[m]> s/am64/amd64/
[04:36] <Eickmeyer[m]> wingedrhino: That to say, you can go ahead and try, but I, for one, have no arm devices to test on, and I'm the project lead, so there's your answer.
[04:36] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer[m]: I think installer will run on arm (32bit or 64)
[04:37] <Eickmeyer[m]> OvenWerks: Oh, that's likely, but I think they're talking about individual tools, not just the installer.
[04:37] <Eickmeyer[m]> Wow, the bridge is being slow tonight.
[04:38] <OvenWerks> wingedrhino[m]: I think the thing is to start with a 64bit base install. My son's pi4 came with a 32bit system by default, we had to look for a 64 bit install.
[04:38] <Eickmeyer[m]> Ubuntu MATE can be installed on a pi.
[04:38] <wingedrhino[m]> Yep, so I can start w/ a standard Ubuntu Desktop image for the PI 4. I believe it is 64bit.
[04:40] <Eickmeyer[m]> Just 100% YMMV in this case.
[04:40] <wingedrhino[m]> Is the 22.10 Studio on Wayland + Pipewire?
[04:40] <OvenWerks> do be aware that it may be that not all Studio packages are available for ARM
[04:40] <OvenWerks> not PW
[04:40] <wingedrhino[m]> Eickmeyer[m]: lol yeah it's been a year of owning the Pi 4 and then not doing anything with it because of compatibility issues.
[04:40] <OvenWerks> Studio-controls will not work with PW
[04:40] <Eickmeyer[m]> wingedrhino: We weren't able to get pipewire implementation done in time for Feature Freeze, so sadly no. And no, wayland on KDE Plasma is still experimental.
[04:41] <OvenWerks> but PW can for a lot of people, replace studio controls
[04:41] <arraybolt3[m]> Eickmeyer: One of OvenWerks's messages didn't even come through the bridge for me. 🙃
[04:41] <Eickmeyer[m]> arraybolt3[m]: That's what I was referring to.
[04:42] <OvenWerks> must be one of those swinging cable bridges
[04:42] <wingedrhino[m]> OvenWerks: Is it simply a question of some of these packages not being built on ARM? Or Are there actual limititations?
[04:43] <Eickmeyer[m]> OvenWerks: It can be a little off "plumb" sometimes, if you know what I mean. ;)
[04:43] <arraybolt3> Also my Internet has decided to go into utter lazy mode, so everything's going slow :(
[04:43] <OvenWerks> I do not know on a package by package basis. I know ardour works, for example, but not what might be missing
[04:44] <Eickmeyer[m]> wingedrhino: That's correct. Not all packages in the Ubuntu repositories are built for arm simply because they're not compatible or not supported by the upstream developer.
[04:46] <Eickmeyer[m]> wingedrhino: For instance, the lsp-plugins package builds fine for arm64, but will not build for the 32-bit arm (armhf) so I had to disable it in the packaging: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lsp-plugins 
[04:46] <wingedrhino[m]> Eickmeyer[m]: But aren't most people on arm64 now?
[04:46] <Eickmeyer[m]> wingedrhino: No, most people are on amd64.
[04:47] <wingedrhino[m]> Eickmeyer[m]: lol I meant within arm.
[04:47] <OvenWerks> there are still a wack of pi 2/3 and minis around
[04:47] <Eickmeyer[m]> wingedrhino: A better example is carla, which will completely fail to build from source on ARM: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/carla
[04:48] <wingedrhino[m]> OvenWerks: Yep. But I think the pragmatic approach would be to assume that anything before ARMv8 gets left behind. Remember these sort of discussions around ~2007 about some places dropping i386 compatibility.
[04:49] <OvenWerks> the mini is still current and the same as a pi2
[04:49] <OvenWerks> and , as I said, you have to look for 64 bit images for the pi anyway. the pi4 comes with a 32bit image.
[04:50] <wingedrhino[m]> OvenWerks: But most desktop-class ARM devices - those with >=4GB of RAM - are 64bit ARMv8, aren't they?
[04:50] <wingedrhino[m]> OvenWerks: Nope, there is now a 64-bit Raspberry Pi OS.
[04:50] <OvenWerks> yes we did find one but it was not the "stock" image
[04:50] <Eickmeyer[m]> We're venturing into #ubuntustudio-offtopic / #ubuntu-studio-offtopic:matrix.org territory here.
[04:51] <Eickmeyer[m]> Although the bridge iscompletely broken there for reasons unknown.